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I have to say, after thumbing through Gnomes of Golarion at the FLGS I bought it on an impulse, read it as soon as I got home, and a few days later when it came time to make characters to start our Kingmaker campaign, I went with a Gnome sorcerer.
I haven't regretted it one bit, the Paizo guys (and gals) did a great job of making Gnomes worth keeping around, rather than just the "con bonus instead of dex" Halflings status they previously held.
Gnomes are awesome!!!
See I love dwarves, elves, humans, and halflings just fine. It's those damned useless gnomes i can't stand.
{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Jeremy's miniatures with polymorphed gnomes. Will he notice? Let's find out.
KENDER FOREVER!!!!!!!!!
{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Freehold's RL friends, family, and co-workers with polymorphed Joss Whedon clones. Will he notice? Let's find out.
With Paizo's re-write of gnomes, they're probably the MOST interesting PC race. Elves and dwarves are basically the same as they always have been.
I generally discount halflings altogether, because they've always been boring as hell. In 0E-2E, they were Bilbo Baggins, only without a cool artifact. In 3.X, they became a bland kender-lite race.
Alright people, how do those people who hate gnomes feel about halflings? how do those that love gnomes feel about them? One of the things that I thought when I first joined the game was how similar the two small races were, aside from stats.
For me, Halfings have always been wanderers, traders and explorers. ( you've seen what i think of gnomes above)
I have stated what I thought about halflings, most boring, uninteresting race ever.
With Paizo's re-write of gnomes, they're probably the MOST interesting PC race. Elves and dwarves are basically the same as they always have been.
I generally discount halflings altogether, because they've always been boring as hell. In 0E-2E, they were Bilbo Baggins, only without a cool artifact. In 3.X, they became a bland kender-lite race.
Alright people, how do those people who hate gnomes feel about halflings? how do those that love gnomes feel about them?
For me, Halfings have always been wanderers, traders and explorers. ( you've seen what i think of gnomes above)
Just one or two more options; if you don't like them, deep six them, if you do then go for it.
Personally I can't get that excited or upset about imaginary little people.
Never had a problem with gnomes, enjoyed them in all settings. I enjoyed Dark Sun as well and remember one adventure had you visit a gnome ruin that ghostly images of the creatures.
Firbolgs however... when the Complete Book of Humanoids came out a lot of our group caught Firbolg Fever. They even went as far to ignore several of their hinderances.
See I love dwarves, elves, humans, and halflings just fine. It's those damned useless gnomes i can't stand.{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Jeremy's miniatures with polymorphed gnomes. Will he notice? Let's find out.
KENDER FOREVER!!!!!!!!!{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Freehold's RL friends, family, and co-workers with polymorphed Joss Whedon clones. Will he notice? Let's find out.
Everyone around me is so pro-Whedon, I doubt I'd notice.
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See I love dwarves, elves, humans, and halflings just fine. It's those damned useless gnomes i can't stand.{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Jeremy's miniatures with polymorphed gnomes. Will he notice? Let's find out.
KENDER FOREVER!!!!!!!!!{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Freehold's RL friends, family, and co-workers with polymorphed Joss Whedon clones. Will he notice? Let's find out.
Useless freaking gnomes.
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Ahhhhh...you just remembered me that I hate them SOOO MUCH, they all deserve not to die, but to be erased retroactively from history to not be remembered by anyone never, anything gnome related destroyed,burned,and anihilated, until anything in the earth that have anything to do with gnomes is destroyed forever...that said Pathfinder gnomes are ok.
Everyone around me is so pro-Whedon, I doubt I'd notice.KENDER FOREVER!!!!!!!!!{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Freehold's RL friends, family, and co-workers with polymorphed Joss Whedon clones. Will he notice? Let's find out.
I'm sorry Freehold, it's worse... {pulls off disguise} I am designated Seven of-, er, "Willow" of the "Scoobies." We are the Whedon Collective. {everyone around Freehold removes their disguises} You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Hatred is futile.
I likee the gnomez in Pathfinder...much better than the 3.x gnomes.
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I likee the gnomez in Pathfinder...much better than the 3.x gnomes.
Pathfinder gnomes. Just saying :P
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Never liked gnomes. The fluff was boring. Just boring.
Then Pathfinder gnomes came about. I actually enjoyed the fluff. Made a few gnomes, and so has my group now.
Greg
The first and last time I played gnome was a wizard doing his best imitation of Dungeon Master. My party went in a narrow dungeon corridor with a human and goliath fighter. They encountered a rust monster and since my gnome was behind the formation he got trampled by the rest of the party.
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Useless freaking gnomes.See I love dwarves, elves, humans, and halflings just fine. It's those damned useless gnomes i can't stand.{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Jeremy's miniatures with polymorphed gnomes. Will he notice? Let's find out.
KENDER FOREVER!!!!!!!!!{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Freehold's RL friends, family, and co-workers with polymorphed Joss Whedon clones. Will he notice? Let's find out.
Did you ever read Zogonia, or Mt. Zogon?
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Did you ever read Zogonia, or Mt. Zogon?Useless freaking gnomes.See I love dwarves, elves, humans, and halflings just fine. It's those damned useless gnomes i can't stand.{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Jeremy's miniatures with polymorphed gnomes. Will he notice? Let's find out.
KENDER FOREVER!!!!!!!!!{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Freehold's RL friends, family, and co-workers with polymorphed Joss Whedon clones. Will he notice? Let's find out.
Only briefly
I already detest the things.......I'm not talking rule mechanics. I just hate gnomes. The old school gnomes looked ugly, the WoW gnomes look ridiculous, and the Golarion gnomes look like those old "Troll" dolls from when I was a kid. Not to mention lawn gnomes deserve smashing. All gnomes deserve my undying hatred. Why do you people put up with them?I play Gnomes as if they were Kender. If I have done my job right, once you have played with me your Hate morphs all the way into Loathing.
Curious: *I* already detest Crimson Jester! ;-)
Wait, if you smash your lawn gnome then whose protecting your garden from black magic?Pink flamingos and lawn jockeys.
Fool! They're on Evil's payroll!
Gnomes are awesome!!!
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Gnomes are well gnowgn to be the best gnamed race ign existegnce, agnd you are a gnauty gnaughty persogn for thignkigng otherwise.
Oh, that takes me back to the time I put silent Gs wherever I could in the wizards boards as a form of protest because those bastards would not give us any answer about gnome minis (only much later did it become clear that this was because they'd drop gnomes from the roster in their new game).
I'm sorry Freehold, it's worse... {pulls off disguise} I am designated Seven of-, er, "Willow" of the "Scoobies." We are the Whedon Collective. {everyone around Freehold removes their disguises} You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Hatred is futile.Everyone around me is so pro-Whedon, I doubt I'd notice.KENDER FOREVER!!!!!!!!!{whispers:} We secretly replaced several of Freehold's RL friends, family, and co-workers with polymorphed Joss Whedon clones. Will he notice? Let's find out.
Fools! Did you think I didn't already know?
I love gnomes. They did get mauled in 3e by having no real niche for themselves, and before by being a race you were practically required to play as annoying as hell.
Midnight was the first to give them a distinct personality, and Pathfinder made them totally awesome.
That said, even before, it was mostly a case of people using them as an excuse for disruptive behaviour, just like dwarves, paladins and many other options in the game - and the game did push them into that corner to some extent.
But Pathfinder gnomes are awesome, they have their own identity and niche.
They're more alien than the other standard races, especially their mindset. That can be quite interesting if you want to explore something a bit more off the beaten path. As long as you make sure not to create the kind of character everyone will come to loath in short order, they can provide astounding roleplaying opportunities.
Elves, dwarves, orcs and halflings all live in the shadow of Tolkein, and the further you get from that shadow, the more 'wrong' they look to the casual gamer.
You can do *anything* with gnomes.
Once again, Set, you win the thread.
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Gnomes don't like you, either.
Gnomes don't like you, either.
They better watch themselves. Some of the people in this thread have the death sentence in 9 systems.
Gnomes don't like you, either.They better watch themselves. Some of the people in this thread have the death sentence in 9 systems.
Swashbuckler wakes up next to a paladin and a halfling cartographer
Swash: Not the weirdest people I've ever woken up next to.
Pal: What was?
Swash: 4 gnomes in a dungeon... (shudder)
later....
Swash: Aren't there ANY good looking women in this town?
Pal: Like you have standards!
Swash: I have standards!
Pal: 4 gnomes in a dungeon?
Swash: I was TRICKED!
Gnomes don't like you, either.They better watch themselves. Some of the people in this thread have the death sentence in 9 systems.
LMAO!
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Gnomes are well gnowgn to be the best gnamed race ign existegnce, agnd you are a gnauty gnaughty persogn for thignkigng otherwise.Oh, that takes me back to the time I put silent Gs wherever I could in the wizards boards as a form of protest because those bastards would not give us any answer about gnome minis (only much later did it become clear that this was because they'd drop gnomes from the roster in their new game).
Cognsider it agn homage. That protest is ogne of my favorite memories from the wizards mignis boards.
"They're a core race, damgn it!"
Wizo: "Let's see what we can do about that."
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Mystaran Gnome
Title...................Level...XP......HD.....Invent/repair
Worker..................1.......0.......1d8....10%
Supervisor..............2.......5,000...2d8....20%
Department Chief........3.......10,000..3d8....30%
Chief Executive Officer.4.......20,000..4d8....40%
+20,000 xp per level, +1hp per level, +5%/level inventing
Save as: Dwarf
Description: About 4'tall, Heads oddly larger than bodily proportions.
Traditional Gnomes are Earth Element creatures that look like Small Humans less than a foot tall (Their Elemental Rivals are Salamanders, Pixies, Nerids).
I was wondering when someone was going to bring that up.
I don't play gnomes because I just don't like them. They seem very weak and not sutible as a true player charecter race. That being said thye do make for a very interesting NPC race with strong ties to the element of earth, much like the undines to water and the salamanders to fire.On the flip side my gameing buddy always plays a gnome or halfling just for the AC bonus because of size.
It comes down to what people like to play.
always has always will.
Burn them all, kills the big ones. GNOMERCY!!!!!!!
I completed Baldur's gate once using a party entirely of gnomes.
However, if you want the definition of awful then it's the BECMI halfling. Limited to 8th level and can't even backstab a ringwraith in the knee. Utterly pointless.
Did we not have a lot of Gnome love around the boards at one time. There was even a huge load of Gninja Gnomes!!
Did we not have a lot of Gnome love around the boards at one time. There was even a huge load of Gninja Gnomes!!
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Honestly I love gnomes, can't get enough gnome, took the online "what DnD race are you?" quiz, said I was a gnome. I love that gnomes unlike other races tend to vary dramatically from setting to setting. I love dragonlance tinker gnomes, the creativity of making gadgets and the fun of bringing a little steampunk into generic fantasy, I love pathfinder fey-touched gnomes, the mischievous pranks and antics, I loved the flavor of 3.5 gnomes with their name collecting, I loved that trait when I played a gnome in 3.5 and would be like, "that's a lovely name, can I have it?"
Gnomes are my favorite race and the best race for creative players, I also love that you have to work harder because of your small size.
I've been a tinker gnome sorcerer, a 3.5 gnome alchemist, a pathfinder gnome monk. Each one was a unique gnome but each one was a blast.
Gnome hate is the last bastion of uncreative thinking :P
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Traditional Gnomes are Earth Element creatures that look like Small Humans less than a foot tall (Their Elemental Rivals are Salamanders, Pixies, Nerids).I was wondering when someone was going to bring that up.
I don't play gnomes because I just don't like them. They seem very weak and not sutible as a true player charecter race. That being said thye do make for a very interesting NPC race with strong ties to the element of earth, much like the undines to water and the salamanders to fire.On the flip side my gameing buddy always plays a gnome or halfling just for the AC bonus because of size.
It comes down to what people like to play.
always has always will.
Not really Weak. THe Traditional South East Asian Dragon (NAGA) which has the body of the giant serpent and the upper portions of a Human are also elelmentals...
I think the Traditional Elemental based Gnome is simply the bottom tier of the fallout from the Success of the Temple of Elemental Evil With Naga (Dragons) at the Top.
THey all (Naga and Gnome) have the ability of Future Sight.
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Honestly I love gnomes, can't get enough gnome, took the online "what DnD race are you?" quiz, said I was a gnome. I love that gnomes unlike other races tend to vary dramatically from setting to setting. I love dragonlance tinker gnomes, the creativity of making gadgets and the fun of bringing a little steampunk into generic fantasy, I love pathfinder fey-touched gnomes, the mischievous pranks and antics, I loved the flavor of 3.5 gnomes with their name collecting, I loved that trait when I played a gnome in 3.5 and would be like, "that's a lovely name, can I have it?"
Gnomes are my favorite race and the best race for creative players, I also love that you have to work harder because of your small size.
I've been a tinker gnome sorcerer, a 3.5 gnome alchemist, a pathfinder gnome monk. Each one was a unique gnome but each one was a blast.
Gnome hate is the last bastion of uncreative thinking :P
"that's a lovely name, can I have it?" is a short progression from Deliverance county: "You got a purtty Mouth..."
"Gnomes are awful as you are using the wrong sauces and cooking them to long, is all"
Garden Gnomes...... need I say more
Garden Gnomes...... need I say moreYes, yes you do. I've always found Garden Gnomes to be excellent tools... for target practice :D
They are in plague proportions, poison the water, kill your pets, destroy native wild life have no natural predators (other than the golf club, hockey stick or cricket bat) are bloody ugly and are of no commercial value.....or is that cane toads, they look so much alike I confuse the two.