How come straight guys can't say another guy's attractive?


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I very rarely have any opinion on the attractiveness of other guys. It's not (well, not consciously anyway!) homophobia or anything like that, I just genuinely have little regard for male attractiveness. Like joela suggests above I think it's at least partly driven by society. From an early age 'attractiveness' is emphasised as a very desirable quality for females to have, but not so much for guys. That does seem to be changing a bit though, which is probably healthy.


Samnell wrote:
Malachi Tarchannen wrote:
Perhaps it's just another symptom of an effiminate culture.
This equation of femininity with degeneracy is really not improving your looks any. I think you need a makeover. Maybe some pastel sweatervests? I know you like the conservative look, so you can wear them with simple white button-downs and ties that match your eyes.

Wearing a button-down collar with a tie is a sin against humanity

now, repeat after me

1)a tie should always be worn with a stanard collar, or a cutaway if you have a neck & face that can carry it off.

2)the bottom button of a jacket should never be done up, same for waistcoats (vests) unless its evening wear

3)Trousers (with a suit) should hang from the shoulders, not the waist - belts are BAD in formal dress


oh, and black suit, white shirt, self-coloured tie will make you look washed out and anemic

what DO they teach people now-a-days?

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Berik wrote:
I very rarely have any opinion on the attractiveness of other guys. It's not (well, not consciously anyway!) homophobia or anything like that, I just genuinely have little regard for male attractiveness. Like joela suggests above I think it's at least partly driven by society. From an early age 'attractiveness' is emphasised as a very desirable quality for females to have, but not so much for guys.

Yah. Guys will review other guys clothing to make sure they're dressed appropriately for a particular setting. Or as an identifier if meeting a stranger for job interview, new friend, etc.

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Loztastic wrote:

oh, and black suit, white shirt, self-coloured tie will make you look washed out and anemic

what DO they teach people now-a-days?

Socks, shoes, and belt should be all the same colour. try to match belt buckle with watch.

Liberty's Edge

Excellent points in the last several posts--and a straight man knowing these things in no way means he's gay or metro; knowing them means he's cultured.

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Andrew Turner wrote:
Excellent points in the last several posts--and a straight man knowing these things in no way means he's gay or metro; knowing them means he's cultured.

I don't see knowing the attractiveness level of another guy as homosexual at all, I see it as knowing your competition.

Liberty's Edge

*Runs amok*


Loztastic wrote:


Wearing a button-down collar with a tie is a sin against humanity

Ties are sins against humanity. We'll all burn together. :)

Liberty's Edge

Considering it's straight folk that are overpopulating the earth, it's probably more accurate to say it's us straight folks who are running amok and wreaking havoc...just sayin.

Liberty's Edge

Why are we making it "us" versus "them"? Can't we all agree that I am clearly awesome?


Answering the OP:

1. Cultural stuff

2. It is more funny to speak about the "ugly face" of your friend, we grown men love humour (even stupid and retarded humour9, compliments aren't funny, some insults are under the rigth circumnstances.


Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Considering it's straight folk that are overpopulating the earth, it's probably more accurate to say it's us straight folks who are running amok and wreaking havoc...just sayin.

As a not overly attractive - by Swedish standards, so still above the world average ;) - straight guy, let me just state that I'm all for a greater percentage of the world male population being gay. Anything that cuts down on the competition is fine by me.

Grand Lodge

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joela wrote:

Or when they do, they follow up and say, "and I'm straight."

Straight women do it all the time about other women. It's meant as a compliment (or jealousy), not a desire to jump on their bones (to put it crudely).

Because in effect... it's treating the other guy as if he were a "woman", or labeling oneself as a woman in behavior. You have to understand that a man seeing "unmanly" behavior in another man is conditioned to see that as an attack on his own manliness.

This is why men view gay men differently than they view lesbian women.

Liberty's Edge

LazarX wrote:
joela wrote:

Or when they do, they follow up and say, "and I'm straight."

Straight women do it all the time about other women. It's meant as a compliment (or jealousy), not a desire to jump on their bones (to put it crudely).

Because in effect... it's treating the other guy as if he were a "woman", or labeling oneself as a woman in behavior. You have to understand that a man seeing "unmanly" behavior in another man is conditioned to see that as an attack on his own manliness.

This is why men view gay men differently than they view lesbian women.

We do?

Scarab Sages

LazarX wrote:
This is why men view gay men differently than they view lesbian women.
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
We do?

Yes; the latter are usually watched with the freeze-frame shuffle button.


Snorter wrote:
LazarX wrote:
This is why men view gay men differently than they view lesbian women.
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
We do?
Yes; the latter are usually watched with the freeze-frame shuffle button.

Or told we just haven't met the right dick yet. [bad joke]As if they could guess the number of dicks I've had to meet.[/bad joke]


For me most part, I'd say its that men suck at both giving and receiving compliments. Forget someone's sexual orientation, men just don't spend time doing the small talk thing, and that extends into saying someone's attractive unless we really want to get into their pants.


Freehold DM wrote:
For me most part, I'd say its that men suck at both giving and receiving compliments. Forget someone's sexual orientation, men just don't spend time doing the small talk thing, and that extends into saying someone's attractive unless we really want to get into their pants.

*steals Freehold DM's pants, then leaves in them*


Kajehase wrote:
As a not overly attractive - by Swedish standards, so still above the world average ;) - straight guy, let me just state that I'm all for a greater percentage of the world male population being gay. Anything that cuts down on the competition is fine by me.

As a gay guy, I am also for a greater percentage of the world male population being gay. Especially the cute male population. :)


I also think it's because of insecurity. If you tell a guy he looks nice, he might go talk to that blonde over there with the bigguns.
And @Nebulous_Mistress: Badum tshh!


Freehold DM's Doppelganger wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
For me most part, I'd say its that men suck at both giving and receiving compliments. Forget someone's sexual orientation, men just don't spend time doing the small talk thing, and that extends into saying someone's attractive unless we really want to get into their pants.
*steals Freehold DM's pants, then leaves in them*

Good GOD...that stunningly handsome man just took off with my PANTS!

Stop, you vertiable buffet of manliness! You're stealing my pants! I need those, I have to go to work tonight! They'll never understand if I show up pants-less! Halt, you charming nubian caesar!


Studpuffin wrote:
Why are we making it "us" versus "them"? Can't we all agree that I am clearly awesome?

No awesome is not the word..... lets see what is the word. Flocking? No that isn't it. Hmm Humble? No defiantly not. I know.

SPECTAULAROMOUS!


Freehold DM wrote:
For me most part, I'd say its that men suck at both giving and receiving compliments. Forget someone's sexual orientation, men just don't spend time doing the small talk thing, and that extends into saying someone's attractive unless we really want to get into their pants.

maybe that is my problem. My wife tells me to STFU every time I give her, or anyone else any lip about calling me cute. I don't see it, but there is no accounting for taste.


Samnell wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
As a not overly attractive - by Swedish standards, so still above the world average ;) - straight guy, let me just state that I'm all for a greater percentage of the world male population being gay. Anything that cuts down on the competition is fine by me.
As a gay guy, I am also for a greater percentage of the world male population being gay. Especially the cute male population. :)

LMAO I wonder why? :D


The Crimson Jester, Rogue Lord wrote:


maybe that is my problem. My wife tells me to STFU every time I give her, or anyone else any lip about calling me cute. I don't see it, but there is no accounting for taste.

Post a pic and maybe we can help you out. It may take some hard work, but I'm sure we're up to the task.

*rimshot*


Samnell wrote:
The Crimson Jester, Rogue Lord wrote:


maybe that is my problem. My wife tells me to STFU every time I give her, or anyone else any lip about calling me cute. I don't see it, but there is no accounting for taste.

Post a pic and maybe we can help you out. It may take some hard work, but I'm sure we're up to the task.

*rimshot*

Ha. too late.


Now that Ned Beatty ... he has purdy lips.


Well, I think I’ll go and rent me a movie right now;
Go and get something I ain’t never seen.
And on the discount rack, I see Deliverance,
And I’m watchin’ it now and they’ve got to that scene
Where they meet the hillbillies and they’re big and they’re mean…
And who’s that crawlin’ ‘round on his knees?
It’s Ned Beatty! (Beatty!) Ned Bea-yay-yay!
Ned Beatty had the hardest part
‘Cause redneck love leaves emotional scars.
I guess he didn’t read the script too far;
Ned Beatty had the hardest part!

Well, I wonder what kind of parts Ned turned down –
Oh, I wonder how desperate he was.
‘Cause I’ve heard it’s pretty tough in Hollywood,
But I woouldn’t ever let them tie me to a tree;
Screamin’ and holdin’ up my BVDs;
Waitin’ for Burt to come and rescue me,
Sayin’ “Hey Burt!” (Hey Burt) Hey-yay-yay!
Ned Beatty had the hardest part.
If you got a purty mouth, you can be a big star.
I bet the next day, his agent got fired.
Ned Beatty had the hardest part!

Well, don’t let ‘em get you Ned – don’t let ‘em next to you!
Don’t let ‘em get you Ned – you know what he wants to do!
Think of your momma Ned – put you through drama school;
Is this what she had in mind? You think she’s proud of you?

Ned Beatty! (Beatty!) Ned Bea-yay-yay!
Ned Beatty had the hardest part!
He’s taken method acting just a bit too far,
‘Cause this ain’t exactly Shakespeare-in-the-Park.
Ned Beatty had the hardest part!

Ned Beatty had the ha-a-a-a-a-a-arde-e-e-e-est pa-a-a-a-art!

Who-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oa-oa!
…had the hardest part!
O-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oa-oa!
…had the hardest part…


Being bisexual, I find not being attracted to an entire sex an alien, and, subjectively, abnormal thing. But there you go.

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Freehold DM wrote:
For me most part, I'd say its that men suck at both giving and receiving compliments. Forget someone's sexual orientation, men just don't spend time doing the small talk thing, and that extends into saying someone's attractive unless we really want to get into their pants.

Good point, though I think guys can do small talk. However, it usually tends to be more focused on non-personal things like jobs, hobbies, family life, etc.


I, personally, am very straight. All my... couplings.... have been with women.

That said, I would pay money to touch the bare chest of David Boreanaz. The man has mezmerized me since Buffy. I guess I just find him to be a lot of what I would like to be.


I think we can all agree (the men anyway) that more cute guys need to be gay. I am putting it to a vote. All in favor say "aye."
Aye


There's shallow ... and there's irony. A great recipe for disaster.

Grand Lodge

Alla you posters got it goin on!

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

I saw this fella in the mirror today, and I just had to tell him he was lookin' good.
Ain't nothin' wrong with that.


Adam Daigle wrote:

I saw this fella in the mirror today, and I just had to tell him he was lookin' good.

Ain't nothin' wrong with that.

Is it bad if you don't see ANYTHING in the mirror? I should get my eye checked.

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

If I were you, I'd consult my family physi....er, necromancer.

The Exchange

F33b wrote:

Louis: Looking good, Billy Ray!

Billy Ray: Feeling good, Louis!

[threadjack]I LOVE that movie! Dan Akroyd's scene with the Santa Claus suit and the fish made me laugh till I cried![/threadjack]

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From the rarified perspective (being male to female transsexual) I can bring to the table, I will say that it has a lot to do with male heterosexual stereotyping.

Heterosexual men in most western nations are brought up with the social programming "Only women can be found attractive"

It's pure social programming.

Where I come from geographically, it was wrong to find anyone who was not:

a) Opposite sex
b) Same race
c) Same religious background
d) Same economic level

to be not only unattractive, but taboo.

And I'm only 34 years old.

I think this will become more and more socially acceptable over time.

Silver Crusade

I cannot see acknowledging the attractiveness of another male as a bad thing. Who cares. If someone looks good, they look good. I also see no problem complimenting my friends on what they're wearing either. If I like it, I will say so.

People are too quick to judge someone as "gay". Especially other men. Again, it is a social expectation or norm or something. Ignore it. I would encourage more men to actively praise the members of our gender. We should feel free to boost ourselves with positive comments!

Liberty's Edge

Chubbs McGee wrote:

I cannot see acknowledging the attractiveness of another male as a bad thing. Who cares. If someone looks good, they look good. I also see no problem complimenting my friends on what they're wearing either. If I like it, I will say so.

People are too quick to judge someone as "gay". Especially other men. Again, it is a social expectation or norm or something. Ignore it. I would encourage more men to actively praise the members of our gender. We should feel free to boost ourselves with positive comments!

You’re a good looking man Chubbs. I like the cardigan you were wearing on Friday too.

Just sayin’...

Liberty's Edge

Speaking personally, I don’t really get it when I hear guys say things like ‘I don’t know how to judge attractiveness in a another man’ or ‘I don’t find any men at all attractive’.

Thinking someone is attractive is not the same as being attracted to them. I can understand a straight guy not understanding what it is that women (or gay men) find attractive in a man (‘cos sometimes it seems to make no sense), but surely the majority of men at least have some idea of what they would like to look like (or not look like)? It might be ‘I wish I looked like Brad Pitt’ (or whoever it is the ladies are swooning over nowadays) or ‘it would be cool if I was a bit taller or had more muscle tone’ – there you go, now you know what YOU find attractive in a man, even if you don’t know exactly why.

As for telling other guys they are attractive, I don’t often feel the compulsion to do so (even if I might absently think it), but if I’m really taken with what a friend is wearing, or think their new haircut (or whatever) looks good, or if I just think they need a bit of a cheer-up or confidence booster.

Silver Crusade

Mothman wrote:

You’re a good looking man Chubbs. I like the cardigan you were wearing on Friday too.

Just sayin’...

Thanks dude! I felt very "Perry Como"!

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The Black Bard wrote:


That said, I would pay money to touch the bare chest of David Boreanaz. The man has mezmerized me since Buffy. I guess I just find him to be a lot of what I would like to be.

Many guys are willing to say that, i.e., emulate/be/take over another guy's position in life.

Liberty's Edge

joela wrote:
The Black Bard wrote:


That said, I would pay money to touch the bare chest of David Boreanaz. The man has mezmerized me since Buffy. I guess I just find him to be a lot of what I would like to be.
Many guys are willing to say that, i.e., emulate/be/take over another guy's position in life.

David Boreanaz is a good looking guy. Don’t think I’d pay money to touch his chest though ... or any part of him ... or do it for free ... or want to do it ...


Chubbs McGee wrote:
Mothman wrote:

You’re a good looking man Chubbs. I like the cardigan you were wearing on Friday too.

Just sayin’...

Thanks dude! I felt very "Perry Como"!

Chubbs is a clothes horse he spends more money on clothes and "man care" products than role-playing games. He needs to get his priorities right :-)


I just don't really think about it. I have no aversion to pointing out that a guy is attractive, but it just never occurs to me. I will compliment a guy on his shirt, or tie, or suit or whatever, however. If I am in the company of a lady (or a homosexual friend), and they comment on a man being attractive, I will agree or disagree, but it just never occurs to me to say "Hey Tom, you are one good looking guy!"

Liberty's Edge

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Samnell wrote:
Loztastic wrote:


Wearing a button-down collar with a tie is a sin against humanity
Ties are sins against humanity. We'll all burn together. :)

Reminds me of a scene in the Brit series "Survivors" where, after more than 90% of the population has died of a plague, there was a guy in a tie, and I said to my daughter: "He's got to be insane." and sure enough, he tries to blow up the protagonists.

I mean, who the f!~$ would wear a tie after the apocalypse?


Nebulous_Mistress wrote:
Snorter wrote:
LazarX wrote:
This is why men view gay men differently than they view lesbian women.
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
We do?
Yes; the latter are usually watched with the freeze-frame shuffle button.
Or told we just haven't met the right dick yet. [bad joke]As if they could guess the number of dicks I've had to meet.[/bad joke]

Ok I don't remember seeing you there when I told my aunt I was gay and she came back with the line "You are NOT, You just havn't met the right woman yet"

I just sorta looked at her like she had lost it and then realised she really did believe that.

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