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Str: 18
Dex: 20
Con: 13
Int: 18
Wis: 9
Cha: 16Without gear that would be:
STR 16
INT 16
WIS 07
DEX 18
CON 11
CHA 14Right? So you started with:
STR 16
INT 14 (+2 racial)
WIS 07
DEX 14 (+2 racial, +2 level)
CON 13 (-2 racial)
CHA 14So this is a 24pt buy? Or is my math off somewhere?
It's always nicer if breakdowns are included so that one does not need to deconstruct like this (and likely make a mistake somewhere while doing so).
Sadly I'm also having issues reading the skills even though you do have break down numbers there... if I'm reading it right then perhaps you had a 20INT at one point? You seem to be doing ranks + class + stat for the first 3 numbers, but you have an 18INT not a 20.
-James
If you are doing a 20 point buy and you drop a stat to 7 that gives you 24 points to work with, in fact I was only able to spend 23 points.
I started at the following:
str:14 (+2 Belt) 16
dex:14 (+2 racial, +2 Belt, +2 level) 20
con:13 (+2 Belt, -2 racial)
int:14 (+2 racial, +2 Headband) 18
wis:7 (+2 Headband) 9
cha:14 (+2 Headband) 16
So it should be a 16 strength and not an 18.
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Here are the corrections.
“Caleb Brightmore”
5th level elven Bladebound Magus / 5th level Paladin (Lawful Good)
Str: 16
Dex: 20
Con: 13
Int: 18
Wis: 9
Cha: 16
HP: 5d8 + 5 (5 Favored Class) 5d10 + 5
AC: 25 (10 + 5 Dex + 8 (+4 Chain Shirt) + 1 (+1 Ring of Amulet of Nat Armor +1) +1 (Ring of Protection +1) = 25
AC with Smite Evil: 27
Touch: 16 (19 with Smite Evil)
Flat-footed: 19 (22 with Smite Evil)
Fort: +14
Ref: + 12
Will: +12
Traits: Magical Knack (+2 caster level on Magus) and Optimistic Gambler (Effects that grant you morale bonuses persist 1d4 rounds longer than they normally would as a result.)
Feats: Intensified Spell, Weapon Finesse, Extra Arcane Pool, Power Attack, Skill Focus (Survival), Eldritch Heritage (Orc),
Race: (Elf): Low-Light Vision: Elves can see twice as far as humans in conditions of dim light.
Elven Immunities: Elves are immune to magic sleep effects and get a +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects.
Elven Magic: Elves receive a +2 racial bonus on caster level checks made to overcome spell resistance.
In addition, elves receive a +2 racial bonus on Spellcraft skill checks made to identify the properties of
magic items.
Keen Senses: Elves receive a +2 racial bonus on Perception skill checks.
Weapon Familiarity: Elves are proficient with longbows (including composite longbows), longswords,
rapiers, and shortbows (including composite shortbows), and treat any weapon with the word “elven” in its name as a martial weapon.
Languages: Elves begin play speaking Common and Elven. Elves with high Intelligence scores can choose
from the following: Celestial, Draconic, Gnoll, Gnome, Goblin, Orc, and Sylvan.
Class: (Magus Bladebound): Arcane Pool (8), Cantrips, Spell Combat, Spellstrike, Spell Recall, Bonus Feat, Black Blade,
Bloodline Powers: You are heir to the bestial power of the great orc warlords of the past. You feel their rage in your blood, and must take care lest the urge to despoil and destroy consumes you.
Touch of Rage (Sp): At 1st level, you can touch a creature as a standard action, giving it a morale bonus on attack rolls, damage rolls, and Will saving throws equal to 1/2 your sorcerer level (minimum 1) for 1d4 + 1 rounds. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier.
Black Blade: Rapier
• Enhancement bonus (+ 2)
• Intelligence 12
• Wis/Cha 8
• Ego 8
• Alertness
• Black Blade Strike
• Telepathy
• Unbreakable
• Energy Attunement
• Black Blade Arcane Pool (2)
• Languages (Common and Elven)
• Knowledge Arcana ( +2)
• Senses
Paladin: Aura of Good, Detect Evil, Smite Evil 2/day, Divine Grace, Lay on Hands (5/day), Aura of Courage, Divine Health, Mercy, Channel Positive Energy (3d6 DC 15 6/day), Divine Bond, Spells,
Paladin Spells: 1st
• Divine Favor
• Bless
Magus Spells:
• 0: Arcane Mark, Acid Splash, Detect Magic, Disrupt Undead
• 1st: Shield, Shocking Grasp x2, Ray of Enfeeblement, True Strike,
• 2nd: Intensified Shocking Grasp x2, Mirror Image
Attack: Black Blade +2 Rapier: + 15 1d6 + 5 18-20 x2
• Black Blade +1 keen rapier: +14 1d6 + 4 15-20 x2
• Black Blade +1 keen, flaming(or Frost, Shock) rapier(Divine Bond): +14 1d6 + 4 + 1d6 (Fire) 15-20 x2
• Black Blade +2 keen rapier (Divine Bond): +15 1d6 + 5 15-20 x2
• Black Blade +1 keen, frost rapier(Divine Bond): +18 (Smite Evil) 1d6 + 4 + 1d6 (Cold) + 5 (Smite Evil 15-20 x2
• Black Blade + 1 keen, frost rapier(Divine Bond): +25 (Smite Evil + Touch of Rage + Arcane Pool) 1d6 + 4 + 1d6 (Cold) + 5 (Smite Evil) + 7d6 (Shocking Grasp) + 1 (Black Blade Strike) + 5 (Touch of Rage) + 1 (Divine Favor) + 2 (Arcane Pool) 15-20 x2
• There are lots of different combinations with this build but the above are a few.
Skills:
• Climb: 2 + 3 + 4 – 1 = + 8
• Knowledge: (Arcana): 4 + 3 + 5 = + 12
• Knowledge: (Planes): 3 + 3 + 5 = + 11
• Spellcraft: 3 + 3 + 5 + 2 + 2(Favored Class) = +15
• Use Magic Device:3 + 3 + 3(Favored Class) + 3 = + 12
• Fly: 1 + 3 + 5 - 1 = + 9
• Knowledge:(Dungeoneering): 3 + 3 + 5 = + 11
• Diplomacy: 4 + 3 + 3 = + 10
• Knowledge:(Religion): 4 + 3 + 5 = + 12
• Ride:3 + 3 + 5 - 1 = + 10
• Sense Motive: 5 + 3 – 1 = + 7
• Perception:6 + 2 – 1 = + 7
• Stealth: 4 + 5 – 1 = + 8
• Survival: 1 + 3 + - 1 = + 3
Gear: +4 mithral chain shirt, Headband of Mental Superiority +2, Belt of Physical Perfection +2, Amulet of Natural Armor + 1, Pearl of Power 1st x2, Cloak of Resistance + 2, Ring of Protection + 1,
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• Knowledge: (Arcana): 4 + 3 + 5 = + 12
• Knowledge: (Planes): 3 + 3 + 5 = + 11Where do the +5s come from?
Also I don't know what the headband skills are, as I don't think you have any skills at max ranks. Are they not listed at all?
-James
I actually didn't add any skill ranks from the headband, I forgot about them actually.
I also see that I didn't do anything with Power Attack.
• Climb: 2(ranks) + 3(Str) + 3(Trained) – 1 = + 7
• Knowledge: (Arcana): 5(ranks) + 3(trained) + 4(Int) = + 12
• Knowledge: (Planes): 3(ranks) + 3(trained) + 4(Int) = + 10
• Spellcraft: 4(ranks) + 3(ranks) + 4(Int) + 2(racial) + 2(Favored Class) = +15
• Use Magic Device:4(ranks) + 3(trained) + 3(Favored Class) + 3(Cha) = + 13
• Fly: 1(ranks) + 3(trained) + 5(Dex) - 1(Armor Check) = + 9
• Knowledge:(Dungeoneering): 3(ranks) + 3(trained) + 4(Int) = + 10
• Diplomacy: 4(ranks) + 3(trained) + 3(Cha) = + 10
• Knowledge:(Religion): 4(ranks) + 3(trained) + 4(Int) = + 11
• Ride:3(ranks) + 3(trained) + 5(Dex) - 1(Armor Check) = + 10
• Sense Motive: 5(ranks) + 3(trained) – 1(Wis) = + 7
• Perception:6(Ranks) + 2(Alertness) – 1(Wis) = + 7
• Stealth: 4(ranks) + 5(dex) – 1(Armor check) = + 8
• Survival: 1(ranks) + 3(Skill Focus) + - 1(Wis) = + 3
I had 54 total skill ranks to spend and then 5 from favored class.
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So in regards to using a Arcane Pool point to give weapons bonuses, when a point is spent are you able to (as long as it doesn't go past +5) give multiple bonuses? So could I give my Black Blade flaming and frost? And if so would it be a Black Blade of Flaming Frost +5 or Black Blade of Flaming Frost +3 (due to both only costing +1)?
It would be Black Blade of Flaming Frost +3. You pay for the frost with what it would normally cost you to enchant it. Flaming Burst, for example, would cost you a +2.
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Bit of trouble getting this up. Works now.
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I had 54 total skill ranks to spend and then 5 from favored class.I count 49 ranks spent.
You have 50 ranks before favored class and headband. (2base for either the magus or the paladin and 3 from INT x 10 levels=50).
I'd go with survival in the headband, that way you can get the most out of the skill focus that you're stuck with... and +15 before magic can get a decent number of tracking DCs.
I'd also suggest that you consolidate a little bit more in that there are a few skills there that you don't need as high and others that you'd likely wish higher.
Also, now looking at where you have the black blade listed.. it's always at least +2, right?
-James
I will have to go back and make a few more corrections.
Normally the blade is at +2 but with Arcane Pool I can make it a +1 keen weapon, or a +1 frost etc... Now with Divine Bond, I can add an extra +1 or I can add flame etc...
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I have updated and made some corrections. James says that I need to take away from a few skills and put more in others. Which ones should I work on?
“Caleb Brightmore”
5th level elven Bladebound Magus / 5th level Paladin (Lawful Good)
Str: 16
Dex: 20
Con: 13
Int: 18
Wis: 9
Cha: 16
HP: 5d8 + 5 (5 Favored Class) 5d10 + 5
AC: 25 (10 + 5 Dex + 8 (+4 Chain Shirt) + 1 (+1 Ring of Amulet of Nat Armor +1) +1 (Ring of Protection +1) = 25
AC with Smite Evil: 27
Touch: 16 (19 with Smite Evil)
Flat-footed: 19 (22 with Smite Evil)
Fort: +14
Ref: + 12
Will: +12
Initiative: +5
Speed: 30ft
Traits: Magical Knack (+2 caster level on Magus) and Optimistic Gambler (Effects that grant you morale bonuses persist 1d4 rounds longer than they normally would as a result.)
Feats: Intensified Spell, Weapon Finesse, Extra Arcane Pool, Power Attack, Skill Focus (Survival), Eldritch Heritage (Orc),
Race: (Elf): Low-Light Vision: Elves can see twice as far as humans in conditions of dim light.
Elven Immunities: Elves are immune to magic sleep effects and get a +2 racial saving throw bonus against enchantment spells and effects.
Elven Magic: Elves receive a +2 racial bonus on caster level checks made to overcome spell resistance.
In addition, elves receive a +2 racial bonus on Spellcraft skill checks made to identify the properties of
magic items.
Keen Senses: Elves receive a +2 racial bonus on Perception skill checks.
Weapon Familiarity: Elves are proficient with longbows (including composite longbows), longswords,
rapiers, and shortbows (including composite shortbows), and treat any weapon with the word “elven” in
its name as a martial weapon.
Languages: Elves begin play speaking Common and Elven. Elves with high Intelligence scores can choose
from the following: Celestial, Draconic, Gnoll, Gnome, Goblin, Orc, and Sylvan.
Class:(Magus Bladebound): Arcane Pool (8), Cantrips, Spell Combat, Spellstrike, Spell Recall, Bonus Feat, Black Blade,
Bloodline Powers: You are heir to the bestial power of the great orc warlords of the past. You feel their rage in your blood, and must take care lest the urge to despoil and destroy consumes you.
Touch of Rage(Sp): At 1st level, you can touch a creature as a standard action, giving it a morale bonus on attack rolls, damage rolls, and Will saving throws equal to 1/2 your sorcerer level (minimum 1) for 1d4 + 1 rounds. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier.
Black Blade: Rapier
• Enhancement bonus (+ 2)
• Intelligence 12
• Wis/Cha 8
• Ego 8
• Alertness
• Black Blade Strike
• Telepathy
• Unbreakable
• Energy Attunement
• Black Blade Arcane Pool (2)
• Languages (Common and Elven)
• Knowledge Arcana ( +2)
• Senses
Paladin: Aura of Good, Detect Evil, Smite Evil 2/day, Divine Grace, Lay on Hands (5/day), Aura of Courage, Divine Health, Mercy, Channel Positive Energy (3d6 DC 15 6/day), Divine Bond, Spells,
Paladin Spells:
• 1st: Divine Power, Bless
Magus Spells:
• 0: Arcane Mark, Acid Splash, Detect Magic, Disrupt Undead
• 1st: Shield, Shocking Grasp x2, Ray of Enfeeblement, True Strike,
• 2nd: Intensified Shocking Grasp x2, Mirror Image
Attack: Black Blade +2 Rapier: + 15 1d6 + 5 + 6(Power Attack) 18-20 x2
• Black Blade +1 keen rapier: +14 1d6 + 4 + 6(Power Attack) 15-20 x2
• Black Blade +1 keen, flaming(or Frost, Shock) rapier(Divine Bond): +14 1d6 + 4 + 6(Power Attack) + 1d6 (Fire) 15-20 x2
• Black Blade +2 keen rapier (Divine Bond): +15 1d6 + 5 + 6(Power Attack) 15-20 x2
• Black Blade +1 keen, frost rapier(Divine Bond): +18 (Smite Evil) 1d6 + 4 + 6(Power Attack) + 1d6 (Cold) + 5 (Smite Evil 15-20 x2
• Black Blade + 1 keen, frost rapier(Divine Bond): +25 (Smite Evil + Touch of Rage + Arcane Pool) 1d6 + 4 + (6 Power Attack) + 1d6 (Cold) + 5 (Smite Evil) + 7d6 (Shocking Grasp) + 1 (Black Blade Strike) + 5 (Touch of Rage) + 1 (Divine Favor) + 2 (Arcane Pool) 15-20 x2
Skills:
• Climb: 2(ranks) + 3(trained) + 3(Str mod) – 1(armor penalty) = + 7
• Knowledge: (Arcana): 4(ranks) + 3(trained) + 4(Int mod) = + 11
• Knowledge: (Planes): 3(ranks) + 3(trained) + 4(Int mod) = + 10
• Spellcraft: 3(ranks) + 3(trained) + 4(Int mod) + 2(racial) + 2(favored class) = +14
• Use Magic Device: 4(ranks) + 3(trained) + 3(Cha mod) + 3(favored class) = + 13
• Fly: 1(ranks) + 3(trained) + 5(Dex mod) – 1(armor penalty) = + 9
• Knowledge:(Dungeoneering): 3(ranks) + 3(trained) + 4(Int mod) = + 10
• Diplomacy: 4(ranks) + 3(trained) + 3(Cha mod) = + 10
• Knowledge:(Religion): 4(ranks) + 3(trained) + 4(Int mod) = + 11
• Ride: 3(ranks) + 3(trained) + 5(Dex mod) – 1(armor penalty) = + 10
• Sense Motive: 5(ranks) + 3(trained) – 1(armor penalty) = + 7
• Perception: 6(ranks) + 2(Alertness feat) – 1(Wis mod) = + 7
• Stealth: 4(ranks) + 5(Dex mod) – 1(armor penalty) = + 8
• Survival: 10(headband ranks) + 3(Skill Focus) – 1(Wis mod) = + 12
Gear: +4 mithral chain shirt, Headband of Mental Superiority +2(Survival), Belt of Physical Perfection +2, Amulet of Natural Armor + 1, Pearl of Power 1st x2, Cloak of Resistance + 2, Ring of Protection + 1,
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I was looking at the hexcrafter guide, sv pacific ally how magi do not have good SoS spells. I think we have a decent couple (web, black tentacles, flesh to stone...) since we have less intelligence than what a full wizard or sorcerer might have, the DCs are a little low. Is there a magus way to jack up the DC?
First off, great guide. It has helped me a lot.
now on to the questions...
I am currently playing a level 3 (just hit 3, so thats the question) Human, Bladebound Kensai.
He is wielding a Katana and I went strength based.
The character sheet can be found HERE
I had planed on taking PA at 3rd level.
**It is worth pointing out a few things here before we go on
1. This is a PFS character
2. I always play with my wife's sorcerer (mage armor, prot evil, etc...)
However the more I look at it I am thinking I may want to take dodge at 3rd then make my 5th character level Unarmed fighter
That grants me IUS and a style feat with no pre-reqs.
I could take crane style as my level 5 feat, then crane wing as my bonus feat.
that would net me a
+1 AC (dodge)
+3 AC (Crane style)
+1 AC (3 ranks in acro)
total of +5 AC and can deflect one attack a round.
however that puts a lot of stuff off for a level, also that is another -2 to hit, add that to the -2 for spellcombat and that hurts.
I could then pick up PA as my level 5 magus feat but I am then at -6 to hit total. thats not good.
Anyway, what do you think?
Anyway, what do you think?I think power attack is overrated for a magus.
As to the AC.. what is your AC sitting at without this investment?
-James
Well thats the thing, its not that bad.
Kensai dont get to use armor of any kind.
So at level 3 I have..
+2 Dex
+2 Int (Kensai adds Int up to their level, I have a +2)
+4 Mage armor (Wife casts it), if not then its +1 from a Harakami
So 18 (or 15 w/o Mage armor)
With this I would be at 23 (or 20 w/o Mage armor)
And I could deflect onece a round.
So the AC bump will really help.
But thats a level less spells and -2 to hit.
Also no PA.
I am really torn, and I have to decide today, as I play him on Sat :(
Your wisdom and charisma being a 7 might cause a bit of an issue with your weapon once you get a few levels (IIRC on intelligent weapons). There will probably become a time when the sword is the main character and the magus is its familiar...
Heh, yeah that could be.
But with it being the same alignment it should be all good.
Also as it is PFS stuff like that does not really happen.
I am sorta counting on it tho. if I ever get dominated the sword will more then likley try to take over depending on what I do.
Failing that save would be nice.
I've got a question:
Let's say I have a 4 armed character via the Race Builder in the ARG. Can I Spell Combat or Spellstrike with a 2h weapon?
I'd say Spellstrike works without problem as the melee attack simply becomes part of the spell, so you can cast the spell with two hands while attacking with the other pair.
Spell Combat is what I'm not sure about. On the one hand it talks about having to have a hand free, which a 4 armed Magus has while wielding a 2h weapon, but on the other hand it also mentions a Light or One-Handed weapon in the other hand.
What would happen if you wield a 2h in hand 1 and 2, a Dagger in hand 3 and have hand 4 empty? That way you have a Light weapon in one hand to meet the RAW prequisite of Spell Combat but if you make a Full-Attack you'd still hit with the 2h.
Bit of trouble getting this up. Works now.
Hexcrafters don't get Accursed Strike for free. You gain access to it through the archetype and can select it anytime you would normally get a new magus arcana.
Summon Spirit is also ... Not blue? You still have to pay for your summoned spirit (bargains as per Greater Planar Ally), up to 18,000gp depending on the length of your task. Plus 1 negative level. Big benefit is the standard action usage, as opposed to GPA which is 10 min casting time.
Bit of trouble getting this up. Works now.
Hexcrafters don't get Accursed Strike for free. You gain access to it through the archetype and can select it anytime you would normally get a new magus arcana.
Summon Spirit is also ... Not blue? You still have to pay for your summoned spirit (bargains as per Greater Planar Ally), up to 18,000gp depending on the length of your task. Plus 1 negative level. Big benefit is the standard action usage, as opposed to GPA which is 10 min casting time.
Umm, I DID make it blue.
Bit of trouble getting this up. Works now.
Hexcrafters don't get Accursed Strike for free. You gain access to it through the archetype and can select it anytime you would normally get a new magus arcana.
I noticed that too (go reread the wording, unless it's had an errata I haven't seen then Dunebugg is correct).
Otherwise though, solid guide. I don't agree with every ranking, but I don't offhand see any I disagree by more then 1 color level, and along with Viking Irishman's Witch guide Hex reviews, it gives new Hexcrafters something to base their decisions on.
Umm, I DID make it blue.Bit of trouble getting this up. Works now.
Hexcrafters don't get Accursed Strike for free. You gain access to it through the archetype and can select it anytime you would normally get a new magus arcana.
Summon Spirit is also ... Not blue? You still have to pay for your summoned spirit (bargains as per Greater Planar Ally), up to 18,000gp depending on the length of your task. Plus 1 negative level. Big benefit is the standard action usage, as opposed to GPA which is 10 min casting time.
Sorry I should have clarified. Summon Spirit is by far NOT blue. It's incredibly situational, and very expensive. It is not hands down the best choice for a hexcrafter.
We're gonna have to disagree on that one.
Most other hexes are save or lose. You already have Slumber (admittedly, mind affecting) and Ice Tomb. Both have the same DC as a grand hex so really the others don't get you much.
While summon spirit has limitations it is a RAW way to get access to a VERY powerful ally. One who effectively gives you 2 chars. breaking action economy and can get you access to magic you otherwise could not.
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I'd like to suggest taking Spell Specialization,it combined with Gifted Adept can give you 4d6 Shocking Grasp at Level 1. Take Wayang Spellhunter for Shocking Grasp and you can use Intensified Spell earlier for no cost. 10d6 at 3rd level (unless Intesified Spell requires you have fifth level which I'm not sure) isn't exactly bad. And you can switch out Spell Specialization once you reach a high enough level.
Looking at Dervish Dance, it allows the DEX bonus on attacks. But that isn't until 3rd level. In Walter's guide he has listed a +4 attack bonus using the scimitar at level 1 - can someone explain this for a simple noob.
I believe you are correct, and it sounds more like a simple oversight on the guide's part.
If you're starting at level 1, you could always just take the rapier and then upgrade to scimitar when you hit 3rd.
Thank you for the guide. Dotting
1. The feat Maximize Spellstrike http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/maximized-spellstrike
Is it worth it? Maybe in combination with the Prescient Attack Arcana (immediate loss of opponents Dex Bonus)?
I would say no way in heck. Look at the pile of semi-useless requirements. Magi have a tough time taking long feat chains not related to the core magus builds, and this requirement chain would basically wreck the character.
Second, would you really want to dump 4 arcane pool into one hit? There are WAY better ways to spend it.
3. The spell Forceful Strike http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/f/forceful-strike
Can it be combined with spellstrike? The casting time is a swift action, so it seems better than a quickened first level spell
Yes, you are allowed to deliver any touch spell with spellstrike. With regard to comparing it to a quickened shocking grasp, it's d4 vs d6. It won't balance out until level 15+ with regard to its effectiveness vs a quickened shocking grasp.
Also, let's not underestimate the +3 to hit with shocking grasp. +15% is big at any level.
with strengh 10 i get 33 lbs. carrying capacity
Scimitar 3 lbs
leather armor 15 lbs + cats grace (or chain shirt 25 lbs)
handy haversack 5 lbs.seems to work until i have a chance to grab a strengh item or increase with level 8.
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