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In the ICv2 article out this morning, Pathfinder is now tied with Dungeons and Dragons 4E as the best selling Role Playing Game on the market for the past quarter. Allow me to be the first to extend my congratulations to the entire Paizo team! You guys have earned it. *Salute*
Awesome, congrats guys!
Wizards may be going through a transition, but who says that the new red box/Essentials is a failure?I don't think anyone said that in this thread. But the reported number is 3rd quarter sales, and red box/Essentials didn't come out until September/October. If you look at their product schedule for the previous 2-3 months, it was pretty thin (some Dark Sun stuff, Psionic Power, and some modules).
Indeed. By contrast, Paizo doesn't have much that would drive a new influx of buyers in the next couple of months, so I can't imagine anything but a strong Q4 performance from D&D and Pathfinder dropping back into a solid second place.
If that turns out to not be true, though, it will mean something quite signficant for the state of the industry.
By the by, these are just sales numbers for people buying through their FLGS. Mainstream sales outlets like Amazon or Barnes & Noble aren't represented in those figures.
Great job to one and all at Paizo, its very well deserved, and may the road to success forever be paved in the blood of many a hero.
Amen and women
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What are you counting? I'm getting Player's Guide, Advanced Player's Guide, Gamemaster's Guide, Bestiary, then there is a dozen "Pathfinder Companion" books, several "Pathfinder Chronicles" books. And are they counting the adventure paths?
That alone is a huge indicator that Paizo is actually OUTSELLING 4E. 4E does have a ton of books out and PFRPG has only the 4.
Well in my original statement, I was counting the only books that would be considered in the "main" line. So Core, GMG, Bestiary, and APG for PF. 4e has PHB 1, PHB 2, PHB 3, MM 1, MM 2, MM 3, DMG 1, DMG 2, Martial Power 1, Martial Power 2, Arcane Power, Divine Power, Primal Power, and Psionic Power. That's 4 to 14.
But if you also include the Companion and Chronicles books, well then you need to include ALL of the other books in the 4e line that aren't those that I listed or adventures. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure that 4e would still outnumber PF. And if you include the Adventure Paths, you are effectively saying anything with the Pathfinder name on it, so you gotta include everything with the Dungeons and Dragons name on it published during 4e., minus standalone modules, if 4e has any (H1/H2/H3/P1/P2/P3/E1/E2/E3 are all "paths", so you count them). At that point, you might be roughly equal for the number of things published.
Director of Games
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Woo HOOO!
This is great news folks. We are really proud of our game, but could not do it without the fans, GMs, players, playtesters, and other enthusiasts..
Lets all just enjoy the moment. No need to get into arguments in this thread about what this means to other companies.
Good times..
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
Even if this analysis is correct, I'd still say that it was something significant moving from #2 to tied for #1, given how it seemed to be widely proposed that the gap between 1 and 2 was very significant.
In the ICv2 article out this morning, Pathfinder is now tied with Dungeons and Dragons 4E as the best selling Role Playing Game on the market for the past quarter. Allow me to be the first to extend my congratulations to the entire Paizo team! You guys have earned it. *Salute*
And Hasbro, in a raging fit of jealousy will try to buy Paizo, replace the "Pathfinder" name, fire all their talent, and put Wayne Reynolds rendered Mr. Potatoheads in place of the golem.
Of course, that's just the conspiracy theorist in me speaking.
Congrats Paizo Staff. Keep doing what you're doing. :)
-Vaz
>.>
<.<I think you may be onto something...
I doubt that even the most optimistic within Paizo expected things to go quite this well.
I've bet that Lisa did think it was possible. She is one smart cookie.
Not to rain on the parade, but do we have validation that Pathfinder and D&D are indeed tied for sales in Q32010? That might be a simple error in writing data to the table on that website. . .
I don't want to analyse the data and make any conclusions
I simply use this opportunity to say
Congratulations Paizo
and thank you for the wonderful products.
and with Paizo I mean the whole staff, not just the "famous" people that everyone thinks of.
Congrats to all of Paizo, keep up the good work.
i wonder what the ratio of equivelant books are like. so core rule book, apg, and bestiary along with chronicles when compared to players handbook, dm guide, martial, magic, divine, monster manual and forgotten realms..my guess is quite a bit higher.
Not to rain on the parade, but do we have validation that Pathfinder and D&D are indeed tied for sales in Q32010? That might be a simple error in writing data to the table on that website. . .It's not conclusive proof of a non-typo, but in this link the comment about RPG's is that Pathfinder and D&D are neck and neck.
Good catch! I think that's enough evidence (:
Congrats Paizo!
I also have to say congrats Evil Hat! The fact that Dresden Files made the list is pretty amazing. Of course, it also means White Wolf really has declined a surprising amount. FFG's 40k RPG is certainly holding fairly steady. Go Deathwatch!
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I wasn't aware Paizo had any events and if it does, there are none in my area.The Pathfinder Society.1) That is not an event
2) There is one in my area ran out of some guys basement but whatever.
Where I live, there are five stores which have PFS games. One has as many as five tables running at the same time and is running Year of the Shadow Lodge on Satuday in a week and a half. At the recent con we had about 45% PFS, 45% LFR and 10% percent everything else.
Needless to say, I think your experience and mine show why there is a great deal of discrepancy in the perceptions of what is happening out there.
To Pathfinder, I say congrats. Drive 4e into the lower levels of the Abyss.
All the Best,
Kerney
I wasn't aware Paizo had any events and if it does, there are none in my area.The Pathfinder Society.1) That is not an event
2) There is one in my area ran out of some guys basement but whatever.Where I live, there are five stores which have PFS games. One has as many as five tables running at the same time and is running Year of the Shadow Lodge on Satuday in a week and a half. At the recent con we had about 45% PFS, 45% LFR and 10% percent everything else.
Needless to say, I think your experience and mine show why there is a great deal of discrepancy in the perceptions of what is happening out there.
To Pathfinder, I say congrats. Drive 4e into the lower levels of the Abyss.
All the Best,
Kerney
Those are not events. Judging by what I looked up and the fact some one is running PFS out of his apartment, I am assuming ANYONE can start up a society game - which I presume is on par with LFR or LG or what not. That is not an "event." It's just a game with official rules lawyering.
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Congrats to Paizo. My brother just said less than a month ago that he predicts Paizo rising to the #1 spot in the RPG industry, just because of the sheer quality of your products and the enthusiasm of both the employees and the fans.
I'm not going to read into this too much, but it does seem to indicate, if nothing else, that the gap between 4e and Pathfinder is not as wide as some would suggest. Here's hoping my brothers' prediction comes true!
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Those are not events. Judging by what I looked up and the fact some one is running PFS out of his apartment, I am assuming ANYONE can start up a society game - which I presume is on par with LFR or LG or what not. That is not an "event." It's just a game with official rules lawyering.
Which is technically the same as worldwide D&D day, except for LFR and PFS you make your character beforehand or run a pre-made as you see fit, while woldwide D&D day you have to run what wizards gives you. Yes, in Worldwide D&D day you may get to keep the mini for the character you played (depending on the boxes - some years you could some you couldn't) but that's only because WotC makes the minis and can sell/give them away at a loss to write it off *shrug*
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Well earned. Paizo constantly delivers quality products using the best selling rules of all time. Here's to the future! Can't wait to continue purchasing pathfinder!
PS-I have never bought 4th edition d&d. My group just didn't want to switch rules systems. We are glad we made that choice.
Keep up the excellent work!
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Chief Technical Officer
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By the by, these are just sales numbers for people buying through their FLGS. Mainstream sales outlets like Amazon or Barnes & Noble aren't represented in those figures.
This is true, and it's not necessarily even a scientific study of that. Also not factored in here are direct sales, such as paizo.com sales (including subscriptions and PDF sales), or Wizards' D&D Insider subscriptions. Foreign translation sales and most licensed products are not going to be counted in here either.
But it's still probably the best measuring stick the industry has right now.
So...
How will YOU celebrate Paizo's new status?
(I'm undecided, but right now I'm wanting to start out with beer and fried chicken. I'd have to put my books away for that.)
So...
How will YOU celebrate Paizo's new status?(I'm undecided, but right now I'm wanting to start out with beer and fried chicken. I'd have to put my books away for that.)
I know that Jason got himself a nice steak he plans to broil tonight with a nice bottle of wine.
-Lisa
Pinot Noir?
Not to rain on anyone's parade (this is what, the fourth time that phrase is used here? :p), but the way they judged this isn't exactly "scientific" ;p
It was literally them going to a handful of stores and going "So uh, what RPGs are your best sellers?" and attempting to extrapolate widespread conclusions based on the responses.
Not to rain on anyone's parade (this is what, the fourth time that phrase is used here? :p), but the way they judged this isn't exactly "scientific" ;p
It was literally them going to a handful of stores and going "So uh, what RPGs are your best sellers?" and attempting to extrapolate widespread conclusions based on the responses.
This is true, and it's not necessarily even a scientific study of that. Also not factored in here are direct sales, such as paizo.com sales (including subscriptions and PDF sales), or Wizards' D&D Insider subscriptions. Foreign translation sales and most licensed products are not going to be counted in here either.
But it's still probably the best measuring stick the industry has right now.
Santa, I don't want a wet blanket for Christmas.
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Chief Technical Officer
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Pinot Noir?So...
How will YOU celebrate Paizo's new status?(I'm undecided, but right now I'm wanting to start out with beer and fried chicken. I'd have to put my books away for that.)
I know that Jason got himself a nice steak he plans to broil tonight with a nice bottle of wine.
-Lisa
I heard it was liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
I heard it was liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.Pinot Noir?So...
How will YOU celebrate Paizo's new status?(I'm undecided, but right now I'm wanting to start out with beer and fried chicken. I'd have to put my books away for that.)
I know that Jason got himself a nice steak he plans to broil tonight with a nice bottle of wine.
-Lisa
Nah, that's Celestial Healer. Sometimes people inspire him to be creepy.
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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Not to rain on anyone's parade (this is what, the fourth time that phrase is used here? :p), but the way they judged this isn't exactly "scientific" ;p
It was literally them going to a handful of stores and going "So uh, what RPGs are your best sellers?" and attempting to extrapolate widespread conclusions based on the responses.
Wait...isn't science based on taking data points and extrapolating widespread conclusions? ;-)
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Chief Technical Officer
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Santa, I don't want a wet blanket for Christmas.Also not factored in here are direct sales, such as paizo.com sales (including subscriptions and PDF sales), or Wizards' D&D Insider subscriptions. Foreign translation sales and most licensed products are not going to be counted in here either.
But it's still probably the best measuring stick the industry has right now.
Oh—did you think that I was suggesting that it would look *less* favorable for us if those things were factored in? :-)
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Director of Games
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Pinot Noir?So...
How will YOU celebrate Paizo's new status?(I'm undecided, but right now I'm wanting to start out with beer and fried chicken. I'd have to put my books away for that.)
I know that Jason got himself a nice steak he plans to broil tonight with a nice bottle of wine.
-Lisa
I picked up a 21 day aged ribeye from a local specialty butcher. It has been suggested that I go with a nice Zinfandel, but I am still mulling it over. I need something that is going to saute well with a mushroom and shallot blend.
Hmmm..
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer who likes good food
Oh—did you think that I was suggesting that it would look *less* favorable for us if those things were factored in? :-)Santa, I don't want a wet blanket for Christmas.Also not factored in here are direct sales, such as paizo.com sales (including subscriptions and PDF sales), or Wizards' D&D Insider subscriptions. Foreign translation sales and most licensed products are not going to be counted in here either.
But it's still probably the best measuring stick the industry has right now.
Did you really misunderstand, or are you teasing me, as the impish emoticon leads me to believe? ;-P
Truth be told, you'd make a better Santa, even though the Professor wears the outfit.
Pinot Noir?So...
How will YOU celebrate Paizo's new status?(I'm undecided, but right now I'm wanting to start out with beer and fried chicken. I'd have to put my books away for that.)
I know that Jason got himself a nice steak he plans to broil tonight with a nice bottle of wine.
-Lisa
I picked up a 21 day aged ribeye from a local specialty butcher. It has been suggested that I go with a nice Zinfandel, but I am still mulling it over. I need something that is going to saute well with a mushroom and shallot blend.
Hmmm..
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer who likes good food
Few are the things in life that don't work well with Pinot, in my opinion. Man, I'm hungry now!
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So...
How will YOU celebrate Paizo's new status?
Developing Lost Cities of Golarion until I pass out.
We're a wild bunch, alright. :)
Well, too be fair, Sean did buy me some celebratory goldfish crackers. That was pretty exciting!