Jyster:
YES you can..there IS a way.
Use a Weapon Cord.
Step 1: Drop weapon (free action)
Step 2: Draw Metamagic Rod (move action)
Step 3: Cast spell (standard action)
Step 4: Drop Metamagic Rod (free action)
Step 5: Retrieve weapon (swift action)
Step 6: Make attack (free action)
Now, the reason you do not discharge your spell the moment you retrieve the weapon is because the Spellstrike FAQ Here states that picking up a weapon does not discharge the spell like a normal touch spell would.
Note: a Glove of Storing would prevent you from having to drop the Metamagic Rod.
- Gauss
If you have a spell you want to use a lot like this then magic linage for it and still spell take out the need a hand to cast
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Gauss is correct.
In order to use Spellstrike, you must cast a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list. As long as you've done that, then you can deliver the spell through any weapon you are wielding as part of a melee attack.
In order to use a metamagic rod, you need to hold it while you cast the spell.
You don't have to be wielding the weapon at the time of casting, just at the time you make the attack to deliver the spell. You can use weapon cords, quickdraw, held charges, extra limbs, gloves of storing, etc.
If you have a spell you want to use a lot like this then magic linage for it and still spell take out the need a hand to cast
It's an interesting concept. Can a magus use still spell metamagic to eliminate the somatic component of the spell, and therefore use spell combat while wielding a weapon two-handed? I think this should work by RAI, not so sure about the RAW though.
Can a magus use still spell metamagic to eliminate the somatic component of the spell, and therefore use spell combat while wielding a weapon two-handed?
No.
Spell Combat (Ex): "To use this ability, the magus must have one hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand."
On a somewhat related note, even though they are not the best type of weapon for a magus to use, how would metamagic rods, spell strike, and cesti work together?
Since you can still use the hand your wearing a cestus on, could you have a metamagic rod in it, have the other hand free, cast your spell and then punch with the cestus using spell strike?
On a somewhat related note, even though they are not the best type of weapon for a magus to use, how would metamagic rods, spell strike, and cesti work together?
Since you can still use the hand your wearing a cestus on, could you have a metamagic rod in it, have the other hand free, cast your spell and then punch with the cestus using spell strike?
Yep. Just like a spiked gauntlet. You can do that with Spell Combat, too, since they're both light weapons, and your other hand is free.
If you use spell combat, can you cleave afterwards?
It depends on what you mean by afterwards. Cleave is a standard action, and Spell Combat is a full-round action. Under normal circumstances, you will need to wait until your next turn to use Cleave after Spell Combat.
If you mean Cleave during Spell Combat, no.
If you mean use Cleave with Spellstrike, sure.
Here's A Guide to Touch Spells, Spellstrike, and Spell Combat.
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why does ultimate combat have Arcana: Rod Wielder and Rod Mastery
Rod Wielder almost makes it sound like you can spellstrike with any rod... using the rod to hit someone. I know some rods count as light maces or whatnot. but metamagic rods don't, do they? are they improvised clubs?
Rod Mastery (Su): Whenever the magus uses a rod, he calculates the DC for any spell it contains using his Intelligence modifier (minimum 0) instead of the minimum modifier needed to cast a spell of that level.
Rod Wielder (Su): The magus adds his Intelligence bonus (minimum 0) on caster level checks made to overcome spell resistance when using a spell contained within a rod or when making a spellstrike attack channeled through a rod.
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why does ultimate combat have Arcana: Rod Wielder and Rod Mastery
Rod Wielder almost makes it sound like you can spellstrike with any rod... using the rod to hit someone. I know some rods count as light maces or whatnot. but metamagic rods don't, do they? are they improvised clubs?Rod Mastery (Su): Whenever the magus uses a rod, he calculates the DC for any spell it contains using his Intelligence modifier (minimum 0) instead of the minimum modifier needed to cast a spell of that level.
Rod Wielder (Su): The magus adds his Intelligence bonus (minimum 0) on caster level checks made to overcome spell resistance when using a spell contained within a rod or when making a spellstrike attack channeled through a rod.
Nope. There is nothing in the listing for either of those abilities that speaks about or interacts with spellstrike or spellcombat.
These arcana as written are designed to be used when you don't have a weapon in your hand.
Not everything about the Magus class revolves around hitting things with a weapon.
On a somewhat related note, even though they are not the best type of weapon for a magus to use, how would metamagic rods, spell strike, and cesti work together?
Since you can still use the hand your wearing a cestus on, could you have a metamagic rod in it, have the other hand free, cast your spell and then punch with the cestus using spell strike?
Not in one round. You can cast the spell in one round with the rod, then attack the next round using the cestus. The same is possible with unarmed strike, natural attacks, armor spikes and a few other weapons.
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1. you always have to have a weapon in your hand to attack as a magus, as its been said you can't enhance an unarmed strike via your arcane pool.
2. one of the arcanas specifically says when spell striking with the rod.
Rod Wielder (Su): The magus adds his Intelligence bonus (minimum 0) on caster level checks made to overcome spell resistance when using a spell contained within a rod or when making a spellstrike attack channeled through a rod.
a spellstrike channeled through a rod indicates that you've cast a spell via spell combat, and are now using spellstrike to hit someone with the rod to deal damage and discharge the held spell.
which indicates that its possible to spellstrike with a rod, and use the rod as the weapon.
its confusing because there's also Wand Wielder, which lets you do spell combat from a wand in one hand instead of a free hand, and a weapon in your main hand.
How about bashing someone with the rod?
right? that'd make it a weapon, an improvised club or something? or just a club?
i know some rods count as light maces, or even +1 or +2 light maces.
That section is a little odd. Some of them are light maces, but none of them are called out specifically as being clubs.
Its a three foot rod of metal. Considering you can get a club for free as a stick they should work as clubs.
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yeah, same damage, 1d6 for medium. same crit.
don't have a range increment for a thrown light mace,
and its light, aka a light weapon vs. a club's one handed weapon.
an immovable rod can support 8,000lbs of pressure, but doesn't say whether it can act as a club or mace.
it just says in the general rod physical description section:
(Many, as noted in their descriptions, can function as light maces or clubs due to their hardy construction.) These sturdy items have AC 9, 10 hit points, hardness 10, and a break DC of 27.
it'd make it a lot easier to metamagic a spell if you're spellstriking through the rod itself =P lol
which can be a con in allowing characters to do it. = P
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Rod states it has to be held not wielded(which the tail can't do). Done.
Not entirely true:
Activation: Details relating to rod use vary from item to item. Unless noted otherwise, you must be holding a rod to use its abilities. See the individual descriptions for specifics.
Metamagic rods specify that you have to wield them. For example:
The wielder can cast up to three spells per day that are empowered as though using the Empower Spell feat.
Pointing out retrieval via weapon cords has been errata.
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Except that for non-weapon/shields being "wielded" just means being held or worn.
They can't mean the same "wielded" as in the defending weapon usage, since they can't be used in the same round as an attack (magus being the exception, which wasn't there when they were first used, or swift action castings).
Wielded means different things for different item categories, so for the purpose of Metamagic Rods a Tiefling's Tail is sufficient.
Citation please.