I will have to agree with James here. The core rules were written to improve game play. I can read and calculate a scroll cost. Adding additional rules to "simplify" this just makes it more complex.
Are there any plans to include material from the Factions Guide in future PFS?
There have been discussions, but no plans. For now it won't see the legal for play list.
Hey Josh!
What about buying property?
That's not something I ever plan to implement.
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And, I suppose, that if somebody is running a character with a feat from the Cheliax book, and neglects to bring the Cheliax book to a convention, they can still play the character, just not using the feat, yes?
(But, even if someone else at the table brings a copy of the Cheliax book, they can no more use it as proof of the feat, than they could borrow someone else's shirt for the free re-roll, yes?)
Hi all -
I know I'm coming into this part of the FAQ about 3-4 weeks late. I'm now reviewing much, from learning at Gamex 2010 this past weekend.I own all the books. Being a subscriber I also have the PDF's. Being that I run the Vegas Game Day Pathfinder slots, I bring all my books. Well brought. After having one ruined, I felt it was time to do something else. So I had my college print and bind them. I've take then Absalom book and the 5 Inner Sea books and had them printed and bound into a single book. I did this with the races book just before Gamex. It has Dwarves, Elves and Gnomes. I re-arranged the Gods and Magic to have all the extra little god tidbits into what I've redone as an Expanded Gods and Magic. It has the gods info added in from the AP's. While they may not be legal for play in PFS - they do provided excellent information for someone interested in playing. Just updated it to include Erastil. Each one has a nifty new cover using PDF editing programs.
Now, at the printer I noticed that on all but the Gnomes my information was removed at the top. I bring these collections (Seeker of Secrets and Adventure's Armory are also in a collection) with me so that my books do not get grubby little convention hands (or sticky fingers). People aren't going to take my very personalized books.
So I'm unsure of how this would be resolved (for my PC's). Is it evident that they're mine with the work that I've done on them, including extra work on my printing and covers - or if a GM decided I would be required to show them my subscription/download list?
Although with the new digital version posting, I'll make sure I have the PDF's on my Android Phone.
Although, now I also see that I'm not really supposed to let those at my VGD use my PFRPG or my books. But if I did that, I wouldn't be pushing PFS so far as I have (noting 10 months ago - now I'm at at full table). Plus if the requirement was that they had the PFRPG Core Rulebook at least three of the people that purchased the book wouldn't have (they were playing 4e).
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That's not something I ever plan to implement.Hey Josh!
What about buying property?
There is basically nothing wrong in a character owning a house or ship, but it's effects on the game will be negligible if not non-existent. In the end it detracts from the characters effectiveness, in proportion how it affects his/her total gear value.
With that said I have noticed that many scenarios have incredibly circumstantial rewards, such as if you meet someone from Jalmaray in a metropolis or gnolls of Western Katapesh.
Another such reward could be the aquisition of real estate, which might have equally circumstantial effects on a scenario.
Joshua, would it be appropiate to give this sort of property as a special scenario award, and would it likewise be so to have a scenario now and then that offers a very small and circumstantial advantage to characters possessing such a property?
E.g. you save the old widow from some thugs and as a reward she gives her old (in game terms worthless) house to the characters, before she moves out of the Augustana to live with her family on a farm.
Later in another scenario taking place in Augustana any player owning a house in the city will get a +2 circumstance bonus to diplomacy checks involving gather information or attempting to influence the mayor of the city.
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And, I suppose, that if somebody is running a character with a feat from the Cheliax book, and neglects to bring the Cheliax book to a convention, they can still play the character, just not using the feat, yes?
(But, even if someone else at the table brings a copy of the Cheliax book, they can no more use it as proof of the feat, than they could borrow someone else's shirt for the free re-roll, yes?)
Lots n' lots ....
or if a GM decided I would be required to show them my subscription/download list?
Although with the...
I really do not know where you and Chris get that from.
The wording in the PFS guide about material is only meant to point out to players that it is their own responsibility to bring evidence of the rules they are playing by to the table, since they cannot expect the GM to have/bring every book in the collection.
As long as any player brings a book, a print, a pdf or even a photocopied page from the needed rulebook, so that the GM can verify the rule and have the same knowledge concerning it as the players do, it is OK.
No player is required to own any single PF book (including the PRPG) in order to play OP. That very concept is fundamental in expanding the PFS community. You cannot force people to buy anything, but if you give them a good gaming experince they might on their own decide to invest money in the game.
I don't intend to sound harsh, but I think it is very important that you and all other GMs understand that you cannot exclude players, PCs or feats/abilities on account of the player not bringing/owning the relevant book. As long as the material is at hand in some manner it is OK for the player to use it.
Remember the motto/rule:
Play, play, play!
I really do not know where you and Chris get that from.The wording in the PFS guide about material is only meant to point out to players that it is their own responsibility to bring evidence of the rules they are playing by to the table, since they cannot expect the GM to have/bring every book in the collection.
Josh has stated in this thread though that the material requirement is to provide proof of ownership.
A player needs either the physical product or a print-out from the PDF they downloaded from paizo.com with their name and email address on the PDF as a watermark in order for any of the items in Chapter 13 to be legal for play for them.
I'll think on a way to re-word this that captures the "I want to make sure you bought this" essence as well as proving ownership.
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Hi all -
I own all the books. Being a subscriber I also have the PDF's... So I had my college print and bind them. ... Now, at the printer I noticed that on all but the Gnomes my information was removed at the top... Is it evident that they're mine with the work that I've done on them, including extra work on my printing and covers - or if a GM decided I would be required to show them my subscription/download list?
The way I read the rules, you'd need to show proof of purchase in order to use the material in the books. But without that, you'd be welcome to play the character at my table, just without any of the supplemental equipment / feats / spells garnered from those books.
The wording in the PFS guide about material is only meant to point out to players that it is their own responsibility to bring evidence of the rules they are playing by to the table, since they cannot expect the GM to have/bring every book in the collection.
As long as any player brings a book, a print, a pdf or even a photocopied page from the needed rulebook, so that the GM can verify the rule and have the same knowledge concerning it as the players do, it is OK.
It used to be, but Josh issued a rules change on that.
No player is required to own any single PF book (including the PRPG) in order to play OP. That very concept is fundamental in expanding the PFS community. You cannot force people to buy anything, but if you give them a good gaming experince they might on their own decide to invest money in the game.
Nobody has to buy the main rules book; you're right. But they do indeed need to buy anything else they want to use. I know that you don't mean to suggest that a person can't have "a good gaming experience" without buying a ton of supplemental books, but that's how you're coming across.
I don't intend to sound harsh, but I think it is very important that you and all other GMs understand that you cannot exclude players, PCs or feats/abilities on account of the player not bringing/owning the relevant book. As long as the material is at hand in some manner it is OK for the player to use it.
Remember the motto/rule:
Play, play, play!
You do sound harsh. How am I excluding players?? Anybody can play an iconic. Anybody can borrow a friend's copy of the PFRPG book and design a character. Play, play, play. But once August arrives, if you want to run your Witch/Davirat with a meteor hammer and a wayfinder, that's a privilege that will cost you $85.
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The way I read the rules, you'd need to show proof of purchase in order to use the material in the books. But without that, you'd be welcome to play the character at my table, just without any of the supplemental equipment / feats / spells garnered from those books.
So you think that they would need to bring a receipt along with say a physical book?
No, of course not. As you say, there's no such requirement. There is a requirement to show proof that any copies or pdfs have your name and email on them.
Borrow a physical book from a buddy, if you like. But if you show up with a character that includes a trait for which you have neither the physical book or a watermarked copy, you can't use the trait.
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The way I read the rules, you'd need to show proof of purchase in order to use the material in the books. But without that, you'd be welcome to play the character at my table, just without any of the supplemental equipment / feats / spells garnered from those books.
I have to agree with Chris here. I'm not really comfortable with photocopies. But I am willing to accept that your using a spouse's/parent's PDF of a book.
I want to use Play, play, play as much as the next guy, but I also want to be fair to Paizo. They are due what the IP is worth and they ask a fair price.
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So you think that they would need to bring a receipt along with say a physical book?
I think that the idea behind the rule was to make sure that the materials in question were official rather than made up by someone.
The document only states as much to that effect. Did Josh wish to augment this or are we just picking apart at his words to that effect?
How does "I'll think on a way to re-word this that captures the "I want to make sure you bought this" essence as well as proving ownership." have any ambiguity regarding whether or not Josh wants us to have evidence that we've purchased the product? Regardless of enforceability, the stated purpose of the rule is to ensure that the player has purchased the feat in question. Josh has said that he believes a watermarked copy of the rule is sufficient, so that's the rule.
We as players may love PFS and want to believe it's "all about the game" but let's be honest here, PFS exists to drive sales of books.
No player is required to own any single PF book (including the PRPG) in order to play OP. That very concept is fundamental in expanding the PFS community. You cannot force people to buy anything, but if you give them a good gaming experience they might on their own decide to invest money in the game.
But it does say you do right on page 3 of the current PFS Guide:
Pathfinder Society Organized Play assumes that every
player has a copy of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game
Core Rulebook, a copy of Pathfinder Chronicles: Seekers of
Secrets—A Guide to the Pathfinder Society, and that every
Game Master has the above plus a copy of the Pathfinder
Roleplaying Game Bestiary.
My problem has never been with being required to own the primary books that will get used all the time when playing, I just don't like the ruling that if you want to use a page from one of the optional books that you have to own your own copy, either print or pdf, to use it legally. I feel having a photocopy of the page from the book or a printout from a friend's pdf should be legal also, and no matter how fantastic some feat or trait or prestige class sounds, I am not going to blow $10-20 on a book if that is all I want from it. And not being able to legally use that item for my character without having to waste money makes me want to play less.
But it does say you do right on page 3 of the current PFS Guide:Pathfinder Society Organized Play assumes that every
player has a copy of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game
Core Rulebook, a copy of Pathfinder Chronicles: Seekers of
Secrets—A Guide to the Pathfinder Society, and that every
Game Master has the above plus a copy of the Pathfinder
Roleplaying Game Bestiary.
What the what?! We're all assumed to have a copy of Seekers of Secrets?
So does that mean that I can use something from Seekers of Secrets even if I don't own it because it's not an "additional resource" and I can safely assume the GM owns it?
There are several large misconceptions flying about here.
The text in Chapter 13 reads (and has for almost two years):
In order to use these additional resources for your
character, you must bring a physical copy of the book with
you or the printed-out appropriate pages detailing cost (if
any) and explanation for each feat, item, spell, prestige
class, and so on that you use from the materials listed
below. (If you’re bringing a print-out of the pages, they
must be from the actual Paizo PDF and not in a blank
word processing document). Since the core assumption
for Pathfinder Society Organized Play is the Pathfinder
RPG Core Rulebook, Pathfinder Chronicles: Seekers of Secrets,
and the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary, we cannot assume that
every Game Master will have the products listed below.
As such, it’s up to the players to bring these items in order
to familiarize their Game Masters with the rules.
So, yes, in order to utilize the additional legal-for-play sources from Chapter 13 of the Guide, we want you to either have a physical copy of the book (to show the GM), or a copy of the appropriate Paizo PDF pages (with a watermark on it; again to show the GM). We don't want to see rules in a word document, for example. This is required so that the GM knows the source is official and can understand the rules if a player is using a source from Chapter 13 the GM doesn't own.
The intent was proof of ownership, but the actual words do not reflect the intent. I said I would think on possibly rephrasing it--I did not actually rephrase. Right now I do not require "proof of ownership" but I do require the RAW above to be followed. And, after reading the feedback here, I doubt I will ever change the RAW above.
Now, on to the Core Assumption:
The Core Assumption
Pathfinder Society Organized Play assumes that every
player has a copy of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game
Core Rulebook, a copy of Pathfinder Chronicles: Seekers of
Secrets—A Guide to the Pathfinder Society, and that every
Game Master has the above plus a copy of the Pathfinder
Roleplaying Game Bestiary. Unless noted in later chapters,
everything contained in the Core Rulebook and Seekers of
Secrets is legal for play in Pathfinder Society Organized
Play. This includes base classes, feats, spells, equipment,
and even prestige classes. While new Pathfinder RPG
books in the future may be added to this core assumption,
there are many other Pathfinder-brand products that
are not part of the core, but have aspects that are legal
for play. Please see Chapter 13 for details on additional
resources for Pathfinder Society Organized Play. This
chapter will be frequently updated as new Pathfinder
products are released.
The Core Assumption rules are in Chapter 1 under the Basics of Pathfinder Society Organized Play. The CA is a design decision. I assume the GMs and players have the appropriate books above when designing a scenario and do not, therefor, reprint any of the material from those books. So when I give a fighter a greatsword, I'm not going to use text to explain both what a fighter is and what a greatsword is. Same goes for the Bestiary--if a scenario uses a goblin, I'm not going to reprint the entire goblin statblock, I'm just going to cite the Bestiary page because the Bestiary is part of the core assumption.
Players can show up at your table with not a single book to their name. They can sit down, make a character out of the Core Rulebook and Seekers of Secrets using someone else's book (or use a Core Rulebook-generated official pregen) and happily play. They can then show up to a hundred sessions with dozens of different characters all created right from the Core Assumption and never have to actually buy a book. That changes if the player wants to utilize something from Chapter 13--in that case, they need to bring a copy of the book or a printout of an actual watermarked Paizo PDF to show the GM how that feat/spell/item works because the GM doesn't have any of the additional resources in Chapter 13 on his or her Core Assumption for GMing.
Holy Abadar, I hope this clears some things up. :-)
Makes sense to me; I just never noticed that Seeker of Secrets snuck into the "core" books for PFS. :-)
Makes sense to me; I just never noticed that Seeker of Secrets snuck into the "core" books for PFS. :-)
To be fair, there was a email to everyone who downloaded the Guide previous when that was added (2.1 I think) that noted Seekers was added.
So nothing was snuck in there, to the best of my knowledge. :-)
Hmm, well, after reading the bullet points of that email (the 2.0 to 2.1 email) I don't see that we noted Seekers was added to the core assumption.
/sigh
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So, yes, in order to utilize the additional legal-for-play sources from Chapter 13 of the Guide, we want you to either have a physical copy of the book (to show the GM), or a copy of the appropriate Paizo PDF pages (with a watermark on it; again to show the GM). We don't want to see rules in a word document, for example. This is required so that the GM knows the source is official and can understand the rules if a player is using a source from Chapter 13 the GM doesn't own.The intent was proof of ownership, but the actual words do not reflect the intent. I said I would think on possibly rephrasing it--I did not actually rephrase. Right now I do not require "proof of ownership" but I do require the RAW above to be followed. And, after reading the feedback here, I doubt I will ever change the RAW above.
That's good to know, Josh.
So, just to be clear, if I'm GMing, and I do have a copy of, say, the traits document, and one of my players shows up and doesn't, I can still let her use the traits, even though she doesn't have a copy of the .pdf, because I can access my own copy. Am I getting that right?
So, as I'm understanding you, the rule boils down to: "If your character is using anything from any source outside the Core set: {PF RPG, Seekers of Secrets, PFS OP document}, and you don't bring that source (original published copy of watermarked pdf) to your table, then you're taking the risk that you may not be able to use those features of your character. Your GM needs to have access to that material, and the buck stops with you to provide it."
*lots of stuff*
Holy Abadar, I hope this clears some things up. :-)
Yes, I think this post, better than others in previous weeks, cleared things up more for me. :)
To see if I have it all correct now: having a physical copy of the book is easy to deal with, you could have bought it yourself or borrowed it from a friend or family member. The pdf of the book, or printout from the pdf, must be watermarked with an email address, but it does not have to be your email, but instead could be a legit pdf belonging to a friend or family member. And from what I understood from previous posts of yours, two people showing up to play at the same table and sharing books between them is allowed, but playing at two separate tables with only one copy of one of the optional books to share is not, because it would be disruptive of them to be passing books back and forth between tables.
Now, making a photocopy of a page from a physical book is still not allowed as proof that what you are using for your character is legal, correct? And if someone shows up to play and waves a flash drive, saying all his pdf's are on there is not legal either, correct? They would have to actually have the files on an iPad or laptop or something to show to the GM if necessary?
Hmm, well, after reading the bullet points of that email (the 2.0 to 2.1 email) I don't see that we noted Seekers was added to the core assumption.
/sigh
That's O.K., I probably just skimmed it anyways. I'm always missing stuff. :-)
So, as I'm understanding you, the rule boils down to: "If your character is using anything from any source outside the Core set: {PF RPG, Seekers of Secrets, PFS OP document}, and you don't bring that source (original published copy of watermarked pdf) to your table, then you're taking the risk that you may not be able to use those features of your character. Your GM needs to have access to that material, and the buck stops with you to provide it."
Yes, although I should just add the traits document to the core assumption for Society play as it's a free download and doesn't need to be watermarked.
...but playing at two separate tables with only one copy of one of the optional books to share is not, because it would be disruptive of them to be passing books back and forth between tables.
I leave that to the GMs to decide.
Now, making a photocopy of a page from a physical book is still not allowed as proof that what you are using for your character is legal, correct?
Correct. Physical books and watermarked PDFs are the only official source for this material.
And if someone shows up to play and waves a flash drive, saying all his pdf's are on there is not legal either, correct? They would have to actually have the files on an iPad or laptop or something to show to the GM if necessary?
If the GM can't see them, then they're not an official source.
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You do sound harsh. How am I excluding players?? Anybody can play an iconic. Anybody can borrow a friend's copy of the PFRPG book and design a character. Play, play, play. But once August arrives, if you want to run your Witch/Davirat with a meteor hammer and a wayfinder, that's a privilege that will cost you $85.
I don't intend to sound harsh, but I think it is very important that you and all other GMs understand that you cannot exclude players, PCs or feats/abilities on account of the player not bringing/owning the relevant book. As long as the material is at hand in some manner it is OK for the player to use it.Remember the motto/rule:
Play, play, play!
I think Joshua already covered this.
But to answer your question:
I am horrified at the thought of any GM refusing a player to play his or her character on account of not owning a book used in building that character. That is my point.
Obviously, if the GM or any other players at the table do not have the necesary reference material the character cannot be played if you do not bring the material yourself. But sharing and borrowing books is a perfectly acceptable practice.
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By the PRPG core rules a masterwork weapon or armor can be enchanted. However, as far as I recall there is no rule prohibiting normal items from being udgraded to masterwork. I have always assumed they could not be, but is that even true? Since masterwork components of any item are crafted separately (in game terms) maybe I have been mistaken the whole time.
My question: Can a normal weapon, shield, armor or tool be upgraded to a masterwork item of the same type, in PFS OP, by paying the diference in cost?
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My question: Can a normal weapon, shield, armor or tool be upgraded to a masterwork item of the same type, in PFS OP, by paying the diference in cost?
Nope: see the section on masterwork items.
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You do sound harsh. How am I excluding players?? Anybody can play an iconic. Anybody can borrow a friend's copy of the PFRPG book and design a character. Play, play, play. But once August arrives, if you want to run your Witch/Davirat with a meteor hammer and a wayfinder, that's a privilege that will cost you $85.
Speaking of wayfinders and cost, are they printed anywhere but in a book costing $50 ($35 PDF) with so very few other items that are PFSOP-compatible?
Seems like a steep price to pay for access to little more than a fancy compass...
After all, for under $20, you can buy a book that is almost totally PFSOP compatible (Adventurer's Armory) with only 2-3 items excluded, whereas a $50 book has only the wayfinder, three pages of equipment (minus the ubiquitous armored kilt), 29 feats, and 2 PrCs available from a 500 page document...
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You mean "Seekers of Secrets", page 50:
WAYFINDER (STANDARD)
Aura faint evocation; CL 5th
Slot none; Price 500 gp; Weight 1 lb.
DESCRIPTION
A small magical device patterned off ancient relics of the Azlanti, a wayfinder is typically made from silver and bears gold accents. With a command word, you can use a wayfinder to shine (as the light spell). The wayfinder also acts as a nonmagical (magnetic) compass, granting you a +2 circumstance bonus on Survival checks to avoid becoming lost. All wayfinders include a small indentation designed to hold a single ioun stone. An ioun stone slotted in this manner grants you its normal benefits (as if it were orbiting your head), but frequently reveals entirely new powers due to the magic of the wayfinder itself (see page 51).
CONSTRUCTION
Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, light; Cost 250 gp
Since "Seekers of Secrets" is one of the Core Books for PFS, you don't even have to bring it to the game; the GM is responsible for owning a copy.
Speaking of wayfinders and cost, are they printed anywhere but in a book costing $50 ($35 PDF) with so very few other items that are PFSOP-compatible?
Seekers of Secrets is only $20 for a physical copy and $14 for the pdf.
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Seekers of Secrets is only $20 for a physical copy and $14 for the pdf.
Speaking of wayfinders and cost, are they printed anywhere but in a book costing $50 ($35 PDF) with so very few other items that are PFSOP-compatible?
Thank you both. The only references I had seen, other than that it was "open content," was that it was from the Pathfinder Campaign Guide, which is waaaay out of my price bracket at this time.
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I understand that there was intent to change the 1st level summon monster from riding dog to dog with the next errata. Somehow that didn't happen and the errata, prd, and updated pdf of the Core book all show Riding Dog as the correct summons at first level.
Will we continue running tables by intended errata even if it was not actually acted on? In this case we just understand that this spell may run differently depending on how closely the gm of your table follows the forums. Or does the new errata stand as the default?
For now, the new errata stands as the default.
Josh, you've stated your position and that you're sticking with it. I appreciate that.
However, I'd like to add my complaint to some of the discussion above. Organized play rules are least complicated when they adhere, whenever possible, to the existing rules set. Sometimes it's necessary to cut some rules (like Leadership and awaken), and I understand that. But "fixing" unpopular rules in the existing rules set--that is, making changes rather than simple deletions--hinders organized play.
Changes like this raise the barrier of entry to the organized play game.
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As someone who just made my first PFS character today, I couldn't agree more with this very well written post. I currently GM two weekly PF games in my area and have spent a lot of energy learning the rules of the game. Frankly, I lose all my interest to play a character in the PFS if the rules are not consistent with the core set. When I understand and can anticipate needed changes for organized play I welcome them, but the thought of reading and learning an excess of posts to be able to play PF sounds, well to be polite, unappealing. Changing the Core rules should be a last resort when the rule is so broke, it ruins the game. I have a large ammount of house rules in my campaigns due to my views and opinions that conflict with the core rules. I don't, however, expect other people to know or agree with them. I actually expect that for every GM and player that agrees with my house rules their are probably two or more that disagree with them. My only point being, applying house rules to organized play is never a good idea. The FAQ (or any living document) will grow as large as the core rule book and unless the FAQ is detailed enough to replace the core books, it's really not fair to expect players to read and understand both.
Granted this is all just my opinion and I am well aware that I'm most likely the least common denominator on this site
Granted this is a fictional and radical example, but nobody wants to find out that their PFS wizard can't cast Fireball until he is 9th level because someone felt fireball was too powerfull to be a 3rd level spell and since it's 'organized play' now the spell is 5th level.
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The very idea and structure of PFS is based around "house" rules from character creation to availability of choices in every category where you can possibly make a choice for your character options (feats, spells, equipment and so on) in order to make it a balanced organized play system. Attempting to streamline spell pricing is hardly a radical step, but it does need to be in the Guide to Organized Play so everyone knows. I assume it will be in the next update.
If the GM can't see them, then they're not an official source.
And if someone shows up to play and waves a flash drive, saying all his pdf's are on there is not legal either, correct? They would have to actually have the files on an iPad or laptop or something to show to the GM if necessary?
Could you please make it clear that watermarked pdf's displayed electronically, such as on a Laptop or iPad are legal in a future version of the Organized Play Rules?
Could you please make it clear that watermarked pdf's displayed electronically, such as on a Laptop or iPad are legal in a future version of the Organized Play Rules?
Yep. In fact, it's already on my to-do list to add to v2.3.
It actually is in the guide already(p21):
I feel like I should just record this response and then hit play whenever necessary. ;-)
*clears throat*
While that rule is in v2.2 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, folks such as James Maissen and others have pointed out some ways in which it could be perceived as a confusing ruling. As such, in v2.3 of the Guide, that section will be further clarified to make the rule easier to understand.
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I also strongly disagree that our modifications to the rules to keep our OP balanced is a house rule, but that's an argument I'd rather not have in the 2.2 FAQ.
I also strongly disagree that our modifications to the rules to keep our OP balanced is a house rule, but that's an argument I'd rather not have in the 2.2 FAQ.
Technically, Josh, anything not done exactly by the core rules would be a house rule, even when your house contains the entire world. ;-)
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Technically, Josh, anything not done exactly by the core rules would be a house rule, even when your house contains the entire world. ;-)
I also strongly disagree that our modifications to the rules to keep our OP balanced is a house rule, but that's an argument I'd rather not have in the 2.2 FAQ.
Since it's a rule that extend beyond to more than one's actual home game, and by extention, more than one DM, I'd have to agree with Josh.
Since it's a rule that extend beyond to more than one's actual home game, and by extension, more than one DM, I'd have to agree with Josh.Technically, Josh, anything not done exactly by the core rules would be a house rule, even when your house contains the entire world. ;-)
I also strongly disagree that our modifications to the rules to keep our OP balanced is a house rule, but that's an argument I'd rather not have in the 2.2 FAQ.
Yet Josh has called himself the head GM for the PFS, so my "obvious because of the wink" tease still stands. :) ;-) :)
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My intent obviously wasn't clear there. When I put "house" in quotes it is because I mean that they are house rules in as much as PFS is the house we have agreed to play in by joining in organized play. All organized play systems as far as I am aware operate under some equivalent of the Guide to Organized play which among other things makes known what rules have been changed from the core game books (crafting, availability of feats etc). It is part of the expectation for organized play.
Ok, my mistake in saying the rule for consolidating scroll/potion/wand pricing wasn't in the Guide yet. I thought it was but when I looked to direct someone to it I flipped to- Chapter 10: Purchasing Magic Items and Equipment, rather than Chapter 6: Additional Rules and Clarifications. I was surprised that I couldn't find it, but then I was in the wrong section.
Sorry to continue the sidetrek, but I wanted to clarify.
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Yet Josh has called himself the head GM for the PFS, so my "obvious because of the wink" tease still stands. :) ;-) :)Since it's a rule that extend beyond to more than one's actual home game, and by extension, more than one DM, I'd have to agree with Josh.Technically, Josh, anything not done exactly by the core rules would be a house rule, even when your house contains the entire world. ;-)
I also strongly disagree that our modifications to the rules to keep our OP balanced is a house rule, but that's an argument I'd rather not have in the 2.2 FAQ.
Doh' missed the wink...
Question about legal sources for the campaign - Why is the Pathfinder Chronicles Gazeteer excluded?
Or, more specific to my case, why was I lied to by a Paizo representative when I asked whether it would be (back in '08)? ;)