LN at best. Inara isn't good. She just isn't evil.1. This thread should be locked.
2. Since it's not locked it needs another Firefly observation. Inara Serra is a positive example of a Companion/Prostitute. In Pathfinder terms she is also Lawful Good. The sexual tension in her relationship with Mal is what happens when Lawful Good and Chaotic Good consider mating.
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Kerney
She went to Miranda. She was always caring for her fellow crew and showed absolutely no greedy tendencies, unlike Jayne. I go with good. Regardless, her relationship w/ Mal is a good example of what happens when Lawfuls and Chaotics feel sexual tension.
All the Best,
Kerney
I don't even think lawful. She is just as much of a rogue as the rest in there, just more gussied up. I still hate that Jayne was portrayed as the "dumb" one because he was the only sane character. Also, river should have been shot in the head in episode one, would have made the series 1000% better.
I don't even think lawful. She is just as much of a rogue as the rest in there, just more gussied up. I still hate that Jayne was portrayed as the "dumb" one because he was the only sane character. Also, river should have been shot in the head in episode one, would have made the series 1000% better.LN at best. Inara isn't good. She just isn't evil.1. This thread should be locked.
2. Since it's not locked it needs another Firefly observation. Inara Serra is a positive example of a Companion/Prostitute. In Pathfinder terms she is also Lawful Good. The sexual tension in her relationship with Mal is what happens when Lawful Good and Chaotic Good consider mating.
All the Best,
Kerney
She went to Miranda. She was always caring for her fellow crew and showed absolutely no greedy tendencies, unlike Jayne. I go with good. Regardless, her relationship w/ Mal is a good example of what happens when Lawfuls and Chaotics feel sexual tension.
All the Best,
Kerney
Yeah, I never really understood the cult obsession with River. It just seems that she was a favorite of the slightly mentally imbalanced fan girls out there.
On a related note, never ever date Psychology majors....
Yeah, I never really understood the cult obsession with River. It just seems that she was a favorite of the slightly mentally imbalanced fan girls out there.
She's The Woobie! The other stuff is just window dressing.
Yeah, I never really understood the cult obsession with River. It just seems that she was a favorite of the slightly mentally imbalanced fan girls out there.She's The Woobie! The other stuff is just window dressing.
Except her behavior made me want to kill her. And the actress is butt ugly.
River aside {yeah over done} At lest we can all agree firefly was most awesome yes?
Except her behavior made me want to kill her. And the actress is butt ugly.Yeah, I never really understood the cult obsession with River. It just seems that she was a favorite of the slightly mentally imbalanced fan girls out there.She's The Woobie! The other stuff is just window dressing.
Overdone? Yes, I can agree.
"Butt Ugly? Summer Glau??
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Not all groups are the same. Some may be kosher with sex tension, others will embrace it as a viable RP, but I will never deal with this content in public. I do have to say that this is one of the reasons I left fourth on the curb and stomped it to oblivion. If there are no good detailed antagonist feats/talents etc. There is very little surprise for the players, I have a group that is for lack of a better term, pro. I need all the help I can get to keep it challenging and interesting for them.
Except her behavior made me want to kill her. And the actress is butt ugly.Yeah, I never really understood the cult obsession with River. It just seems that she was a favorite of the slightly mentally imbalanced fan girls out there.She's The Woobie! The other stuff is just window dressing.
She was the Wesley or Scrappy. And what? Ugly? You, sir, have no taste.
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That's all fine, but I never said that prostitution is an objective evil though I can see how it could be read that way. I don't believe it is, it's something with a lot of grey areas. My point was that I don't think there's anything wrong in terms of grammar with "I believe that prostitution is an objective moral evil". I disagree with the sentiment being expressed in the sentence, I was just disagreeing with Larry Lichman that the sentence itself was phrased incorrectly.If something is objective, that means that it is, whether you believe it or not. It's objective that concrete is hard. It doesn't matter if you think so or not, it is. When something is entirely a matter of perspective, that makes it subjective. So prostitution is /subjectively/ evil. Some people believe that it's a sin and only wicked people would be part of it. Having known a few sex workers as people outside their profession, I do not consider this to be the case. Since it's not illegal everywhere (not even in the entire United States) and is a recognized industry in several developed nations (which is the default standard for moral authority for some reason) I think one would be hard-pressed to support the notion that it is /objectively/ evil.
For what it's worth I think his statement makes perfect sense. It's one thing to believe that there is such a thing as objective evil, but that doesn't mean that everybody agrees on what is in that 'objectively evil' category.
I believe that prostitution is an objective moral evil.Anybody else see something wrong with this statement (emphasis mine)?
His statement about objectivity seems to me very subjective...
Oh, I agree it's OK grammatically. I just found it ironic that he would use a subjective statement of opinion as an attempt to support something as an objective fact.
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I don't see why this would suprise or bother anybody.
I can see a lot of those male players playing female Calistria cleric having sudden hangups on discovering this element of the church.
Sex has always been far more disturbing to Americans than violence. I remember Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction during Super Bowl halftime getting to the point of almost requiring immediate Congressional action.
Exactly, and that's the reason why page 321 of APG or the disemboweled troll from City of Strangers are OK, but any nakedish females need to have their nipples covered.
Exactly, and that's the reason why page 321 of APG or the disemboweled troll from City of Strangers are OK, but any nakedish females need to have their nipples covered.
I don't see why this would suprise or bother anybody.
I can see a lot of those male players playing female Calistria cleric having sudden hangups on discovering this element of the church.
Sex has always been far more disturbing to Americans than violence. I remember Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction during Super Bowl halftime getting to the point of almost requiring immediate Congressional action.
Is that serious or humor? I cannot tell which. :(
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Is that serious or humor? I cannot tell which. :(Exactly, and that's the reason why page 321 of APG or the disemboweled troll from City of Strangers are OK, but any nakedish females need to have their nipples covered.
I don't see why this would suprise or bother anybody.
I can see a lot of those male players playing female Calistria cleric having sudden hangups on discovering this element of the church.
Sex has always been far more disturbing to Americans than violence. I remember Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction during Super Bowl halftime getting to the point of almost requiring immediate Congressional action.
That's a jaded European who has to bear with his gaming material being adjusted to fit the hypocrite American public :)
That's a jaded European who has to bear with his gaming material being adjusted to fit the hypocrite American public :)Is that serious or humor? I cannot tell which. :(Exactly, and that's the reason why page 321 of APG or the disemboweled troll from City of Strangers are OK, but any nakedish females need to have their nipples covered.
I don't see why this would suprise or bother anybody.
I can see a lot of those male players playing female Calistria cleric having sudden hangups on discovering this element of the church.
Sex has always been far more disturbing to Americans than violence. I remember Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction during Super Bowl halftime getting to the point of almost requiring immediate Congressional action.
That's right, in some parts of Europe (I am certain of Germany) blood splatter causes material to be flagged as "adult." (Correctly, IMHO)
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Gah! It's like a train wreck, I can't look away.
On the Burka
On security, that one's a bit more straightforward. You can hide your identity, or just about anything in that thing. For places like airports etc, the answer should be a female officer checking you out (like how body searches are done in Amercian prisons). For a speeding ticket/drivers license/other infraction, the burka wearer needs to understand that it is a concession to the privlege of having a driver's license/driving a car/functioning in society to be forced to doff the thing when checking for ID. If there's a number of 'burka bombers' (see Israel) then the Western Muslims (as opposed to Western Muslims) would have to accept it is a reasonable suspicion. Along those lines, look at WSOP. Those folks wear shades/hats, jackets, anything to hide tells. At the game it's normal. Would you really want these guys walking into a bank and not draw attention dressed like that?
On if it's APG or APG-13
On Firefly
I'm a Flan I'll admit, but to be honest, Gina Torres is the hotness, not Summer. She's cute, and apparently nice IRL, but I dislike sticks, physically. I'd enjoy meeting her and talking shop, but that holds true for most actors/actresses. She can move and dance and act though.[/url]
Finally, on titles
[spoiler]I do wish Jared would be more polite. When I got into the top 32 two years ago, I felt that having that label after my name meant, intentionally or not, I'd be associated w/Paizo on the boards, and try (not always succeed, but try damnit) to conduct myself respectfully. Doubly so now that I've a 'top 8' attached. I feel that entering the contest and making it to the first round obligates me to not be a Richard on the boards. Jared doesn't share that feeling, more's the shame.
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That's right, in some parts of Europe (I am certain of Germany) blood splatter causes material to be flagged as "adult." (Correctly, IMHO)That's a jaded European who has to bear with his gaming material being adjusted to fit the hypocrite American public :)Is that serious or humor? I cannot tell which. :(
Exactly, and that's the reason why page 321 of APG or the disemboweled troll from City of Strangers are OK, but any nakedish females need to have their nipples covered.I remember one episode of Highlander set in Nazi Germany. The director was talking about all the hoops that they had to go through to comply with European laws about Nazi imagery, things that don't make the average American bat an eye. At the same time, there was a scene or two cut out of the American broadcast because they were a little, um, cheeky. (Nephertiti and one with Duncan's first GF, IIRC.)
*shrug* different cultures.
And franco-bashing aside, I did cheer when she threatened to use the blow torch on Joan Jett. "You may be immortal, but take one step closer and I'll give you a facial you'll never forget."
After thumbing around through my copy of City of Strangers last night, I highly recommend that the OP avoid this supplement.
Male prostitutes. Specialty undead "courtesans". Slavery. Child endangerment.
The list goes on.
I don't have a problem with it, but YMMV.
Not to start annother alignment debate, (or maybe to derail this thread more) but Mal was not Chaotic. I think he was textbook lawful good. He just wanted to pretend he wasn't. He had a strong, well defined personal code that he always followed and sacrificed of himself to help others. Just because this clashed with the current regime does not mean he was chaotic. Same with Robinhood.
Gah! It's like a train wreck, I can't look away.
On Firefly
Spoiler:I'm a Flan I'll admit, but to be honest, Gina Torres is the hotness, not Summer. She's cute, and apparently nice IRL, but I dislike sticks, physically. I'd enjoy meeting her and talking shop, but that holds true for most actors/actresses. She can move and dance and act though.
I was not attempting to create a "hotness" ranking of the actresses from Firefly. I was reacting to meatrace's insane comment that Summer Glau is "butt ugly."
By the way, you need to spell check your post. I don't think that you are a "custard."
Not to start annother alignment debate, (or maybe to derail this thread more) but Mal was not Chaotic. I think he was textbook lawful good. He just wanted to pretend he wasn't. He had a strong, well defined personal code that he always followed and sacrificed of himself to help others. Just because this clashed with the current regime does not mean he was chaotic. Same with Robinhood.
Robin Hood was Neutral on Law v Chaos, at best. But that's neither here nor there.
Also, CG specifically lists "personal moral compass" as part of the alignment. "Law" is inherently assumed to be a higher, regimented power structure that has its own rules and regulations, not a personal ethical code.
Not to start annother alignment debate, (or maybe to derail this thread more) but Mal was not Chaotic. I think he was textbook lawful good. He just wanted to pretend he wasn't. He had a strong, well defined personal code that he always followed and sacrificed of himself to help others. Just because this clashed with the current regime does not mean he was chaotic. Same with Robinhood.Robin Hood was Neutral on Law v Chaos, at best. But that's neither here nor there.
Depends entirely on which Robin Hood you are talking about.
You could be talking about the one who follows his liege lord to battle in a distant land, where he gets captured, held prisoner, and eventually escapes and makes his way back home, only to find a usurper on the throne. When confronted, this userper defeats him, and strips him of his rightful lands, so Robin vows to clens this evil and unlawful ruler from the lands, so he forms an army of those dissilusioned so he can give the land back to the rightful king and settle once all is right with the world. You could play this Robin Hood as a Paladin, and champion of justice.
Or you could be talking about some of the many variants that do not have him as any kind of nobility, as one who does not have loyalty to the king, or many other chaotic variations. Personally, I prefer the lawful version.
Not to start annother alignment debate, (or maybe to derail this thread more) but Mal was not Chaotic. I think he was textbook lawful good. He just wanted to pretend he wasn't. He had a strong, well defined personal code that he always followed and sacrificed of himself to help others. Just because this clashed with the current regime does not mean he was chaotic. Same with Robinhood.Robin Hood was Neutral on Law v Chaos, at best. But that's neither here nor there.Depends entirely on which Robin Hood you are talking about.
You could be talking about the one who follows his liege lord to battle in a distant land, where he gets captured, held prisoner, and eventually escapes and makes his way back home, only to find a usurper on the throne. When confronted, this userper defeats him, and strips him of his rightful lands, so Robin vows to clens this evil and unlawful ruler from the lands, so he forms an army of those dissilusioned so he can give the land back to the rightful king and settle once all is right with the world. You could play this Robin Hood as a Paladin, and champion of justice.
Or you could be talking about some of the many variants that do not have him as any kind of nobility, as one who does not have loyalty to the king, or many other chaotic variations. Personally, I prefer the lawful version.
One, that is not the traditional Robin Hood. And two, that still doesn't make him Lawful.
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Gah! It's like a train wreck, I can't look away.
On Firefly
** spoiler omitted **
I was not attempting to create a "hotness" ranking of the actresses from Firefly. I was reacting to meatrace's insane comment that Summer Glau is "butt ugly."
By the way, you need to spell check your post. I don't think that you are a "custard."
Nope, I'm a Flan ;-)
And yes, but with a nick like meatrace, are you surprised? ;-)
I have to say that, regardless of the morality of prostitution and what side of it you fall on, I think the bonuses given for having been a temple prostitute for the Calistrian religion are well-chosen.
Ultimately, that's what matters to me. Good flavor for Pathfinder characters.
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I'm not Christian or American. Check your assumptions.I never said you were. nevertheless, that does not mean that your moral reaction here is not heavily influenced by judeo-christian values from the western society you live in. And unless you live under a rock, you've been influenced by American culture.
Check your own assumptions. Thanks for playing.
Really, Judeo-Christian-Islamic..
They are all the Children of Abraham and "Western" society has been heavily influenced by Islam thru centuries of close interaction.
Sure it does. It's wholly within the Lawful mindset to continue to follow The Law as set forth by the rightful leader, and fight against the oppressors.
One, that is not the traditional Robin Hood. And two, that still doesn't make him Lawful.
Except he is breaking the law of his own country.
Except he is breaking the law of his own country.Sure it does. It's wholly within the Lawful mindset to continue to follow The Law as set forth by the rightful leader, and fight against the oppressors.
One, that is not the traditional Robin Hood. And two, that still doesn't make him Lawful.
No, he is not. The ruler is not the rightful ruler, and therefore following him would be unlawful. If Paladins do not have to respect illegitamet authority, why should other lawful characters.
Except he is breaking the law of his own country.Sure it does. It's wholly within the Lawful mindset to continue to follow The Law as set forth by the rightful leader, and fight against the oppressors.
One, that is not the traditional Robin Hood. And two, that still doesn't make him Lawful.
I think it's fair to say that interpreting a legendary folk hero into D&D classifications is more of an art than a science so there's not much point in getting argumentative about it.
That said, I would also say that making Robin Hood LG would probably be a minority interpretation. I think most would make him NG to CG. I put him on the CG end of the spectrum myself. But then, I also prefer him as a hero of the common people as in the earlier versions of the tales.
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My only problem with Paizo addressing issues of slavery and prostitution in a less than "only for the bad guys" light is the issue of Pathfinder Organized Play. Having lived through (and personally suffered from) the Jack Chick Era, I cringe at the idea of a player sitting down at a table during a convention and proclaiming in a proud gamer voice that he/she "brought his slave prostitute along and does anyone want a go at her/him before the adventure starts?"
But none of this is new to gaming. Paradigm Concepts Inc. had a similar feat "Courtesan" and a prestige class "Dark Consort" in the original Arcanis setting. And one could argue that their Larissan Dancer prestige class was also in this vein.
The world is not coming to an end.
No, he is not. The ruler is not the rightful ruler, and therefore following him would be unlawful.
Which doesn't magically destroy all the common laws against robbery, assault, theft, murder, etc.
After thumbing around through my copy of City of Strangers last night, I highly recommend that the OP avoid this supplement.
Male prostitutes. Specialty undead "courtesans". Slavery. Child endangerment.
The list goes on.
I don't have a problem with it, but YMMV.
O,o?
SOLD!!!!
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No, he is not. The ruler is not the rightful ruler, and therefore following him would be unlawful.
Uhm.
John was Richard's brother. Richard gallivanted off to another country, leaving some commoner behind as Justicar, mostly as a slap in the face towards his younger brother. John, as someone who was in line for the throne, decided to assert his right, and being rather popular in London, took over the position while Richard was explicitly not doing his job as King, and upon Richard's return to England, John was named heir presumptive, and became the legitimate king of England in 1199, ruling for nearly 20 years.
IN WHAT WAY was John not the rightful ruler?
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I was not attempting to create a "hotness" ranking of the actresses from Firefly.
Ok, I will.
Kaylee = River > YoSaffBridge > Zoe > Inara
That I'm ranking the uber-hot Morena Baccarin last on this list tells you how crazy gorgeous the actresses on that show were. Although I am among the few who seems to prefer her short hair on V...Anna might have moved up a couple of slots on the listing.
I don't know if this was covered before, but Sword and Sorcery's Scarred Land Setting Featured a Sacred Prostitute Prestige Class- The Courtesan of Idra, specializing in seduction and the acquisition of secrets via pillow talk, as well as access to a sorority of agents and support across the campaign world.
The idea of such an individual being exceptionally skilled in the erotic arts to achieve a mission goes starts with Gilgamesh and goes up to Mata Hari and today.
MiB really needs to relax. You don't like it? Don't use it.
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I was not attempting to create a "hotness" ranking of the actresses from Firefly.Ok, I will.
Kaylee = River > YoSaffBridge > Zoe > Inara
That I'm ranking the uber-hot Morena Baccarin last on this list tells you how crazy gorgeous the actresses on that show were. Although I am among the few who seems to prefer her short hair on V...Anna might have moved up a couple of slots on the listing.
There's a movie (I don't have the name here at work) where she has short hair, and a least one scene a distinct lack of fabric.
Just saying...
Kaylee's just too damn cute to be hot. Yes, even with the scene with the strawberry.
And YoSaffBridge is completely off the charts in hotness, sorry. She's hot enough that I'm surprised Mal didn't burst into flame.
Er... I'll be in my bunk.
Well the alternative is an all monk campaign that doesn't worry about pants at all.
I'm gonna waltz out with my balls out?
Sacred prostitute is somewhat more popular than the profane prostitute.but the profane prostitute is problably more fun:)
I consider profanities a turn-off, personally.
Tackling issues of sexuality is great, but it shouldn't be in the Core line.
Violence is.
Yes, the game has violence. I can tone that down for children though.
Tone down the sexuality, too.
You guys are funny. Isn't this a reprinted trait?
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