AM BARBARIAN Build

[Trinam]

+2 INT ioun stone with a scroll. He used it once, shoved it in a backpack, and forgot about it. Maybe sold it prior to 20th. Hard to say where it got to...

Anyways, I will certainly agree 100% that the best way to deal with AM BARBARIAN is to not deal with AM BARBARIAN. You may run into trouble if the enchantment spells start getting sundered, though.

[ecw1701]

Trinam wrote:

Anyways, I will certainly agree 100% that the best way to deal with AM BARBARIAN is to not deal with AM BARBARIAN.

Or convince another AM BARBARIAN to attack the first AM BARBARIAN...but the force of their double-charging collision would probably cause the end of all things.

[Trinam]

ecw1701 wrote:

Trinam wrote:

Anyways, I will certainly agree 100% that the best way to deal with AM BARBARIAN is to not deal with AM BARBARIAN.

Or convince another AM BARBARIAN to attack the first AM BARBARIAN...but the force of their double-charging collision would probably cause the end of all things.

Worse. One would be the Simon to the other's Kamina.

[Andy Ferguson]

Cheapy wrote:

I actually really like spell sunder. There's finally something that is worthwhile to make people not full attack for damage all the time.

I don't think people fully appreciate how monumental that is.

Sunder can be used in place of an attack during a full attack action, so full attacking is still the order of the day. Bestial Leaper, Furious Finish and fatigue immunity offer a new option besides full attacking though.

[Cheapy]

Andy Ferguson wrote:

Cheapy wrote:

I actually really like spell sunder. There's finally something that is worthwhile to make people not full attack for damage all the time.

I don't think people fully appreciate how monumental that is.

Sunder can be used in place of an attack during a full attack action, so full attacking is still the order of the day. Bestial Leaper, Furious Finish and fatigue immunity offer a new option besides full attacking though.

I realized that and added "for damage" after "full attack".

[Andy Ferguson]

Cheapy wrote:

Andy Ferguson wrote:

Cheapy wrote:

I actually really like spell sunder. There's finally something that is worthwhile to make people not full attack for damage all the time.

I don't think people fully appreciate how monumental that is.

Sunder can be used in place of an attack during a full attack action, so full attacking is still the order of the day. Bestial Leaper, Furious Finish and fatigue immunity offer a new option besides full attacking though.

I realized that and added "for damage" after "full attack".

Sometimes I full attack with my +5 jazz hands for style instead of damage.

[Azten]

Trinam wrote:

Worse. One would be the Simon to the other's Kamina.

Too bad Kamina's dead, which means that Trinam's AM BARBARIAN is Simon, and auto wins.

[ecw1701]

Azten wrote:

Trinam wrote:

Worse. One would be the Simon to the other's Kamina.

Too bad Kamina's dead, which means that Trinam's AM BARBARIAN is Simon, and auto wins.

Well played.

[Trinam]

The Caster-Martial Disparity is the Anti Spiral. I have decreed it.

[ShadowcatX]

Mathwei ap Niall wrote:

Yeah, this is one of the MANY reasons I feel Ultimate combat was the worst book that Paizo has ever put out. Every craptastic, overpowered build I've seen (or built myslef) hinges around something poorly written from that book.

To each their own. I'm personally glad martials got nice things for once, and I'm thoroughly casty.

[Azten]

ecw1701 wrote:

Azten wrote:

Trinam wrote:

Worse. One would be the Simon to the other's Kamina.

Too bad Kamina's dead, which means that Trinam's AM BARBARIAN is Simon, and auto wins.

Well played.

Thank you.

*bows*

[thepuregamer]

Wow, 3 pages in a day. Had to read em so I could post without worrying about people saying I was missing stuff.

Ton of something to wade through.

1. Any late game caster can easily afford to have a ring of invisibility(invisible pretty much all the time), have mind blank on(all day), and be flying using overland flight.
1a. mind blank blocks arcane sight and other divinations. Thus invisibility remains untouched.
1b. Thus a barbarian with a mount PaO'd into a bat will have a fly speed of 50 and a blindsense of 40ft at his disposal. With regular perception checks, a spotting a flying invisible stealthing caster will require a dc perception check of d20+20 invis+20 ranks+ dex mod+ distance penalty. At 100 ft away, that is on average a dc 65ish perception check just to pinpoint the casty(casty remains invisible). If the caster actually focuses on stealth and drops a feat( not really a requirement), it's up to 71 or so. At 800 ft away, it will take a dc 140 or so perception check to just pinpoint.
1c. Which brings me to line of sight. He is invisible. invisible-->total concealment--> no line of sight --> no targeting or charging and possibly no antagonize since you can't target without line of sight.

2. Caster does not need to be a divination spec to pretty much auto win initiative. That is what moment of prescience is for. Also lasts all day.

3. In a surprise round, barbie can only make a partial charge. Thus halving his surprise attack distance. On a mount PaO'd into a dire bat, that is a 50ft distance. He is definitely not going to be charging in from 50 ft and surprising a caster. The caster will likely see his magically modified mount at 120 ft, with permanent arcane sight. Another small investment for the caster.

4. Quickened dispel or greater dispel(this can be done via a rod of quicken metamagic or lesser metamagic) is another cheap and effective response to a barbarian whose mount can only fly via spells. And dispel or greater dispel is not an unlikely spell to have memorized. If he can't fly to you, his lance cannot reach you.

5. If we are going to go the leadership --> synthesist mount path, a wizard can get the same mount and cast spells while mounted. The concentration dc is minimal anyway (10+spell lvl or 15 + spell lvl). I do not care to venture so far into stupidity but the blame lies squarely on people who are attempting to prove how awesome a barbarian is by saying he needs an extra character in order to compete with others. If you cannot the reality of this. well too bad.

6. This one is less serious and more of the kind of caster talk people have been b&%&~ing about. The one where the wizard always has the right tool for your attack. But using your moment of prescience bonus on attack or using a quickened true strike, ready a reach euphoric tranquility at your charging attacker when he comes into range of the spell. No save ranged touch attack at +30 ish and your enemy is pacified for 20 rounds.

Anyway, these examples seem to go very far into showing that any high end caster can with minimal expenditure be nigh impossible to find/surprise/target/charge/even get to. I need not go down the path of time stop and 9th lvl spell spamming to show this.

There is not much more to say until I see a build. But barbarians do not normally have great ac so summoning tons of ranged attackers is not a bad idea after successfully removing his flight.

Obviously if closer rules inspection shows that even invisible targets can be antagonized, then obviously any high lvl caster would know to plan around that ability. If such non magical mind control existed it would be well documented. So things I wanted to clarify about antagonize.
1. Is it hearing dependent? If the caster plugs his ears, he can't understand what you are saying as he can't hear you.
2. What is the general interpretation of "The effect ends if the creature is prevented from reaching you or attempting to do so would harm him"? Clearly charging a barbarian with reach would provoke an AoO. That would harm him. Thus effect ends. Or, a squishy caster would be greatly harmed by running up next to a big melee bruiser. Effect ends.

Just wondering.

[ShadowcatX]

thepuregamer wrote:

1. Any late game caster can easily afford to have a ring of invisibility(invisible pretty much all the time), have mind blank on(all day), and be flying using overland flight.

1a. mind blank blocks arcane sight and other divinations. Thus invisibility remains untouched.
1b. Thus a barbarian with a mount PaO'd into a bat will have a fly speed of 50 and a blindsense of 40ft at his disposal. With regular perception checks, a spotting a flying invisible stealthing caster will require a dc perception check of d20+20 invis+20 ranks+ dex mod+ distance penalty. At 100 ft away, that is on average a dc 65ish perception check just to pinpoint the casty(casty remains invisible). If the caster actually focuses on stealth and drops a feat( not really a requirement), it's up to 71 or so. At 800 ft away, it will take a dc 140 or so perception check to just pinpoint.
1c. Which brings me to line of sight. He is invisible. invisible-->total concealment--> no line of sight --> no targeting or charging and possibly no antagonize since you can't target without line of sight.

Mind blank blocks you from divinations. Arcane sight isn't finding you, its finding the spells you've got on you. RAW, mind block looses. However, its still a point that he can not charge you, he can only charge your spells.

Quote:

6. This one is less serious and more of the kind of caster talk people have been b@$!*ing about. The one where the wizard always has the right tool for your attack. But using your moment of prescience bonus on attack or using a quickened true strike, ready a reach euphoric tranquility at your charging attacker when he comes into range of the spell. No save ranged touch attack at +30 ish and your enemy is pacified for 20 rounds.

I wonder, would the attack that the spell causes be enough to trigger a will save to allow them to act normally for 1 round? And do people really take reach spell?

[Jason Nelson]

ShadowcatX wrote:

Mathwei ap Niall wrote:

Yeah, this is one of the MANY reasons I feel Ultimate combat was the worst book that Paizo has ever put out. Every craptastic, overpowered build I've seen (or built myslef) hinges around something poorly written from that book.

To each their own. I'm personally glad martials got nice things for once, and I'm thoroughly casty.

+1

I can't speak for the developers at Paizo central, but as the author of the barbarian sections in the APG and UC (though a bit of the APG stuff was already written as samples of what they wanted) I can assure you it was wholly intentional in those sections and others to give martial characters countermeasures to things casters normally assumed as auto-wins. It's the same reason I argued for the point of giving wall of force hardness and hit points in Pathfinder rather than being immune to everything a fighter could do in 3.5 and before.

Casters have lots of ways to say IN YER FACE to martials; is it so wrong for martials to have at least a couple of ways to say IN YER FACE to casters?

Put another way, if it's craptastic, unbalanced, and overpowered for a martial character to be able to BREAK a prismatic sphere, does that not suggest that it must also be craptastic, unbalanced, and overpowered for a caster character to be able to MAKE a prismatic sphere? Things that make you go hmmmm...

It's not like every martial character can automatically counter everything any caster can do. Far from it. I'm a caster fan, but I'm also a meat-and-potatoes fan, and for my part is was completely on purpose to try to give out some Nice Things (TM) to a variety of martial classes. Casters get plenty of Nice Things; don't begrudge them to other classes.

That's my two cents anyway.

[Grand Magus]

Group hug.

[AM BARBARIAN]

MIND BLANK + INVISIBILITY AM PROBLEM, AND THIS AM VALID POINT. OR, WOULD BE, IF NOT FOR 2 SIMPLE THINGS.

THING 1. IF BARBARIAN AM MOUNTED FURY, BARBARIAN AM ALSO SUPERSTITIOUS. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW CASTY SNEAK UP ON BARBARIAN WITH NATURAL BLINDSENSE? IF BARBARIAN AM NOT MOUNTED FURY, BARBARIAN HAVE STUPIDICULOUS AWESOME BATTY BAT. AM PRETTY CLEAR CASTY AM NOT SNEAKING UP ON BATTY BAT. AM JUST SAYING.

THING 2. CASTY AM STILL FORGETTING MOUNTED FURY AM CRAZY AWESOME ARCHETYPE, FULL OF AWESOME THINGS. LIKE FOR INSTANCE +10 FOOT MOUNT MOVE SPEED. THAT MAKE MOUNT HAVE 60 MOVE. THEN AM ADDING BOOTS OF HASTE. SUDDENLY AM 90 MOVE. HRM. THINK BARBARIAN AM ABLE GET WITHIN 90 FT OF CASTY? BARBARIAN AM WILLING TO BET SO.

THING 3. AS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED, USING READIED ACTION HIT BARBARIAN WITH HAPPYTIME SPELL NOT NEGATE CHARGE ALREADY IN PROGRESS. AM FULL ROUND ACTION ONCE CALLED. WHAT HAVE BEEN DONE AM NOT BEING UNDONE WITHOUT SOMEHOW BLOCK CHARGE LANE. BARBARIAN FEEL HAPPYTIME NOW, BUT QUESTION AM SIMPLE: AM BARBARIAN MURDER CASTY IN 1 ROUND DURING ACTION ALREADY IN PROGRESS? (IF THIS AM STILL QUESTION AT THIS POINT, CASTY AM NOT PAYING ATTENTION. BARBARIAN NOT ANSWER)

THING 4. CASTY AM USING MOMENT OF PRESENCE FOR UNITIATIVE. AM CASTY STILL NOT READING SPELL EFFECTS? PRESENCE AM FOR OPPOSED ABILITY OR SKILL CHECK, SAVE, ATTACK ROLL, OR COMBAT MANUVER. UNITIATIVE AM NONE OF THE ABOVE. POOR CASTY AM GETTING 3.5 CONFUSED WITH PATHFINDER AGAIN. NEED BETTER PLAN.

THING 5. BARBARIAN SAY THIS ONCE, VERY SLOWLY.

BARBARIAN MOUNT.

HAVE WINGS.

HOW AM.

CASTY.

GOING TO DISPEL WINGS?

AM HAVING MAGICAL QUICKENED GREATER DISPEL WINGS? AM NOT SEE THAT ON SPELL LIST.

FINAL THING. ANTAGONIZE AM KEEPING CASTY FROM MOVING THROUGH OBVIOUSLY DAMAGING TERRAIN EFFECTS TO HIT BARBARIAN. BARBARIAN BEING MANLY AM NOT DAMAGING TERRAIN EFFECT. STOP TRYING GAME MIND-AFFECTING ABILITY JUST BECAUSE CASTY PISSY ABOUT IT BEING USED AGAINST CASTY FOR ONCE. AM NOT SEE FIGHTYS COMPLAINING ABOUT ALL CASTY ENCHANTMENT BULLCRAP. TAKE LIKE MAN.

BABY.

TL;DR: BARBARIAN AM WINNER; AM NOTHING ACTUALLY DIFFERENT ABOUT ANY ARGUMENT BROUGHT FORTH IN POST.

[Trinam]

Jason Nelson wrote:

ShadowcatX wrote:

Mathwei ap Niall wrote:

Yeah, this is one of the MANY reasons I feel Ultimate combat was the worst book that Paizo has ever put out. Every craptastic, overpowered build I've seen (or built myslef) hinges around something poorly written from that book.

To each their own. I'm personally glad martials got nice things for once, and I'm thoroughly casty.

+1

I can't speak for the developers at Paizo central, but as the author of the barbarian sections in the APG and UC (though a bit of the APG stuff was already written as samples of what they wanted) I can assure you it was wholly intentional in those sections and others to give martial characters countermeasures to things casters normally assumed as auto-wins. It's the same reason I argued for the point of giving wall of force hardness and hit points in Pathfinder rather than being immune to everything a fighter could do in 3.5 and before.

Casters have lots of ways to say IN YER FACE to martials; is it so wrong for martials to have at least a couple of ways to say IN YER FACE to casters?

Put another way, if it's craptastic, unbalanced, and overpowered for a martial character to be able to BREAK a prismatic sphere, does that not suggest that it must also be craptastic, unbalanced, and overpowered for a caster character to be able to MAKE a prismatic sphere? Things that make you go hmmmm...

It's not like every martial character can automatically counter everything any caster can do. Far from it. I'm a caster fan, but I'm also a meat-and-potatoes fan, and for my part is was completely on purpose to try to give out some Nice Things (TM) to a variety of martial classes. Casters get plenty of Nice Things; don't begrudge them to other classes.

That's my two cents anyway.

Sir, if you are the man who invented Spell Sunder, I need to track you down and give you a hug. Unless you don't like hugs, in which case I guess I'll get you a coke or something.

[Brambleman]

The best countermesure would then seem to be one of avoidance. Using the usual wizard methods for advance warning and super initiative, use your first action to teleport away. Then Gate or shift over to a nice planar vacation for a while. Im sure that with some tweaking you could find away to leave behind a summon or something, but that is besides the point.

It is entirely possible to use a few spells to ensure a quick getaway. If no one posts a build, ill try my hand later.

[Doggan]

So, is there actually a build out there yet for AM, or are you basically just throwing all this random stuff out there without the original build available. I mean, with all these people trying to beat you, I really do hope your build is somewhere.

[ShadowcatX]

I know at one point in 3.5 there was debate about rather or not initiative counted as opposed dexterity rolls. (Based off of some spell, I never quite understood everything either side really said.) Has that been cleared up now or is it still ambiguous?

Brambleman wrote:

The best countermesure would then seem to be one of avoidance. Using the usual wizard methods for advance warning and super initiative, use your first action to teleport away. Then Gate or shift over to a nice planar vacation for a while. Im sure that with some tweaking you could find away to leave behind a summon or something, but that is besides the point.

It is entirely possible to use a few spells to ensure a quick getaway. If no one posts a build, ill try my hand later.

This has already been acknowledged. Running away is a perfectly valid answer. It also gives the win to AM BARBARIAN, even if it denies him smashy.

[Trinam]

Doggan wrote:

So, is there actually a build out there yet for AM, or are you basically just throwing all this random stuff out there without the original build available. I mean, with all these people trying to beat you, I really do hope your build is somewhere.

With the exception of gear, an attempt the build is complete in my mind, and scrawled on a piece of paper in my notebook. (I avoid calling it 'THE' build because I am certain there is always room for improvement, and AM himself is the perfected build)

Gear for a level 20 character takes forever, and I am both lazy and juggling six or seven things at once.

EDIT: And if I do throw out an estimate, I will preface it as an estimate, and either give a range or a low-end estimate based on what gear I think I'll end up taking.

[Doggan]

Trinam wrote:

Doggan wrote:

So, is there actually a build out there yet for AM, or are you basically just throwing all this random stuff out there without the original build available. I mean, with all these people trying to beat you, I really do hope your build is somewhere.

With the exception of gear, an attempt the build is complete in my mind, and scrawled on a piece of paper in my notebook. (I avoid calling it 'THE' build because I am certain there is always room for improvement, and AM himself is the perfected build)

Gear for a level 20 character takes forever, and I am both lazy and juggling six or seven things at once.

EDIT: And if I do throw out an estimate, I will preface it as an estimate, and either give a range or a low-end estimate based on what gear I think I'll end up taking.

Fair enough. Was just curious if this was all merely an exercise in silliness or not. Which it clearly seems to be.

[Kryzbyn]

Brambleman wrote:

The best countermesure would then seem to be one of avoidance. Using the usual wizard methods for advance warning and super initiative, use your first action to teleport away. Then Gate or shift over to a nice planar vacation for a while. Im sure that with some tweaking you could find away to leave behind a summon or something, but that is besides the point.

It is entirely possible to use a few spells to ensure a quick getaway. If no one posts a build, ill try my hand later.

So the game is now how to avoid being killed by AM BARBARIAN, or still how to beat him?

It's still getting chased off, and thats a win.

EDIT: Ninja'd

[Trinam]

If you want the abridged version of the history, I stumbled ass-backwards into something awesome, and ended up deciding to put effort into perfecting it.

If you want the full version of the history, we'll be here all night. I'd have to spoiler tag it.

[thepuregamer]

AM BARBARIAN wrote:

THING 1. IF BARBARIAN AM MOUNTED FURY, BARBARIAN AM ALSO SUPERSTITIOUS. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW CASTY SNEAK UP ON BARBARIAN WITH NATURAL BLINDSENSE? IF BARBARIAN AM NOT MOUNTED FURY, BARBARIAN HAVE STUPIDICULOUS AWESOME BATTY BAT. AM PRETTY CLEAR CASTY AM NOT SNEAKING UP ON BATTY BAT. AM JUST SAYING.

40 ft blindsense is not going to do much of anything... so once again how is barbie ever finding wizard from farther than 120ft away?

barbie wrote:

THING 2. CASTY AM STILL FORGETTING MOUNTED FURY AM CRAZY AWESOME ARCHETYPE, FULL OF AWESOME THINGS. LIKE FOR INSTANCE +10 FOOT MOUNT MOVE SPEED. THAT MAKE MOUNT HAVE 60 MOVE. THEN AM ADDING BOOTS OF HASTE. SUDDENLY AM 90 MOVE. HRM. THINK BARBARIAN AM ABLE GET WITHIN 90 FT OF CASTY? BARBARIAN AM WILLING TO BET SO.

dire bat base speed is 40 ft. I already added your barbarian speed increase to get it to 50. And 10 rounds out of entire day your bat(can it even wear boots? really?) can move at 80 ft. 10 charges in a day.

barbie wrote:

THING 3. AS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED, USING READIED ACTION HIT BARBARIAN WITH HAPPYTIME SPELL NOT NEGATE CHARGE ALREADY IN PROGRESS. AM FULL ROUND ACTION ONCE CALLED. WHAT HAVE BEEN DONE AM NOT BEING UNDONE WITHOUT SOMEHOW BLOCK CHARGE LANE. BARBARIAN FEEL HAPPYTIME NOW, BUT QUESTION AM SIMPLE: AM BARBARIAN MURDER CASTY IN 1 ROUND DURING ACTION ALREADY IN PROGRESS? (IF THIS AM STILL QUESTION AT THIS POINT, CASTY AM NOT PAYING ATTENTION. BARBARIAN NOT ANSWER)

barbie cannot charge invisible caster.

Also again, barbie cannot even see invisible caster to know it is a person. He can see some auras. within 120 ft. How smart is barbie? Perhaps when he is statted we will know if he can actually figure anything out.

Quote:

THING 4. CASTY AM USING MOMENT OF PRESENCE FOR UNITIATIVE. AM CASTY STILL NOT READING SPELL EFFECTS? PRESENCE AM FOR OPPOSED ABILITY OR SKILL CHECK, SAVE, ATTACK ROLL, OR COMBAT MANUVER. UNITIATIVE AM NONE OF THE ABOVE. POOR CASTY AM GETTING 3.5 CONFUSED WITH PATHFINDER AGAIN. NEED BETTER PLAN.

that could be true

barbie wrote:

THING 5. BARBARIAN SAY THIS ONCE, VERY SLOWLY.

BARBARIAN MOUNT.

HAVE WINGS.

HOW AM.

CASTY.

GOING TO DISPEL WINGS?

AM HAVING MAGICAL QUICKENED GREATER DISPEL WINGS? AM NOT SEE THAT ON SPELL LIST.

barbie

can
only
get
horse
or
camel
AC.
Bat
requires
PaO...
dispel
PaO...

Quote:

FINAL THING. ANTAGONIZE AM KEEPING CASTY FROM MOVING THROUGH OBVIOUSLY DAMAGING TERRAIN EFFECTS TO HIT BARBARIAN. BARBARIAN BEING MANLY AM NOT DAMAGING TERRAIN EFFECT. STOP TRYING GAME MIND-AFFECTING ABILITY JUST BECAUSE CASTY PISSY ABOUT IT BEING USED AGAINST CASTY FOR ONCE. AM NOT SEE FIGHTYS COMPLAINING ABOUT ALL CASTY ENCHANTMENT...

you confuse real question about actual functionality with whining.

[Doggan]

Trinam wrote:

If you want the abridged version of the history, I stumbled ass-backwards into something awesome, and ended up deciding to put effort into perfecting it.

If you want the full version of the history, we'll be here all night. I'd have to spoiler tag it.

Here's a question. How does AM handle level 20 Ninja, which...

Ultimate Combat wrote:

Hidden Master (Su): At 20th level, a ninja becomes

a true master of her art. She can, as a standard action,
cast greater invisibility on herself. While invisible in this
way, she cannot be detected by any means, and not even
invisibility purge, see invisibility, and true seeing can reveal
her.

Cannot be detected by any means?

[AM BARBARIAN]

BARBARIAN HAVE WISDOM, YOU KNOW. AM BORN AT NIGHT, BUT NOT LAST NIGHT.

'HMM. AM BIG HOVERING THING OF SPELLS AND MAGIC ITEMS OVER THERE WITH AT LEAST LIKE 50 SEPERATE AURAS BECAUSE CASTYS HAVE MAGIC ITEMS LIKE BARBARIAN HAVE AWESOME. ALSO EVERYTHING AM INVISIBLE. GEE, BARBARIAN WONDER IF AM POSSIBLY POSSIBLE THERE AM CASTY UNDERNEATH ALL RANDOM SPELLS.'

BARBARIAN BEEN SMASHING CASTYS FOR 20 LEVELS. CASTY SERIOUSLY EXPECT ANYONE TO BELIEVE FOR ONE SECOND BARBARIAN NOT ALREADY KNOW THAT AM CASTY?

THAT AM BREAKING BARBARIAN VERMISITUDE. THAT AM BREAKING ALL VERMISITUDE, ALWAYS.

TARGETED DISPEL ON SPELL TURNING RING BATTY BAT AM FUNNY, THOUGH. AS WOULD BE NON-TARGETED. BARBARIAN PRETTY SURE AM END BADLY FOR CASTY.

OR AWESOME. BARBARIAN LOVE TO SEE DISPEL OWN PROTECTION. AND SINCE THERE AM SQUARE WITH OBVIOUS CASTY, BARBARIAN THEN TARGET SQUARE WITH ANTAGONIZE. 'HEY INVISIBLE SQUISHY BUTT-FACE. COME FIGHT BARBARIAN LIKE REAL MAN.'

CLEARLY CASTY AM INVISIBLE AND MIND BLANKED. AM MAKING CASTY UMVINCIBLE. BARBARIAN NOT HAVE ANY WAY TO SEE CASTY NOW, RIGHT? GO ON. CHARGE.

THE WORLD'S GREATEST SIGH WHY AM EVERY CASTY BARBARIAN TALK TO NOT ABLE TO MAKE SIMPLE SAVE DC VS STUPID? BARBARIAN NOT EVEN HAVE CASTY LEVELS TO POWER SPELL. WHO AM KEEP CASTING THAT ANYWAY?

...BET AM STUPID DESTRUCITY GOD AGAIN. BARBARIAN BE RIGHT BACK.

[Cheapy]

Doggan wrote:

Trinam wrote:

If you want the abridged version of the history, I stumbled ass-backwards into something awesome, and ended up deciding to put effort into perfecting it.

If you want the full version of the history, we'll be here all night. I'd have to spoiler tag it.

Here's a question. How does AM handle level 20 Ninja, which...

Ultimate Combat wrote:

Hidden Master (Su): At 20th level, a ninja becomes

a true master of her art. She can, as a standard action,
cast greater invisibility on herself. While invisible in this
way, she cannot be detected by any means, and not even
invisibility purge, see invisibility, and true seeing can reveal
her.

Cannot be detected by any means?

By throwing flour every where. You aren't detecting the ninja. You are detecting the flour.

Also, Ragelancepounce every square. Everywhere.

[AM BARBARIAN]

Doggan wrote:

Trinam wrote:

If you want the abridged version of the history, I stumbled ass-backwards into something awesome, and ended up deciding to put effort into perfecting it.

If you want the full version of the history, we'll be here all night. I'd have to spoiler tag it.

Here's a question. How does AM handle level 20 Ninja, which...

Ultimate Combat wrote:

Hidden Master (Su): At 20th level, a ninja becomes

a true master of her art. She can, as a standard action,
cast greater invisibility on herself. While invisible in this
way, she cannot be detected by any means, and not even
invisibility purge, see invisibility, and true seeing can reveal
her.

Cannot be detected by any means?

PINPOINT SQUARE WITH ENGINEERING. SPELL SUNDER GREATER INVISIBILITY. IT AM IMMUNE TO MISS CHANCE FROM INVISIBILITY.

[Skyth]

Mind blank plus invisibility means that the Barbarian will never get the charge off. The range on the blindsight isn't huge (30'), I'm sure, and flying caster can move out of the range. Not in range at beginning of turn means no charge. Unless the Barbarian Metagames, he wouldn't know where the caster is.

Not to mention, mounted on a 90' moving bat (for 10 rounds only per day, even assuming you can put boots on a bat), he can no longer charge farther than the he can be seen.

[AM BARBARIAN]

Skyth wrote:

Mind blank plus invisibility means that the Barbarian will never get the charge off. The range on the blindsight isn't huge (30'), I'm sure, and flying caster can move out of the range. Not in range at beginning of turn means no charge. Unless the Barbarian Metagames, he wouldn't know where the caster is.

Not to mention, mounted on a 90' moving bat (for 10 rounds only per day, even assuming you can put boots on a bat), he can no longer charge farther than the he can be seen.

PERMANENCY ARCANE SIGHT SHOW AURAS OF ALL CASTY SHINY MAGIC TREASURE FROM RANGE OF 120,' BARBARIAN NEED BE PREEEETTY STUPID NOT KNOW THAT AM CASTY. BLINDSIGHT AM MERELY TO REMOVE ALL MISS CHANCE, ALWAYS.

ALSO GIVES UNITIATIVE BONUS. AM PRETTY AWESOME.

[AM HIPSTER]

being knocked to -hp by AM BARBARIAN is so mainstream, i did it before i casted a spell

[Skyth]

You mean the arcane sight that was dispelled before you were in range to use it?

[AM BARBARIAN]

Skyth wrote:

You mean the arcane sight that was dispelled before you were in range to use it?

BARBARIAN NOTE CASTY MAKE LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS. AM PRETTY SURE BARBARIAN STILL HAVE SPELL ON.

[Kryzbyn]

Yes, the arcane sight he used to rangelancepounce the casty with while the casty took an action to know: arcana the arcane sight. From just as far away.

[Trinam]

I do note with some amusement that they've given up on ever defeating the AM BARBARIAN who took leadership. They're trying to attack a notably weaker version of the same thing and declare that a victory.

Didn't know castys ever took catch off guard. Maybe one's an alchemist? I guess you could throw goalposts. :P

[Skyth]

No action required. Arcane sight makes your eyes glow. Obvious effect would have a trivial spellcraft to figure out. No need to be in range of arcane sight to figure it out either. Not to mention mind blank makes you undetectable by arcane sight.

[ShadowcatX]

I want a t-shirt that says "I fought AM BARBARIAN and all I got was a negative level and -5,000 gp in diamond dust."

[ShadowcatX]

Skyth wrote:

No action required. Arcane sight makes your eyes glow. Obvious effect would have a trivial spellcraft to figure out. No need to be in range of arcane sight to figure it out either. Not to mention mind blank makes you undetectable by arcane sight.

How many times does it have to be said, they're not detecting you with arcane sight. They're detecting your spells.

[Skyth]

Trinam wrote:

I do note with some amusement that they've given up on ever defeating the AM BARBARIAN who took leadership. They're trying to attack a notably weaker version of the same thing and declare that a victory.

Take the same henchman. Balances out. Not to mention, a wizard could make the henchman and himself fly.

[Skyth]

ShadowcatX wrote:

Skyth wrote:

No action required. Arcane sight makes your eyes glow. Obvious effect would have a trivial spellcraft to figure out. No need to be in range of arcane sight to figure it out either. Not to mention mind blank makes you undetectable by arcane sight.

How many times does it have to be said, they're not detecting you with arcane sight. They're detecting your spells.

Finding out you have magic on you is finding out about you which is banned through mind blank. Try again.

And regardless, arcane sight would have been dispelled.

[AM BARBARIAN]

Skyth wrote:

No action required. Arcane sight makes your eyes glow. Obvious effect would have a trivial spellcraft to figure out. No need to be in range of arcane sight to figure it out either. Not to mention mind blank makes you undetectable by arcane sight.

OH LOOK. POINTS BARBARIAN ALREADY COVERED.

1) TRIVIAL SPELLCRAFT AM STILL SPELLCRAFT, WHICH AM STILL ACTION. IN VOLATILE ACTION ECONOMY, BARBARIAN FINANCIAL.

2) AM YOU MISS PART WHERE BARBARIAN WEARS AWESOME SUNGLASSES? AM NO SHIRT, BUT AM SUNGLASSES. LOOK AT PICTURE OF MANLIEST MAN TO EVER MAN, AM GET IDEA. HOW CASTY LOOK THROUGH SUNGLASSES AT NIGHT? (SO BARBARIAN CAN SO BARBARIAN CAN).

3) BUT NOT AURAS OF MAGIC ITEMS CASTY CARRYING. AS ESTABLISHED, BARBARIAN CHARGE THERE, AND SPELL SUNDER 'INVISIBLE CASTY'. IF AM NOT, BARBARIAN CLEARLY MISS.

BARBARIAN NOT REMEMBER TIME DECLARING THIS HAVE EVER MISSED.

[AM BARBARIAN]

Skyth wrote:

Trinam wrote:

I do note with some amusement that they've given up on ever defeating the AM BARBARIAN who took leadership. They're trying to attack a notably weaker version of the same thing and declare that a victory.

Take the same henchman. Balances out. Not to mention, a wizard could make the henchman and himself fly.

MORE SAVES VERSUS STUPID AM FAILING. DC AM LIKE, 2. STOP NATURAL 1ING, CASTY. PLEASE.

SAME HENCHMAN AM STUPID ARGUMENT. HENCHMAN AM ABLE TO SEE CASTY, BUT CASTY RUN INTO BIG PROBLEM: WHAT SPELL AM CASTY GOING TO USE FROM OVER 800 FEET AWAY TO PREVENT INSTANT DEATH? MORE SPECIFICALLY, WHAT SPELL AM CASTY GOING TO USE DURING SURPRISE ROUND ONLY MOUNT QUALIFY FOR SO THAT CASTY UNABLE TO ACT?

AM NOT VERY SMART TO SAY 'SAME MOUNT EQUALS WIN.' TETORI MONK BETTER IDEA.

[Skyth]

AM BARBARIAN wrote:

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OH LOOK. POINTS BARBARIAN ALREADY COVERED.

And hasn't rebutted effectively

Quote:

1) TRIVIAL SPELLCRAFT AM STILL SPELLCRAFT, WHICH AM STILL ACTION. IN VOLATILE ACTION ECONOMY, BARBARIAN FINANCIAL.

However, the spellcraft can be made before the barbarian even realizes that the wizard is around.

Quote:

2) AM YOU MISS PART WHERE BARBARIAN WEARS AWESOME SUNGLASSES? AM NO SHIRT, BUT AM SUNGLASSES. LOOK AT PICTURE OF MANLIEST MAN TO EVER MAN, AM GET IDEA. HOW CASTY LOOK THROUGH SUNGLASSES AT NIGHT? (SO BARBARIAN CAN SO BARBARIAN CAN).

Sunglasses are not found on the official equipment list as far as I know.

Quote:

3) BUT NOT AURAS OF MAGIC ITEMS CASTY CARRYING. AS ESTABLISHED, BARBARIAN CHARGE THERE, AND SPELL SUNDER 'INVISIBLE CASTY'. IF AM NOT, BARBARIAN CLEARLY MISS.

Again, finding out what the wizard is carrying is finding out information about the wizard, which is banned by min blank. Try again.

You never even see where the wizard is. Arcane sight is gotten rid of before the barbarian even gets in range to use it. Not to mention, spell sunder is a one time thing.

[AM BARBARIAN]

AM FINE IF THAT AM HOW CASTY WANT PLAY IT... BUT CASTY AM RELYING ON HOUSERULES TO WIN.

PER RAW, BARBARIAN QUITE CERTAINLY STILL WINNER.

[Doggan]

Does AM have a way to travel across planes?

[Skyth]

AM BARBARIAN wrote:

AM FINE IF THAT AM HOW CASTY WANT PLAY IT... BUT CASTY AM RELYING ON HOUSERULES TO WIN.

PER RAW, BARBARIAN QUITE CERTAINLY STILL WINNER.

Per RAW, barbarian never finds the wizard. Wizard can cast spells that do not give away his position.

[Doggan]

AM BARBARIAN wrote:

Doggan wrote:

Trinam wrote:

If you want the abridged version of the history, I stumbled ass-backwards into something awesome, and ended up deciding to put effort into perfecting it.

If you want the full version of the history, we'll be here all night. I'd have to spoiler tag it.

Here's a question. How does AM handle level 20 Ninja, which...

Ultimate Combat wrote:

Hidden Master (Su): At 20th level, a ninja becomes

a true master of her art. She can, as a standard action,
cast greater invisibility on herself. While invisible in this
way, she cannot be detected by any means, and not even
invisibility purge, see invisibility, and true seeing can reveal
her.

Cannot be detected by any means?

PINPOINT SQUARE WITH ENGINEERING. SPELL SUNDER GREATER INVISIBILITY. IT AM IMMUNE TO MISS CHANCE FROM INVISIBILITY.

AM am metagaming.

[ShadowcatX]

AM BARBARIAN wrote:

AM FINE IF THAT AM HOW CASTY WANT PLAY IT... BUT CASTY AM RELYING ON HOUSERULES TO WIN.

PER RAW, BARBARIAN QUITE CERTAINLY STILL WINNER.

+1.

Seeing that there is magic in a square does not give any information about the caster of said magic. AM doesn't know if you're human or undead, male or female, red headed or blonde. He does, however, get information about the spells that are in said square, which is not blocked by mind blank.

Spell sunder is a 1/rage thing, which is 1/turn.

[Kryzbyn]

Mind blank doesn't have any of the pesky verbiage that other spells like invisibility do, that point out it covers the target and his stuff, and what happens when he drops his stuff. It just says it prevents scrying/divination on the target. Why is that? It even kinda reads like, if they aren't looking for you specificly, but just for spells in effect, those will be seen.
Is that stretching it a bit? Just enough for a rangelancepounce to fit through, I reckon.