I'm Active Army working in TRADOC - how is this supposed to intimidate me again? (Oh look, a crumb ...)
(snicker)
Actually I always took grief in TRADOC. The 'combat arms' folks thought you were a REMF. 'Course this might have changed, it's been eight years since I saw active duty. My battle bro I used to game with is a SFC now! O.o ...
Howz about TOON? Anyone hear of that one? I owned it. Twice. And Twilight 2000? I loved that one!
*Sigh*
You owned TOON twice?
What happened, did some monkey make you "Fall Down" and took it during your three minutes? :P
Since we are talking old skool games, I was wondering if some of y'all oldsters can solve a mystery for me:
Way back in the early Eighties I was given a Xeroxed book of old D&D (White box?) supplimental rules. I never used the rules, being hip deep in AD&D at the time, but it came with a lot of funny-@zz cartoons in it. I have never been able to pin down where the heck it came from. I scanned a few of the funnier pages, though that someone might recognize them (also-the cartoons are NOT SFW ... be warned!). It is by a chap named Kevin McCauley (at least the drawings are) and there is a copyright date of 1976. Any clues?
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No one who was involved in the playtest can discuss that. WotC has made it clear that playtesters are not allowed to talk about their experiences, nor may they discuss the contents of any playtest material they received.
You will have to ask someone from WotC who worked on 4E about that.
You wrote a very solid review of 4.0. In it I think you mentioned your experiences as a playtester. Were you contacted about that post? Does your NDA prevent you from responding to this question?
Finally another person who's even heard of Riddle of Steel. I picked up a copy of it a few years ago but could never get anyone interested in playing. Maybe paizo should see if they can adapt the combat system for Pathfinder. I'm currently working on adapting it for use with Rifts.I've played in the Harn world with three different systems. Harnmaster, Hero, and Riddle of Steel.
Riddle of Steel is pretty obscure, right?
I also have the Morrigan Press Atlantis book and the Tekumel book.
tRoS is a great looking system! Never had a chance to play, though, dammit!
What's this about cookies?
*listens as a quasit whispers something in her ear*
Oh! I'm supposed to leave some for Duncan & Dragons? Ah! Gotcha!
*leaves a pile of snickerdoodles for Duncan & Dragons*
Thanks Lilith. My daughter does not eat sweets much. The only cookie we can get her to eat is SNICKERDOODLES! But wait they are all gone.....casts Word of Guilt on the thieves.
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You wrote a very solid review of 4.0. In it I think you mentioned your experiences as a playtester. Were you contacted about that post? Does your NDA prevent you from responding to this question?
My review contains absolutely no references to any of my playtest experiences. It is solely and exclusively my impression of the rules in the published rulebook after I got a copy of the 4E PHB and read it through. The list of playtester names had been released prior to that, and we were given permission with that release to identify ourselves. It was only later that the restrictions on discussing playtester experiences were announced, and so I made sure to include absolutely nothing related to them in that review. As such, there is nothing for WotC to contact me about in regards to that. Well, unless they want to hire me as an content supervisor to improve their rules presentation structure and language use. :-P
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Well, unless they want to hire me as an content supervisor to improve their rules presentation structure and language use. :-P
You could certainly help them their, from what I've seen! Although, from my impressions of 4th Edition, it does not seem like they care about a RAW-mentality for the game, it almost so open-ended as to be un-editable.
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What concerns me most is the distribution of Pathfinder products to the hobby stores. I don't know the situation in US but in countries where the market is relatively small, the hobby stores are depending on WotC products. In a small market they see the 4e as the grand new attraction. They possible don't want to distract their customers with 2 lines of products.
True. I live in isreal, and that's causing me lot's of problames when I want to play. Thing is, in isreal most of the gameing "community" consist of Ten Years Olders ( mainly becuse if you don't start playing when your'e young, you don't start playing at all, and most of the DM's around here suck. add those two and you can see that most of the players play once, when they are 10), so most of the marchendise is aimed to a younger crowed than what I would like. evantually, that led to the fact that 4E is selling, and 3.P will not.
and about all the accusation throwen towards 4E fans who mock Pathfinder and Paizo. This people are diffrent than you, becuse the gaming expirience they seek is diffrent. ther's nothing wrong about it. Very probably, they do enjoey 4E- why not?
the only wrong thing they did is mocking paizo- ut all of you are doing the same, and by that i mean that you mock WoTC with no real reason and naming all thier followers "Boerd insecure infidels with a lower than room temparture IQ". this is chieldish
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and about all the accusation throwen towards 4E fans who mock Pathfinder and Paizo. This people are diffrent than you, becuse the gaming expirience they seek is diffrent. ther's nothing wrong about it. Very probably, they do enjoey 4E- why not?
the only wrong thing they did is mocking paizo- ut all of you are doing the same, and by that i mean that you mock WoTC with no real reason and naming all thier followers "Boerd insecure infidels with a lower than room temparture IQ". this is chieldish
I don't know about how things are done in Israel, but in the U.S. we don't generally go around making broad generalizations like "all of you are doing the same, and by that i mean that you mock WoTC with no real reason." I for one enjoy 4th edition as well as Pathfinder, for very different reasons. Furthermore, it has been my experience that most people who have been critical of 4th edition provide substantive areas where they think 4th edition has fallen flat. On the other hand most critiques of Pathfinder are along the lines of "it's just a rework of a flawed system and anyone with any vision is moving on to 4th edition." Pathfinder and 4th edition are two very different games aimed at two very different audiences. Despite what a few very vocal and somewhat misguided partisans think, there is room for both to co-exist in the world of RPGs.
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You wrote a very solid review of 4.0. In it I think you mentioned your experiences as a playtester. Were you contacted about that post? Does your NDA prevent you from responding to this question?My review contains absolutely no references to any of my playtest experiences. It is solely and exclusively my impression of the rules in the published rulebook after I got a copy of the 4E PHB and read it through. The list of playtester names had been released prior to that, and we were given permission with that release to identify ourselves. It was only later that the restrictions on discussing playtester experiences were announced, and so I made sure to include absolutely nothing related to them in that review. As such, there is nothing for WotC to contact me about in regards to that. Well, unless they want to hire me as an content supervisor to improve their rules presentation structure and language use. :-P
Thanks Sam. Trying to get a feel about the limitations you folks are under.
Actually I always took grief in TRADOC. The 'combat arms' folks thought you were a REMF. 'Course this might have changed, it's been eight years since I saw active duty. My battle bro I used to game with is a SFC now! O.o ...
I'm Active Army working in TRADOC - how is this supposed to intimidate me again? (Oh look, a crumb ...)
(snicker)
I used to dream about my ABC when I was in my REM state. Now I'm just down with OPP*.
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Thanks Sam. Trying to get a feel about the limitations you folks are under.
Effectively, very little.
They said we cannot talk about the actual playtest experience or the playtest materials. (What we got and what it contained.)The more time that passes, the less the first is relevant, as I can manage to watch or play a session of 4E, such as during the Worldwide D&D Game Day. The second is even less relevant, except of course when a question such as raised here comes up.
Since I can still comment on the blatantly obvious problems in the actual material, there is no real issue.
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Whimp. ;D Former active duty Air Force SP myself.
I'm Active Army working in TRADOC - how is this supposed to intimidate me again? (Oh look, a crumb ...)
(snicker)
Mind you - this is after 16 years as an Infantryman, and I'd still be there now if I weren't "crippled by surgery." Mind you - the comment was more about the "running around in a panic" which seems to be standard mode of operations.
Thanks Lilith. My daughter does not eat sweets much. The only cookie we can get her to eat is SNICKERDOODLES! But wait they are all gone.....casts Word of Guilt on the thieves.
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Ummm ....
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Mind you - this is after 16 years as an Infantryman, and I'd still be there now if I weren't "crippled by surgery." Mind you - the comment was more about the "running around in a panic" which seems to be standard mode of operations.Whimp. ;D Former active duty Air Force SP myself.
I'm Active Army working in TRADOC - how is this supposed to intimidate me again? (Oh look, a crumb ...)
(snicker)
Just remember the Air Force motto, "The Army walks so we don't have to."
Most of the hostility I've seen in the gaming circles I frequent has been anti-WotC, not anti-Paizo. I started playing D&D in 1976. I prefer the direction Paizo is going, personally.
I think many of these "growing hostility" guys are a bit afraid about the future... Paizo product is undoubtly GOOD and those who are stuck on 3.5 will appreciate it.
Not to mention 4ed fanboyZ... They can't simply accept that a 3.5 "spinoff" could shadow their favourite toy :P
The more Paizo will improve its product, the more its rivals will grow angry...it's obvious.
I think many of these "growing hostility" guys are a bit afraid about the future... Paizo product is undoubtly GOOD and those who are stuck on 3.5 will appreciate it.
Not to mention 4ed fanboyZ... They can't simply accept that a 3.5 "spinoff" could shadow their favourite toy :P
The more Paizo will improve its product, the more its rivals will grow angry...it's obvious.
Hey, as one of the fanbois of 4th edition, I resent that :'(. I have a bit of disdain for Paizo because I love their adventures, but they don't support the ruleset I play. And for some reason, I doubt that Pathfinder will shadow Dungeons and Dragons at any point, as it will likely just be a slightly more successful game than the other 3rd party d20 games.
Hey, as one of the fanbois of 4th edition, I resent that :'(. I have a bit of disdain for Paizo because I love their adventures, but they don't support the ruleset I play. And for some reason, I doubt that Pathfinder will shadow Dungeons and Dragons at any point, as it will likely just be a slightly more successful game than the other 3rd party d20 games.I think many of these "growing hostility" guys are a bit afraid about the future... Paizo product is undoubtly GOOD and those who are stuck on 3.5 will appreciate it.
Not to mention 4ed fanboyZ... They can't simply accept that a 3.5 "spinoff" could shadow their favourite toy :P
The more Paizo will improve its product, the more its rivals will grow angry...it's obvious.
*Reviews Anaxxius's reviews*
A bit of disdain for Paizo?
Hey, as one of the fanbois of 4th edition, I resent that :'(. I have a bit of disdain for Paizo because I love their adventures, but they don't support the ruleset I play. And for some reason, I doubt that Pathfinder will shadow Dungeons and Dragons at any point, as it will likely just be a slightly more successful game than the other 3rd party d20 games.I think many of these "growing hostility" guys are a bit afraid about the future... Paizo product is undoubtly GOOD and those who are stuck on 3.5 will appreciate it.
Not to mention 4ed fanboyZ... They can't simply accept that a 3.5 "spinoff" could shadow their favourite toy :P
The more Paizo will improve its product, the more its rivals will grow angry...it's obvious.
*Reviews Anaxxius's reviews*
A bit of disdain for Paizo?
;) Just a LITTLE bit. I'll be good now, don't kill me!
;) Just a LITTLE bit. I'll be good now, don't kill me!Hey, as one of the fanbois of 4th edition, I resent that :'(. I have a bit of disdain for Paizo because I love their adventures, but they don't support the ruleset I play. And for some reason, I doubt that Pathfinder will shadow Dungeons and Dragons at any point, as it will likely just be a slightly more successful game than the other 3rd party d20 games.I think many of these "growing hostility" guys are a bit afraid about the future... Paizo product is undoubtly GOOD and those who are stuck on 3.5 will appreciate it.
Not to mention 4ed fanboyZ... They can't simply accept that a 3.5 "spinoff" could shadow their favourite toy :P
The more Paizo will improve its product, the more its rivals will grow angry...it's obvious.
*Reviews Anaxxius's reviews*
A bit of disdain for Paizo?
<Drops an anvil on Anaxxius>
<Drops an anvil on Anaxxius>
Luckily, while playing 3.5, I whipped up a clone! Although, I did lose a level of troll in the process, I think I can get the XP back.
HAH!
Hey, as one of the fanbois of 4th edition, I resent that :'(. I have a bit of disdain for Paizo because I love their adventures, but they don't support the ruleset I play. And for some reason, I doubt that Pathfinder will shadow Dungeons and Dragons at any point, as it will likely just be a slightly more successful game than the other 3rd party d20 games.
I don't think pathfinder will be able to damage wotc marketing... I only think that many people around me won't pass to 4ed (the main percentage), and they plan to embrace pathfinder. I don't remember anything like this when 3.x was born. I also think that people who dislike 4ed won't change their mind after 10 dozens of splatbook... the differences are just too deep to conciliate them.
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;) Just a LITTLE bit. I'll be good now, don't kill me!Hey, as one of the fanbois of 4th edition, I resent that :'(. I have a bit of disdain for Paizo because I love their adventures, but they don't support the ruleset I play. And for some reason, I doubt that Pathfinder will shadow Dungeons and Dragons at any point, as it will likely just be a slightly more successful game than the other 3rd party d20 games.*Reviews Anaxxius's reviews*
A bit of disdain for Paizo?
Can you honestly blame them, given the nature of the GSL and OGL? All one needs to do is look back on old posts regarding anticipation of whether or not Paizo would switch to see that they were, indeed, at one point considering switching over to 4E. That they did not is eminently understandable, I think, given the circumstances. Thus, it is patently unfair to blame Paizo for a decision made by Wizards of the Coast. :P
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I don't think pathfinder will be able to damage wotc marketing... I only think that many people around me won't pass to 4ed (the main percentage), and they plan to embrace pathfinder. I don't remember anything like this when 3.x was born. I also think that people who dislike 4ed won't change their mind after 10 dozens of splatbook... the differences are just too deep to conciliate them.
Agreed. While it's certainly possible that some people who might otherwise have gone to 4th Edition, eventually, were it not for an alternative, I doubt this group will present a noticeable dent in WotC's balance sheet.
I definitely agree, though, that there have not been any prior parallels to this. For one, there were not enough significant differences between 1e and 2e, or 2e and 3e, for people to focus on. The primary disaffection (as I recall) focused more on complaints that TSR/WotC was trying to squeeze money out of gamers by printing new rules. While I do hear some of that as well (in part due to the short timeframe between rules edition releases), the bulk of the complaints that I hear come from people who are objecting on entirely unrelated grounds, based on major changes to the feel of the game itself, both in terms of mechanics, and in terms of supporting material. There was also a sense that 2nd/3rd edition was "better" once people actually reviewed the material, and had a chance to try it out, which has not been the case here either.
Second, there was no company standing up to say "We're going to continue printing 1st/2nd edition material, and are going to develop those rulesets," thus giving a different option that was not available during previous edition changes. Your option was to just keep your existing books, or to turn to an entirely unrelated (new) game system.
And no - I honestly don't feel any drive to play 4th edition more, or to buy the books, anymore than I feel inclined to go buy up a bunch of the new edition World of Darkness books. I have other things I'd rather do with my time, and other things that interest me - Pathfinder among them.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Hey, as one of the fanbois of 4th edition, I resent that :'(. I have a bit of disdain for Paizo because I love their adventures, but they don't support the ruleset I play. And for some reason, I doubt that Pathfinder will shadow Dungeons and Dragons at any point, as it will likely just be a slightly more successful game than the other 3rd party d20 games.*Reviews Anaxxius's reviews*
A bit of disdain for Paizo?
That's like saying I'm a bit fat
That's like saying I'm a bit fat
Hey, as one of the fanbois of 4th edition, I resent that :'(. I have a bit of disdain for Paizo because I love their adventures, but they don't support the ruleset I play. And for some reason, I doubt that Pathfinder will shadow Dungeons and Dragons at any point, as it will likely just be a slightly more successful game than the other 3rd party d20 games.*Reviews Anaxxius's reviews*
A bit of disdain for Paizo?
<Drops a piano on Matthew Morris>
i thought all of the arduin stuff was written by dave hargrave...Way back in the early Eighties I was given a Xeroxed book of old D&D (White box?) supplimental rulesI suspect that this is/was Arduin.
I'm certain the book is homebrew. It definitely wasn't for sale commercially considering the racy tone of the cartoons and the low production values (although to be fair it was the Seventies). I was just wondering if anyone had seen the artist or his work before. It was well done for a homebrew set of rules, especially considering everything had to be typed manually (not a PC to be seen at that point).