Got the gf somewhat interested in Tian Xia cause she liked the description of Samsarans. She wants to play a lawful good rogue. So what kind of things would a lawful good rogue be doing? Only think I can think of is helping parties in dungeons and taking their fair share of the loot, they don't pickpocket from others to gain loot or break into houses unless its for some higher good, ect. BTW James Bond is NOT lawful good. Hes lawful neutral so don't mention him as an example of a lawful good rogue. Only LG rogue I know of was Van Richten in Ravenloft...
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Think about it as a constable, a counter-rogue even, things like that. Jack O'Neill of Stargate SG-1 probably had levels of rogue in him, even if he's only loosely lawful. Samuel Vimes definitely has levels of rogue in him and he is very lawful good once he manages to get back on his feet.
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Lawful good combines honor with compassion.
That is the Definition of LG.
She sounds like that she would be a truly experienced locksmith who decided to learn his life to adventuring. Finding and disabling traps would also in my mind be part of the locksmith lifestyle. They also could be great scouts for parties making sure that they do not loose there way or map makers. They might be someone who is using their skills to stop others from using the same skills for evil.
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Just act like Batman, he's a LG Rogue. ;-)
Except all those times where he's just a CN child taking out all of his issues on poor people.
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The Rogue stopped being the Thief all the way back in 3.0. The change of name was deliberate.
Somewhat bugs me that way too many people have never moved past the idea of the kleptorogue. The rogue is far more flexible than that.
Waaay back in the day, TSR had the Lankhamar setting which featured a Lawful Good god named Votishal. He was formerly a mortal thief who repented and began using his skills for the side of good and developed a cult of followers who stole from wealthy and evil organizations.
Sounds like James Bond, if you ask me.
Another spin: Imagine a faithful servant of the government (think spy, but without deception), someone who supports the government by joining and manipulating groups/organizations, helping to manage their activities and preventing them from undermining the government. Not killing them, as that isn't right, and not lying to them, as that's unnecessary. Just being really good at manipulation, swaying others, knowing the right information at the right time, things like that.
Take a look at some of the Rogue archetypes, too - that might spawn some additional ideas.
Rabit
Or Robin Hood?
Just change his combat tactics.
Our parties' (LG) rogue is the moral center of our group. Frankly, without him we're a dissolute bunch of scoundrels. He bills himself as an "information specialist" and bristles at the "rogue" or "thief" labels.
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She should wear a white hat.
Cool suggestions but some people obviously didn't read some of what I said. James Bond is NOT Lawful Good. He is lawful neutral. Robin Hood is Chaotic Good as is Batman.
LOL at the last comment. "HE" should wear a white hat? I DID say it was my gf. Yeah reading comprehension fail...:-(
Just act like Batman, he's a LG Rogue. ;-)
Uh no he's not. Batman is def Chaotic Good, in fact its been stated as such in 3.5 D&D. Bats is Chaotic Good.
Scott, where you find the official supplement with an alignment for Batman and James Bond? I can't even find PF stats for those guys. :P
Seriously though: A rogue is good at 1) a wide number of skills and 2) fighting using precise strikes rather than just bashing away at their enemy. Neither of those are mutually exclusive to a LG alignment. There's enough variation in the available skills and rogue talents to suit any character history you can dream up.
My first thought is a good-natured gearhead, maybe a dwarf. I don't see anything strange about being good and being mechanically inclined, and having good fine motor skills. You need a methodical, logical approach and organized mind for such things. Maybe you have developed some stealth as well as an adaptation to bullying (you don't like fighting much so you learned early to avoid being mistreated for being nerdy by slinking away or melting into shadows). Not every LG is a crusader, but you use your skills to help people whenever you can. Perhaps you help those unjustly imprisoned to escape by defeating shackles, cell locks, etc. when you can.
Actually, I had the gender right, then wrong, then right again.
So just a comprehension fail. Reading works just fine.
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Gorbacz wins. Everyone has fallen for it.
On topic, classes are not, strictly speaking, occupations. A rogue could be any handy invididual. Aspiring wizard, soldier in the army, local ahndy-person, whatever. They are just someone that prefers to use skill, guile, and a bit of sucker-punch and backstab to get things done and has specialized in those things.
When 3rd edition came out, I took the opportunity to play a LG rogue. The concept was that he was blacksmith and craftsman. He would use his knowledge of his craft to open locks and bypass traps.
I agree the concept of a detective or crime fighter would work too.
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Just act like Batman, he's a LG Rogue. ;-)Uh no he's not. Batman is def Chaotic Good, in fact its been stated as such in 3.5 D&D. Bats is Chaotic Good.
This is Batman's alignment.
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Back to the subject at hand, alignment is purposely left open to interpretation for the GM.
If your GM approves, the LG rogue may have a rigid code of honor and kindness and generally tries to appease or abide by local laws, but not when he feels "justice" is needed outside the power of local authority (either by apathy or having hands tied by restrictive legal loopholes, or both). At least, this is a concept I would allow at my table.
This is Batman's alignment.Just act like Batman, he's a LG Rogue. ;-)Uh no he's not. Batman is def Chaotic Good, in fact its been stated as such in 3.5 D&D. Bats is Chaotic Good.
LOL! Who else would kick a man for eating Ice Cream?
Scott, where you find the official supplement with an alignment for Batman and James Bond? I can't even find PF stats for those guys. :P
3.5 Adventurer's Guide I think? Its NOT Pathfinder dude, its 3.5 Dungeons and Dragons.
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Crusading lawyer. All lawyers are scoundrels, some of them are good scoundrels.
Crusading lawyer. All lawyers are scoundrels, some of them are good scoundrels.
"A lawyer is an educated gentleman who defends your estate so that he may keep it for himself." Not my quote, but to lazy to do even a google search atm.
3.5 Adventurer's Guide I think? Its NOT Pathfinder dude, its 3.5 Dungeons and Dragons.Scott, where you find the official supplement with an alignment for Batman and James Bond? I can't even find PF stats for those guys. :P
My point was that James Bond and Batman are both characters in dramatic works, which interacts horribly with the alignment system. The rogue class will give your girlfriend's character a certain skill set. Deciding how a person with said skills could have a lawful good alignment is half the fun of character creation, unless you hate the RP half of RPGs.
My example of a LG rogue would be Brother Cadfael but, once again, that's a series of books, not an RPG supplement.
Batman respects the rule of law even while fudging on how carefully he obeys it--that makes him NG.
A LG rogue, IMO, would be someone like The Mentalist, Patrick Jane, who outsmarts the bad guys with their own skillset. Sherlock Holmes, of course, is another classic example. A Rogue can be the smartest/fastest thinking/most observant person in the room, and thus the most dangerous.
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Cool suggestions but some people obviously didn't read some of what I said. James Bond is NOT Lawful Good. He is lawful neutral. Robin Hood is Chaotic Good as is Batman.
LOL at the last comment. "HE" should wear a white hat? I DID say it was my gf. Yeah reading comprehension fail...:-(
batman is chaotic neutral not CG. ask doomsday about when batman was willing to murder all the people on his planet to stop doomsday.
Or Robin Hood?
Just change his combat tactics.
Robin Hood is the poster boy for Chaotic Good. Living in the forest defying societal conventions and sleeping with the unmarried maid Marion.
James Bond? Connery and Craig LN-TN? Moore, and Brosnan NG?
James Bond as written by Ian Fleming, it's just a sad, sad story :P
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"Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. The detective must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor. He talks as the man of his age talks, that is, with rude wit, a lively sense of the grotesque, a disgust for sham, and a contempt for pettiness."
My example of a LG rogue would be Brother Cadfael but, once again, that's a series of books, not an RPG supplement.I have that entire book series, and the BBC show as well. Glad to see someone else who is aware of it.
Back when I was 8 years old or somehting
Hmm yeah I should have thought of Sherlock Holmes. I dont see her solving mysteries and such mostly cause I am unsure if I myself could come up with any.
My example of a LG rogue would be Brother Cadfael but, once again, that's a series of books, not an RPG supplement.I have that entire book series, and the BBC show as well. Glad to see someone else who is aware of it.
Haven't read the books, but loved Derek Jacoby
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Holmes is almost a perfect, odd, uncommon Lawful Good. I could see an argument for LN, but in the end he's too much inclined to work for the good guys. Certainly a healthy dose of Rogue in there, as well.
For a more period take on the same, consider the old occupation of "thief-taker." Not unlike bounty hunters, these fellows often worked freelance (like Holmes) for nobles or politicians or who-have-you, either tracking and recovering criminals, or else simply the goods they've stolen. Nice hook for a character, though - that one job that just got way out of hand, sort of thing.
Batman? Batman is whatever alignment you want him to be.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/strangething/batman-alignment-chart. jpg
Hmm yeah I should have thought of Sherlock Holmes. I dont see her solving mysteries and such mostly cause I am unsure if I myself could come up with any.
Play Holmes as Robert Downey Junior does in the movies--uses observation and deduction to aid in strategic fighting.
Holmes is almost a perfect, odd, uncommon Lawful Good. I could see an argument for LN, but in the end he's too much inclined to work for the good guys. Certainly a healthy dose of Rogue in there, as well.
For a more period take on the same, consider the old occupation of "thief-taker." Not unlike bounty hunters, these fellows often worked freelance (like Holmes) for nobles or politicians or who-have-you, either tracking and recovering criminals, or else simply the goods they've stolen. Nice hook for a character, though - that one job that just got way out of hand, sort of thing.
Holmes also has a habit of working cases for free if he thinks it's the right thing to do, especially if it's a tough case, and if he thinks taking money for it would tarnish his reputation in any way.
Like the first RDJ Sherlock Holmes movie, the noble guy that more or less kidnaps Holmes, did so to offer him a job, and a handsome reward. Holmes took the job, but dismissed the reward.
The Rogue stopped being the Thief all the way back in 3.0. The change of name was deliberate.
Somewhat bugs me that way too many people have never moved past the idea of the kleptorogue. The rogue is far more flexible than that.
Mmm mm, yep. In fact, I recently made and ran a rogue based on the old thief type. Something odd happened, he was meant to be more thief with less of a combat focus, but the rogue abilities, quests and prevalence of combat drove him to become a melee rogue. There was one battle where he was cutting up agitated peasantry in the middle of the day, like a fighter. Ah well, attempt failed.
Holmes is almost a perfect, odd, uncommon Lawful Good. I could see an argument for LN, but in the end he's too much inclined to work for the good guys. Certainly a healthy dose of Rogue in there, as well.
For a more period take on the same, consider the old occupation of "thief-taker." Not unlike bounty hunters, these fellows often worked freelance (like Holmes) for nobles or politicians or who-have-you, either tracking and recovering criminals, or else simply the goods they've stolen. Nice hook for a character, though - that one job that just got way out of hand, sort of thing.
Yes, a Lg rogue thief-hunter, or a samurai policeman with a sasumata
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasumata