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...Death or Glory!
I guess fighting giants in melee is just not dangerous enough yet. How about we sacrifice a full attack to make only a single strike for +4 extra damage, and give the giant an immediate counterattack for free? This is wrong on so many levels!
That said, Ultimate Combat offers a few jewels as well. I love the sap feats, for instance, or Vicious Stomp, or Clustered Shots...
I'll go for "Extra Cantrips or Orisons". It does exactly what Expanded Arcana does, but less.
[sad trombone]
That said, Ultimate Combat offers a few jewels as well. I love the sap feats, for instance, or Vicious Stomp, or Clustered Shots...
What, exactly, is wrong with Vicious Stomp?
Its not only easier to get than Greater Trip, it stacks with it. Trip an opponent (as a monk, or an unarmed fighter), and they provoke both for falling prone, and for the special AOO granted by Greater Trip. Thats comparable to Medusa's Wrath, except it doesn't require the target to fail a save. And you get benefits partway through the chain instead of having to wait forever.
EDIT: Unless you were listing those feats for comparison. In which case I apologize?
That said, Ultimate Combat offers a few jewels as well. I love the sap feats, for instance, or Vicious Stomp, or Clustered Shots...What, exactly, is wrong with Vicious Stomp?
Its not only easier to get than Greater Trip, it stacks with it. Trip an opponent (as a monk, or an unarmed fighter), and they provoke both for falling prone, and for the special AOO granted by Greater Trip. Thats comparable to Medusa's Wrath, except it doesn't require the target to fail a save. And you get benefits partway through the chain instead of having to wait forever.
I think you'll find that the op likes Vicious Stomp, hence the line "... offers FEW JEWELS AS WELL."
Babble Peddler - You don't need a feat to lie to people.
Caustic Slur - This feat makes your favored enemy "angry" except that all it really does is grant them power attack or make their power attack stronger. It doesn't actually force them to attack you or anything like that. Its a feat that makes your enemies stronger...that's it.
I'll go for "Extra Cantrips or Orisons". It does exactly what Expanded Arcana does, but less.
[sad trombone]
I'm not sure how you're a "master of minor spells" when you can cast 2 extra cantrips/orisons. They should give you at least 4. . . possibly all cantrips/orisons known would make the feat *possibly* worth it.
I wouldn't mind if Extra Cantrips of Orisons doubled the number of cantrips/orisons prepared/known. It would still be taken only rarely.
I'll go for "Extra Cantrips or Orisons". It does exactly what Expanded Arcana does, but less.
[sad trombone]
It does a third of what Mnemonic Enhancer(Wiz 4) does once a wiz hits 7th level.
Sea Legs.
Requires you to be level 5 with 5 ranks in Profession (sailor).
Gives +2 Acrobatics, Climb and Swim.
Doesn't get better.
Athletic has no prerequisites and gives you +2 to Climb and Swim, +4 at 10 ranks.
As far as Sea Legs goes, I think it is pretty bad.
Swap Places from the APG. Its a teamwork feat therefore a feat tax on 2+ players and should have been a combat maneuver.
Sea Legs.
Requires you to be level 5 with 5 ranks in Profession (sailor).
Gives +2 Acrobatics, Climb and Swim.
Doesn't get better.
Athletic has no prerequisites and gives you +2 to Climb and Swim, +4 at 10 ranks.
As far as Sea Legs goes, I think it is pretty bad.
There's a rogue archetype that gives you this feat for free without prereqs. Even then, I don't know if it's worth it. . . .
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Sea Legs.
Requires you to be level 5 with 5 ranks in Profession (sailor).
Gives +2 Acrobatics, Climb and Swim.
Doesn't get better.
Athletic has no prerequisites and gives you +2 to Climb and Swim, +4 at 10 ranks.
As far as Sea Legs goes, I think it is pretty bad.
Won't you be able to stack them for a +6 total bonus just like you stack skill focus with any skill bonus feat?
Won't you be able to stack them for a +6 total bonus just like you stack skill focus with any skill bonus feat?Sea Legs.
Requires you to be level 5 with 5 ranks in Profession (sailor).
Gives +2 Acrobatics, Climb and Swim.
Doesn't get better.
Athletic has no prerequisites and gives you +2 to Climb and Swim, +4 at 10 ranks.
As far as Sea Legs goes, I think it is pretty bad.
I think there are severral things in the game that one wouldn't normally take, but they come with class features or just present them so that the mechanic exists. Coming free with a class, for example.
Also it depends on the type of bonus as to if it stacks. If they're categorized as the same type they don't and if they are different they do.
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Exploit Lore.
Do the math on it. You have an exceedingly small chance for a level 15 feat to get that +2 to hit and damage.
Exploit Lore.
Do the math on it. You have an exceedingly small chance for a level 15 feat to get that +2 to hit and damage.
I'd give a +1 to that one as well.
Swap Places from the APG. Its a teamwork feat therefore a feat tax on 2+ players and should have been a combat maneuver.
How would that work as a maneuver? Or do you mean it should have been a special action?
Exploit Lore.
Do the math on it. You have an exceedingly small chance for a level 15 feat to get that +2 to hit and damage.
You don't have to be level 15 to take that feat (e.g. you could be multiclassed) and there are a number of class abilities that give rather large bonuses to Knowledge checks (e.g. the oracle mysteries Think On It or Natural Divination). I agree it's not very useful, but not totally useless.
Swap Places from the APG. Its a teamwork feat therefore a feat tax on 2+ players and should have been a combat maneuver.How would that work as a maneuver? Or do you mean it should have been a special action?
Maybe it is a special action EL.
I was thinking to make it a variation of the re-position combat maneuver with success meaning any AoO must be targeted to the person moving into harms way and failure meaning AoO's may target either of the 2 involved.
That way the hero worshiping farm boy for the town you have saved several times over can jump in front of sword stroke the BBEG is getting ready to cut our battered and bruised hero down with. Giving him enough time to draw a weapon and cut said BBEG down.
Now If I could figure out a way to make it work against ranged attacks as well it would satisfy my dramatic desires
You don't have to be level 15 to take that feat (e.g. you could be multiclassed) and there are a number of class abilities that give rather large bonuses to Knowledge checks (e.g. the oracle mysteries Think On It or Natural Divination). I agree it's not very useful, but not totally useless.Exploit Lore.
Do the math on it. You have an exceedingly small chance for a level 15 feat to get that +2 to hit and damage.
Of course, that's all true. You can even take Improved Monster Lore to add half your level to the checks.
But I think it's safe to assume that feats with requirements of class abilities are intended for players that are primarily that class.
Even if it *wasn't* so hard to fully identify creatures (not even going into the issue of there being 5 skills you'd need with high ranks to have this feat be super effective), you're trading a level 15 feat (or level 11 feat at the earliest!) for once per day +2 to hit and damage.
If you make a check.
You don't have to be level 15 to take that feat (e.g. you could be multiclassed) and there are a number of class abilities that give rather large bonuses to Knowledge checks (e.g. the oracle mysteries Think On It or Natural Divination). I agree it's not very useful, but not totally useless.Exploit Lore.
Do the math on it. You have an exceedingly small chance for a level 15 feat to get that +2 to hit and damage.
When demons dragons liches etc require a roll of over 80 YES IT'S USELESS!
edited for clarity and removing exaggeration.
...Death or Glory!
I guess fighting giants in melee is just not dangerous enough yet. How about we sacrifice a full attack to make only a single strike for +4 extra damage, and give the giant an immediate counterattack for free? This is wrong on so many levels!
That said, Ultimate Combat offers a few jewels as well. I love the sap feats, for instance, or Vicious Stomp, or Clustered Shots...
Death or Glory adds +4 to damage AND TO HIT. And to confirm crits. And it scales. And it stacks with Vital Strike. To me it looks like a great feat.
Death or Glory adds +4 to damage AND TO HIT. And to confirm crits. And it scales. And it stacks with Vital Strike. To me it looks like a great feat....Death or Glory!
I guess fighting giants in melee is just not dangerous enough yet. How about we sacrifice a full attack to make only a single strike for +4 extra damage, and give the giant an immediate counterattack for free? This is wrong on so many levels!
That said, Ultimate Combat offers a few jewels as well. I love the sap feats, for instance, or Vicious Stomp, or Clustered Shots...
Two words: True Strike. Boom goes the dynamite.
But yeah, it's pretty situational, for when you are already next to the big bad and can potentially go supernova and drop it in one big hit now, as opposed to two regular full attacks over two rounds.
Caustic Slur - This feat makes your favored enemy "angry" except that all it really does is grant them power attack or make their power attack stronger. It doesn't actually force them to attack you or anything like that. Its a feat that makes your enemies stronger...that's it.
Yeah, this one is quite weird. I have no idea on why you would do this other than you've figured out that another -1 or 2 would make the enemy miss ALL THE TIME. Otherwise, you've potentially opened a can of whoop a** on yourself. *shakes head*
Otherwise, my vote would be for Extra Cantrips/Orisons. Totally worthless next to Expanded Arcana.
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Combat Medic. For the mere price of both you and your ally burning a feat, you can <whoa!> use the heal skill to do first aid without provoking an AoO. Did I mention <whoa!>?
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I'm sure someone's going to tell me I'm wrong, but in the many years I've been playing, running hasn't come up often enough to make Run anything but a monumentally useless feat.
I'm sure someone's going to tell me I'm wrong, but in the many years I've been playing, running hasn't come up often enough to make Run anything but a monumentally useless feat.
I've had horses that used it, does that count? :-)
Clustered Shots...Clustered shots bad?!?
What? That's a great feat. It effectively neuters DR. Instead of a DR 10/- critter taking out 10 points of damage on each shot, it does it only once against the total. Without that you need to keep a profusion of different arrows to try an bypass DR. With it, you really don't care.
Heck, it's also the only way I can see a thrower being viable in the game (OK, I think you can pull it off with a Paladin using sunder as well).
This doesn't even include the trick it gets vis a vis massive damage rules (if used). That last one is huge if those rules are used.
Sure UC has some suck feats. Heck, try Combat Medic. For the mere price of both you and your ally burning a feat, you can <whoa!> use the heal skill to do first aid without provoking an AoO. Did I mention <whoa!>?
Please re-read the post skimming is super bad for you.
Please re-read the post skimming is super bad for you.Clustered Shots...Clustered shots bad?!?
What? That's a great feat. It effectively neuters DR. Instead of a DR 10/- critter taking out 10 points of damage on each shot, it does it only once against the total. Without that you need to keep a profusion of different arrows to try an bypass DR. With it, you really don't care.
Heck, it's also the only way I can see a thrower being viable in the game (OK, I think you can pull it off with a Paladin using sunder as well).
This doesn't even include the trick it gets vis a vis massive damage rules (if used). That last one is huge if those rules are used.
Sure UC has some suck feats. Heck, try Combat Medic. For the mere price of both you and your ally burning a feat, you can <whoa!> use the heal skill to do first aid without provoking an AoO. Did I mention <whoa!>?
Doh.
You are correct. Reading is fundamental, and I fundamentally misread it.
Doh.
You are correct. Reading is fundamental, and I fundamentally misread it.
It's all good.
It's only because I skimmed something on another forum recently and then made a comment and proceeded to look like a flaming @$$-hole because of it .
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From the almost-but-not-quite-completely-useless department...
Flaring Spell. Seriously, nobody gives a crap about the Dazzled condition; please stop making new feats/class abilities/spells to make people Dazzled.
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Seriously, nobody gives a crap about the Dazzled condition; please stop making new feats/class abilities/spells to make people Dazzled
Jubilee is sad now.
Warrior Priest = +1 to init is cool but the other is too situational
See, one of my characters actually has this and the +2 to concentration has yet to come up, but I'm loving that +1 to initiative. I haven't regretted taking it yet and since that character is also a fighter, I very well might need that concentration bump sooner rather than later.
I think of it as halfway between Improved Initiative and Combat Casting. And i'll take that on some characters.
Now, Run is also a tremendously suck PC feat. Animals and such, fantastic though, so it's got some use at least.
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Warrior Priest = +1 to init is cool but the other is too situationalSee, one of my characters actually has this and the +2 to concentration has yet to come up, but I'm loving that +1 to initiative. I haven't regretted taking it yet and since that character is also a fighter, I very well might need that concentration bump sooner rather than later.
I think of it as halfway between Improved Initiative and Combat Casting. And i'll take that on some characters.
Now, Run is also a tremendously suck PC feat. Animals and such, fantastic though, so it's got some use at least.
I hope you took the Additional Traits feat first. It gives you two traits.
-Reactionary for a +2 to initiative-Desperate focus for a +2 to ALL concentration checks.
Vastly superior if you are looking for a half and half feat.
Now if you already have Reactionary AND Improved Init... I think you are a little bit crazy just going for the 1 more...
Seriously, nobody gives a crap about the Dazzled condition; please stop making new feats/class abilities/spells to make people DazzledJubilee is sad now.
Of course she is, she's a vampire...
<.< I've taken run. Keeping Dexterity to AC while running are useful when you're trying to quickly make it through a horde, especially in conjunction with mobility. It also gives a +4 to acrobatics when jumping.
<.< I've taken run. Keeping Dexterity to AC while running are useful when you're trying to quickly make it through a horde, especially in conjunction with mobility. It also gives a +4 to acrobatics when jumping.
+1.
Run made my centaur barbarian truly come together as a character and in combat.
I'll put a vote in for Elemental Channel (water).
Swap Places from the APG. Its a teamwork feat therefore a feat tax on 2+ players and should have been a combat maneuver.
Not arguing that it shouldn't be a combat manuever(special action...whatever), BUT I will say that this is really useful for a Cavalier's Tactician ability(they share the TWfeat with their friends) and possibly for the Inquisitor's ability (whatever it's called - they get the benefit without needing friends with said TWfeat)
The Paladin in my group is mounted, being a mounted Cavalier made this feat one of my top choices for tactician... after all mounts are allies too, so swap places applies... need to set up a charge lane anyone? ;)
Endurance (ok ok not the worst feat)
You may sleep in light or medium armor without becoming fatigued.
prereq to Diehard.
Those are/were the 2 reasons I've taken it on my Dwaven Paladin and had considered taking PrC levels in Stalwart Defender. It was mostly for theme... TANK. Also having the Lone Wolf trait(50% stabilize) and Lay on Hands, I would think I had pissed the DM off if I actually died.
All of the 'feat tree starters' are a bit on the mediocre side, they're suppose to be. The 2 that get the most use in our group are Dodge and Power Attack. Combat Expertise is often taken, rarely used. Endurance is something you usually only see Rangers with since they get it as a class feature. EDIT: And if you have/use 3.5E (and it's splat books) even Combat Reflexes and Improved Initiative were given relatively interesting feat trees over time. Despite being "oh I don't know what to take now" feats.
I almost wish the one feat out of "Open Design's - The Cavalier's Creed" would make it into 'official' rules. 'Campaigner', it has prereq. of Endurance and Diehard, allows you to sleep in Heavy Armor and some other stuff if I remember correctly. Would fill out the feat tree a bit more.
I think if I had to pick a crap feat(s)...
Point-Blank Shot
Does very little in the grand scheme of things, but is a prereq. for Precise Shot, which IS mandatory for anyone focused primarily on ranged attacks. Both of which are just "feat taxes" anyway to counter-balance the lack of being threatened in melee combat.
If I were to re-work Point-Blank Shot, I would remove the redundant damage bonus and make it so ranged attacking while threatened no long provoked attacks of opportunity, THAT would make me happy. It would also bring Ranger/Fighter/Paladin Archers with their stack of hit points and AC closer to combat, always seems like a waste of resources.
It would be a sad day if every melee character had to take 2 feats to "successfully" do their choosen job. Or every caster, etc.
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I think if I had to pick a crap feat(s)...
Point-Blank Shot
Does very little in the grand scheme of things, but is a prereq. for Precise Shot, which IS mandatory for anyone focused primarily on ranged attacks. Both of which are just "feat taxes" anyway to counter-balance the lack of being threatened in melee combat.If I were to re-work Point-Blank Shot, I would remove the redundant damage bonus and make it so ranged attacking while threatened no long provoked attacks of opportunity, THAT would make me happy. It would also bring Ranger/Fighter/Paladin Archers with their stack of hit points and AC closer to combat, always seems like a waste of resources.
It would be a sad day if every melee character had to take 2 feats to "successfully" do their choosen job. Or every caster, etc.
I've gotten a lot of use out of PBS with my alchemist. I think it's good for small-sized archers/rogues/etc., giving a damage catch-up that's not dependent on STR or size.
It's not the greatest feat in the world, but I don't think it stinks either. YMMV.