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Just as the thread title says.
I think such a book would be very useful in how these creatures exist in Golarion. Who uses them? For what. The thing is I can see easily how the fantastic fit in....these creatures though are not as easy to envision living alongside morden humen cultures and nations.
Besides most gamers heck most people loved these creatures when they were younger(I know I did) so actualy seeing a 96 page book devoted to them would probably sell very well.
Anybody got in thoughts on this? Like to throw in their support? Dinosaurs D&D have always been just there....sorta like a add on....I think it would be great if Pazio finally gaved them a home.
I would purchase this product. Probably a couple of times; I know several people such a book would make a great gift for.
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combine with primative weapons and words of power rules, and suddenly you've got a prehistoric campaign with a group of stone-age heros battling it out with mammoths and the like... i'm begining to warm to the idea.
i'd buy it, i made a druid who had a stegosaur animal companion and wildshaped into dinosaurs. i would love a book that would better allow me to use them as a dm
Could even throw in a few dire animals. Because some people might not like all dinosaurs all the time.
Could even throw in a few dire animals. Because some people might not like all dinosaurs all the time.
That is why I am saying prehistoric which would inclyde things like sabfre tooth tigers, masterdons, etc.
Oh yeah. I could definitely get behind this.
And I'm with sanwah68 ... tiny/small creatures, even swarms, would be cool.
And rules for herds. A herd of any dinosaur should be a terrifying thing.
combine with primative weapons and words of power rules, and suddenly you've got a prehistoric campaign with a group of stone-age heros battling it out with mammoths and the like... i'm begining to warm to the idea.
Okay, I rather like this.
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They ground begins to shake, and the sound of thunder grows until it's almost deafening. Suddenly, from across the field, a heard of mixed plant-eating dinosaurs burst out of the forest! Roll Initiative.
I agree, that would scary as hell.
Extremely low CR critters that think some items look like eggs and steal them from adventurers would be fun/annoying little buggers.
My 2 year old is often asking to flip through the Bestiary with Papa. He loves dinosaurs and prehistoric beasts (Thank you, BBC's Walking with Dinosaurs and Walking with Prehistoric Beasts!).
I would really enjoy being able to flip through a Prehistoric Monsters book with him. Oh, and I could also use them in the game.
So, yeah. I would buy this if it was made.
Yes please....especially if it also includes some of the small, or tiny creatures
I have often thought to myself, "you know what my Pathfinder game needs is some multituberculates."
I wonder who would write the part about T-Rex *wink-wink*
I seriously thing this would be good as well and make an awesome book.
Does anybody have any reasons it would be a bad book?
The only problem with prehistoric animals is that they are not intelligent. This kind of limits the material one can actually write up on it.
Does anybody have any reasons it would be a bad book?
"Prehistoric Adventures" would not be a bad book. I would buy it. "Prehistoric Monsters Revisited" would be... confusing. The whole point of the Revisited line has been to infuse new, interesting ideas into monsters (and items) that were played out and boring, iconic but underutilized, or just plain weird. They were given extra backstory, personality, and variations to make them unique and memorable. I'm not sure how this sort of treatment would work on a dozen different INT 2 animals.
@MerrickCale, Gorbacz, and Mort the Cleverly Named:
I think these creatures are kinda played out and boring. As I said in my OP they have always been there like a add on. A book explaining there role in Golarion would be very interesting.
The fact that they are Int 2 is not very important....personaly I love reading real life nature books about 'dumb' animals. So reading a similair treatment on creatures that are extinct in our world transported to a fantasy world would be very interesting reading...and useful for games.
what might be interesting is a book on the flora and fauna of golarion and the various ecosystems. prehistoric animals would fit therein
Sounds like what people are asking for is a gazetteer on the Realms of the Mammoth Lords.
Yes please....especially if it also includes some of the small, or tiny creatures
Swarms Revisited!! ;)
I don't think I would be interested in a Prehistoric Monsters revisited
Dinosaurs and megafauna, unlike say, goblins or wights, were real creatures. If people really want to find new ways of incorporating them into a game, then there are plenty of nonfiction books that provide new interpretations of dinosaur behavior and appearance already out there.
For instance, I own both of these books, and they would probably be useful from a gaming perspective:
http://www.amazon.com/Field-Guide-Dinosaurs-Essential-Travelers/dp/B005X4F8 82/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331574558&sr=1-5
http://www.amazon.com/Dinosaurs-Complete-Up---Date-Encyclopedia/dp/03758241 97/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331574558&sr=1-1
To be honest as well, although I like the pathfinder art for the most part, a lot of the dinosaur art is pretty subpar and innacurate for my tastes.
Does anybody have any reasons it would be a bad book?"Prehistoric Adventures" would not be a bad book. I would buy it. "Prehistoric Monsters Revisited" would be... confusing. The whole point of the Revisited line has been to infuse new, interesting ideas into monsters (and items) that were played out and boring, iconic but underutilized, or just plain weird. They were given extra backstory, personality, and variations to make them unique and memorable. I'm not sure how this sort of treatment would work on a dozen different INT 2 animals.
One thing that might make it interesting is to take them out of the jungle. Despite the fact that Earth in the age of dinosaurs had just as large a range of climates as it does today we only ever really see dinosaurs pictured in a lush, tropical rain forest. Show some of the feathered versions of various dinosaurs that live in cooler parts of the world.
You could also create a race of intelligent raptors that start appearing out of rifts with their dinosaur mounts and warbeasts. Refugees from the past sent forward in time (using CRYSTALS) to escape whatever ended the reign the dinosaurs in the first place.
Does anybody have any reasons it would be a bad book?Yeah. That's a book on animals with no myths or gaming lore attached to them. Also, they're animals, so not exactly fascinating opponents either - claw/claw/bite and well that's about it.
Technically, the ancients did have legends about prehistoric creatures. Of course, mammoth skulls were those of cyclopes, and dinosaurs were dragons... There are some who hold that the Aborigine myths in Australia have memories of extinct species.
However, there are plenty of modern myths, folklore, and ideas, including real scientific theories, regarding dinosaurs and prehistoric megafauna out there that could be mined for material.
I'm in.
I think saying "There's not enough to write about" with these creatures actually demonstrates the potential for such a book to show you all exactly what is so awesome about them. Some people make their entire careers out of extrapolating about the lives of these forgotten real-world monsters.
That, and what Jeff de Luna just said — there's a cool book called Monster of God that I highly recommend. Also The First Fossil Hunters. There's a lot of compelling evidence that many of our fantastic creatures were inspired by found pre-historic remains.
The decision to make the aurochs the "stock fantasy cow" of Golarion remains one of my favorite things about the setting. Suck it, rothe!
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As a DM going on 5 or six or so years xp, I would like to point out that there is a truckload you can do to make these simple 2int monsters interesting. That being said, it is more dependent upon how the 8-18 int races see them. For example: describe how they are used as war mounts by the lizard folk, or worshiped by the kobolds of the Red Mantis island. Include interesting bits of data about how more advanced civilizations have included them in their gladiator games, or include them as a mummified creature in an Osirion Pharaoh's tomb. As a DM I have on and off again used Dinosaurs to great effect and my players usually got a kick each time they appeared in game (often more than they did Dragons). Paizo, I would gladly throw my vote (and cash) behind this book! Let my Players Walk With Dinosaurs!
It would be interesting...do a part on dinosaur companions or the equivilent of dinosaur shifters.
I'd hope to see a brontosaurus.