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I kind of wish they had released it before thanksgiving though. I have a game on Sunday and I am going to be switching out my char for a summoner( it matches his concept more ).


Of all the six, the Summoner is the class I'm really excited with. I really hope it would be cool and fun.

BTW, the Oracle has been a GREAT surprise... very fancy ! (not counting the art of the iconic Oracle... rawr!) - I have great expectations for all the other classes (the Cavalier, however, left me a bit cold...)

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The Wraith wrote:

Of all the six, the Summoner is the class I'm really excited with. I really hope it would be cool and fun.

BTW, the Oracle has been a GREAT surprise... very fancy ! (not counting the art of the iconic Oracle... rawr!) - I have great expectations for all the other classes (the Cavalier, however, left me a bit cold...)

Well, it seems like you are predisposed toward caster classes :) The cavalier seemed pretty decent to me. And the fact that they are supposed to be niche classes means the slight dependence on a mount didn't bother me as much.


Oracle was first on my "must see" list, but Witch runs a close second.

can't wait ;)

Shadow Lodge

So when exactly will I get to play a Summoner*?

*Pokemon Trainer

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

For the record DB, the verbal component is NOT 'I choose you!' :P

Officially.


TriOmegaZero wrote:

For the record DB, the verbal component is NOT 'I choose you!' :P

Officially.

It will be.


Rio, Pokemon Trainer wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:

For the record DB, the verbal component is NOT 'I choose you!' :P

Officially.

It will be.

I am kinda stuck between ' Into the light, I command thee.' and 'It's alive!!!' but hey, thats just me.

Shadow Lodge

Someone make a thread...

"I call forth the Destroyer of Worlds- Snowball, the fluffy white bunny of doom!"


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Dragonborn3 wrote:

Someone make a thread...

"I call forth the Destroyer of Worlds- Snowball, the fluffy white bunny of doom!"

I have my holy handgrenade ready for your snowball!

Shadow Lodge

Kolokotroni wrote:
Dragonborn3 wrote:

Someone make a thread...

"I call forth the Destroyer of Worlds- Snowball, the fluffy white bunny of doom!"

I have my holy handgrenade ready for your snowball!

You have 1 grenade. I have multiple bunnies.


Dragonborn3 wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:
Dragonborn3 wrote:

Someone make a thread...

"I call forth the Destroyer of Worlds- Snowball, the fluffy white bunny of doom!"

I have my holy handgrenade ready for your snowball!
You have 1 grenade. I have multiple bunnies.

And I have Buneary!

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber
Dragonborn3 wrote:
You have 1 grenade. I have multiple bunnies.

By the end of the battle you'll have many multiple bunnies then. :P


Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Dragonborn3 wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:
Dragonborn3 wrote:

Someone make a thread...

"I call forth the Destroyer of Worlds- Snowball, the fluffy white bunny of doom!"

I have my holy handgrenade ready for your snowball!
You have 1 grenade. I have multiple bunnies.

You are assuming only the bunny gets hit with the grenade

Dark Archive

Dragonborn3 wrote:

So when exactly will I get to play a Summoner*?

*Pokemon Trainer

I believe it is scheduled for release on Monday. And as far as I can remember Summoner is a bad name as the class covers any sort of "companion". I.e. Summoned outsider, Frankenstein type monster made from the corpses of other monsters, mechanical constructs, and anything else you can think of as an origin for your pet.

Paizo Employee Director of Game Design

Draeke Raefel wrote:
And as far as I can remember Summoner is a bad name as the class covers any sort of "companion". I.e. Summoned outsider, Frankenstein type monster made from the corpses of other monsters, mechanical constructs, and anything else you can think of as an origin for your pet.

Actually, as the class came together.. the name Summoner made more and more sense. You will see on Monday.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Shadow Lodge

Jason Bulmahn wrote:
Draeke Raefel wrote:
And as far as I can remember Summoner is a bad name as the class covers any sort of "companion". I.e. Summoned outsider, Frankenstein type monster made from the corpses of other monsters, mechanical constructs, and anything else you can think of as an origin for your pet.

Actually, as the class came together.. the name Summoner made more and more sense. You will see on Monday.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Or you could show us now...

Please?

Dark Archive

Jason Bulmahn wrote:
Draeke Raefel wrote:
And as far as I can remember Summoner is a bad name as the class covers any sort of "companion". I.e. Summoned outsider, Frankenstein type monster made from the corpses of other monsters, mechanical constructs, and anything else you can think of as an origin for your pet.

Actually, as the class came together.. the name Summoner made more and more sense. You will see on Monday.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Hmm... I'll have to wait... I liked the idea of being able customize the concept to whatever I deemed appropriate for my character. I.e. if he was the mad scientist type creating Frankenstein or whatever, rather than just summoning something up from the ether or another plane of existence.


I'm starting a new campaign monday night, so hopefully they're up earlier in the day.

Any chance you could say if the summoner just summons creatures ala the bestiary, or if there are unique creatures that they summon? Would eliminate any debate my players have on if they want to play it.

Paizo Employee Director of Game Design

The classes will be up Monday morning. While I do not want to spoil anything yet, I do want to say that making the summoner deal outsiders as a focus opened up a lot of options for us. I am pretty sure you could spin it toward a doc Frankenstein theme if you wanted... but you see what I mean on Monday.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing


I can't wait that long


Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The classes will be up Monday morning. While I do not want to spoil anything yet, I do want to say that making the summoner deal outsiders as a focus opened up a lot of options for us. I am pretty sure you could spin it toward a doc Frankenstein theme if you wanted... but you see what I mean on Monday.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

what does everyone or anyone read this as? I hope it does not mean you have to summon outsiders. I don't like Devils, and junk...I want a big earth golemn or something like that as my summoned friend!

Paizo Employee Creative Director

gnomewizard wrote:
what does everyone or anyone read this as? I hope it does not mean you have to summon outsiders. I don't like Devils, and junk...I want a big earth golemn or something like that as my summoned friend!

Big earth golem type things can be outsiders, of course...

The class is VERY customizable. I'm pretty sure folks will be VERY pleased with what you'll be able to do with it. It's pretty nifty!

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Antici...

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

...pates

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James Jacobs wrote:
gnomewizard wrote:
what does everyone or anyone read this as? I hope it does not mean you have to summon outsiders. I don't like Devils, and junk...I want a big earth golemn or something like that as my summoned friend!

Big earth golem type things can be outsiders, of course...

The class is VERY customizable. I'm pretty sure folks will be VERY pleased with what you'll be able to do with it. It's pretty nifty!

Now you guys are just being mean with all the teasing... I approve.

Contributor

Let's just say that I have a bunch of weird monster minis that up until now I would look at and say, "when am I ever going to use this miniature in a game?"

Now I say, "oh, they're summoner pets."

Paizo Employee Franchise Manager

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

Let's just say that I have a bunch of weird monster minis that up until now I would look at and say, "when am I ever going to use this miniature in a game?"

Now I say, "oh, they're summoner pets."

You mean eidolons?

Contributor

"Pet" is a generic term, but yes. (Summoners and druids are "pet classes," frex.)

Dark Archive

Sean K Reynolds wrote:
"Pet" is a generic term, but yes. (Summoners and druids are "pet classes," frex.)

You're my hero for using 'frex.'

Dark Archive

I'm looking forward to the Witch most as I never found a version in 3.x that I liked though Green Ronin's was close.


dm4hire wrote:
I'm looking forward to the Witch most as I never found a version in 3.x that I liked though Green Ronin's was close.

I'm with you. I am looking forward to the Witch. Though the Inquisitor sounds fascinating


You notice they are not dropping any Witch hints.....life is so cruel.


nighttree wrote:
You notice they are not dropping any Witch hints.....life is so cruel.

Yeah really... I'm really looking forward to finding that "just right" class to bring my old PC-Rhiannon Le'Fey and NPC-Annalee to life again...

*paces in controlled bursts of irritation and anticipation*

Paizo Employee Creative Director

nighttree wrote:
You notice they are not dropping any Witch hints.....life is so cruel.

Well... here's one. Witches have a "cackle" ability. (Sits back and waits to see how that tidbit can be misinterpreted.)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

Does it allow a save?


James Jacobs wrote:
nighttree wrote:
You notice they are not dropping any Witch hints.....life is so cruel.
Well... here's one. Witches have a "cackle" ability. (Sits back and waits to see how that tidbit can be misinterpreted.)

Cackle? Mmm...that is kind of cool. I really want to know what that actually does.


James Jacobs wrote:
nighttree wrote:
You notice they are not dropping any Witch hints.....life is so cruel.
Well... here's one. Witches have a "cackle" ability. (Sits back and waits to see how that tidbit can be misinterpreted.)

That sounds strangely cartoonish, Paizo have yet to let me down, but you are seriously provoking the misinterpret crowd with that!!


James Jacobs wrote:
nighttree wrote:
You notice they are not dropping any Witch hints.....life is so cruel.
Well... here's one. Witches have a "cackle" ability. (Sits back and waits to see how that tidbit can be misinterpreted.)

Endorphins!


nighttree wrote:
You notice they are not dropping any Witch hints.....life is so cruel.

Well while we were chatting the other day James pointedly didn't deny that witches get an extra nipple. That's almost a confirmation.


Just what would be the bonuses be for an extra nipple?

lactation as a swift action? :oP


James Jacobs wrote:
Well... here's one. Witches have a "cackle" ability. (Sits back and waits to see how that tidbit can be misinterpreted.)

Like we fall for that, everybody knows about the witch's cackle leak (for those not informed: there is a list of cackles, similar to schools of magic and a witch decides which cackle to adhere to. Different cackles have different ramifications speccing the witch more towards debuffing gish or more towards multi-familiar master)


LoreKeeper wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Well... here's one. Witches have a "cackle" ability. (Sits back and waits to see how that tidbit can be misinterpreted.)

Like we fall for that, everybody knows about the witch's cackle leak (for those not informed: there is a list of cackles, similar to schools of magic and a witch decides which cackle to adhere to. Different cackles have different ramifications speccing the witch more towards debuffing gish or more towards multi-familiar master)

Those not informed? This stuff has been all over the net for the last month! I'm personally stuck between the "maniacal old hag" and "leering supervillan" cackles. They've each got such great buffs.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I hope one has to be evil to cackle, or at least neutral.

Dark Archive

dm4hire wrote:
I'm looking forward to the Witch most as I never found a version in 3.x that I liked though Green Ronin's was close.

I agree completely with that as well.


Jason Bulmahn wrote:

The classes will be up Monday morning. While I do not want to spoil anything yet, I do want to say that making the summoner deal outsiders as a focus opened up a lot of options for us. I am pretty sure you could spin it toward a doc Frankenstein theme if you wanted... but you see what I mean on Monday.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

(in his best whiny homer impression) Monday? but i want it now! ;-)


Monday? I fail to see that!

(does that only work if I'm an early teenage girl? Where is that Shuriken kid when you need her?)


So summoners get a "make your own monster" kit where they conjure raw... stuff from Beyond (Cerulean Void powered, probably) and assemble their critter piecemeal.

And witches cackle when they burn? Does that mean we'll get an early inquisitor sneak peak?

Let me just say that the more Granny Weatherwax the witch has, the better. Is there a headology specialisation? Borrowing? Fading into the foreground? First sight?

And while it's not a summoning chant, I support the traditional "centre-finger-extended" banishing gesture, and the words of dismissal "run along".

As for summoning, "come here" only works if you're an undead ninja on a personal vendetta, so I'll have to come up with something better. "Into the light I command thee" works, of course. A more modern "I want to make a reservation for a Type VI Extradimensional, please" might work for some people, and "heere kitty kitty kitty" can work if you're calling a hellcat.

But please no elemental combos where 5 summoners get some humanoid freak. "Earth! Fire! Water! Air! Heart!"

Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn!


Hm .... Summoner's sounding interesting. And it's a good idea releasing it on Monday -- should perk everyone up when they're feeling low about going back to work! ;)

Grand Lodge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
James Jacobs wrote:
Well... here's one. Witches have a "cackle" ability. (Sits back and waits to see how that tidbit can be misinterpreted.)

Witches get cankles?

Thems one stumpy class.

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