Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds
|
I think you're selling yourself, and your store, short.
Your store simply needs to be sold the idea. If they're going to move a bunch of PFRPG books as a result of this venture, and the minis, dice, dice bags, map packs, flip mats, wet erase pens, modules, etc. that goes with it, selling them on it shouldn't be too hard. You can even charge the tiny fee of $2 per seat and give that to the store in exchange for the space. If it's scheduled far enough in advance, they can move other games and events to make room for something like this. Trust me, they already do it every three months for Magic events.
You and your friend can definitely handle it; you just need one more guy to help out, and I think you'd be able to dangle a fuzzy little boon in front of his nose to get him to commit. Don't you?
Yeah, it's not easy, but that's why you're getting rewarded for it, isn't it?
|
Its not an option that's possible for everyone. The same people that can't get to cons because they're too far away/don't have the money/don't have weekends off probably also can't set up their own con because there aren't enough pathfinder/pathfinder curious gamers within easy driving distance even IF there is a gaming store.
You live in the middle of a city. Population dynamics are much MUCH different in the burbs and boondocks. The problem this alternative has is that it largely excludes the folks that are already excluded and doubles down on the ones that are already included.
|
Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds
|
Agreed.
I was simply giving you (specifically) ideas. I wasn't after everyone.
That said, I'll fall back on my "multiple locations" comment. If there are 10 guys in rural South Dakota who are willing to make a go at circulating to each others' houses to put together multiple tables for a storyline-like event over the course of a week, then they can come up with a creative way of making 15 tables part of the same sanctioning number. They will thus be able to work with Mike and get goodies there, as well.
All I'm saying is work with them. Throw your ideas at the Paizo wall and see what sticks. I think you might be surprised. I was.
[Edit] The "you" in that last paragraph is a collective "you" this time, not just BigNorseWolf.
Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau
|
I, for one, like the idea of "unlockable" races being allowed by successfully meeting a goal within a scenario.
For example:
Let's say there is a scenario that deals extensively with the Tengu race, immersing the players in their culture through out the mission. If the party was able to defeat two encounters through Diplomacy (or insert Skill check here) rather than combat, they are now allowed to play a Tengu character (GM checks box here) as long as they bring a copy of the Bestiary or the Dragon Empires Primer (or ARG, for that matter!) for reference.
Still self limiting (not everyone will be successful), still requires the source material to be purchased, and gives to the players without having to attend a convention. Best of all, the Campaign Management does not have to green light any race they don't want to include for this type of Chronicle, allowing them complete oversight into what gets added.
There is my creative solution. Better?
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I, for one, like the idea of "unlockable" races being allowed by successfully meeting a goal within a scenario.
For example:
Let's say there is a scenario that deals extensively with the Tengu race, immersing the players in their culture through out the mission. If the party was able to defeat two encounters through Diplomacy (or insert Skill check here) rather than combat, they are now allowed to play a Tengu character (GM checks box here) as long as they bring a copy of the Bestiary or the Dragon Empires Primer (or ARG, for that matter!) for reference.Still self limiting (not everyone will be successful), still requires the source material to be purchased, and gives to the players without having to attend a convention. Best of all, the Campaign Management does not have to green light any race they don't want to include for this type of Chronicle, allowing them complete oversight into what gets added.
There is my creative solution. Better?
I see a huge problem with such a concept. Players already carp if they don't get a PA in a scenario. How much worse will the wailing and nerdrage be if they miss their one chance to earn a boon? The scenario would end up being run by people's friends, who softball the game, and they get their race without hitting the benchmark. That is worse than opening it up, as it penalizes honest players.
|
I see a huge problem with such a concept. Players already carp if they don't get a PA in a scenario. How much worse will the wailing and nerdrage be if they miss their one chance to earn a boon? The scenario would end up being run by people's friends, who softball the game, and they get their race without hitting the benchmark. That is worse than opening it up, as it penalizes honest players.
And this is why I had suggested the potential for races being unlocked by getting a character up above a certain level. I'd suggested 8, since that means you actually have to play the game for a while before getting your special race character, but it also means it's literally achievable by everyone. Unless, of course, you're incapable of keeping your character alive (or unable to rez them if they die) long enough to hit that mark.
By making it unlockable by playing it means people don't have to GM, go to a con, have multiple tables in middle-of-nowhere locations, etc. I know people that aren't comfortable GMing or going to cons or whatever, but they like to play. This means they could get their special race character.
I know MMO's keep being used as examples, and once again I'll point to WoW. Back when I still played, there was the "Hero" class of Death Knight and you only got one (per server). You had to reach level 55 to unlock it, so you actually had to play the game before you got your special little snowflake (And "Special little snowflake" is definitely a way to describe the vast majority of DKs...).
I, personally, am against opening all races to everyone just 'cause, because of the cannon of Golarion. Kitsune, Tengu, heck, even Tieflings, aren't a predominant race in any of the areas that PFS deals with. By saying you're discriminating against the players that want to play those characters, you're telling Paizo to change their cannon setting just so you can play what you want. You wanna do that, get into a home game. By making them unlockable, or by boon only, it means they can maintain their setting and make these races available to people that earn them, whether it be through play, sacrifices to go to a con, GMing, whatever.
|
|
Stuff.This. This right here. I realize a lot of people want to play special races, etc, but how much more enjoyable would it be if you were able to get it for doing something other than just rolling up a character?
If race boons are so important, see about getting more events done. Big events draw in new players and make something cool for veteran players to do that's outside the usual PFS weekend.
Events like the BBB, YotSL, etc are great and they don't cost the players anything to play/attend aside from getting to the location.
*Beginner Box Bash, Year of the Shadow Lodge
Can the Beginner Box Bash still be run, though? I thought it was a one-time thing. (I'd just look it up, but its page on the site seems to be blank.)
|
|
Last I heard from the Venture-folks in my area, the BBB can still be run as an event, you just have to get it set up. I think I'd heard talk of running it again in my area in several months, as it's a fabulous way to attract new players to the game.
EDIT: I mean, I got my GM boon for running it in March...
|
|
I am and old-school grognard-aged player.
I'm not a fan of unlimited player races in PFS.
I have no intolerance toward players who want to play anthropomorphic animals.
I have played catfolk characters. I have played a briaraur. I have played a number of non-HEDGEhogs. All of them have been appropriate within the campaign, as the campaign was presented at the time that I bought into playing in that campaign. I'm fine playing in non-human centric campaigns and enjoy the opportunity to play unusual characters in that situation.
What I don't care for is campaigns that cannot maintain a consistent presentation of what the gameworld is like. The inclusion of new material is a necessary part of the marketing role played by organized play; permitting new material into organized play campaigns stimulates the purchase of the books in which new material appears. For me, it's a necessary evil, not because I don't like new material, but because of the lack of consistency that results.
I'm not booked up on Golarion. But, I understand it to be human-focused. I don't read all of the books on geographical areas and the like, but I'm not aware of an established canon regarding the distribution within Golarion of the majority of the new races that are presented in the new races book. This may be my ignorance.
This idea of maintaining a consistency of the gameworld is what I understand to be the hallmark of curmudgeonly grognards waving their canes and yelling, "Hey kobold, get off my lawn!"
Uhm, I don't have a dog in this hunt.
But from recent stuff in the campaign setting line, Tengu's may get opened up just because there is suddenly a population of them to draw from in the Inner Sea. That's the way to do it I'd think. It let's the Golarionphiles feel immersed while offering an option to the Anthropomorhic fans.
But letting everyone just play drow nobles is not only silly it will break the game balance.
I have a question though for the OP or Jewelfox or any other furrie fan.
Why is it important for you to do it in PFS play?
If you are not a Convention goer, and not a home player and PFS is the only way you can RP then the issue seems not about racial availability but co-player availability.
|
|
I see a huge problem with such a concept. Players already carp if they don't get a PA in a scenario. How much worse will the wailing and nerdrage be if they miss their one chance to earn a boon? The scenario would end up being run by people's friends, who softball the game, and they get their race without hitting the benchmark. That is worse than opening it up, as it penalizes honest players.And this is why I had suggested the potential for races being unlocked by getting a character up above a certain level. I'd suggested 8, since that means you actually have to play the game for a while before getting your special race character, but it also means it's literally achievable by everyone. Unless, of course, you're incapable of keeping your character alive (or unable to rez them if they die) long enough to hit that mark.
By making it unlockable by playing it means people don't have to GM, go to a con, have multiple tables in middle-of-nowhere locations, etc. I know people that aren't comfortable GMing or going to cons or whatever, but they like to play. This means they could get their special race character.
I know MMO's keep being used as examples, and once again I'll point to WoW. Back when I still played, there was the "Hero" class of Death Knight and you only got one (per server). You had to reach level 55 to unlock it, so you actually had to play the game before you got your special little snowflake (And "Special little snowflake" is definitely a way to describe the vast majority of DKs...).
I, personally, am against opening all races to everyone just 'cause, because of the cannon of Golarion. Kitsune, Tengu, heck, even Tieflings, aren't a predominant race in any of the areas that PFS deals with. By saying you're discriminating against the players that want to play those characters, you're telling Paizo to change their cannon setting just so you can play what you want. You wanna do that, get into a home game. By making them...
I like this approach, generally speaking. I think the target level to unlock the special boons should be lower, like maybe level 5 instead of 8, but I think this approach sounds like a good one. The other benefit of making it level based instead of tied to playing a particular adventure is that it doesn't matter if you reach that level by playing or GMing, so it rewards dedicated GMs as much as people who never GM.
|
|
I like this approach, generally speaking. I think the target level to unlock the special boons should be lower, like maybe level 5 instead of 8, but I think this approach sounds like a good one. The other benefit of making it level based instead of tied to playing a particular adventure is that it doesn't matter if you reach that level by playing or GMing, so it rewards dedicated GMs as much as people who never GM.Stuff.Holy carp I'm long-winded.
I'd be perfectly amenable to it being level 5, 8 was just an arbitrary point I'd picked due to it being 2/3rds toward retirement level.
My big thing in this approach, is that getting to level 5 would "unlock" one special race boon. Preferably of the player's choice.
The reason I say one, is that it lets the player have their special race character without flooding the areas of Golarion that don't currently play host to those races in any great quantity.
EDIT: It also still gives folks incentive to GM events and attend cons because it could mean getting more race boons to use. That way they're still special, and other people still get the opportunity to make their awesome special race character that they really wanna play.
RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 8
|
To WalterGM:
If you don't like something about pfS how else are you supposed to make that known except by pointing it out?
...
How do you advocate change without pointing out the problems with the current system? +
You say "this is a problem, here are some solutions I'd propose" not "here is the problem, it sucks and I'm leaving."
I'm sorry if I was unclear earlier.
|
|
To WalterGM:
If you don't like something about pfS how else are you supposed to make that known except by pointing it out?
...
How do you advocate change without pointing out the problems with the current system? +You say "this is a problem, here are some solutions I'd propose" not "here is the problem, it sucks and I'm leaving."
I'm sorry if I was unclear earlier.
What solutions can someone offer when they think there's no problem to be fixed? thats their entire point : there is no problem.
|
|
What solutions can someone offer when they think there's no problem to be fixed? thats their entire point : there is no problem.To WalterGM:
If you don't like something about pfS how else are you supposed to make that known except by pointing it out?
...
How do you advocate change without pointing out the problems with the current system? +You say "this is a problem, here are some solutions I'd propose" not "here is the problem, it sucks and I'm leaving."
I'm sorry if I was unclear earlier.
Obviously there is a problem if it's causing this much of a stir. However, those complaining about such problems need to be willing to compromise if they expect those that disagree with them to do the same.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
Wow. Pretty heated opinions. Just wanted to start off by saying Mike Brock has already improved the game, and still is improving the game for us. It's not an easy job, but he's damn good at it.
Secondly, the money commit doesn't hold up. I side withTodd on this about personal sacrifice. Ive spent many weekends working and not going out with friends, or buying this item or that, to save to attend a con. It was personal sacrifice to work late evenings or put in extra hours, but I did it for a chance to attend a con.
|
Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds
|
or hell even buy them off the website .... Id be willing to bet ppl would pay $10-20 to make a Non standard race characterToo deep a rabbit hole. No thanks.
Agreed.
Sadly, it's already being done. You can find them for sale on eBay.
By the way: I like the idea Michael VonHasseln proposed of unlocking boons via module play, as well. A series of three modules set in Cheliax could unlock a Tiefling boon; a series of modules set in Minkai could unlock Kitsune. Things like that.
|
Last I heard from the Venture-folks in my area, the BBB can still be run as an event, you just have to get it set up. I think I'd heard talk of running it again in my area in several months, as it's a fabulous way to attract new players to the game.
EDIT: I mean, I got my GM boon for running it in March...
Sorry, the BBB is over, and you can no longer get boons for running it.
|
|
or hell even buy them off the website .... Id be willing to bet ppl would pay $10-20 to make a Non standard race characterToo deep a rabbit hole. No thanks.
Maybe so ... but for the area Im in ... due to various reasons ... the rabit hole is likely the only way to the light at the end of the tunnel
Regional Venture-Coordinator, Gulf
|
So there is a personal sacrifice to (attending cons).Which a lot of people aren't able to make, due to disability or finances or other reasons which no one seems to be acknowledging.
I hear this a lot and I resist the urge to post on it but there are some serious misconceptions.
I run mostly conventions, a few game days, but the majority of my public game organizing is convention settings.
No person has ever been turned away from an event I run due to disability, not even once.
We move tables for a guy in a wheelchair. Another attendee is blind, he can't see but he plays D&D. He needs help reading papers or dice but he gets accomidations.
Cons can be attended for free. You can work any con I run in Florida, and in exchange I give you a badge. You would be running intro modules, handing out flyers or even answering questions. A good time working/DMing/helping and you get the free badge. I often bring PB&J to share, or there are often spare pizzas.
Even at that some events at the day tripper price are $10-$15, which is about what you spend at a movie house to see a crappy movie. Day tripping means no hotel, but I guess you can complain about gas prices to drive yourself there.
But there is a way to push for your viewpoint so that it doesnt create a flame war on these boards.Yes, it's called "pretending there isn't a problem with acceptance of people who are different from others."
This is not true. We have people at every event who are from all walks of life. I have people who cross all lines at conventions. I don't tolerate people picking and choosing based on unfair perceptions. Nobody cares as long as you don't scare the horses.
What I don't tolerate is things that stop the table and infringe on others. Examples are Mr Creeper with the camera who stops a table because he wants cute gamer girl to stand up for pics, or a guy who stops play because his bud wants him to buy a sword.
I would say in fairness that nobody is going to like people role playing out sexually at a table, or being inappropriate at a table with kids on it. That is easily fixed by selecting adult tables if you have to drop F-bombs.
That is nothing to do with what tickles your funny bone. Making the claim that people treat you differently at a con because you like fur is false.
|
RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
|
Wait a second, you made me pay to attend your con and charged me double the rate! Plus you wouldn't let me use the bathrooms because I only have one eye.
Fun fact: Refusal to let someone use the bathroom equals an invitation to let them use the floor.
|
|
If you want to control the number of non-standard race characters...
do it with character numbers.You get one "special", non-boon race character.
It's number is XXXXX-99. (Where XXXXX is your player number).
He dies, or retires or passes the star-stone test you're back to using Boons (maybe you have several at that point).
I really like the idea of a special '99' character. The only fly in the ointment is that the site would need additional coding to assign that number to one of your aliases, rather than a sequential number, and from what M&M have said previously, site coder time is at a premium.
You'd also get people cheating the system using multiple PFS player numbers.
|
RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 8
|
What solutions can someone offer when they think there's no problem to be fixed? thats their entire point : there is no problem.To WalterGM:
If you don't like something about pfS how else are you supposed to make that known except by pointing it out?
...
How do you advocate change without pointing out the problems with the current system? +You say "this is a problem, here are some solutions I'd propose" not "here is the problem, it sucks and I'm leaving."
I'm sorry if I was unclear earlier.
... then why did the OP start this thread? What are we talking about here anymore?
I'm bored. New topic... ORANGUTANS!
Discuss.
|
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I'm not one for having a ton of non-standard races dancing around PFS, but opening them up a bit more, I'd say that would be OK.
For instance, combining some of the ideas so far, here's a rough idea-plan, with all of this (I guess) needing to be verified through the Paizo scenario/character tracker so it would be 'legit':
- A Character hits 7th level, the player receives a boon that allows one character to switch traits out (this can happen every time a player hits 7th with a character)
- A Player has their first character hit 12th level or a GM gets 1 or 2 stars - gets choice of racial boon from the Featured Races (current chronicle options) list
- A Player has their second character hit 12th level or a GM gets 3 or 4 stars - gets choice of racial boon from any of the Featured Races
- A Player has their third character hit 12th level or a GM gets 5 stars - gets choice of racial boon from the Featured or Uncommon Races) list
This would be a set of direct reward-relation tiers that reward both playing and/or GMing consistently, i.e. supporting PFS. It would also gradually open up PFS to new races, but not too quickly, and encourage people to use the online tracking even more.
One caveat...in another year or two, this would probably need to be revisited as more and more people hit 12...but for now, I think it would work nicely.
|
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
Jewelfox,
I dont understand how you link the campaign leadership not wanting to open additional races up to the general populace completely and that meaning that Paizo doesnt want people who have different interests playing their game. I'm sure Paizo wants all the furries, goths, anime fans, and any other intereste group you can think of to play PFS, assuming they behave themselves appropriately (which isnt to say they are any more likely than anyone else to do so).
The problem most of the races in the ARG have, as far as being allowed for PFS is that they are significantly more powerful the core races. Many (if not most) of those races that appeared first in DnD had a level adjustment, and for good reason. As such, many (if not most) are not suited for play in PFS because they could unbalance the system. If scenarios have to be written assuming that all of those races are legal for play, encounters will become much more difficult as a default, which could (and probably would) result in a large increase in the deaths of core race characters in the new seasons.
If you want to play all these different races, why not try a home game. Paizo has nearly a dozen adventure paths now, and many of them are very good. I could suggest a few to you (or Im sure multiple other posters could offer helpful info as well) if that is something that might be more up your alley.
Lastly, I want to quote you:
And you can't argue that the current system results in a lot of players not being able to play characters they identify with...
Now, in all seriousness, and with all due respect to anyone who is 'strange' (again the goths, furries, anime fans, etc), please explain to me how anyone at all, whether they fall into one of these types of groups or not, can 'identify with' any race other than human at all in Pathfinder?
|
Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau
|
I see a huge problem with such a concept. Players already carp if they don't get a PA in a scenario. How much worse will the wailing and nerdrage be if they miss their one chance to earn a boon? The scenario would end up being run by people's friends, who softball the game, and they get their race without hitting the benchmark. That is worse than opening it up, as it penalizes honest players.
Your point is a valid one. Would it be better if it was released as a limited run scenario, like the Exclusive or B Box Bash was? One has a limitation of only being able to be run be 4-star or VOs; the other has a limited shelf life. Would that make it easier?
Also, keep in mind, some people simply don't have a desire to play one of those off (HEDGEHog) races... I have three Race Boons from running/organizing large events and have yet to make a character with them. Looks like waiting has worked out for me... now I can use the ARG to get them started.
|
Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau
|
By the way: I like the idea Michael VonHasseln proposed of unlocking boons via module play, as well. A series of three modules set in Cheliax could unlock a Tiefling boon; a series of modules set in Minkai could unlock Kitsune. Things like that.
Thanks for the +1! Coming from you, that means a lot.
A series would be even better, with goals that have to be achieved along the way, even if multiple chances are given over the series. I am not usually a fan of scenario series, but for this it would seem to fit.
|
Venture-Captain, Missouri—Cape Girardeau
|
I'm not one for having a ton of non-standard races dancing around PFS, but opening them up a bit more, I'd say that would be OK.
For instance, combining some of the ideas so far, here's a rough idea-plan, with all of this (I guess) needing to be verified through the Paizo scenario/character tracker so it would be 'legit':
- A Character hits 7th level, the player receives a boon that allows one character to switch traits out (this can happen every time a player hits 7th with a character)
- A Player has their first character hit 12th level or a GM gets 1 or 2 stars - gets choice of racial boon from the Featured Races (current chronicle options) list
- A Player has their second character hit 12th level or a GM gets 3 or 4 stars - gets choice of racial boon from any of the Featured Races
- A Player has their third character hit 12th level or a GM gets 5 stars - gets choice of racial boon from the Featured or Uncommon Races) list
This would be a set of direct reward-relation tiers that reward both playing and/or GMing consistently, i.e. supporting PFS. It would also gradually open up PFS to new races, but not too quickly, and encourage people to use the online tracking even more.
One caveat...in another year or two, this would probably need to be revisited as more and more people hit 12...but for now, I think it would work nicely.
I like this idea too!
Support for the GM Star program that costs the company nothing, using something already in use.
Please, keep positive ideas coming, rather than bog this down with negative responses. It is easy to just say no... harder to come up with solutions that compromise toward a yes.
|
RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
|
And you can't argue that the current system results in a lot of players not being able to play characters they identify with...Now, in all seriousness, and with all due respect to anyone who is 'strange' (again the goths, furries, anime fans, etc), please explain to me how anyone at all, whether they fall into one of these types of groups or not, can 'identify with' any race other than human at all in Pathfinder?
I took it to mean that a furry player identifies more with an anthropomorphic PC than with a human one.
|
|
I agree with Michael VonHasseln idea too, +1 to it. I think some races should be opened up with playing really tough mods or a series of scenarios.
Or you could buy a race boon through PP (Maybe like 40) call it like "Adoption" that while your character was in a foreign land he adopted a child and raised him to become a pathfinder.
So you make the cheesiest build possible just to blast through everything to get complete the modules you need to get catfolk or whatever.
That won't have any repercussions.
|
RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 8
|
I took it to mean that a furry player identifies more with an anthropomorphic PC than with a human one.And you can't argue that the current system results in a lot of players not being able to play characters they identify with...Now, in all seriousness, and with all due respect to anyone who is 'strange' (again the goths, furries, anime fans, etc), please explain to me how anyone at all, whether they fall into one of these types of groups or not, can 'identify with' any race other than human at all in Pathfinder?
Proposed Solution: Be a druid!!
I know this might sound like a stupid suggestion... But if the alternate racial trait that allows humans to get a +2 to a second stat in exchange for the skilled & feat. This might discourage the optimisers (not said derogatively), from choosing a race just for the second +2 stat.
Which might have been the cause of extra ARG type races in other living campaigns. This would also be to RP'ers advantages as sometimes people can choose races just because they see that they are most suitable for a class.
|
|
I took it to mean that a furry player identifies more with an anthropomorphic PC than with a human one.And you can't argue that the current system results in a lot of players not being able to play characters they identify with...Now, in all seriousness, and with all due respect to anyone who is 'strange' (again the goths, furries, anime fans, etc), please explain to me how anyone at all, whether they fall into one of these types of groups or not, can 'identify with' any race other than human at all in Pathfinder?
That's what I was assuming he meant as well. My point is no matter how much you may want to be a cat-person or fox-person, you arent. You never will be. So how exactly are you identifying with a fictional character that is one of those?
That would be like pasty-white me saying I know what it's like to be a black man. I'm not, so how could I identify with it?
Edit: Before anyone even tries making it into a fuax arguement, I am not comparing Afreican-Americans to fox-people, lol.
|
|
I took it to mean that a furry player identifies more with an anthropomorphic PC than with a human one.And you can't argue that the current system results in a lot of players not being able to play characters they identify with...Now, in all seriousness, and with all due respect to anyone who is 'strange' (again the goths, furries, anime fans, etc), please explain to me how anyone at all, whether they fall into one of these types of groups or not, can 'identify with' any race other than human at all in Pathfinder?
Me too, in all seriousness. Thumbs up to Jiggy for putting it plainly. While I feel for Jewelfox's position, I would still like to see a measured approach to allowing new races from ARG in PFS.
|
|
That would be like pasty-white me saying I know what it's like to be a black man. I'm not, so how could I identify with it?
We are more than our bodies.
EDIT - Going to elaborate... I knew a player once in my youth who had gender identification issues. RPGs were a chance for that player to play a character they felt they could identify with- and it was part of their source of enjoyment of the game. If I hadn't known this person, maybe I would think the way you do.
|
Owner - Enchanted Grounds, President/Owner - Enchanted Grounds
|
Or you could buy a race boon through PP (Maybe like 40) call it like "Adoption" that while your character was in a foreign land he adopted a child and raised him to become a pathfinder.
Another cool option!
Once again, it rewards playing in the campaign consistently, and lends an interesting background concept. Could also be a foreign trade contact, long lost kin, evil step-brother, etc.
What I don't care for is campaigns that cannot maintain a consistent presentation of what the gameworld is like.
+1
The introduction of gunslingers really knocked my passion for the game, but now they've allowed those they might as well open up all the races - weird races bother me far less than firearms. The only proviso I'd add to that is if some of the new races are over-powered, which is different.
For those complaining about groups of catfolk wandering around, it's really no different to groups of Tien wandering around in terms of percentages.
|
RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
|
I took it to mean that a furry player identifies more with an anthropomorphic PC than with a human one.And you can't argue that the current system results in a lot of players not being able to play characters they identify with...Now, in all seriousness, and with all due respect to anyone who is 'strange' (again the goths, furries, anime fans, etc), please explain to me how anyone at all, whether they fall into one of these types of groups or not, can 'identify with' any race other than human at all in Pathfinder?
That's what I was assuming he meant as well. My point is no matter how much you may want to be a cat-person or fox-person, you arent. You never will be. So how exactly are you identifying with a fictional character that is one of those?
That would be like pasty-white me saying I know what it's like to be a black man. I'm not, so how could I identify with it?
Or like a man saying he identifies as being female despite his male body?
|
|
I know this might sound like a stupid suggestion... But if the alternate racial trait that allows humans to get a +2 to a second stat in exchange for the skilled & feat. This might discourage the optimisers (not said derogatively), from choosing a race just for the second +2 stat.
Which might have been the cause of extra ARG type races in other living campaigns. This would also be to RP'ers advantages as sometimes people can choose races just because they see that they are most suitable for a class.
I personally don't find the trait attractive at all, it is much more difficult to get a feat and extra skill points then it is the get extra stat points. espeically in PFS where skills are very important.
|
|
That would be like pasty-white me saying I know what it's like to be a black man. I'm not, so how could I identify with it?We are more than our bodies.
I understand that. I'm not going to continue this example, cause in all honesty, I dont know if I can get across the point Im trying to make with it without offending someone.
Yes, we are more than our bodies. So what part of you, exactly, knows what it is like to be a fox-person?
|
|
I took it to mean that a furry player identifies more with an anthropomorphic PC than with a human one.And you can't argue that the current system results in a lot of players not being able to play characters they identify with...Now, in all seriousness, and with all due respect to anyone who is 'strange' (again the goths, furries, anime fans, etc), please explain to me how anyone at all, whether they fall into one of these types of groups or not, can 'identify with' any race other than human at all in Pathfinder?
When I first started playing D&D back in *cough*I'm too old*cough*, I was 10 years old and short for my age. I identified with halflings.
To this day, I still play more short characters than most people I know. I have 7 PFS characters, and they're all either human, halfling, or gnome, though I keep thinking I should do an elf or half-elf some day, just for variety. And tengu look cool visually, so I think it'd be cool to get one of those boons, though I don't know enough about the race to have any idea how they play.
|
|
Or like a man saying he identifies as being female despite his male body?
That is something I hadnt taken into account in all honesty, but I dont think it invalidates my point. A person who feels like they are trapped in the wrong gender's body has experience being around members of the gender they think (or know) they were supposed to be. How? Cause both male and female people exist.
Unfortunatey (fortunately?) fox-people do not exist. It's not the same thing.