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I have heard about the CoDzilla cleric but because i wasn't around here in 3.5 i just didn't experience this thing.
So what exactly is a CoDzilla cleric?
I know that the basis is the divine metamagic feat and the persistent spell (which in 3.5 it made every spell last 24 hours by adding 2 spell slots right?)
Now what else did the CoDzilla cleric used (spells, feats, items, PrCs)? And in what books are those?
Thank you.
I have heard about the CoDzilla cleric but because i wasn't around here in 3.5 i just didn't experience this thing.
So what exactly is a CoDzilla cleric?
I know that the basis is the divine metamagic feat and the persistent spell (which in 3.5 it made every spell last 24 hours by adding 2 spell slots right?)
Now what else did the CoDzilla cleric used (spells, feats, items, PrCs)? And in what books are those?Thank you.
It stands for Cleric or Druidzilla. Basically you were the ultimate badass in combat if you took persistent spell and divine metamagic for a cleric, but I can't remember the regular way to do it with a druid besides just being a druid.
It's not as powerful in Pathfinder as it was in 3.5, definitely in two ways;
1. cleric's not longer gain heavy armor proficiency for free
2. polymorphing and shapechanging rules have changed and been nerfed (for the better)
You're still a full-to-9th caster though, so you are one of the most powerful classes in the game.
It stands for Cleric or Druidzilla. Basically you were the ultimate badass in combat if you took persistent spell and divine metamagic for a cleric, but I can't remember the regular way to do it with a druid besides just being a druid.I have heard about the CoDzilla cleric but because i wasn't around here in 3.5 i just didn't experience this thing.
So what exactly is a CoDzilla cleric?
I know that the basis is the divine metamagic feat and the persistent spell (which in 3.5 it made every spell last 24 hours by adding 2 spell slots right?)
Now what else did the CoDzilla cleric used (spells, feats, items, PrCs)? And in what books are those?Thank you.
Oh Cleric or Druid zilla, hadn't seen that, probably because i didn't know that druids had a way to get something equivalent to divine metamagic, maybe there was a feat that allowed you to use wildshape uses to get metamagic effects?
Also what spells each class was based upon? i guess righteous might was one for the clerics right?
CODzilla is more of a concept than a specific build. It refers to the general fact that in 3.5 a cleric or druid could out-fight a fighter, out-rogue a rogue and due to full ninth level spellcasting, essentially alter reality on top of doing everything else needed for the game.
The reason it was "CODzilla" instead of "COWDzilla" is because druids and clerics could wear armor (and or wildshape) and had a superior BAB progression compared with wizards. In some circles this meant that clerics and druids were slightly more powerful even than wizards, although there are ways for wizards to also use spells to become melee gods themselves.
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Anyway i am not trying to re-create it in pathfinder, i just want to know it for historical reasons and to know what to be aware of in case i find myself in a 3.5 game.
Clerics used righteous might and divine power spells, coupled with the Persistent Spell metamagic feat of 3.5, the Divine Metamagic feat of 3.5, and Nightsticks (magic item from Libris Mortis). Taken together, they cast divine power and righteous might with durations of 24 hours on themselves at the cost of some turn undead uses, then would throw a few other useful buff spells if they liked, and would then retain their spellcasting ability for the day (minus the spells they just cast) and have superior combat ability to the fighter (same hp, same BAB, same AC, higher bonuses to hit/damage from spells at the barebones minimum).
For druids? Natural Spell metamagic feat at most. Generally, 3.5 wild shape became more and more powerful automatically with the inclusion of each Monster Manual. The druid would just shapechange into something nasty and tear people apart. Creatures with pounce and rend were often chosen at lower levels. Oh, and add on an animal companion and again, fighters were rendered less than necessary.
TL;DR: Clericzilla's slightly tricky Core, but basically amounts to spending a round to buff up then wading into melee. Divine Favor (Quickened), and either Divine Power or Righteous Might. Divine Metamagic (Persistent Spell) is used if you want to make it extreme, and really make the Fighter redundant.
Druidzilla's easy. Find a Wildshape form with good strength, AC, and three or more attacks, take Natural Spell at 6th. Dump Str, Dex, and Charisma, pump Wisdom and Con. Run around with Barkskin and Greater Magic Fang all the time in wildshape. You're pretty much done.
Cleric-Zilla: Really, you can do it with straight Cleric, but PrCing doesn't really matter as long as you keep the ability to cast 6th level Cleric spells. The trick is a handy little feat called Divine Metamagic. It's found in Complete Divine, and is deceptively powerful. In brief, you blow turn attempts to apply a specific metamagic feat without increasing the spell level of the spell. Use this in tandem with the metamagic feat Persist Spell, which turns the duration for any spell with a range of Personal, Area emenation centered on you, or fixed range, to 24 hours, regardless of original duration. Then, you apply this to the spell Divine Power. This effectively gives you full BAB, D10 HD, and in short, makes you a Fighter that can also heal everyone. If you have enough turn attempts, you can combo it with Righteous Might, which increases your size one category, gives you more strength and con, and DR/Evil (or /good if you're evil). Now you're a better melee combatant than a 'tank' class. (DOESN'T WORK IN PF, AS THE CLASS MECHANICS HAVE CHANGED TO 'CHANNEL ENERGY' RATHER THAN 'TURN UNDEAD')
Druid-Zilla: Again, can be straight Druid, but this gets even more obscene with the PrC Master of Many Forms and Warshaper. Basically, this abuses Wild Shape to do the same thing Cleric Zilla does with DMM Persist, you're a better tank than a standard tank class, AND you can still cast. (DOESN'T WORK IN PF, AS POLYMORPHING AND WILDSHAPING HAVE BEEN ALTERED TO BE MORE REASONABLE)
Clerics used righteous might and divine power spells, coupled with the Persistent Spell metamagic feat of 3.5, the Divine Metamagic feat of 3.5, and Nightsticks (magic item from Libris Mortis). Taken together, they cast divine power and righteous might with durations of 24 hours on themselves at the cost of some turn undead uses, then would throw a few other useful buff spells if they liked, and would then retain their spellcasting ability for the day (minus the spells they just cast) and have superior combat ability to the fighter (same hp, same BAB, same AC, higher bonuses to hit/damage from spells at the barebones minimum).
For druids? Natural Spell metamagic feat at most. Generally, 3.5 wild shape became more and more powerful automatically with the inclusion of each Monster Manual. The druid would just shapechange into something nasty and tear people apart. Creatures with pounce and rend were often chosen at lower levels. Oh, and add on an animal companion and again, fighters were rendered less than necessary.
What cleric spell made the cleric full BAB without sacrificing their spellcasting?
I know the deal with 3.5 polymorph (and wildshape) but the later monster manuals really did that much?
If you want to see how far you can take this, google 'pun-pun'
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What cleric spell made the cleric full BAB without sacrificing their spellcasting?
I know the deal with 3.5 polymorph (and wildshape) but the later monster manuals really did that much?
Each book seemed to come out with new critters with higher natural armor scores, etc. War Trolls, I remember, were popular, for awhile, but earlier monster book options, like Solars and even Chokers (when they had that extra action every round as an Extraordinary ability) were popular.
Ok i didn't know that 3.5 version of divine power made you full BAB, well i think i begin to understand the logic behind CoDzilla.
Anyway guys keep the posts coming.
What book is Persist Spell?
That + Delay Death I believe.
What's delay death?
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The path you are on is the path that led to the end of D&D as we know it, and the creation of the abomination known as 4e.
Hahahahahahaha.
Seriously that lead to the end of 3.5? I always thought that WotC simply made as much money as they could from 3.5, for some reason they were chocked by the OGL and they decided to make a new edition.
The path you are on is the path that led to the end of D&D as we know it, and the creation of the abomination known as 4e.Hahahahahahaha.
Seriously that lead to the end of 3.5? I always thought that WotC simply made as much money as they could from 3.5, for some reason they were chocked by the OGL and they decided to make a new edition.
CODzilla was the extreme manifestation of the fundamental imbalance issue that drove WotC to decide to create an entirely new game instead of trying to "fix" all the problems in 3.5. Pathfinder attempted to fix them. The result is that 4e is wholly devoted to the goal of "balance" in all things, while PF is still more like original D&D, with some nerfs on clerics and druids (and wizards as well) while also beefing up melee classes. How well they did is an ongoing and open debate.
Much of the problem with 3.5 was the explosion of splat books with insane feats, spells, abilities and monsters which synergized into (literal) monsters. There is some concern being expressed that PF is starting to fall into that same trap.
Insofar as the explosion of stat books was driven by a desire to make money, I suppose you have a point, but that's not really the driving issue behind the abandonment of the D&D legacy by WotC.
A spell that allows you to keep standing and fight even when you are into low negatives like - 90 hp, and not die ... as long as your hps are back to a normal level when the spell ends.What book is Persist Spell?
What's delay death?
That + Delay Death I believe.
What book is that in?
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What book is that in?A spell that allows you to keep standing and fight even when you are into low negatives like - 90 hp, and not die ... as long as your hps are back to a normal level when the spell ends.What book is Persist Spell?
What's delay death?
That + Delay Death I believe.
Spell Compendium
Another question:
The feat divine metamagic says:
"When you take this feat, choose a metamagic feat. This feat applies only to that metamagic feat."
Does that mean that i can apply the effect to a metamagic feat i know or any metamagic feat i want?
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I have heard about the CoDzilla cleric but because i wasn't around here in 3.5 i just didn't experience this thing.
So what exactly is a CoDzilla cleric?
I know that the basis is the divine metamagic feat and the persistent spell (which in 3.5 it made every spell last 24 hours by adding 2 spell slots right?)
Now what else did the CoDzilla cleric used (spells, feats, items, PrCs)? And in what books are those?Thank you.
The old joke about CoDzilla was that it was the easiest power build to do in actual play:
1. Get a fresh character sheet for your new character.
2. Under "Class" write "cleric" or "druid"
3. Done!
Druids were especially powerful in point buy scenarios once they got shapechanging because of the way polymorphing worked. Physical stats of the monster were used instead of the bonuses that are now given to the shapechanger's base stats. This meant that druids could tough out the low levels with terrible physical stats, relying on the AC and spells, and then they would have far superior stats once they spent all day shapechanged.
Spell CompendiumWhat book is that in?A spell that allows you to keep standing and fight even when you are into low negatives like - 90 hp, and not die ... as long as your hps are back to a normal level when the spell ends.What book is Persist Spell?
What's delay death?
That + Delay Death I believe.
Just looked this up. According to the spell description, Delay Death does not prevent you from entering a Dying state when reduced to -1 hp, it just prevents dying at -9 hp or lower until the end of the duration of the spell. It doesn't allow a character to keep standing and fighting on its own, they'd need to have some power/spell/ability that allowed them to keep fighting in negative hitpoints anyway.
The spell does not prevent the subject from entering the dying state by dropping to -1 hit points. It merely prevents death as a result of hit point loss.
Delay Death also has a target of one creature and a range of Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels). I haven't read the Persistent Spell feat but the description someone gave for it in a post above makes it sound like it only applies to spells with a range of Personal/Self, not general buff spells.
Delay Death also has a duration of 1 round/level. It sounds like this spell was being misused or misapplied unless there as some other magic going on to change its function.
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Druids were especially powerful in point buy scenarios once they got shapechanging because of the way polymorphing worked. Physical stats of the monster were used instead of the bonuses that are now given to the shapechanger's base stats. This meant that druids could tough out the low levels with terrible physical stats, relying on the AC and spells, and then they would have far superior stats once they spent all day shapechanged.
Which is why is was so weird to see Synthesist Summoners fall into exactly the same trap... only worse, because they can do it from level 1...
Druids were especially powerful in point buy scenarios once they got shapechanging because of the way polymorphing worked. Physical stats of the monster were used instead of the bonuses that are now given to the shapechanger's base stats. This meant that druids could tough out the low levels with terrible physical stats, relying on the AC and spells, and then they would have far superior stats once they spent all day shapechanged.Which is why is was so weird to see Synthesist Summoners fall into exactly the same trap... only worse, because they can do it from level 1...
I think that it's not the same situation for two reasons:
1)From what i have heard the extra MM presented very powerful monsters so i don't think that the eidolon is the same thing.2)When the eidolon's hp (your temporary hp) go to zero the eidolon goes away.
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Druids were especially powerful in point buy scenarios once they got shapechanging because of the way polymorphing worked. Physical stats of the monster were used instead of the bonuses that are now given to the shapechanger's base stats. This meant that druids could tough out the low levels with terrible physical stats, relying on the AC and spells, and then they would have far superior stats once they spent all day shapechanged.Which is why is was so weird to see Synthesist Summoners fall into exactly the same trap... only worse, because they can do it from level 1...I think that it's not the same situation for two reasons:
1)From what i have heard the extra MM presented very powerful monsters so i don't think that the eidolon is the same thing.
2)When the eidolon's hp (your temporary hp) go to zero the eidolon goes away.
Actually, Synthesists get to keep their eidolon around by sacrificing their own HP.
What Balances them out is that they are subject to all of the problems an eidolon has, such as being subject to "Banish", and that they're limited to one set of actions instead of the two normally afforded to the Summoner... not to mention being forced to use certain eidolon limitations (such as BAB, etc.).
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Druids were especially powerful in point buy scenarios once they got shapechanging because of the way polymorphing worked. Physical stats of the monster were used instead of the bonuses that are now given to the shapechanger's base stats. This meant that druids could tough out the low levels with terrible physical stats, relying on the AC and spells, and then they would have far superior stats once they spent all day shapechanged.Which is why is was so weird to see Synthesist Summoners fall into exactly the same trap... only worse, because they can do it from level 1...I think that it's not the same situation for two reasons:
1)From what i have heard the extra MM presented very powerful monsters so i don't think that the eidolon is the same thing.
2)When the eidolon's hp (your temporary hp) go to zero the eidolon goes away.Actually, Synthesists get to keep their eidolon around by sacrificing their own HP.
What Balances them out is that they are subject to all of the problems an eidolon has, such as being subject to "Banish", and that they're limited to one set of actions instead of the two normally afforded to the Summoner... not to mention being forced to use certain eidolon limitations (such as BAB, etc.).
You are correct sir, Synthesists are limited in more ways than a regular summoner , they just make a stronger central character instead the of big creature and (due to all the optimization threads I have seen and read over intently) squishy caster combo. Now BaB actually isnt a limiter, its a boon, much like the monks Bab during flurry; though it only ends up being one higher than a summoners Bab anyway. Either way they are no 3.5 Druid.
Besides, Codzilla was way weaker than any char I made, especially my ninja char ehehe
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Actually, Synthesists get to keep their eidolon around by sacrificing their own HP.What Balances them out is that they are subject to all of the problems an eidolon has, such as being subject to "Banish", and that they're limited to one set of actions instead of the two normally afforded to the Summoner... not to mention being forced to use certain eidolon limitations (such as BAB, etc.).
The being subject to banish thing is not actually a real limitation. Banish is a will save. If you are properly built, you should have only a 5% chance of failing a will save(good will saves, ability to focus on mental stats, class gives a 2-4 circumstance bonus to saves, access to heroism). Considering there are other will save spells that also take you out of the fight, I do not see this as a major change in circumstances for a summoner.
Also, for the eidolon bab limitation isn't a major one unless you want to multiclass(which people might want to do technically). eidolon bab follows closely with a synthesists regular bab progression.
So basically, you lose a set of actions each turn in exchange for a major defensive upgrade.
I'm curious, How does it affect Multi-classing? Seems just like Monks Flurry Ability or any ability based on a class..Sub the bonuses/minuses from class..add other classes. Viola! So A Fighter 19/ Synthesist 1 would still have a 20 Bab while fused and a 19 will not... the issue I will see is more along the lines of stats.
I'm curious, How does it affect Multi-classing? Seems just like Monks Flurry Ability or any ability based on a class..Sub the bonuses/minuses from class..add other classes. Viola! So A Fighter 19/ Synthesist 1 would still have a 20 Bab while fused and a 19 will not... the issue I will see is more along the lines of stats.
Actually, Synthesists get to keep their eidolon around by sacrificing their own HP.What Balances them out is that they are subject to all of the problems an eidolon has, such as being subject to "Banish", and that they're limited to one set of actions instead of the two normally afforded to the Summoner... not to mention being forced to use certain eidolon limitations (such as BAB, etc.).
The being subject to banish thing is not actually a real limitation. Banish is a will save. If you are properly built, you should have only a 5% chance of failing a will save(good will saves, ability to focus on mental stats, class gives a 2-4 circumstance bonus to saves, access to heroism). Considering there are other will save spells that also take you out of the fight, I do not see this as a major change in circumstances for a summoner.
Also, for the eidolon bab limitation isn't a major one unless you want to multiclass(which people might want to do technically). eidolon bab follows closely with a synthesists regular bab progression.
So basically, you lose a set of actions each turn in exchange for a major defensive upgrade.
I think that synthesists use the eidolon's BAB.
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Synzilla...
Use point-buy method.
Dump all three physicals to 7 (saving 12 points).
Take venerable age, dropping all three physicals to 1 each, but bumping all three mentals by 3 each.
Be a Synthesist Summoner and only unfuse to sleep.
Minimum hit points per Hit Die = 1.
Con boost from 1 to 13 (when fused) = +12 Con = +6 hit points per Hit Die.
Basic hit points per level = 7 (+1 per level every time you bump the eidolon's Con by 2).
Bonus hit points (such as favoured class, or Toughness) stack on top of this.
Level 20 hit points, with eidolon Con at 21 (Ability Increase evolution x4) = (levels 11x20) + favoured class (20) + Toughness (20) = 260. Plus eidolon's own hit points (10.5x15) = 157.5. Total hit points = 417.5, rounded down to 417. Before using any other magic.
The rest, to be honest, is gravy.
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I think that synthesists use the eidolon's BAB.I'm curious, How does it affect Multi-classing? Seems just like Monks Flurry Ability or any ability based on a class..Sub the bonuses/minuses from class..add other classes. Viola! So A Fighter 19/ Synthesist 1 would still have a 20 Bab while fused and a 19 will not... the issue I will see is more along the lines of stats.
Actually, Synthesists get to keep their eidolon around by sacrificing their own HP.What Balances them out is that they are subject to all of the problems an eidolon has, such as being subject to "Banish", and that they're limited to one set of actions instead of the two normally afforded to the Summoner... not to mention being forced to use certain eidolon limitations (such as BAB, etc.).
The being subject to banish thing is not actually a real limitation. Banish is a will save. If you are properly built, you should have only a 5% chance of failing a will save(good will saves, ability to focus on mental stats, class gives a 2-4 circumstance bonus to saves, access to heroism). Considering there are other will save spells that also take you out of the fight, I do not see this as a major change in circumstances for a summoner.
Also, for the eidolon bab limitation isn't a major one unless you want to multiclass(which people might want to do technically). eidolon bab follows closely with a synthesists regular bab progression.
So basically, you lose a set of actions each turn in exchange for a major defensive upgrade.
They do, but remember you are not JUST a synthesist, your a Synthesist/Somethingorother Meaning everything on your Synthesist side would change then you would add your somethingorother on top of that
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They do, but remember you are not JUST a synthesist, your a Synthesist/Somethingorother Meaning everything on your Synthesist side would change then you would add your somethingorother on top of that
Here's the thing...
The synthesist uses the eidolon’s base attack bonus, and gains the eidolon’s armor and natural armor bonuses and modifiers to ability scores. The synthesist also gains access to the eidolon’s special abilities and the eidolon’s evolutions.
Whatever the intention of the writer of the archetype, it reads like the Eidolon's BAB replaces, not adds to, the synthesist's total. Since it explicitly separates BAB out with 'uses' but notes that armor and natural armor bonuses are 'gained', your Synthesist 1/Fighter 19 would have a BAB of 1 while fused, RAW. That whole archetype is a mess of poorly written contradictions.
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They do, but remember you are not JUST a synthesist, your a Synthesist/Somethingorother Meaning everything on your Synthesist side would change then you would add your somethingorother on top of thatHere's the thing...
The synthesist uses the eidolon’s base attack bonus, and gains the eidolon’s armor and natural armor bonuses and modifiers to ability scores. The synthesist also gains access to the eidolon’s special abilities and the eidolon’s evolutions.Whatever the intention of the writer of the archetype, it reads like the Eidolon's BAB replaces, not adds to, the synthesist's total. Since it explicitly separates BAB out with 'uses' but notes that armor and natural armor bonuses are 'gained', your Synthesist 1/Fighter 19 would have a BAB of 1 while fused, RAW. That whole archetype is a mess of poorly written contradictions.
Sigh... RAW said the exact same thing about the monk, would you Argue that it is any different? Also Key word there was Sythesists Total, You are not Just a synthesists, As I have said. Your Synthesist Bab is 0, it would replace that 0 and make it 1.
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Sigh... RAW said the exact same thing about the monk, would you Argue that it is any different? Also Key word there was Sythesists Total, You are not Just a synthesists, As I have said. Your Synthesist Bab is 0, it would replace that 0 and make it 1.
*shrug* I'm not arguing anything - I personally feel it's a silly reading of the rules and would disregard it in a GMing situation, but I see the point of those who interpret it the other way. There's so much 'up in the air' with that archetype (figuring BAB, applicability of worn armor the while fused, how certain evolutions apply to the synthesist, etc) that I wouldn't chance playing one without first talking to my GM to get him to house rule answers to all of the questions UM left broadly open to interpretation, though.
This is the original quote, and I can't find who posted it (after several pages of several searches on Google, but this was on tvtropes):
-> ''"It bears saying: if up against a logic-impervious DM who thinks Core is balanced and Psionics isn't, then the most powerful way to disprove that is to play a C.o.D. (Cleric or Druid). Noncore material will not be necessary unless you are going for pure overkill. So by all means, if you must win that argument, take you C.o.D. to town. Annihilate the opposition. Make the {{NPC}}s and other players scream "Oh no, it's C.o.D.zilla!!!!!" in badly dubbed English. Breathe radioactive fire. Knock down buildings. Then stomp out of the burning Tokyo that is the ruins of the game and swim off into the ocean, seeking a DM with some basic cognitive functions."''
It was based on the original spell descriptions before errata (where Divine Favor and Divine Power and Righteous Might gave some sweet enhancements), and the Natural Spell feat and Wildshape Armor gave very good bonuses. As far as I can tell. I was never a huge proponent of this, except to learn what to discourage as a GM. My group is not really a group of powergamers, but accidents happen.
AJ
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Just looked this up. According to the spell description, Delay Death does not prevent you from entering a Dying state when reduced to -1 hp, it just prevents dying at -9 hp or lower until the end of the duration of the spell. It doesn't allow a character to keep standing and fighting on its own, they'd need to have some power/spell/ability that allowed them to keep fighting in negative hitpoints anyway.
Delay Death also has a target of one creature and a range of Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels). I haven't read the Persistent Spell feat but the description someone gave for it in a post above makes it sound like it only applies to spells with a range of Personal/Self, not general buff spells.
Delay Death also has a duration of 1 round/level. It sounds like this spell was being misused or misapplied unless there as some other magic going on to change its function.
Unless you also have Endurance + Diehard. Then it's not a problem at all. the range and duration are also pretty OK to me.
Most people used the spell Beastland Ferocity to stay up, no need to waste feats.
If you are interested in 3.5 optimization feel free to visit
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?board=9.0
as they've kept most of the relevant 3.5 threads and handbooks from the now defunct wizards of the coast boards alive and you can enjoy walking through memory lane of all the craziness. Treantmonk guides in the handbooks section make me smile
Thank you for the link Glutton.
Another question:
The feat divine metamagic says:
"When you take this feat, choose a metamagic feat. This feat applies only to that metamagic feat."
Does that mean that i can apply the effect to a metamagic feat i know or any metamagic feat i want?
Bumping the question.
Thank you for the link Glutton.
Bumping the question.Another question:
The feat divine metamagic says:
"When you take this feat, choose a metamagic feat. This feat applies only to that metamagic feat."
Does that mean that i can apply the effect to a metamagic feat i know or any metamagic feat i want?
The errata (for Complete Divine, yes?) changes it to something like "choose a metamagic feat you know".
The errata (for Complete Divine, yes?) changes it to something like "choose a metamagic feat you know".Thank you for the link Glutton.
Bumping the question.Another question:
The feat divine metamagic says:
"When you take this feat, choose a metamagic feat. This feat applies only to that metamagic feat."
Does that mean that i can apply the effect to a metamagic feat i know or any metamagic feat i want?
Oh so it was errata'd?
CoDzilla seems to have stopped posting since the beginning of February. ^^
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I believe you are just doing it as an example right.
More of a 'warning' to fellow DMs for the sort of thing to look out for... ;)
This is a bad idea for regular play though. You may make yourself slightly more badass but on that 5% you fail the important save, your hit points are going to flat line.
As an example, Synzilla gets these Ability Scores on a 15 point buy, at level 1, when fused...
Strength 16 (biped eidolon)
Dexterity 12 (biped eidolon)
Constitution 15 (biped eidolon + 2pt evolution)
Intelligence 17 (14 from point buy +3 age)
Wisdom 17 (14 from point buy +3 from age)
Charisma 23 (18 from point buy +2 racial bonus +3 from age)
That's more than 61 points worth of Ability Scores if any other character wanted those scores. 'Slightly' more badass? I'll let you be the judge... :)
It makes it so that the DM has fewer options for dealing with you than just killing you.
Well, the DM basically has the same two options which kill anyone - murder Synzilla in his sleep, or target him with guys designed specifically to kill him. So yeah, DM dropping rocks kills him just fine...
If you ever tap your hp to keep your eidolon alive, I think it will be dangerous.
Not really, as you can do so all day with no problems. 'Word of god' is that the fused synthesist gets healed as if all his Hit Points (eidolon and Summoner) were just one big stack of Hit Points, so you've actually got more healing options than anyone else (Rejuvinate Eidolon on top of all the usual stuff).
I suspect it is safer to optimize your mental stats alittle less. I would say do not dump your con and only push it to old age. That is just my opinion though.
Rookie mistake my friend! Part of the twink of Synzilla is that the lower his base Con, the more Hit Points he gets. It comes down to how the rules for minimum Hit Points per Hit Die (i.e. you always get at least 1 Hit Point per Hit Die), and the rules for what happens when Ability Scores are boosted, interact. Synzilla wants to biggest gap possible between his 'base' Con and his 'fused' Con to maximise the benefits. With the example Ability Score array for a 15pt buy level 1 Synzilla above, the guy gets +14 Con when fused, which means +7 Hit Points per Hit Die. Getting the max on his d8 Hit Die, -5 for having Con 1, means at level 1 he gets 3 Hit Points (unfused) and 3+7=10 Hit Points (Summoner), plus 5.5 rounded down to 5 for average on a d10 Hit Die, +2 for Con = 7 Hit Points (eidolon), for a total of 17 Hit Points (fused). Add 3 for Toughness and 1 for favoured class bonus and our level 1 Synzilla gets 21 Hit Points. Booyah! ;P
What's more, you actually only need to take a single level dip in Synthesist to do this. Additional levels make your fused form even more badass™, but for the basic twink package deal on Ability Scores and level 1 Hit Points the first level is all you need. Switch the Intelligence and Charisma scores in the example profile and take the rest of your levels in Wizard... job done.
It's even got solid role-play potential (old codger who turns into a superhero to go adventuring), and is perfectly rules-legal, no matter what we'd all end up house-ruling to get rid of the thing...
Basically, any time a points-buy system uses the phrase 'replaces your Ability Scores' instead of 'modifies your Ability Scores' alarm bells should start ringing, as it's catnip to the min-max crowd. It's not even a new concept - anyone remember good old Str 18(00) Gauntlets of Orge Power from back in the day? Same thing, writ big...
CoDzilla seems to have stopped posting since the beginning of February. ^^
What?
I didn't get that.
CoDzilla seems to have stopped posting since the beginning of February. ^^What?
I didn't get that.
There was a user here named CoDzilla, but he left.