Aaron Bitman wrote:
Thanks for all the great advice. I think my DM has figured out another way to handle our superspeedster, since he likes to run ahead and take of the toughest of the tough the DM let him and he nearly died trying to stop Black Manats supmarine, something about oh being underwater and then getting shocked nearly to death, super speed aint gonna help that. I'll show the DM your sugegstions and see what he says. Thanks agin.
The power lets you use the strength of the power as the overriding value against your opponents. Example say the hero has a speed of 10 when he punches his strength may only be a 2 which is human average but his superspeed rating lets him hit as a 10 which a str of 6 is super str capable of lifting a ton and a half. Plus he gets more actions plus he can use his SS rating in place of his dex which is how you dodge. The air control was only taken so that he wouldn't create sonic booms as he ran but now he's developing combo's with the two powers that are really powerful.
Like I said his powers are 100% legal.
apparently the game still has a lot of interest. I was following the core book on ebay for 7 days as it was listed for 5 bucks, 7 days later it went for 50. It is slightly cheaper than amazon but only by about 5 bucks and when you add in shipping and handling it went for basically the same price as amazon. Oh well. I looked at the prices on amazon for the core, cheapest was around 50 bucks used the most expensive was 500 new. nope folks that's NOT a typo 500+ bucks for a new out of print 23 year old book. I think I'm gonna pay my mortgage this month and just let it go.
On the bright side the game I'm in is still going strong so I wanted to ask a few questions.
How do you guys handle super speed, we have a speedster and he's a good friend and a really good guy but man can he break a character. Don't get me wrong it's all 100% legal but the power difference between him and the rest of us is pronounced just because of his power suite of super speed and air control. Last session he didn't mean to but he kinda launched the main bad guy into orbit. We think she may be alive but were not totally sure on that one. The villains are built to be very challenging but our DM wasn't expecting his new reoccurring villain to get launched into the upper reaches of earths orbit.
Next question what's the most memorable villain your guys ever fought using this system or BoH?
Last question for this post, Has anyone ever created a villain as a Playable character and tried it out for this system. I have an idea for the son of Ares to wreck havoc and I wanna play him as a villain and let the DM be the hero but does this system really support a continuous villan as a PC? Thoughts are welcome.
Aaron Bitman wrote:
Oh yeah. I just thought of another good resource. There's a site with stats for tons of DC characters - some of them at many different times of their existence - here.
Aaron, Thanks for the link. It's a great site. Also I have DCH 3 on pdf if you want me to send it to you. I don't know where MY DM got it but I'm sure it's not stolen or anything like that. Since the books are so rare PDF is the only way to play now. It's two hardcovers and three laptops all around the table. I have been using it for weeks with no issues and I defiantly scanned the crap outta it.If your willing to drop the cash for hard cover Amazon has the used ones for 50 and the new ones for 100.
As far as the sidekick rules they are in the DCH World at War supplement, WW2 type of adventures. I like the explanation DC gives as to why Superman didn't just go over to Germany and clean house. The Axis powers had the Spear of Destiny & The Holy Grail and were using them as magic shields against any super-beings IE any hero with power higher than 6.
So it was up to normal guys like Sgt. Rock and The Haunted Tank with help from The Monster Squad and others to get in the trenches.
Great Green God wrote:
Thanks for the info about write-ups. I had no idea about that site and it will help my game tremendously.
it sucks that WB doesn't want to do anything with the game it's till alot of fun to play.
Aaron Bitman wrote:
I don't have anything against Blood of Heroes, I just know very little about it and didn't want to confuse anyone especially myself. From some of the dated reviews I have read all BoH was a reprint of DCH as in the EXACT same material no changes, updates etc. I could be 100% wrong but that's the reviews I have read and what I have heard.
If I'm wrong please feel free to correct me, I'm still learning this system and am always looking for new stuff.
Thanks for the run down on the characters. I have started a mage from Gemworld and while the major amount of flaws I had to take to build that character are bothersome I am loving this character. In marvel SAGA system when I played a mage it was only 60% of the powers and no stunts, with DCH you gett'em all and I love that.
I guess having the JLA being part of the module having a major character in there makes sense but was that a one shot or did you start having JLA show up alot more?
Hello and thanks for taking the time to read my post.
First if anyone has any of the 2/3rd edition books let me know how and where to purchase so I can build my collection without paying ebays exorbitant prices or Amazon's which are almost as bad.
Second I'd like to hear a little but about some of the heroes and or types that you guys have created. This thread if it gets any responses will be a discussion about DC Heroes before it became blood of heroes.
For example did your DM's bring in the Justice League as reoccurring characters or did your heroes and them never meet? Did you operate in a major city or wherever you happen to be at the time?
looking forward to hearing something.
Not trying to be negative but I just want to give you some fair warning about trying to find the old DC Heroes from Mayfair. Good Luck.
I read a lot of reviews about it after I started playing it and yes it could be considered clunky by some but compared to other systems you get a real superheroic feel outta the game.
More than likely if you want ease of getting your hands on the material then go with M&M just be ready to deal with the same power creep in any other D20 system.
I generally play very amoral characters so it's a little difficult for me to determine the cruelest thing any of my characters ever did.
My last character was a tevinter nobleman mage in my DM's dragon age home brew. I had to do a few services to gain some allies on my side before I was put on trial by the magisterium for treason, the rest of the group helped until it came to killing one nobelmans bastard kids. His ex-lover killed his natural born heirs to make way for her children to assume his estates when he died so he wanted to kill her children in revenge but he couldn't be the one to do it because she had to much dirt on him. Naturally my LE mage had no problems using a dream spell and killing the 4 yr old and the 6 yr old in their sleep leaving the party non the wiser.
then it turns out the trial was a set up by the archon to have me and my friends there to witness the bloody sacrificing of 99% of the magisterium to fuel the alter that was used to rip open the fade the first time.
ok the obvious question is do you have extra turning yet. if not I would recommend it.
If your worried about your spells not reaching the incorporeal undead then take trans-dimensional spell and then take divine metamagic so your turns can be used to power the higher level spells. I would definatly recommend several deathsticks as magic items, make'em yourself if you have to.
awesome idea. I am all in favor of bringing more role playing to the table. The easiest way is to refer to the people as their character unless it's an obvious real world question such as "are we grabbing Chinese this week or Mexican or ordering pizza?"
I recommend checking out the players handbook 2 for ideas and sayings. I seem to remember reading under the clerics section about phrases like "Pelors grace shine upon you" or Pelors light shall burn the wickedness from your flesh.
I always encourage role play but remember your DM has to keep the game at a certain pace so please be mindful of that. also take a look at your group if someone with truly deep religious convictions looks uncomfortable it might be best to not do this too many times.
Other than that I'm looking forward to seeing some good RP ideas on here.
Should players play what they want and care little for a balanced party or is the balanced party an essential element of the game?
yes to both.
I'm a firm believer in the player should play what they want otherwise it's not fun and isn't that the whole point?
We have only played one game but so far were doing very well. Nobody in character knows that anyone other than the half orc is anything but human. The teiflings keep their heads covered to hide the horns and my characters asimar traits are unnoticeable unless your familiar with the planes.
we as players decided who was going to take what role in the party when we built our charterers. I was tired of being the face and wanted someone else to do it.
from having played and beaten this adventure I can only suggest the answer to your question about the townsfolk would be Not far enough.
I'm pretty sure that every resident of cauldron either died in the blast or choked to death on the smoke and ash. I'm fairly certain that the smoke and ash will impact life even as far away as the coastal city, can't remember the name but it has a major temple to wee-jas in it and the town was founded in honor of her priestess.
Actually... any more relevant details of that would be amazing.
It has been a number of years since I read that book but from what I remember Lathander had been duped by a 3rd good from the greyhawk realm into believing that by shoving tymora and besheba into a godly reverse centrifuge he would recreate his old friend Tyche, Goddess of all luck.
He actually managed to get them both in there but one of his own paladins was about to take up arms against him when he remembered himself and let them go. There was a third God or something else that showed him that instead of a centrifuge the device he had trapped the Goddesses in was actually a power stealer that would have given their divine essence to a greyhawk fire god or something like that, not really sure about that part it could have been a plot by ixum ivim but like I said it's been years since I've read the book.
Beshba was really po'd so she gave him a nice long wet kiss thus bestowing ill fortune on the God himself and thereby affecting his entire church.
I don't think Lathander was too worried about beshba's curse though, he is after all a Greater God and the chances of a intermediate( at best) Goddess being able to affect him are rather slim.
I guess the fact that my group is half hetro and half homo isn't as unique as I once thought. I've read some of the responses here and for the most part I guess it's universal you either use sexuality as a role playing story aid OR you gloss over it to varying degrees.
For my group a lot of it has to do with the setting were in as well as the GM. I have played straight characters and the DM has used my love interests as a plot device(damsel in distress much) while another DM used sexuality as a tool to advance the evil side by having a half orc barbarian attempt rape while his minions engaged us the party. I as a human male druid gave him an eye for an eye by tying him down and then raping him as a man and then shape changing into a horse to kill him as he deserved.
My take on it is this.
As much as I love DC the only time I can remember reading about homosexuals were in the Wonder Woman series when one of the amazons was asked about the sex life on the island and said matter of factly that as a sisterhood they were very close "after all 3000 years is a long time"
Unless you took the Feat Collegiate Wizard from The Complete Arcane then you get 4 per level for free instead of two. Great money saving feat.
Gruumash . wrote:
Having NOT read the entire thread I apologize if this combo has already been mentioned but a good thick cut bacon sandwich is made up of nice warm bacon fresh from the frying pan on two pieces of toast on a layer of peanut butter.
Sounds strange but it's very good.
Jal Dorak wrote:
I as a player would be fine with this but my DM seems to think that it's breaking all kinds of rules/laws/universal whatever's.
Mind you all this is coming after 15 lvl's of me casting good/sanctified/whatever type of spells I had memorized since lvl 1 so this late into it I can't see the change but he's of the mind set that once we discover a rule we MUST implement the rule.
thanks for your input.
did anyone remember the amazons from Robert E Howards conan series?
They seem very intune with what your trying for with the exeption that Mr. Howards Amazons kept males as slaves and lived in high mud walled cities on the open svanah regions and had zebra rideing archers. If you can find the issues it would be worth chechking out. The first mention of them I remember was The avage Sword of Conan during his Quest for the Cobra Crown.
That's my way of thinking too TriOmega. Thanks for the input.
OK I will try to keep this as brief as possible and still provide enough back ground to understand all the issue. Due warning Page numbers and rules will be cited this is a rules lawyer area.
During the latest game session my DM actually read the description of the clerics holy/unholy symbol under the equipment section on page 130 of the 3.5 players handbook. He is doggedly hanging onto the passage under unholy symbols where it says (or by neutral clerics who want to cast evil spells or command the undead)
I as the cleric in the party that is affected by this sudden rules change argue that on page 33 under the descriptions of chao/evil/Good/Law spells it says that a cleric can't cast any spells vs his or his deities alignment so I as a lawful neutral cleric can cast any seplls along the good/evil axis but am only stopped by the chaos vs law. Meaning I can never cast chaos spells.
My charecter is 14th lvl Lawful Neutral cleric of Wee Jas, naturally I have no choice but to command because it says so in the book again page 33 under turn/rebuke undead.
My DM is actually a very good friend and will be reading the responses here so lets please keep the discussion polite. I'm asking for rules clarification and opinions not insults.
I think that a neutral cleric should be able to cast spells like bless water, holy word, holy aura etc but because I use an UNHOLY symbol of a NEUTRAL deity my DM says they will no longer work.
I argue that the holy/unholy symbol is important for turn/rebuke NOT for general spell casting.
This is not a "please help me overrule my DM" type post.He and the rest of my group will be reading the responses so we can lay this to rest.
The solution of my charecter changeing alignment has come up but we are trying to avoid that if possible, if not, one quick attonment spell and he's brain washed to be as right thinking as a pelorite.
thanks in advance for your helpful responses.
I dunno since I'm not a parent I guess my opinion doesn't carry as much weight but I can't see anything wrong with what he did.
She to me sounds like a spoiled little princess with a bad attitude thinking everyone owes here what ever her little heart desires.
I think it's a waste to have destroyed the laptop. He should have slicked it, sold it and got his 130 bucks back. Then again maybe when he calms down and isn't quite so hurt over the things she said he would have given it back to her either way moot point whats done is done.
Ion Raven wrote:
OMG! so you know my friend Courtney too. She likes to describe herself as a free spirit but when she has 5 different guys living with her all at the same time so she has variety that's a little too free even by my standards as a hard core slut.
Back to the main topic however. All I can do to try and correct the wrongs of objectifying women in art and so forth and horrible assumption of "male" privilege is to try and objectify men more often. I honestly thought that subject was well taken care of by any of the Savage Sword of Conan magazines, the He-Man cartoons and the twilight series. Men are becoming more objectified all the time( I'm trying as hard as I can)
Seriously though. I guess I have had a incredible gaming experience. I started gaming in a group with 19 people and 3 of them were women, the next group was with 4. me and the DM his wife and our other female friend from the first game so as players it was me and two women, 3rd and 4th group all men 5th group two women and 4 guys one of the girls was learning to play and was like the groups little sister because she was in high school at the time. During those times I can remember seeing beautiful women in the artwork dressed as sorceresses,fighters,rogues, and anything else you can imagine. The men too. What king of guy goes into battle against a heavily armored opponent in a furry loin cloth? I don't care what kind of roids the guy could have done that didn't make any sense until I just realized it's the artists vision and to enjoy the piece not overly criticize it.
I think that we should just enjoy the artwork .
I have run the serpent amorpha as part of my snake themed campaign.
I used a combination of serpent amphora, freeport, and the forgotten realms setting in the area of Halruua and the Jungles of Chult.
You will all be pleased to know that after a hard fought battle the entire west coast from Washington State to California is now in the hands of the rebels.
After being changed back to our normal human selves and explaining the treachery of the vile two legged pigs my troops were thirsty for battle.
The glorious liberation of Washington then began. After the battles were over and the humans were victorious the last remaining orcs and other "people" if you can call them that are being held in reeducation facilities to help them adjust to their new lives.
Naturally any and all property either real or imagined that supposedly belonged to non-humans has been redistributed back to the rightful owners or in the case of the owners not being found has instead been sold to help fund our wartime efforts.
Grummash, the name you gave your sword is very funny and entertaining so in the same spirit I have decided to call my vibro-longsword "pig-sticker"
So what campaigns are you all in?
In Campaign # 1 I am a 10th lvl Cloistered Cleric of Wee Jas.
In Campaign # 2 I am a 11th lvl Druid of Silvanus.
In upcoming Campaign # 3 Age of Worms I plan to be a human wizard with alot of force spells so I don't have to worry about resistance at all.
In campaign # 4 I am building a half-vampire Death Knight cleric of Morning Glory (libris Mortis, eternal love & beauty through undeath)
So far that is all. As you can tell I only play spell-casters.
Nice try Grummash. That was a very, very good intelligent and sneaky idea. I wonder who gave it to you orcs? Could it have been your former goblin allies?
Oh and Comrade welcome to the rebellion whether you like it or not. Just as soon as I even mentioned any possibility of an alliance( which I knew you would never go for anyway) your "friends" really showed their true kermitty colors didn't they. Kicking you out of the U.N. and all.
Jerry Wright 307 wrote:
Didn't the martial arts use regular weapon proficiency slots?
yea it did but it really wasn't worth it from what I remember. The chance of a knock out was there but very slim. From the way I remember it there was no real monk class the way there was in 1st and 3rd so unarmed and or martial arts damage was not very well explored. You had a chart in the back of the complete fighter for knockouts and what type of martial arts move you did. Best thing outta that book was the amazon and the engineering expansion. Then again I played casters almost exclusively so what do I know about sword swingers.
yea but it's not to late to try and steer it back on topic is it?
I think the removal of Mexican American studies was a good thing and the return to a broader U.S. History class will server the students better in the long run.
A broad over view of U.S. History is the best thing for the students rather than narrowly focusing on the accomplishments or the crimes/mistakes of any other group. In other words teach it all good AND bad.
As an aside I had a great game this weekend. If any of you haven't played Shackled City OMG it's awesome.
The funny thing about stats is they can be skewed to say anything that the person reading them wants them to say. When you go beyond simple math to higher math and stats then you skew the facts based on interpretation.
The perfect example that first comes to mind is the data concerning Global warming. Some experts say this and have the data to back it up, then others using the same data can disprove the same theory.
Big Norse Wolf: I really don't think society is growing. We see what happened to the native americans as bad.. but only because we don't get any benefit from exploiting them anymore. WE don't need bison hide machine belts.
This I believe is where our major differences are. I prefer optimism and you prefer pessimism or realism if you prefer. We can both look at the exact same thing but see it entirely differently. Neither one will change the others mind nor are either of us wrong we just see things differently.
Ok but yours aren't? How many fortune 500 company executives make up the population of the U.S. The example you use is the same a small portion of the population.Since when does being a fortune 500 executive mean auto success anyway?
While your looking at stats lets look at the racial makeup of the major pro athletes in the country. As far as fortune 500 then please tell Oprah to share some of the wealth my way, or bill Cosby or any number of successful African American actors that have started their own companies and are now very successful business persons.
While we look at conviction rates and prison populations stats lets take a look at African American pop culture. When Mr. Cosby made some inflammatory remarks as a key note speaking engagement( or some such affair) he was lambasted for telling his opinion of pull up your pants, learn to speak correctly, don't expect anyone to give you anything. The answer isn't simple as looking at a bunch of numbers.
Education is one thing but that was not the way to do it.
Like your not claiming them already. Anyone can recognize your work in creating such unholy abominations. Mixing man and machine to the point where the man is nothing more than a carrier for the machine is your hallmark Feuldrop.You pass yourself off as a simple arms dealer but your "hidden" agenda is very clear.
Unfortunately that's everywhere. Take a look at some of the schools in areas like Charlotte, Raleigh or anywhere in Research Triangle Park vs the schools in the N.C. mountains like Cherokee county. The differences are shocking.
? ok now I'm slightly confused. At what point in this thread have I ever excused the horrible things that have been done by our government or their agents?I believe we have a disagreement as to whats wrong or right and as to whats just or not but we both agree some mistakes have been made in the past.
It still amazes me that so few people know about the fact that government agents kidnapped an entire generation of Indian children and sent them away for reeducation. Took away their right to speak their own language and culture then justified it as a way of helping them assimilate to modern culture. I can never find any justification for things like that but at the same time I can do nothing to fix it either. Whats to be done? we learn from it, never repeat it and move on.
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Ok comrade I can understand you being a little upset and due to you goblin intellect more than just a little confused however I would like to propose an alliance between our two groups.You know the orcs are going to bully you vertically challenged folks so why not join in the cause of us rebels?
We'll let you keep any captured orcs as YOUR slaves for a change. Granted there may not be that many survivors but the ones that do are all yours. We will even have special housing for you and them in your own section of the desert. You can mine or farm or whatever it is your kind does and have the big strong orcs do the heavy work.
I don't think anyone one this particular forum would ever fall into the trap of looking at history and denying the mistakes made by the previous citizens of this country. However those things happened so very long ago that any thought of punishment/retribution/revenge would be a very wasted and misguided effort.
OK now this just isn't fair.
From the standpoint of any good rebel fighting against the oppressive rule of an evil drow elf( or dark elf not sure of Moorlucks preference here) is one thing but fighting against a lovely lady! that's just not gentlemanly. Please do consider ruling Europe Lady Sissly I understand it is quite nice.
and now back to our regularly scheduled rebellion already in progress.
Fueldrop you fiend! How could you do that to those poor unsuspecting women. I do have to admit the replacement of the silicon implants with C4 was ingenious but still very evil. You could have completely destroyed the kitchen and the barracks section of the rebel camp however I am pleased to report no major lose of life due to sheer luck.
To: Lord President Moorluck & Fueldrop,
We appreciate your donation to our most noble cause and the models seem to like it here too, something about Hollywood and the promise of stardom after we have liberated the rest of the country appealed to them.
Now if we can just stop them from practicing their "I'm ready for my close-up Mr. De-mil" and you have NO idea how many times I have heard the academy being Thanked. All in all however the shipment was very well received. Please send more.