You should never, ever name your child after a character from a fantasy novel


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Brooks wrote:
Having a unique name that may cause a child some grief in school is one thing, but you also have to consider the ramifications once they are in the working world and applying for a job. Although it's completely unfair, arbitrary, and may screw over the potentially best candidate, I am certain that if a hiring manager or HR professional has a stack of resumes and only a few minutes to go through them, the guy named Merlin is probably going to end up in the discard pile relatively quickly, perhaps with his resume not even having been read.

Technically, that's illegal. Granted, it'd be hard to prove that it's the case but if a hiring manager is going to be judging a resume based on a name such as Merlin, they're just as likely to judge one such as Shani'Qah, Hussain or Muhammed. No human resources manager in their right mind is going to allow a hiring manager to get away with that. That's opening the door to big lawsuits if it can be proved and companies are far more wary about that kind of thing than they used to be.


One other thing: People keep referencing how cruel kids are. That's absolutely true. But naming a kid Aragorn isn't really going to make him any more or less teased than a kid named Frank, Patricia, Richard, Megan, Bob, Alyssa or any other "normal" name. They'll always find a way to make fun of it if they want to and for every kid that's going to be called a hot dog or get invited to a barbeque (Frank) there's a kid that's going to be impressed by someone whose name isn't found in the supermarket (Aragorn).

Fact of the matter is that practically every kid gets teased mercilously. If you don't have the wrong name you'll have the wrong nose or hair color or accent or size. That doesn't mean you should feel fine about naming your kid Rice Krispies but I do think people are taking this whole name thing way too seriously.


Wander Weir wrote:
Brooks wrote:
Having a unique name that may cause a child some grief in school is one thing, but you also have to consider the ramifications once they are in the working world and applying for a job. Although it's completely unfair, arbitrary, and may screw over the potentially best candidate, I am certain that if a hiring manager or HR professional has a stack of resumes and only a few minutes to go through them, the guy named Merlin is probably going to end up in the discard pile relatively quickly, perhaps with his resume not even having been read.

Technically, that's illegal. Granted, it'd be hard to prove that it's the case but if a hiring manager is going to be judging a resume based on a name such as Merlin, they're just as likely to judge one such as Shani'Qah, Hussain or Muhammed. No human resources manager in their right mind is going to allow a hiring manager to get away with that. That's opening the door to big lawsuits if it can be proved and companies are far more wary about that kind of thing than they used to be.

+1 Speaking as a former recruiter and HR generalist, Merlin would probably stay in the game longer, all things being equal. I would want to make quite sure that we were basing decisions on competency and job fit and not his parent's (awesome) name choice. And I would certainly hire him if he was the most qualified.

Now, you give me someone named Cthulu and I'll shred the resume on principle.

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Wander Weir wrote:
Brooks wrote:
Having a unique name that may cause a child some grief in school is one thing, but you also have to consider the ramifications once they are in the working world and applying for a job. Although it's completely unfair, arbitrary, and may screw over the potentially best candidate, I am certain that if a hiring manager or HR professional has a stack of resumes and only a few minutes to go through them, the guy named Merlin is probably going to end up in the discard pile relatively quickly, perhaps with his resume not even having been read.
Technically, that's illegal. Granted, it'd be hard to prove that it's the case but if a hiring manager is going to be judging a resume based on a name such as Merlin, they're just as likely to judge one such as Shani'Qah, Hussain or Muhammed. No human resources manager in their right mind is going to allow a hiring manager to get away with that. That's opening the door to big lawsuits if it can be proved and companies are far more wary about that kind of thing than they used to be.

Plenty of things that are illegal happen. Most people going for jobs will never know why they were turned down, especially at the early non-interview stages.

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Taliesin Hoyle wrote:
DocG wrote:
"Merlin" might sound like a cool name on a Pathfinder message board, but do you really think his resume will be taken seriously in 25 years?
Any job that won't hire my son Merlin Faraday Hoyle because of his name, doesn't deserve him.

Quite so. But none of my employers have deserved me either, but I've pretty much made a career out of that.


Fantasy names aren't so bad. It's the people who give their kids rediculous names like "4real" or "La-a (ladasha)" that need to have their heads checked. Aragorn is actually a pretty cool name, and some guy around here owns a buisness with that name on it.

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I certainly think Merlin has had a bit of an unfair kicking - it is historical, after all. I'd probably steer clear of it for my kid, though, as it has strong associations. But it is the made-up names that are by far the worst (and that, or course, includes a lot of "fantasy" names).


[random-yet-relevant]My daughter's name is Imogen Ruth. Living in the "Bible Belt" (Oklahoma, specifically), we've gotten a few blank looks when we tell people her name. However, so far the name has grown on all the people that matter (family, friends, etc.).

Coincidentally, my wife and I have friends who had their daughter two weeks after us; "Imogen" was #1 on their list, but changed their name to #2, "Edith", so our girls wouldn't have the same first name. :)[/random-yet-relevant]

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Back when I was a kid (and dinosaurs roamed the earth) a lot of my peers went by their middle names. When asked why I didn't I said, "I get teased enough, without adding 'Chuck Morris' to the list.

I don't understand why someone would name their kid something insulting, like some of the examples above. But really, Aragorn or Imoen is fine. Heck, I've a friend who's daughter is Ariel (after Thundarr the Barbarian, not after the mermaid). And another who's daughters are Rio (after the Durran Durran song) and Sydney.

Worst name I had heard of in High School? Lacey Sheets. Boy did he have issues.

As to Blade? 'Jumping Joe' named his son blade.

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Rhys Grey wrote:

[random-yet-relevant]My daughter's name is Imogen Ruth. Living in the "Bible Belt" (Oklahoma, specifically), we've gotten a few blank looks when we tell people her name. However, so far the name has grown on all the people that matter (family, friends, etc.).

Coincidentally, my wife and I have friends who had their daughter two weeks after us; "Imogen" was #1 on their list, but changed their name to #2, "Edith", so our girls wouldn't have the same first name. :)[/random-yet-relevant]

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What's wrong with Imogen Ruth? Seems perfectly fine to me.

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My daughter is Aurora Llane (pronounced "Lane"). The extra 'L' is for a couple of reasons. 1.) Its the name of a fantasy character my wife had written about some time ago; and 2.) There's a bit of hispanic influence since she was born in Arizona and we thought it would be good for her to take that with her.

'Aurora' is by no means a particularly rare or exotic name, but its comfortably outside of the mainstream so that we don't feel like we've given her a boring name either. Plus I'm a sucker for Latin.


Wander Weir wrote:
Brooks wrote:
Having a unique name that may cause a child some grief in school is one thing, but you also have to consider the ramifications once they are in the working world and applying for a job. Although it's completely unfair, arbitrary, and may screw over the potentially best candidate, I am certain that if a hiring manager or HR professional has a stack of resumes and only a few minutes to go through them, the guy named Merlin is probably going to end up in the discard pile relatively quickly, perhaps with his resume not even having been read.
Technically, that's illegal. Granted, it'd be hard to prove that it's the case but if a hiring manager is going to be judging a resume based on a name such as Merlin, they're just as likely to judge one such as Shani'Qah, Hussain or Muhammed. No human resources manager in their right mind is going to allow a hiring manager to get away with that. That's opening the door to big lawsuits if it can be proved and companies are far more wary about that kind of thing than they used to be.

I could be entirely wrong on this, but, at least in the U.S., I don't believe that having an odd or unusual is considered a protected status.

Secondly, even were it illegal, which I don't think it is, I believe a conversation would go something like this:

HR Director - did you get through that stack of 100 resumes for the position?

Hiring Manager - yep, sure did. Here's the top 10 that I think are quality applicants that we should call in for interviews.

HR Director - good work, here's your next stack for the next position.

In most cases, those not chosen for interviews wouldn't even receive so much as an apologetic email. If they did receive some kind of communication, it would likely be a politely worded missive stating that they do not currently meet the needs of the company. If one of those 90 or 900 or whatever applicants that wasn't chosen for the next step raised any specter of a lawsuit, I think it would be very, very difficult to prove that they weren't chosen for any particular reason. There's a lot of qualified persons out there looking for jobs right now and even saying, "We don't think that applicant fit the corporate culture of this company or wasn't a good fit for the position," is pretty much all they would need to say.

Again, I'm not saying that this is right, fair, or whatever, but I believe these kinds of decisions happen every day in a corporate world. Why give your child a name that could be an obstacle?

And as far as Merlin, or Blade, or Blaze (yes I met a child two days ago named Blaze) being better off not working for a company that wouldn't choose them based on their name; in many cases a paying job easily trumps those concerns. Having a superior moral position doesn't pay the mortgage. I'm not trying to be offensive, but merely realistic.


Just make sure when you are interviewing that you don't have a problem with the name of the person doing the hiring.


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This is Blaze, and this is Lazer, and this is Blazer.

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Brooks wrote:
And as far as Merlin, or Blade, or Blaze (yes I met a child two days ago named Blaze) being better off not working for a company that wouldn't choose them based on their name; in many cases a paying job easily trumps those concerns. Having a superior moral position doesn't pay the mortgage. I'm not trying to be offensive, but merely realistic.

"Ha - those idiots at Goldman Sachs turned me down! They can keep their massive salaries, bonuses and share plans - I've kept my integrity!"

"Right on, Iggwilv...."


FallofCamelot wrote:
Rhys Grey wrote:

[random-yet-relevant]My daughter's name is Imogen Ruth. Living in the "Bible Belt" (Oklahoma, specifically), we've gotten a few blank looks when we tell people her name. However, so far the name has grown on all the people that matter (family, friends, etc.).

Coincidentally, my wife and I have friends who had their daughter two weeks after us; "Imogen" was #1 on their list, but changed their name to #2, "Edith", so our girls wouldn't have the same first name. :)[/random-yet-relevant]

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What's wrong with Imogen Ruth? Seems perfectly fine to me.

Heh, there's nothing wrong with the name; my wife and I love it. The strange looks we get are due to "Imogen" being fairly uncommon in the United States (I believe it's much more common in Britain; Shakespeare coined the name, after all). Since it's uncommon (and--honestly--it seems most people around here have never heard of the name), people sort of do a double-take (in a manner of speaking); they're much more used to "Christina", "Melissa", "Rachel", and other mainstream American (or biblical) names.

But I love the name! :)


Brooks wrote:

I could be entirely wrong on this, but, at least in the U.S., I don't believe that having an odd or unusual is considered a protected status.

It isn't, but race, ethnicity, and national origen are protected. If an HR person is discarding every Lakesha, Latoya, Mohammed,and Jamal, and only forwarding on the Jims, Bettys and Franks, that would be a potential problem for the company if it could be proven.


MeanDM wrote:
Brooks wrote:

I could be entirely wrong on this, but, at least in the U.S., I don't believe that having an odd or unusual is considered a protected status.

It isn't, but race, ethnicity, and national origen are protected. If an HR person is discarding every Lakesha, Latoya, Mohammed,and Jamal, and only forwarding on the Jims, Bettys and Franks, that would be a potential problem for the company if it could be proven.

I believe that you are entirely correct. I want to say that it's Title VI or Title VII that prohibits employment discrimination against a finite list of protected classes. I also want to say that it even prohibits employment discrimination against someone who associates with the protected classes, but that I'm not as certain about that.

So if you can prove that you weren't hired because your name directly implied that you that you were a member of a protected class, then you may have a case.

However, that argument falls flat when we're talking about Aragorn, Merlin, Blade, and Blaze. As am employer I can refuse to hire anyone with an unusal name and there is, as far as I know, no legal recourse against that. Again, it comes back to why saddle your child with a name that may make it more difficult for them in life? We're supposed to give our children every opportunity to succeed and to make their lives more easy, not more difficult.

Is it fair that an unusal name may present them with obstacles? Of course not.

It is a reality that giving them an unusual name may, possibly make things more difficult? I believe the answer to that is absolutely yes.


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Sanakht Inaros wrote:

I have a friend whose parents wanted all their kids name to end with the sound -ary. But the grandparents stepped and said NO!

The boys: Gary (aka Junior because his dad was named Gary), Jerry, Kerry, and Terry (was actually supposed to be Barry).

The girls: Diane (originally was supposed to be Shari) and Diane (who was actually supposed to be named Teri).

Thank god for the grandparents.

Hey, everyone on my father's name of the family starts with the letter G. I'm a Gary, and my father is Gerald. My wife and I will probably name our child Gerald George or George Gerald. I'm hoping a daughter might be named Giselle.

My aunt and her husband did this. Same letter "G" too.

Her husband was a Gary as well.
They even gave their dogs "G" names.

That is amazing!!


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When I was teaching, there was a kid in one of my classes with the unfortunate name of "Dartanyun." He was a nice kid, but I was firm in insisting on always "misspelling" his name as d'Artagnan -- which, in my mind, made it cool and dashing instead of pathetic and annoying. Maybe he likes it, though. It's a pity I normally don't get to do a post-school interview with former students like 10 years later, to see how they're getting along.


InVinoVeritas wrote:
In practice, most names are perfectly acceptable, and the USA is proof that you can get through life acceptably being named Aragorn.

True, but America is multi-cultural by design. We encourage any freedom that doesn't particularly limit someone else' freedom. Many cultures (France comes to mind) put these limits in place as a way of maintaining a cultural norm. They want to keep France French, Germany German, China Chinese, etc. Being a lover of world cultures, it would be hypocritical of me to judge other countries for this sort of thing, but OTOH I'm glad that I live in the USA because we DON'T have to worry about such things.

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Brooks wrote:
And as far as Merlin, or Blade, or Blaze (yes I met a child two days ago named Blaze) being better off not working for a company that wouldn't choose them based on their name; in many cases a paying job easily trumps those concerns. Having a superior moral position doesn't pay the mortgage. I'm not trying to be offensive, but merely realistic.

I like to think that I lucked out on this aspect.


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rando1000 wrote:
True, but America is multi-cultural by design. We encourage any freedom that doesn't particularly limit someone else' freedom. Many cultures (France comes to mind) put these limits in place as a way of maintaining a cultural norm. They want to keep France French, Germany German, China Chinese, etc. Being a lover of world cultures, it would be hypocritical of me to judge other countries for this sort of thing, but OTOH I'm glad that I live in the USA because we DON'T have to worry about such things.

You don't think we do? Try NOT praying at the start of a school board meeting as a member, or with the team before a high school football game as a player, or during the invocation before the Houston marathon as just about anyone there. Try being a gay kid in Montana. Try going topless on a beach in any Southern state, ladies. In a lot of cases we enforce cultural norms through often-ferocious social pressure, rather than by litigation, but the end result is often the same. It's just a matter of which areas you look at.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
You don't think we do? Try NOT praying at the start of a school board meeting as a member, or with the team before a high school football game as a player, or during the invocation before the Houston marathon as just about anyone there. Try being a gay kid in Montana. Try going topless on a beach in any Southern state, ladies. In a lot of cases we enforce cultural norms through often-ferocious social pressure, rather than by litigation, but the end result is often the same. It's just a matter of which areas you look at.

Guess it depends where you live, but being Jewish I've never been in a situation where I've been forced to say a Christian prayer, and if I had been, I'd go to the appropriate authorities to protest it.

Of course the unofficial pressure still exists. I see it every day. I have an atheist friend who I discuss this sort of thing with in great detail sometimes. BUT, my point is that America is BY DESIGN supposed to be culture agnostic. It doesn't work out that way, of course (being heavily influenced by England and the ancient cultures of Greece and Rome), but because the rules are in place it's easier to make that way.

And this is not to say that other countries are homogeneous. Israel, for example, has Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists in addition to Jews. They have Jews from Africa, and citizens of Chinese ancestry. BUT, the difference is that Israel is by definition dedicated to maintaining a Jewish state. The US is not, by definition, dedicated to maintaining a specific cultural ideal.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Try NOT praying at the start of a school board meeting as a member, or with the team before a high school football game as a player, or during the invocation before the Houston marathon as just about anyone there.

I realize this is just my case, but my Theater Arts high school teacher invited everyone for a prayer circle before every performance; those who chose to participate did, and if you didn't, no one batted an eye. Also, nearly everyone she brought in to work with us on the musicals was gay. Mrs. H. totally rocked.

Kirth Gersen wrote:
In a lot of cases we enforce cultural norms through often-ferocious social pressure, rather than by litigation, but the end result is often the same. It's just a matter of which areas you look at.

Amen to that. For proof, just look around any high school campus (or age-equivalent institution).


As a corollary to the "don't make things harder on your kid with his/her name" mantra, what are you supposed to do when it's your last/family/surname is the one causing the problem?

In my time teaching, I have known adults (teachers, mind you) named:

Mr. Cox
Mrs. Britch
Ms. Hogg

I'm sure there are more I can't remember off the top of my head; imagine what irritated (or simply rude) teenagers would do with those little beauties.


i had a high school teacher who went by the name of Edward Hyde.

Lots of Dr. Jekyl Puns were made. he never gave us his middle name. he claimed that his full name was exactly the same as that of Dr. Jekyl's fictional alchemical alter ego from the book.

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Shadowborn wrote:

Penn Gillette of Penn & Teller named his daughter Moxie Crimefighter Gillette.

Now Moxie is a great name, but "crimefighter?" Really, Penn? I always thought you were smart. Unless, of course, he's one of the few people in the world that believe names should actually mean something and not just sound cool. Perhaps he's grooming her for a career in law enforcement...or as a superhero...

As I recall, CrimeFighter was his wife's idea. Apparently she doesn't have a middle name and thinks they're stupid, so they gave the kid a joke middle name.

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Now, you give me someone named Cthulu and I'll shred the resume on principle.

I spit milk on the monitor while reading this. My friend, you earn a whole plate of internet cookies! :D

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Hama wrote:
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Now, you give me someone named Cthulu and I'll shred the resume on principle.
I spit milk on the monitor while reading this. My friend, you earn a whole plate of internet cookies! :D

You'll wish you gave him that Data Entry job when he finds he has all this free time and decides to rise from R'lyeh.


Discrimination based on a name is still discrimination. Given how easy it is to sue people these days, and how eager some people are to do so, a human resources department is going to be careful to avoid the risk of being saddled with a discrimination suit.

I really think that the suggestion that someone's name being unusual is going to keep him from getting hired for a job is just not accurate. There are far too many people with unusual names who are doing just fine getting jobs so long as they have a decent resume. In fact, I'd bet seeing "Merlin Thompson" on a resume would make someone more likely to read it than not simply because it stands out.


Fun facts about German Name Laws:

- The Law on Naming is a Judge-Law, every case has to be decided cas by case

First Names should not be:
- common last names (examples: Hemigway, Holgerson)
- ridicule the child (Tom-Tom, Lord, Pan, Peppermint)
- hurt religious feelings (Christ, Jesus)
- associate evil (Cain, Judas, Adolf)

Names approved by court of Law:
Sundance, Sunshine, Jazz and:

Friede mit Gott allein durch Jesus Christus (Peace with god only through Jesus Christ) - jup, that sentance was accepted as First Name O.O


Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:

Penn Gillette of Penn & Teller named his daughter Moxie Crimefighter Gillette.

Now Moxie is a great name, but "crimefighter?" Really, Penn? I always thought you were smart. Unless, of course, he's one of the few people in the world that believe names should actually mean something and not just sound cool. Perhaps he's grooming her for a career in law enforcement...or as a superhero...

As I recall, CrimeFighter was his wife's idea. Apparently she doesn't have a middle name and thinks they're stupid, so they gave the kid a joke middle name.

Somehow, that explanation doesn't make it any better.

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deinol wrote:

Not enough parents look at the national trends for the year their baby is born. They might be of a generation where James was extra popular and know many growing up. So they try and pick something unusual for their generation. Not realizing that everyone else is doing the same thing. So their children have new very common names.

Top 10 list for 2010 (US)

Boys' Names
Aiden
Jacob
Jackson
Ethan
Jayden
Noah
Logan
Caden
Lucas
Liam

Girls' Names
Sophia
Isabella
Olivia
Emma
Chloe
Ava
Lily
Madison
Addison
Abigail

James has moved way down to #31

Spending much of my elementary school years in the same small town, we had 5 Jasons in my grade (including me). We had only 2 classes per grade, and every year I had 3 Jasons in my class.

A few years back I went on the Social Security website and used their name frequency tracker, and discovered an amusing anecdote about the name. From 1973 to 1982, the name Jason was in the top 4 most popular name EVERY YEAR for 10 solid years.

But it was never #1.

Curse you MICHAEL!!!

(nowadays Jason is pretty far down the list at #69; it was #13 the year I was born)

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Crimson Jester wrote:

My sons..

Bleys Nicholai. that way if he did not like Bleys he could go by Nick of Nicki or something.

and

Dashiell James. That way he could go by Dash, DJ, James or Jimmy.

They like their names. They get compliments all the time.

Dude, you named your son after Jimmy the Hand's grandsons?

Awesome...

Yeah, basically.

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aeglos wrote:

Fun facts about German Name Laws:

- The Law on Naming is a Judge-Law, every case has to be decided cas by case

First Names should not be:
- common last names (examples: Hemigway, Holgerson)
- ridicule the child (Tom-Tom, Lord, Pan, Peppermint)
- hurt religious feelings (Christ, Jesus)
- associate evil (Cain, Judas, Adolf)

Names approved by court of Law:
Sundance, Sunshine, Jazz and:

Friede mit Gott allein durch Jesus Christus (Peace with god only through Jesus Christ) - jup, that sentance was accepted as First Name O.O

Talk about a mouthfull, poor kid.

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rando1000 wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
You don't think we do? Try NOT praying at the start of a school board meeting as a member, or with the team before a high school football game as a player, or during the invocation before the Houston marathon as just about anyone there. Try being a gay kid in Montana. Try going topless on a beach in any Southern state, ladies. In a lot of cases we enforce cultural norms through often-ferocious social pressure, rather than by litigation, but the end result is often the same. It's just a matter of which areas you look at.

Guess it depends where you live, but being Jewish I've never been in a situation where I've been forced to say a Christian prayer, and if I had been, I'd go to the appropriate authorities to protest it.

Of course the unofficial pressure still exists. I see it every day. I have an atheist friend who I discuss this sort of thing with in great detail sometimes. BUT, my point is that America is BY DESIGN supposed to be culture agnostic. It doesn't work out that way, of course (being heavily influenced by England and the ancient cultures of Greece and Rome), but because the rules are in place it's easier to make that way.

And this is not to say that other countries are homogeneous. Israel, for example, has Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists in addition to Jews. They have Jews from Africa, and citizens of Chinese ancestry. BUT, the difference is that Israel is by definition dedicated to maintaining a Jewish state. The US is not, by definition, dedicated to maintaining a specific cultural ideal.

Also the "bad" can be found if that is all you look for. The "good" can be found as well. The best way is to take a measured approach. ALL things considered I do not think we, the US, are doing that bad.

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Readerbreeder wrote:

As a corollary to the "don't make things harder on your kid with his/her name" mantra, what are you supposed to do when it's your last/family/surname is the one causing the problem?

In my time teaching, I have known adults (teachers, mind you) named:

Mr. Cox
Mrs. Britch
Ms. Hogg

I'm sure there are more I can't remember off the top of my head; imagine what irritated (or simply rude) teenagers would do with those little beauties.

My buddy went to basic, in the Navy with a poor guy who had the misfortune to have his last name as Swallows.


Crimson Jester wrote:
I do not think we, the US, are doing that bad.

Except, of course, in the area of proper use of adverbs.


More of a general commentary on names rather than specifically names not allowed or what not, thought I'd share a few things as well on the subject of names. Having worked in HR for a number of years, seen a lot of things over the years that are entertaining for names. Be that as it may, we have friends and family that have also chosen different names for their children. Some of the ones that occur to me offhand are:

First names:
Ocean
Ender

At work I've seen:
Justice & Destiny (sisters)
Candy & Crystal (sisters (sweet and delicate)

There there is the ever classic George Foreman move, name all the kids the same name adding the numbers after the name:

Alfredo III - father
Alfredo IV - son
Alfredo V - twin son 1
Alfredo VI - twin son 2

The last two gave the insurance companies fits for years trying to distinguish who was who as we couldn't pass suffixes to vendors and off course they had the same birthdate.

My last name is a begins Birch and on more than one occasion the r has been changed to a t over the years.

Then there is the ever classic Mel Brooks Robin Hood: Men in Tights, where the "sorceress" had the last name Latrine. The family having changed it from something else equally as bad several centuries earlier.


Wander Weir wrote:

Discrimination based on a name is still discrimination. Given how easy it is to sue people these days, and how eager some people are to do so, a human resources department is going to be careful to avoid the risk of being saddled with a discrimination suit.

I really think that the suggestion that someone's name being unusual is going to keep him from getting hired for a job is just not accurate. There are far too many people with unusual names who are doing just fine getting jobs so long as they have a decent resume. In fact, I'd bet seeing "Merlin Thompson" on a resume would make someone more likely to read it than not simply because it stands out.

I would respectfully disagree.

As far as I know, having an unusual name is not a protected status, at least in the U.S. As such, there would be no basis for a lawsuit, a judgement, or a settlment. You don't get hired because of your name and you're pretty much out of luck unless your name directly infers that you a member of a protected class. There is, quite simply, no discrimination, as far as the law is concerned.

I also maintain that corporate culture is such that having a name like Merlin, Blade, or Blaze could result in your resume going straight into the "not fitting into our corporate image" bin before even being considered. I realize that this is a fantasy gaming messageboard and, as such, my opinion may not be entirely popular. However, I still maintain that such abritrary decisions are made on a regular basis on a daily basis.

It's not fair, but I believe that it is reality.

More importantly, why risk it for your children?

As far as an above post regarding last names being unusual or humorous. I have no control over my last name, but I have absolute control over the name that I give my child.

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By the way, Merlin had some popularity in the United States before. It peaked at #288 in 1927 and 1931. It fell off the charts only in 1972. Arthur, of course, has always remained on the list. Can't we make fun of "King" Arthur, too? Better shred that resume.

Blade's not on the list, but Blaze has been bouncing around the #800s.

Regarding the Age of Aiden in America:

Cayden is boys' name #151 in 2010. More popular are Kaden (#109), Caden (#119), and Kayden (#123).

Here's the list of Aiden-names in the top 1000 boys' names (from the Baby Name Wizard):
Aaden
Adan
Aden
Aedan
Aidan
Aiden
Aidyn
Aydan
Ayden
Aydin
Braden
Bradyn
Braeden
Braiden
Brayden
Braydon
Caden
Caiden
Cayden
Haiden
Hayden
Jaden
Jadon
Jadyn
Jaeden
Jaiden
Jaidyn
Jaydan
Jayden
Jaydin
Jaydon
Kaden
Kadin
Kadyn
Kaeden
Kaiden
Kayden
Raiden
Rayden
Zaiden
Zayden


aeglos wrote:


Friede mit Gott allein durch Jesus Christus (Peace with god only through Jesus Christ) - jup, that sentance was accepted as First Name O.O

The name is a symptom of the larger abuse that the child will suffer by having religious parents that far out of their minds. The indoctrination he or she will undergo at their hands will probably be total. I am genuinely sad for this child now, and need to take a break from browsing.

Their crass assumption that the child will follow them in their hysterical plight, and that he or she will embrace the name, is typical of the religious mind. Religious indoctrination is abuse, plain and simple, and is the only form of child abuse that doesn't raise an eyebrow.

If someone named their child:

Alexei Yuri Gagarin Siege of Stalingrad Glorious Five-Year Plan Sputnik Pravda Moscow Dynamo Back Four Balowski

In the expectation that the child would be a loyal party member, the principle would be the same.


Taliesin Hoyle wrote:
aeglos wrote:


Friede mit Gott allein durch Jesus Christus (Peace with god only through Jesus Christ) - jup, that sentance was accepted as First Name O.O

The name is a symptom of the larger abuse that the child will suffer by having religious parents that far out of their minds. The indoctrination he or she will undergo at their hands will probably be total. I am genuinely sad for this child now, and need to take a break from browsing.

Their crass assumption that the child will follow them in their hysterical plight, and that he or she will embrace the name, is typical of the religious mind. Religious indoctrination is abuse, plain and simple, and is the only form of child abuse that doesn't raise an eyebrow.

If someone named their child:

Alexei Yuri Gagarin Siege of Stalingrad Glorious Five-Year Plan Sputnik Pravda Moscow Dynamo Back Four Balowski

In the expectation that the child would be a loyal party member, the principle would be the same.

He probably says "...just call me Fred."


Taliesin Hoyle wrote:
aeglos wrote:


Friede mit Gott allein durch Jesus Christus (Peace with god only through Jesus Christ) - jup, that sentance was accepted as First Name O.O

The name is a symptom of the larger abuse that the child will suffer by having religious parents that far out of their minds. The indoctrination he or she will undergo at their hands will probably be total. I am genuinely sad for this child now, and need to take a break from browsing.

Their crass assumption that the child will follow them in their hysterical plight, and that he or she will embrace the name, is typical of the religious mind. Religious indoctrination is abuse, plain and simple, and is the only form of child abuse that doesn't raise an eyebrow.

If someone named their child:

Alexei Yuri Gagarin Siege of Stalingrad Glorious Five-Year Plan Sputnik Pravda Moscow Dynamo Back Four Balowski

In the expectation that the child would be a loyal party member, the principle would be the same.

It'll work about as well as naming your daughter Chastity and expecting her to live up to that moniker.


Stuffy Grammarian wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
I do not think we, the US, are doing that bad.
Except, of course, in the area of proper use of adverbs.

Well if I did not purposely put out flubs of this nature, then the grammar Storm Troopers's would have nothing to do.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16, 2012 Top 32

Brooks wrote:
...having a name like Merlin, Blade, or Blaze could result in your resume going straight into the "not fitting into our corporate image" bin before even being considered.

Not if you're applying to be a CNN war correspondent.


Shadowborn wrote:


It'll work about as well as naming your daughter Chastity and expecting her to live up to that moniker.

She'll probably be chaste, just like her parents before her.

One thing I wonder is... why don't more people call their children after their favourite authority or organisation? FAA Jones, CIA McDougal, RIAA Smith, UN Brown...


Brooks wrote:


I also maintain that corporate culture is such that having a name like Merlin, Blade, or Blaze could result in your resume going straight into the "not fitting into our corporate image" bin before even being considered. I realize that this is a fantasy gaming messageboard and, as such, my opinion may not be entirely popular. However, I still maintain that such abritrary decisions are made on a regular basis on a daily basis.

For what it's worth, my opinion has nothing to do with this being a fantasy board and everything to do with my experience. I've worked in the "corporate structure" of so many industries in my long and storied career that I'm basing my opinion on experience more than anything else. While it's true that I've never met a Merlin at a company (or outside of one for that matter) I've certainly met a lot of people who had creative names, whether it's at a tech corpration, an automotive design supplier, a not for profit organization, a major publications corporation, journalism, government supplier or a hospital.

I'm just saying, once you've been in the legal departments and worked with a guy named Tic Toc, you have a hard time believing that a little thing like a name matters half as much as proper spelling on a resume.


I'm gonna go with Hama on this; naming your child after a character from a fantasy novel is just a little pretentious. I wouldn't do it. I have two children, both with slightly uncommon names; Rafe and Roselyn. Those names were selected with the utmost care and an eye for uniqueness and respectability.

Naming your child Moon Unit is well, just dumb. Frank, your parents didn't abuse you like that, so why'd you do it to your kids?

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