Wish Question


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Do aberrations breathe? If so, I'm planning on using a scroll of wish to wish the moon is alive. Then, when it suffocates because it is in space, I can collect the XP for killing something that big with so many hit points. How much XP would that be worth?

Grand Lodge

Really?!? Is this a serious question?
Some aberrations breath, many do not. If you GM allows such a ridiculous use of Wish, then he should just rule that the moon does not breathe (but will become one hell of an opponent). Even if it did, and "died," you were not the one that "killed" it, so no XP for you.


TwilightKnight wrote:

Really?!? Is this a serious question?

Some aberrations breath, many do not. If you GM allows such a ridiculous use of Wish, then he should just rule that the moon does not breathe (but will become one hell of an opponent). Even if it did, and "died," you were not the one that "killed" it, so no XP for you.

I'm pretty sure that I should get experience points for it. Avoiding combat, and taking actions that lead to the deaths of other creatures are both valid ways of beating encounters. There isn't anything that says you get less experience for an encounter you start, so I don't see what the problem is.

"I wish the moon immediately becomes a living, breathing, oxygen dependent creature without any new means of ambulation."

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Your wish is granted. It is now a living, sentient creature. It also has it's own oxygen rich atmosphere.


cranewings wrote:
Do aberrations breathe? If so, I'm planning on using a scroll of wish to wish the moon is alive. Then, when it suffocates because it is in space, I can collect the XP for killing something that big with so many hit points. How much XP would that be worth?

Wishes and the miracle spells have limits. Many DM's make bad things happen when you try to surpass what they think those limits. If you really try to pull this stunt pray that your DM is nice, and just says no. If he does make it alive he would have to give it stats and you have not idea what those stats will be. He might make it a CR 1/2 just to waste the wish spell or a CR (really big number), and an array of abilities. It may kill you and then die/be killed by something else.

PS:I think this is a joke thread, but I have nothing else to. Well I do have other things to do, but I am taking a break from doing them.


Potential problems:

1) You're overreaching the power of a wish spell. Seriously. Wish can do many things, but if wish was powerful enough to do that, your entire game world would have been molded by the 1st person to come up with wish in ancient times and would likely be far different than it is now. And likely without wish as a possibility. Think about it: you're going to use 1 9th level spell to affect an entire celestial object. Were it Earth's moon, Luna, that's an object over 2000 miles in internal diameter. Even a puny moon like Phobos or Deimos is more than a dozen miles across.

2) Let's say your wish works. Different creatures have different oxygen requirements. Larger creatures have a need for more oxygen, but there's nothing stopping the moon from being in hibernation, or being an aberration that creates its own oxygen, thus avoiding the suffocation problem. For that matter, since you're dealing with a moon, the GM may declare it's got its own air envelope a la Spelljammer.

3) The moon is likely a long ways off. Therefore it may not count as an encounter as it doesn't even notice you due to distance. Sure, you can see it, but can it really notice a medium-sized creature across hundreds of thousands of miles? Luna is almost a quarter-million miles away from Earth's surface, to use an example.

Liberty's Edge

cranewings wrote:

I'm pretty sure that I should get experience points for it. Avoiding combat, and taking actions that lead to the deaths of other creatures are both valid ways of beating encounters. There isn't anything that says you get less experience for an encounter you start, so I don't see what the problem is.

"I wish the moon immediately becomes a living, breathing, oxygen dependent creature without any new means of ambulation."

Wish can do specific things. Turning the moon into an creature does not fall into the check list. That leaves you with:

"You may try to use a wish to produce greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. (The wish may pervert your intent into a literal but undesirable fulfillment or only a partial fulfillment, at the GM's discretion.)"

As for XP, I have an understanding, but am not sure if it is a rule per se, that to get XP, there has to be a challenge. I don't see that here.

But, if you, your GM, and other players see it otherwise, enjoy!


cranewings wrote:
Do aberrations breathe? If so, I'm planning on using a scroll of wish to wish the moon is alive. Then, when it suffocates because it is in space, I can collect the XP for killing something that big with so many hit points. How much XP would that be worth?

Is the moon an encounter regardless of state (living / unliving)? If the condition of living then only makes it an encounter, then certain traps, constructs wouldn't grant xp in lieu of an encounter because it simply isn't an encounter.

Would a living moon just create a new condition regardless of its affects? Just as wishing a infertile field to spring to verdant life. Do you get XP for ... uhmm, magically seeding and fostering an entire plantation with magic?

Perhaps if the DM / GM can clarify: Does a very large creature naturally constitute to a lot of hit points (or maybe it has like a tonne of hardness but little actual hp?) And would XP depend on the encounter rating / difficulty of the creature itself. I wouldnt want you to be disappointed id the ruling became ... the new stats of the moon qualify it as a ..... CE 1 creature encounter!

It may not move, no valid attacks, anf what else?

Too many factors to consider it a valid .... "encounter overcome" for undetermined XP?

Still best to ask if your GM would rule it as a aberration / living construct first.
Altho' I agree with TwlilightKnight, some do breathe, others don't :D

GOod luck on the wish spell!

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The Moon CR 19
N Colosal+ Aberration
Init -4 Senses: Darkvision 120 ft, lowlight vision
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Defenses
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AC 32, touch 2, flat-footed 36 (-4 Dex, +30 natural, -4 size)
hp 285 (30d8+150)
Fort +14, Ref +3, Will +22
Defensive Abilities DR/10 Epic Immune Aberration Traits
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OFFENSE
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Speed fly (good) 1.022 km/s
Melee slam +100 10d6+10
Spell-like abilities (CL 30)
Meteor Swarm 9/day (24)
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STATISTICS
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Str 20, Dex 1, Con 20, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 20
Base Atk +22 CMB +32 CMD 38
SQ
SPECIAL ABILITIES

Needs feats...


I think a moon i drew up would look more like stats for a wall... even if alive.

as wall of stone, 8 hardness, 15 hps per inch of thickness... lets say its a little moon... 10 miles wide.

HPs: 633,600.
AC: 0 (can auto hit with a melee weapon)
CR 30+
Saves and immunities as a Tarrasque.

Str: 60
Dex: 4
Con: -
Int: 24
Wis: 30
Cha: 8 (shes a pretty moon!)

Fly (clumsy): 1000 (cannot run or charge)
Melee slam: +100 20d6+37 (grab)
Constrict 10d6+25
CMB:55 CMD:65 (cannot be tripped or repositioned, cannot be moved)
Spell-like abilities:
Meteor Swarm: every 1d4 rounds
Elemental Swarm: at will
Storm of Vengeance: 1d4 rounds
Irresistible dance: at will (for the pagan in all of us)
Daze: at will (just to be a jerk about it)

Feat:
Power attack


First of all the Pathfinder DMG suggest that wish spells differ in power based on there source and the scroll is the worst one. Also do the stupidity of this particular wish I suggest this stat block and hell give him the xp.

The moon

Gigantricolosuss Abberation Lawful Neutral CR 1/2

AC 2
HP 6

All other states are irrelevant because he's right it cant breath and it dies and goes back to being just a floating rock.


Kierato wrote:

The Moon CR 19

N Colosal+ Aberration
Init -4 Senses: Darkvision 120 ft, lowlight vision
----------------------------------------------------------
Defenses
----------------------------------------------------------
AC 32, touch 2, flat-footed 36 (-4 Dex, +30 natural, -4 size)
hp 285 (30d8+150)
Fort +14, Ref +3, Will +22
Defensive Abilities DR/10 Epic Immune Aberration Traits
----------------------------------------------------------
OFFENSE
----------------------------------------------------------
Speed fly (good) 1.022 km/s
Melee slam +100 10d6+10
Spell-like abilities (CL 30)
Meteor Swarm 9/day (24)
----------------------------------------------------------
STATISTICS
---------------------------------------------------------
Str 20, Dex 1, Con 20, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 20
Base Atk +22 CMB +32 CMD 38
SQ
SPECIAL ABILITIES

Needs feats...

Now that's what I'm talking about!!

Contributor

You're living in a fantasy universe. The moon is already alive in the same sense that the earth is alive--there are creatures living there and there's an ecosystem.

Of course this was the case before you made your wish, so you just wasted your wish.

Shadow Lodge

Congratulations, you have successfully summoned an avatar of Groteus and begun the End Times.


Kthulhu wrote:
Congratulations, you have successfully summoned an avatar of Groteus and begun the End Times.

I disbelieve!


If it even works (if the moon is a deity then it's already alive, now its just aware of you and possibly VERY ANGRY)

Congratulations you make the moon a CR 1/10000 monster enjoy your 1 xp. And, since you made it an aberration rather than a construct it will freeze dry in space and shatter the next time a celestial body hits it destroying the tidal system on the planet. Whats that a new star/comet in the sky and it's getting bigger, we'll be making new characters next week.


Dragonsong wrote:
If it even works (if the moon is a deity then it's already alive, now its just aware of you and possibly VERY ANGRY)

Dude, I was thinking the EXACT same thing and then I read your post... (Great minds think alike!)

By the way, out of curiosity, how old are you cranewings? If you're like seven, then your question is valid. I remember when I first started... The things we came up with were a little out there as well, and it was ok.

Ultradan


What's the moon's CON? It could hold its breath for a while. And if it moves towards the world, the world is doomed. First from tidal waves, then from being crashed into by an extremely large object.

Congratulations. You've made tons of XP, and killed yourself and everyone on the planet. Wanna start a new campaign on a new world?

Also, the moon may be a caster-type. (Hey, it casts a shadow, so must be a shadow-caster, right?) Likely a Sorc, as it's got a high CHA (how many poems and songs reference it's allure?). It might cast its own wish and summon you to join it...

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The Exchange

Even if this worked as intended (creating a giant creature in space that immediately suffocated), I would never award xp for it. XP is awarded for overcoming challenges. There is no challenge here.


Let's see if this goes through this time.

In Second Edition, much was made about interpreting wishes literally and, if the wish was really grandiose, to have unintended consequences. Examples given were if someone wished for a castle, give it to them, but have it appear a few feet off the ground, drop and smash into rubble.

In this case:

1. The moon does indeed transform. Since it is no longer rock and metal, it has a much reduced mass and gravity. The first effect to be felt would be the tides diminishing and all the harm that would visit on shipping and fishing, etc. The second effect, and probably much longer term, would be reduction of the stabilizing force on the planet, causing it to wobble on its axis. This would throw the seasons off and all that that would entail for agriculture, weather patterns, migrations, etc.

2. If the moon dies, there is now a giant corpse orbiting the planet. What kind of carrion eaters would it attract? Probably some kind of planar horror of epic level. With the moon gone, see point 1.

3. If the moon doesn't die, there is now a vast abberation getting hungry. That planet is going to look mighty tasty. As it moves closer, see ChrisO's post above.

In any case, those XP will come in handy because the character will have made nations of enemies. Not just planetary residents, but Aeons and Inevitables won't be pleased either to name just two.


cranewings wrote:
TwilightKnight wrote:

Really?!? Is this a serious question?

Some aberrations breath, many do not. If you GM allows such a ridiculous use of Wish, then he should just rule that the moon does not breathe (but will become one hell of an opponent). Even if it did, and "died," you were not the one that "killed" it, so no XP for you.

I'm pretty sure that I should get experience points for it. Avoiding combat, and taking actions that lead to the deaths of other creatures are both valid ways of beating encounters. There isn't anything that says you get less experience for an encounter you start, so I don't see what the problem is.

"I wish the moon immediately becomes a living, breathing, oxygen dependent creature without any new means of ambulation."

You wouldn't get xp for this for the same reason you don't get xp for walking to the tavern for a drink. Sure, you avoided that Hail of Arrows trap that's in a dungeon somewhere, but it posed no threat to you from where you are.


I imagine a wish like this, if allowed, would bring one of these into play.


Kthulhu wrote:
Congratulations, you have successfully summoned an avatar of Groteus and begun the End Times.

I wouldn't go that far. I'd just instantly teleport the entire party to the plane of Pharasma's boneyard. There the moon indeed is alive.


cranewings wrote:
Do aberrations breathe? If so, I'm planning on using a scroll of wish to wish the moon is alive. Then, when it suffocates because it is in space, I can collect the XP for killing something that big with so many hit points. How much XP would that be worth?

Unfortunately your newfond XP would not last long as, having suffocated to death, the moon could no longer continue to fly in the sky. Upon falling to the ground, the moon caused a collision big enough to kill every lifeform on the planet, including your character.

Have a nice day.


Of course the moon is already alive! And since it's a deity, it would benefit from the healing/strengthening power of a full wish, and would be exceedingly grateful. So much so that it would certainly pick you out, and give you the wonderful opportunity to be reborn (reincarnates definitely go with the lunar deity), as possibly even a werebear/1st level cleric of Selune (sub your local moon deity here), and set out on a series of quest that will someday allow you to be the high priest of Selune. Oh, other adventurers not required, please hand over your PC and begin creating another.


Kierato wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Congratulations, you have successfully summoned an avatar of Groteus and begun the End Times.
I disbelieve!

Are you sure? The DC's like 25?


erik542 wrote:
Kierato wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Congratulations, you have successfully summoned an avatar of Groteus and begun the End Times.
I disbelieve!
Are you sure? The DC's like 25?

I have 20 levels in both cleric and sorcerer, I disbelive!

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