it depends on what you are looking for, but i prefer the haversack.
bag of holding costs more, holds more, but weighs a whole lot more. more than most weapons
handy haversack is cheaper and lighter, but it doesn't hold as much as the bigger bags, but it holds nearly as much as the smaller bags of holding. and it has compartments.
the bag of holding can hold bigger items, but digging through it is a full round action that provokes attacks of oppurtunity
handy haversack is (if i remember correctly) a standard action that doesn't provoke. and 5 pounds is less cumbersome than 25.
it's also 2,000 gold while the cheapest bag of holding is 2,500. the difference could potentially cost you consumables.
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Depends. Whichever holds your Depends. You can fit more Depends in a bag of holding, but when you gotta change them quick, the haversack dispenses them as a move action. That can save you from a big mess!
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Gear you think you might have to use shortly? Haversack. Gear you can only use when you have time to sit down and mess around with it for a few days (artisan tools, alchemy labs, anvils, etc.)? Portable hole or bag of holding. Just don't make the foolish mistake of putting one in the other.
i would start with the haversack. bag of holding can wait until we actually get large enough hauls to require it.
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Depends.
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Gear you think you might have to use shortly? Haversack. Gear you can only use when you have time to sit down and mess around with it for a few days (artisan tools, alchemy labs, anvils, etc.)? Portable hole or bag of holding. Just don't make the foolish mistake of putting one in the other.So,I should buy both? :3
Can you buy both without it being a serious hit to your finances?
Haversack. Its lighter, and has the ability to let you retrieve any item as a move action. that beats fumbling around in a bag of holding trying to grab that potion of cure light to pour down the clerics throat
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Image is everything. The Bag of Holding is stylish and elegant.
Only the rif-raf buy Handy Haversacks. I mean really, what wardrobe goes with a Handy Haversack???? Who wears a backpack all the time? Vagabonds, that's who.
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Image is everything. The Bag of Holding is stylish and elegant.
Only the rif-raf buy Handy Haversacks. I mean really, what wardrobe goes with a Handy Haversack???? Who wears a backpack all the time? Vagabonds, that's who.
Adventurer's wear haversacks, they may be similar to vagabonds in some ways, but at least they typically have the coin to pay for their meals/hooch/rooms at the inn. Especially the effective/long-time adventurers.
For your first extradiminsional storage buy a haversack, after that it's usually bag of holdings or portable holes.
Unless there are extreme circumstances, where you know that you require a BoH and a haversack won't be enough. Like, you have a huge dragon hoard to carry around, and no storage to put it. But then again you probably don't have the moneytary problem and could buy both :)
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Image is everything. The Bag of Holding is stylish and elegant.
Only the rif-raf buy Handy Haversacks. I mean really, what wardrobe goes with a Handy Haversack???? Who wears a backpack all the time? Vagabonds, that's who.
You must not have seen the new Elfsport (tm) Handy Haversacks. With many different styles your sure to find one for any of your fashionable adventuring needs!
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I'll list the pros and cons of each...
HANDY HAVERSACK
Pros:
*Costs less
*Can get any item you want as standard without provoking
Lighter than Bag of HoldingCons:
*Can't hold much
*Can't hold large itemsBAG OF HOLDING
Pros:
Holds much more
Can hold very large items
Can hold creatures for a short whileCons:
Can be punctured by sharp objects
Very expensive
Getting stuff out is a full-round action that provokes
Weighs more
you forgot " if you put a piercing or slashing weapon the bag pops and you waste 50k gold" this has happened to people i play with, i just use a haversack.
oh yeah, and they have that new mage spell that lets you creat your own plane lol, that is the ultimate storage area, "create demiplane" (UM)
Well you can put slashing and piercing weapons inside, they just need to be sheashed or otherwise protected.
Also the haversack says the different pieces are "like a bag of holding" so i'd actually guess that rule applies here too.
One thing you should remember: Bag of holding is large even from the outside. 2x4 feet, that's not your normal belt-pouch :)
So it's not exactly easy to carry.
What I wonder:
It says putting a bag of holding is put into a portable hole, then both vanish.
If a portable hole is put into a BoH then it sucks everything in a 10ft radius in, which is really bad.
So that means the effect of PH and BoH while similar are not the same, since it matters which is put into which.
What happens if you put a Bag of Holding into another Bag of Holding, or into a Haversack? (the largest BoH fits pretty much perfectly inside a HH, which would make it alot easier to carry, increases the size by alot, but you lose the "find stuff easy" property. And then you could store your other BoHs inside that BoH - of course now you need 3 full round actions to find something or so :) )
What happens if you put a Bag of Holding into another Bag of Holding, or into a Haversack?
IIRC, the extra dimensional spaces you place inside other extradimensional spaces (with the noted exception of the interaction of portable holes and bags of holding) simply cease functioning while within those extradimensional spaces. This doesn't mean that everything spills out - it means it's inaccessible, but only while within the other bag.
Really, this isn't such a big deal. Placing a bunch of bags of holding inside a bag of holding is great, so long as you can take the time to sort it out later, and you don't lose the 'outer' bag. That'd be embarrassing.
Party: so, where's the bag containing all the bags of stuff?
Luckless the Loser: Er, well, I just set it down for a second...
Party: ...
Sneaky the Pickpocket: What? Nothing but worthless bags in here?! BAH!
*throws it away in disgust and walks away*
Haversack is better for personal use imo, Bag is for party use.
There's also the Minor Bag of Holding
Bag of Holding, Minor
Source Classic Treasures Revisited 8
Aura moderate conjuration; CL 9th
Slot none; Price 1,000 gp; Weight 3 lbs.
Description
This more economical version of the bag of holding functions in the same manner, but its internal measurements are smaller than those of a regular bag of holding. It measures 2 feet by 4 feet and can carry up to 50 pounds or 6 cubic feet of material.
Construction
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest; Cost 500 gp
Haversack with bags of holding in the side pouches. Use the bags for storage and the main haversack pouch for things you'd need quickly in combat.
I always buy both.
My first extra-dimensional purchase is always a haversack. When I fill that up, I buy a bag of holding to store any extra gear I know I won't need on a moments notice, like that extra suit of +1 full plate, or my chest of 10,000 PP.
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Yes. Most extradimensional spaces just cease to function while inside another extradimensional space. So to get to anything inside the bag of holding the haversack, you would have to pull the bag of holding out first. This is explained on page 501 of the core rulebook.
Ah, silly me. I totally overlooked the sidebar regarding Extradimensional Spaces.
The efficient quiver works wonders for hauling coin and gem loot, too.
You're an archer. Why do you need to haul around extra staves and javelins? replace those with long rods hollowed out to fit coins and gems inside them, of the appropriate length.
At ten coins per inch, a 4' 'javelin' and a 6' 'staff' can contain 480 coins and 720 coins respectively. That's 18 x 480 coins + 5 x 720 coins (I expect you stow your bow in there.)
that's 12,240 coins of storage, or 1,224 pounds of coins, for the low price of 900 gp. Note: there's no weight limit on the Efficient Quiver!
Between this, a minor bag of holding, and a haversack, I think you're set on loot hauling. If the DM only hands you 5000 gp life size statues, then I suggest a Wand of Item.
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I prefer Efficient Quivers over either one.
"Oh, crikey! A rust-monster!" <draw all metal weapons and stuff them into javelin slots in EQ, which can hold sharp objects no-problemo>
That would take my current ninja awhile to accomplish. 2 Cestus, Wakizashi, Katana, Nunchaku, Morningstar, spear, Kusarigama, 10 daggers, 40 shuriken, 40 arrows (20 blunt 20 regular), shield, and a shortbow. I'd have to keep the vast majority of that in the quiver.
My GM freaked a little when I kept pulling out weapons. He even had me tally up the weight, which even with armor, I can walk around with all of that stuff.... the less said about how, the better I imagine. I'm encumbered every time I put my backpack on.
I prefer Efficient Quivers over either one.
"Oh, crikey! A rust-monster!" <draw all metal weapons and stuff them into javelin slots in EQ, which can hold sharp objects no-problemo>
That would take my current ninja awhile to accomplish. 2 Cestus, Wakizashi, Katana, Nunchaku, Morningstar, spear, Kusarigama, 10 daggers, 40 shuriken, 40 arrows (20 blunt 20 regular), shield, and a shortbow. I'd have to keep the vast majority of that in the quiver.
My GM freaked a little when I kept pulling out weapons. He even had me tally up the weight, which even with armor, I can walk around with all of that stuff.... the less said about how, the better I imagine. I'm encumbered every time I put my backpack on.
Pretty sure that a cestus, kusari gama, and morningstar don't fit the long/thin profile the quiver is looking for, and a shield definitely doesn't, but the rest is fair game. I imagine you stow them in your haversack, anyways...
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Pretty sure that a cestus, kusarigama, and morningstar don't fit the long/thin profile the quiver is looking for, and a shield definitely doesn't, but the rest is fair game. I imagine you stow them in your haversack, anyways...
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The cestus is mostly a piece of cloth with some metal bits attached to it, the kusarigama is a sickle with a chain attached to it, but the morningstar is right out.
Yeah, but a cestus is not long and thin...it's a big gauntlet with spikes on it that fit over your hand. A javelin could fit inside the area it covers.
A sickle has the arc of the blade to deal with, so no, there. Even a sword with a large hilt would violate the rule, although you could be lenient. Something like a katana would probably be okay, but a monster cross hilt? nope.
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Yeah, but a cestus is not long and thin...it's a big gauntlet with spikes on it that fit over your hand. A javelin could fit inside the area it covers.
A sickle has the arc of the blade to deal with, so no, there. Even a sword with a large hilt would violate the rule, although you could be lenient. Something like a katana would probably be okay, but a monster cross hilt? nope.
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I like the ones without guards or with really small ones, like the one (gun)Viktoria from Malifaux uses, although not as fancy. You could have a sickle that folds, I mean it's already a pretty heavily customize weapon, so why not. You still have to be able to fit stringed bows in that thing, so I imagine there is some room for leniency. The Cestus weighs a pound and my ninja has improved unarmed combat, so it wouldn't be too weird to have a cestus on. Though it is annoying to have to take it off every time I need to use a bow, pick locks, or fiddle with poisons.
The efficient quiver works wonders for hauling coin and gem loot, too.
You're an archer. Why do you need to haul around extra staves and javelins? replace those with long rods hollowed out to fit coins and gems inside them, of the appropriate length.
At ten coins per inch, a 4' 'javelin' and a 6' 'staff' can contain 480 coins and 720 coins respectively. That's 18 x 480 coins + 5 x 720 coins (I expect you stow your bow in there.)
that's 12,240 coins of storage, or 1,224 pounds of coins, for the low price of 900 gp. Note: there's no weight limit on the Efficient Quiver!
Between this, a minor bag of holding, and a haversack, I think you're set on loot hauling. If the DM only hands you 5000 gp life size statues, then I suggest a Wand of Item.
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Efficient QuiverAura moderate conjuration; CL 9th
Slot —; Price 1,800 gp; Weight 2 lbs.
Description
This appears to be a typical arrow container capable of holding about 20 arrows. It has three distinct portions, each with a nondimensional space allowing it to store far more than would normally be possible. The first and smallest one can contain up to 60 objects of the same general size and shape as an arrow. The second slightly longer compartment holds up to 18 objects of the same general size and shape as a javelin. The third and longest portion of the case contains as many as 6 objects of the same general size and shape as a bow (spears, staffs, or the like). Once the owner has filled it, the quiver can quickly produce any item she wishes that is within the quiver, as if from a regular quiver or scabbard. The efficient quiver weighs the same no matter what's placed inside it.
Spoiler:The efficient quiver works wonders for hauling coin and gem loot, too.
You're an archer. Why do you need to haul around extra staves and javelins? replace those with long rods hollowed out to fit coins and gems inside them, of the appropriate length.
At ten coins per inch, a 4' 'javelin' and a 6' 'staff' can contain 480 coins and 720 coins respectively. That's 18 x 480 coins + 5 x 720 coins (I expect you stow your bow in there.)
that's 12,240 coins of storage, or 1,224 pounds of coins, for the low price of 900 gp. Note: there's no weight limit on the Efficient Quiver!
Between this, a minor bag of holding, and a haversack, I think you're set on loot hauling. If the DM only hands you 5000 gp life size statues, then I suggest a Wand of Item.
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Efficient QuiverAura moderate conjuration; CL 9th
Slot —; Price 1,800 gp; Weight 2 lbs.
Description
This appears to be a typical arrow container capable of holding about 20 arrows. It has three distinct portions, each with a nondimensional space allowing it to store far more than would normally be possible. The first and smallest one can contain up to 60 objects of the same general size and shape as an arrow. The second slightly longer compartment holds up to 18 objects of the same general size and shape as a javelin. The third and longest portion of the case contains as many as 6 objects of the same general size and shape as a bow (spears, staffs, or the like). Once the owner has filled it, the quiver can quickly produce any item she wishes that is within the quiver, as if from a regular quiver or scabbard. The efficient quiver weighs the same no matter what's placed inside it.
I'm pretty sure you were trying to make a point here, but since you never actually wrote anything of your own, I have no idea what it was.
My bad, the bold text was pointing out that the EQ holds up to 60, 18 and 6 objects of various sizes, not 12,240 coins.
Or you just say "I'm putting in staffs. Hollow staffs full of coins. I'm putting in javelins. BLunt javelins full of coins."
And it works perfectly.
I shook my head when i realized this was possible. Did they never think someone would come up with the idea of hollow pipes as coin holders for a Quiver?
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I have a Bag of Holding type IV, which I keep in a Handy Haversack, Which I keep in a Versatile Vest, its confusing at times.
What's the Versatile Vest? I'm not familiar with that one, but I'm always up for more subtle means of storage.