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That and a steady paycheck. :PIsn't that how they got you?...;)
Regarding the cost of your soul, we're not in the interest of purchasing unsolicited souls, but will make you a very fair offer should we decide yours is worth adding to our collection. Our rates for soul procurement are competitive and are very rarely refused.
I thought they hired you so they could pay Mark in cookies?...;)
I thought they hired you so they could pay Mark in cookies?...;)That and a steady paycheck. :PIsn't that how they got you?...;)
Regarding the cost of your soul, we're not in the interest of purchasing unsolicited souls, but will make you a very fair offer should we decide yours is worth adding to our collection. Our rates for soul procurement are competitive and are very rarely refused.
So... Lilith-baked cookies are the going rate for souls?
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I just don't understand the problem. So they own your item, big deal. You want to use your awesome item in your novel?
You have 2 choices: (a) Modify your item for your novel. You entered "Abulai's Helm of the Mage Killer" into the contest? Make it "Gregor's Crown of the Mage Assassin". or (b) Ask Paizo's permission to use the item. Duh. You entered the item into their contest. I'm sure they wont care if you use it in your novel as long as you denote their ownership somewhere in the book.
The ownership of the item is to protect them from being sued by YOU if they somehow use a similar or exact item in something they produce.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8
aka Tarren Dei
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Regarding the cost of your soul, we're not in the interest of purchasing unsolicited souls, but will make you a very fair offer should we decide yours is worth adding to our collection. Our rates for soul procurement are competitive and are very rarely refused.
I keep trying to sell Piazo my sole. They keep telling me I'm mispelling it.
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You can still do anything you want with the item... as long as it does not involve publishing it. or including it with published work. Want to use it for your home campaign? I don't think Paizo is going to be knocking on your door about it.
this ^ is my concern. the item i'm thinking of using is also a component to a larger scheme. i have several ideas including items, villains, race etc...the item is the basis for the whole story. its unique and i have been working out the kinks for the story. its not fully realized as an...
No. They'll drop through the ceiling on ropes and jump through windows like SWAT.
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Were are all the Rules Lawyers when you need them.
Undermine Paizo - shortchange them - just write less than 300 words.
Submit 270 and you saved 10% aka 30 words you could publish yourself.
Submit 255 and you saved 15% - no Adventure Path subscription necessary.
Submit 210 and the discount goes up to 30% - 90 words left to do with whatever you like
Submit 150 and give one item to Paizo - keep one item yourself.
Paizo might make the rules - but we are the players. Haven't you learned anything in all the years playing RPG.
Thod
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So... Lilith-baked cookies are the going rate for souls?
Marc did say the rate was reasonable and never been refused. Having tasted said cookies, I cannae argue with him. :)
... a component to a larger scheme.
...the item is the basis for the whole story.
... its unique and ...
Sounds like an artifact to me, (read: not eligible :)
Submit 255 and you saved 15% - no Adventure Path subscription necessary.
Kudos to you, sir, well played. :)
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also the clause that says something about " no misspelling....must meet all criteria" is that an out for paizo to renig and not pay for the work if one word is misspelled.
The appropriate section is "The final adventure must be written in the English language, following the Pathfinder RPG rules set, and must be written with proper spelling and grammar. The Winner must fulfill their obligations to write an adventure acceptable to Paizo Publishing before getting paid for their work. Winning the RPG Superstar contest does not guarantee the Winner payment if they don't fulfill their obligation to write the adventure or can't deliver an adventure that meets Paizo Publishing's quality standards."
Imagine this: a creative person who can't actually write bluffs his way through the contest by having his best friend with an English degree rewrite every word. Then, when it comes time for him to write his module, his friend says he can't commit to rewriting his work on that scale, so we get a manuscript that's not to the standard we expected.
That section is in the rules to ensure that if the winner can't really write after all, we don't have a problem.
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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I propose the following revisions:
The appropriate section is "The final adventure must be written in the English language, following in all material respects the Pathfinder RPG rules set, and must be written with substantially proper spelling and grammar. The Winner must fulfill their obligations to write an adventure reasonably acceptable to Paizo Publishing before getting paid for their work. Winning the RPG Superstar contest does not guarantee the Winner payment if they don't fulfill their obligation to write the adventure or can't deliver an adventure that materially complies with Paizo Publishing's quality standards. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if your adventure does not include ponies, rainbows, or skittles, it will be rejected in its entirety and you will be beaten with a nerf bat until you wet your pants. Furthermore, Sebastian rulez."
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I propose the following revisions:
The appropriate section is "The final adventure must be written in the English language, following in all material respects the Pathfinder RPG rules set, and must be written with substantially proper spelling and grammar. The Winner must fulfill their obligations to write an adventure reasonably acceptable to Paizo Publishing before getting paid for their work. Winning the RPG Superstar contest does not guarantee the Winner payment if they don't fulfill their obligation to write the adventure or can't deliver an adventure that materially complies with Paizo Publishing's quality standards. Notwithstanding the foregoing, if your adventure does not include ponies, rainbows, or skittles, it will be rejected in its entirety and you will be beaten with a nerf bat until you wet your pants. Furthermore, Sebastian rulez."
Hey Sebastian, are you some kind of lawyer or ... oh, wait.
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Chief Technical Officer
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That section is in the rules to ensure that if the winner can't really write after all, we don't have a problem.... Other than needing to rewrite the whole adventure, of course.
Well, if somebody screws up so badly we need to invoke that clause, we probably wouldn't want anybody to rewrite the submission... There would just be a mad scramble to find a *real* superstar who can write a module quickly to fill the newly created hole in the product schedule. Maybe using the winning proposal as an outline, maybe not.
But let's hope it never comes to that.
There would just be a mad scramble to find a *real* superstar who can write a module quickly to fill the newly created hole in the product schedule.
You have my number, right? Just checking... ;-)
There would just be a mad scramble to find a *real* superstar who can write a module quickly to fill the newly created hole in the product schedule.You have my number, right? Just checking... ;-)
Don't do it! It's a TRAP!!!
Oh, we have your number, all right.
That sounds so much more ominous coming from you, Vic. ;-P
Don't do it! It's a TRAP!!!
I'm inclined to believe you.
"PULL UP! And engage those Star Destroyers at point-blank range!"
"We'll last a lot longer than we will against that Deathstar!"
The item I submitted becomes the property of these fine sirs who give us all a chance to become something great (or at least more than mediocre). I feel like there might be a word missing from copyright and ownership law that could be pertinent, or I may be listening to the television lawyers who practice scripts and not law.
exclusive
Is this a real thing in this instance? Since it doesn't include the word exclusive before referring to ownership doesn't that give me some room to claim it still? Obviously not take it back, but still use it? I learned legalese from TV, so I honestly don't know if I am even talking about a real thing, please work with me.
As was already mentioned, the idea of Vic, Mark and Sean kicking down my door with assault rifles as I start reading of the list of the Giant King's hoard and telling me to "Back off before it gets ugly" is unfortunately slim.
And I know that I personally would send a cheery email saying something like "So its been ten years and NOTHING published even uses the same item slot anymore. Aside from my pride/shame in killing the *spoiler omitted* slot, I wanted to express my intent to use my item again. That cool?"
Is there any room to say that I still have a partial claim in that item? Is there any reason to worry prior to money becoming involved? Should I stop asking questions?
I am sorry but am I reading all this correctly? I mean come on guys and gals, this is the first year I can recall I have heard such complaints. Piazo isn't forcing you to compete and what they are asking in exchange for competing is not unusual for a contest of this type.
Actually, I think I remember someone getting their panties in a wad about this last year, as well. 'Could have been while I was reading posts from one of the years prior, tho.
As for the whole "one misspelled word and Paizo will steal my work!" issue....
Seriously?
I understand being protective of your work, but, c'mon, this is bordering on paranoia.
And not the good kind, y'know, where you get clones....
Is this a real thing in this instance? Since it doesn't include the word exclusive before referring to ownership doesn't that give me some room to claim it still?
The FAQ says "sole ownership." "Sole" is just about as exclusive as you can get.
I understand being protective of your work, but, c'mon, this is bordering on paranoia.
And not the good kind, y'know, where you get clones....
+1 and LOLed.
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Yeah, with so many crap entries into the contest on my part I really do hope to catch a spot in "Worst of RPG Superstar".
Now this is an idea.
What about an RPG rejects Redeemed.
PaizoCon takes the worst (or random) items submitted and shows how they can be transformed into an useful item.
They have done it with monsters - sure it can be done with crappy items.
This could even be a future idea for contestants. Take a reject and redeem it in a similar format as Monsters Redeemed.
You can tell - I'm a big fan of the register series.
Thod
hmmm i immediately edited my post when i wrote it but i don't see the edit. i was frustrated reading the replies thinking "can these guys not read" not sure what happened or if i just failed to push the submit button afterwards...anywho my edit should have said " i guess the smart play would be not to submit anything from my story and just create something new for the contest."
i get the whole "they're covering their asses" angle but some of you act as if its stupid or silly to ask questions or state concerns. this is a message board right? a perfect place to pose questions and concerns... just saying. i fully understand paizo doesn't have to do this and am thankful they are but, whats dumber asking a question about the legalities of a contest or accepting everything as they are without questioning or voicing concerns.
now back to my unanswered concern/question. what does something like this pay? is it along the lines of an earlier post $.03 a word? is this standard? if not what is standard pay for freelance work? answer or not but making fun of a question/quest for an answer is just stupid and counterproductive...mmmmkay
Paizo already said they don't discuss in public what they pay.
If you want to write for a living though, get used to giving up rights to your work. Some publishers prefer more rights than others, but all of them want something. If you don't want to lose rights, don't submit your work anywhere, simple as that.
Payment can vary widely, though .03-.05/word is probably along the usual lines. I've seen both better and worse over time, so don't fix your mind on a certain sum.
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Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 8
aka Benchak the Nightstalker
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now back to my unanswered concern/question. what does something like this pay? is it along the lines of an earlier post $.03 a word? is this standard? if not what is standard pay for freelance work? answer or not but making fun of a question/quest for an answer is just stupid and counterproductive...mmmmkay
Zynmaster, as Mark explained in his post on the previous page, they don't release that information publicly. I'll grab the relevant quote for you.
As for what we pay, we don't publicly discuss our rates or the contents of our freelancer contracts. But I can say that, should you win, you will have a chance to review the contract before signing it. This would allow you to look over exactly what criteria we require of our freelancers.
Is this a real thing in this instance? Since it doesn't include the word exclusive before referring to ownership doesn't that give me some room to claim it still?The FAQ says "sole ownership." "Sole" is just about as exclusive as you can get.
Totally missed that sole word in there, which is pretty much what I basing my thoughts on not being there.
Not that I really care, I mean, these Paizo folks have consistently put the game before the dollar, so it would be a silly shame for me to not do the same.
And honestly, as much as I believe in my superstar skills, it takes a lot more than good ideas, or even well written ones, to get published and have anyone notice. It takes a lucky break, and I'm seeing that for 4 of us coming up in a little bit.
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Regarding the cost of your soul, we're not in the interest of purchasing unsolicited souls, but will make you a very fair offer should we decide yours is worth adding to our collection. Our rates for soul procurement are competitive and are very rarely refused.
Isn't that how they got you?...;)
That and a steady paycheck. :P
What? They pay him?
I thought he paid them!
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I feel like there might be a word missing from copyright and ownership law that could be pertinent, or I may be listening to the television lawyers who practice scripts and not law.
exclusive
Is this a real thing in this instance? Since it doesn't include the word exclusive before referring to ownership doesn't that give me some room to claim it still? Obviously not take it back, but still use it? I learned legalese from TV, so I honestly don't know if I am even talking about a real thing, please work with me.
I learned all I need to know from playing 'Phoenix Wright-Ace Attorney' on the DS.
And by 'playing', I mean I looked over the shoulder of a girl on the bus while she played it.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Star Voter Season 6
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Imagine this: a creative person who can't actually write bluffs his way through the contest by having his best friend with an English degree rewrite every word. Then, when it comes time for him to write his module, his friend says he can't commit to rewriting his work on that scale, so we get a manuscript that's not to the standard we expected.That section is in the rules to ensure that if the winner can't really write after all, we don't have a problem.
Funny story that.
Sorry, thinking of her a lot tonight.
Matthew, I'd be surprised if Paizo hasn't burst down your door, held a keyboard and thesaurus to your head and forced you write something for them. Back to back Top 32 certainly shows that you have the talent (and impressive consistency :-)
They'll drop through the ceiling on ropes and jump through windows like SWAT.
No, LR, Ninjas. Like Ninjas.
I think I remember someone getting their panties in a wad about this last year, as well.
We have someone bring this up every year. Same non-issue.
Believe me, kids, Paizo gets way more out of my (and Erik's and Wolf's and Sean's, etc) time that we devote for free than they ever will from your 300 word entry. Your entry: $9. My hourly rate: over $200/hour. Hours spent on this contest for free: over 100 easily, if not way, way more. You do the math.
Just submit already.
This is just the "lame intellectual property excuse" some people have to use as a justification for never even trying. To my knowledge, none of the posting complainers ever submitted. Nor have I ever, in the history of the contest, seen a thread or page called "Huzzah! Take that Paizo, I didnt submit my awesome item and now I am a super-important gaming personality! Look upon my massive publication history and be awed!" It just doesnt happen.
also the clause that says something about " no misspelling....must meet all criteria" is that an out for paizo to renig and not pay for the work if one word is misspelled.The appropriate section is "The final adventure must be written in the English language, following the Pathfinder RPG rules set, and must be written with proper spelling and grammar. The Winner must fulfill their obligations to write an adventure acceptable to Paizo Publishing before getting paid for their work. Winning the RPG Superstar contest does not guarantee the Winner payment if they don't fulfill their obligation to write the adventure or can't deliver an adventure that meets Paizo Publishing's quality standards."
Imagine this: a creative person who can't actually write bluffs his way through the contest by having his best friend with an English degree rewrite every word. Then, when it comes time for him to write his module, his friend says he can't commit to rewriting his work on that scale, so we get a manuscript that's not to the standard we expected.
That section is in the rules to ensure that if the winner can't really write after all, we don't have a problem.
cool i get it they're just covering all their bases. i'm just cynical i guess...can you tell. the contest ends the 31st right? i may enter something. i haven't played in a while and i'll have to catch up on the rules again etc... hmm 6 days, all that can happen is i don't make the cut and that's guaranteed if i don't submit anyway. no lose situation really
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Director of Brand Strategy
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No need to discuss when you flag a post. Simply flag it an move on. I've suppressed a few ad hominem attacks on this thread going both ways, as well as posts quoting them. Let's keep this civil, please. It's not in the spirit of the contest to attack one another, nor do we want to be locking down threads or removing posts from within the contest forum, though we will if we have to.
Merry Christmas.
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For all those who think there is some evil trick behind the competition, bear in mind that half of the current Paizo staff seem to have risen from the ranks of former Superstar competitors, PFS Society Open Call entrants, Wayfinder organisers/contributors, wiki founders, or active members of the messageboards, who kept their eyes on the prize and never stopped submitting their work, despite rejection slips, and seeing their work edited by other hands.
I'm happy for every former fan who made the transition, all of whom I've had a positive online relationship with, some of whom I've gamed with. You won't find a more egalitarian meritocracy in the industry, and this year will be no exception.