I respectfully disagree. What I´ve read seems mostly to be "Here are your cool powers and this is your role in combat". It looks really more like a tabletop wargame with some social stuff thrown in. Yes, a RPG veteran will probably be able to make the rules work for him, but as far as I see it, they have sacrificed too much diversity in the name of simplifying the rules. The Wizard may have gotten a buff in combat utility, but he lost so very much on his ability to approach problems from a multitude of angles...
3.p so far seems to keep the diversity and just streamline a lot of the needlessly complex stuff which stuck out of 3.5.
Yes, I realize that these just the first books. Still every class will have the same exact number of powers at 30th level makes this a bit *too* streamlined for my taste. I enjoyed that choosing a Wizard in 3.5 meant that you´d have lots and lots of options... now you´ll have a narrowly defined power repertoire, which basically makes the Sorcerer already superfluous.
Oh, and I really don´t like the new artwork of the PHB. Too comic-y, which is not a diss on comics ( I collect several of them ). But I prefer a more realistic artwork style( like the excellent iconics of Paizo. ) for D&D.
Hahaha.
I had a sliver of doubt, I must say: "Kae, are you really that upset, or are you just bitter and afraid of change like those 4e fans told you?"
Now I read all this and, if anything, I was optimistic. I have to go to a gaming store after release and take a look at the books, I have to see for myself how bad they are.
But no to the original question: Reading these comments only makes keeping to my promise never to buy anything form wizards so much easier.
I feel like a real castle has been demolished to make room for a theme-park castle.
4Eh.
If these boards had a signature function, this would go to the very top - even above my usual Thoughts in Kae'Yoss.
It perfectly sums it all up.
I was really dreading DM'ing those 15th level creatures with 2-3 page statblocks.
The Claimer's is about one page. And he's level 20. And a wizard.
About sacred cows. Do you have any idea how hard it was to get anywhere in Varanasi or Calcutta before the law made moving the sacred cows legal?
Nice mangling of a metaphor. I can one-up you:
After they made it legal to move them, did they slaughter all those cows, threw away the meat, and eat tofu?
That's what 4e did.
Old school D&D was literary, and pulp, and demanded that the DM's word was law. The new 4E is much less centralised. vive le difference.
Less centralised is right: You need 10 books to get the stuff the 3 3e core books had :P
And any RPG demands that the DM's word is law. He can make the law with the players' consent, but the DM has the last word. Otherwise, he wouldn't be the DM.
No - it's still a steaming of.... I mean, er no. I was pretty anti before, but actually reading the books really p!ssed me off.
Seems my "4e-diots" comments weren't that far off.
check out the picture of the medusa in the MM. That's a 3.5 iconic she's turned to stone!
Not surprised. wizards and their employees always had a knack for adding insult to injury. As something they don't like, and they first ignore you, and then, they still don't answer, but make fun of you in their products and on their website and in their forums.
DMG advise section that was much praised was largely a waste of space. I couldn't believe some of it, e.g. the advice on Prima Dona players: "Ask them to stop or ask them to leave." Wow. Just wow. And not in a good way.
So much for "more decentralised".
Well, they want you to continue their PR campaign in your game :P
Nope. I might eventually get a copy of 4e sometime in the future. However, for right now, I have other things to put my money towards. Like my Pathfinder collection or filling the holes that I have in my 3.x e collection. After those are filled, then maybe I will get the 4e rulebooks. Unless there is a good DVD TV set that I want first. However, barring that, I have no objection to PLAYING in a 4e game. In that case, I would get the 4e Players Handbook.
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Terrible Art and some of it has been reused from 3rd edition! That was something I really couldn't believe. Also, I don't know if this picture was just a re-use or if it is a terrible joke in bad taste, but check out the picture of the medusa in the MM. That's a 3.5 iconic she's turned to stone! My wife and I both thought that was bad....
It is a reuse. It's the cover of "The Sinister Spire", one of the 3.5 adventures.
Hey, the 4e threads are sneaking out of their gulag.
I have the whole section closed, now they're bunging up my last 10 anyway.Yup. Looks like the friendly days are over and we're back to flinging s!#!.
Yay.
Hopefully that does not happen again. I for one would not be too happy if that did occur. I figure that if you like it, then say so and leave it at that. If you dislike it, say so and leave it at that. Don't bring the drama back. Live and let live.
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Hopefully that does not happen again. I for one would not be too happy if that did occur. I figure that if you like it, then say so and leave it at that. If you dislike it, say so and leave it at that. Don't bring the drama back. Live and let live.
Too late, it's already happening. Not only do we have the bashing back in this thread (with attempts at stupid new 4 based insults), but any 4e thread is subject to extreme threadcrapping. Back to the same old classy behavior.
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I am really looking forward to the fire sale of 3e material that will take place once 4e officially hits the streets. It gives me a chance to fill in some of the holes in my collection.
I'll probably play 4e from time to time, but I've decided to stick with 3.5 for my own campaigns. I'm really surprised at how little I like 4e, considering some of the high-profile names associated with it, most of whom have produced some exceptional work in the past.
Hopefully the Pathfinder RPG will provide a cool new resource that I can draw upon - I like a lot of what I am seeing so far. The critical issue is going to be the level of backward compatibility that Pathfinder provides - if it is easy to use Pathfinder with most of my existing 3.5 material, I'll probably move across fully to the new system.
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Hey, the 4e threads are sneaking out of their gulag.
I have the whole section closed, now they're bunging up my last 10 anyway.Yup. Looks like the friendly days are over and we're back to flinging s*%@.
Yay.
I'll be good.
We got Pathfinder, all that stuff, Logue's making stuff; who cares.Nothing to fight over.
Hey, the 4e threads are sneaking out of their gulag.
I have the whole section closed, now they're bunging up my last 10 anyway.Yup. Looks like the friendly days are over and we're back to flinging s*%@.
Yay.
I'll be good.
We got Pathfinder, all that stuff, Logue's making stuff; who cares.
Nothing to fight over.
Amen!
~a shocked look comes over my face~ OMFG!!! Did I just agree with the were-poodle? ~screams and runs away in horror~ Noooooooo!!!!!
(~grins~ Hey Heathy! How is the wife and kids doing? Everything going good for you?)
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I figure that if you like it, then say so and leave it at that. If you dislike it, say so and leave it at that. Don't bring the drama back. Live and let live.
This is great advice. The opinions posted by certain people are skating dangerously close to outright flaming. That should not be acceptable in this community.
I don't like 4e and I'm happy to explain in detail why it doesn't suit my personal taste, but that's about it. Abusive and inflammatory remarks about WoTC, the designers, and 4e fans have no place here.
Anyone got a link to Clark's review? Can't find it.
I figure that if you like it, then say so and leave it at that. If you dislike it, say so and leave it at that. Don't bring the drama back. Live and let live.This is great advice. The opinions posted by certain people are skating dangerously close to outright flaming. That should not be acceptable in this community.
I don't like 4e and I'm happy to explain in detail why it doesn't suit my personal taste, but that's about it. Abusive and inflammatory remarks about WoTC, the designers, and 4e fans have no place here.
QFT. Couldn't have said it better.
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Too late, it's already happening. Not only do we have the bashing back in this thread (with attempts at stupid new 4 based insults), but any 4e thread is subject to extreme threadcrapping. Back to the same old classy behavior.
Sadly, I don't find myself hanging around the Paizo boards much anymore. Shame that, it used to be the friendliest/most thoughtful D&D board out there.
Still, I think this thread pretty much asked for having a steaming pile of 4e hate dumped on it, as it was posted in the Pathfinder RPG section. I only came across it because it popped up on the first page.
I'll try to stick to my 4e Paizo ghetto more, and hopefully, no one will feel the need to threadcrap on the "convert ROTRL/SCAP/AOW to 4e" threads.
I was planning on trying out both systems this rest of this year - PF in Golarion and 4e in the [b]Old Realms[/i] (NOT that abomination they are calling "the new Realms").
Two setings, two sets of rules. I was really looking forward to this, and my 19-year old son was going to help run one. I also have a 16 year old who plays, and several of their friends, all currently in the Realms.
After reading about whats going on with these rules, I think perhaps I may eed to re-think my plans. I'll finish up my current FR game, and start a Golarion game with my current payers - they love the 3e rules, and they are excited by what I have told them of Golarion.
I also have a 10 year old, and a 6 year old who always wantto play, but they are two young to mix with the others.
I think I just found the perfect ruleset to use for them.
Everything in its place... its just a damn shame I won't be able to use my mature group in FR anymore, but that was a decision a group of gentleman made two years before I even new about 4e. A 'Heroclix' versin of D&D sounds like the perfect 'starter set' for the younguns - thanks WotC for figuring out how to break in kids to the game, before they graduate onto the the 'big boy' rules. I'm sure Paizo will appreciate all the new customers a few years down the road.
before they graduate onto the the 'big boy' rules. I'm sure Paizo will appreciate all the new customers a few years down the road.
Okay this s*!~ is getting on my nerves, what hell about pathfinder makes it more "Big boy" than 4E?
Apparently the Monster Manual contains no fluff at all, no explanation what the creatures are and what they do, just a stats-block.Correct. A tiny 2-3 line paragraph of "fluff" then you are hit with crunched together stat blocks.
-DM Jeff
Cause guess what? Thats left you. I thank god that the MM is fluff lite, I ended up throwing just about everything from 3.5 anyway.
Terrible Art and some of it has been reused from 3rd edition! That was something I really couldn't believe. Also, I don't know if this picture was just a re-use or if it is a terrible joke in bad taste, but check out the picture of the medusa in the MM. That's a 3.5 iconic she's turned to stone! My wife and I both thought that was bad....
I'm reminded of a certain statue of Guile in King of Fighters '94. There's my obscure, off-topic reference of the day.
Haven't checked it out yet, but will be fair enough to flip through it. In truth, though, I'm so familiar w/3.5, that when I finally finish Savage Tide, I'm still using 3.5 anyway, as I can spend less time on re-learning D&D, and more on crafting/running the adventures I want to run. Maybe give it a couple of years?
It's hard for me to pin down my feelings here, but I feel like a real castle has been demolished to make room for a theme-park castle.
LOL! Well said!
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By and large it seems to me that they've taken 3.5, removed everything that was anything but in the most vague and/or indirect way D&D-like about it, wrote new band-aid material to fill the large gaps left, then repackaged it as D&D. It's like playing Warmammer FRP with fewer rules, no setting, and less interesting character types (and fewer of them).
That's funny. I have Dark Heresy, and love the 'verse, and the system is combat heavy and deadly. Was contemplating getting WHFRP. Looks like they tried to do WHFRP, but took all the nastiness out ...4e is WHFRP lite...LOL
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My stance on 4e when the announcement was made was one of excitement. I felt that 3.5 though good, needed to be updated and improved in some critical areas. I was optimistic to say the least. Then the PR campaign began. I had to endure constant evasion by WotC on what the rules would include. They promised this magical online gaming digital intiative that we could preview for free until 4e came out. Then the free preview was a steaming pile of bunk that never had articles up on time and never delivered on its promises. You would get a heading like "secrets of 4e revieled for the first time!!!" and when you opened the article it was some exec saying how amazingly awesome the rules were and we would see that ourselves when the books came out. Then the censorship, flaming, and outright hatred for anyone that didn't become a 4e fanboy started.
After the worst PR campaign I had ever witnessed I made the decision I would not be converting to 4e on principle. That was long before Paizo announced any decisions. Paizo goes on to decide to do PFRPG and then we have to start enduring the 4e fanboy haters and ridiculous PR here. Eventually some of us started fighting back and we got labeled as flamers and worse. I will not spend a penny on another WotC product. I am personally going to spend every spare hobby dollar I have on Paizo's products to give them as much financial support as I can muster. They gave us an alternative to being assimilated by the Borg (er I mean 4e). Most importantly, they asked what we thought about the rules and then listened and changed things based on our feedback. They've earned my loyalty and my money by working hard for us fans to give us the game we want. It will be compatible with the thousands of dollars of 3.5 material I own. After the relaunch of Dragon and Dungeon in the print magazine, Paizo consistently produced higher quality work for D&D than WotC did. All the best D&D sourcebooks of the last couple of years have had Paizo authors on them.
I think the reason WotC did not make an OGL for 4e and the reason they canceled the license on Dungeon and Dragon magazines is that they couldn't cope with Paizo making better products than they were and at a more affordable price. It reaked of them being unwilling to improve their product. They just wanted to make something that would require mass sales of core products to a younger audience that hadn't cut their teeth on old school D&D.
For me, it is enough that Paizo is making PFRPG and it is a product I LOVE. I will spend my money on Paizo and be happy as a kid at Christmas. I hope the 4e fans enjoy the game and it turns out to be everything they have been convinced it is over the last year. I hope they have fun til they can't have fun anymore. I know I will be with the incredible world of Golarion and the Pathfinder line of products. I am already a Pathfinder superscriber, and I will be buying multiple copies of the hardcover release and I will likely make a plunge into their pewter miniatures line in the near future (I actually prefer prepainted miniatures, but I refuse to buy a WotC product on principle). If I were a multi millionaire, I would invest heavily in this company because of their passionate commitment to customer service and the soul of D&D.
The best minds in the business from my perspective are right here at Paizo. If 4e was my only option I would undoubtedly be discouraged about what to do for my hobby. I don't have that problem though, and I hope the 4e folks all the best with the new game. If they find after playing it that they don't like it, we will still be here and they can jump on the wagon whenever they want. Paizo has said they will be making 4e products in the future, so certainly I hope 4e fans will purchase those products. The question of whether 4e is as good as everyone has been saying for the last year is largely irrelevant to me now. I had been curious to see how it would turn out, but now I have a product I am happy with and I don't really care what 4e is like personally anymore. I hope it is great for those who are committed to it, but for me I got all I need for my gaming fix right here.
From what i ear ans read about 4ed remind me a lot of when use to play DAOC,if you dont follow the mold your caracter will suck and every one will tell it to you,every one was the same and probably still is that why i quit DOAC (that and i coudnt afford a new PCevery expansion)and that why a wont byu 4ed
Because it's easier to make snap judgments based on pre-existing biases than form intelligent and informed opinions.I'm not sure why people feel that 4e is about rules and not fluff.
Or it could be because I haven't had a chance to actually see the leaked books myself so I am basing my opinion on the info that Wizards has presented to us.
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Changing ideas again Mark?
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Sadly, I don't find myself hanging around the Paizo boards much anymore. Shame that, it used to be the friendliest/most thoughtful D&D board out there.Still, I think this thread pretty much asked for having a steaming pile of 4e hate dumped on it, as it was posted in the Pathfinder RPG section. I only came across it because it popped up on the first page.
I'll try to stick to my 4e Paizo ghetto more, and hopefully, no one will feel the need to threadcrap on the "convert ROTRL/SCAP/AOW to 4e" threads.
I believe that Paizo should adopt a zero-tolerance policy for threadcrapping, regardless of which faction is doing it.
4e is obviously a divisive issue within the D&D community, but that is no excuse for obnoxious behavior.
If you can't be polite and respectful towards other people's opinions and feelings, you have no place on these messageboards. Period.
It's one thing to say that you either do or don't like 4e and give some reasons for your opinion. It's another thing entirely to pour contempt upon the opinions of everyone who disagrees with you.
I don't like 4e. I've outlined some of my reasons elsewhere. But I'm interested in listening to the opinions of those who DO like 4e.
IMHO, the choice of whether or not to move to 4e is one of personal taste. It's not as though 3.5 is going away - the Pathfinder RPG will ensure that 3.5 material will continue to be published for some time into the future.
The stuff I have seen so far has done far more to diminish my interest in 4e than peak it.
I am compelled by my OCD to tell you: The word you are looking for is pique. That beautiful blond bob and short skirt piqued my interest.
He advocated immolating the servers in a fit of pique.
Just to let you know. A case could be made that you were referring to your interest hitting a peak, but the idiom overrides such a construction by default.
I guess I still was holding out hope that my dislike was just another aspect of WotC's bad PR, but after seeing 4E, it is worse than I thought.
It is like everything I enjoy about D&D has been removed or nerfed.
I have always enjoyed playing PCs against type or just creating unusual characters. My first Pathfinder Paladin was based on the image of Assassin's Creed main character, he is a Paladin of Pharasma who hunts Undead. Many of my favorite PCs can't be created with 4E; No Illusionist, no Seer and then there is the focus of the classes. All class Powers are based on combat. Many of the spells I like to use creatively are now rituals and have different rules.
Multi-Classing is a joke. A 4E Rogue using a Wizard Multi-classing feat is the equivilent of a Pathfinder Rogue using the Rogue Talents Minor/Major Magic.
The powers read like Magic:The Gathering cards, you get a single sentence of fluff and a bunch of rules that are almost in code. There have been a few I had trouble figuring out exactly what it did. And with every class getting powers, they all look alike. And yes, a 4E wizard will not "run out of spells", but I predict they will be reduced to casting the same "at will" power over and over again. Many of the Fighter's and Rogue's Exploits read like chess moves; slide 2 squares left, push a square back or pull 3 squares forward.
Magic Items are pathetic! I know they wanted to reduce the dependancy on them but this? Most have a minor effect and a Daily Power effect. Girdle of Giant Strength? +2 to Athletic skill, yeah an iconic item reduced to a Skill Focus feat. Staff of power? It's daily power is more like a Pearl of Power, you regain the use of one of your daily powers, but only if you score a critical hit. Which means the staff is useless with powers that don't deal damage. Potions? there is just four. And every item has a level, the lowest level ring is 14th level and I haven't told you the worst part yet.
If your PC is 1st-10th level, you can only use one Daily use of a magic item a day. Yes, if you use your sword's daily power, you cannot use your Shield's, your Armor's or any other item you have. 11th-20th you can use 2 and 21st-30th you can use 3. I assume if you become an immortal god you can now use 4 of your items daily powers.
I know that "killing things and taking their stuff" has allways ben a part of D&D, but in 4E, the classes are optimized for combat only and monsters in the Monster Mannual are there only to be killed. There are multiple pages for each creature but no ecology, nothing but a little lore section. And these Minions just don't make any sense to me. Why create such a powerful monster with only 1 hit point? Oh and remember the metalic dragons were left out? What took their place? Dragonspawn!
I have not read the Combat section since every picture is miniatures, miniatures and more miniatues. Oh yes I know, "You don't need miniatures to play." well technically you don't need a fork and spoon to eat, but here is your spaghetti and soup, have fun!
So to answer your question, I cancelled my pre-order, this is not a game I would enjoy playing. There is nothing here that is even mildy exciting and I will have to check the 4EDMG and see what it says about "old school gamers" and maybe they should be asked to leave the table too.
I have not read the Combat section since every picture is miniatures, miniatures and more miniatues. Oh yes I know, "You don't need miniatures to play." well technically you don't need a fork and spoon to eat, but here is your spaghetti and soup, have fun!
O,o? ... LMAO ...I'd say I hate you for making me spray coke on my computer screen at work, but I just cant. THis would be SOOO sig worthy, if we only had sigs... LOL
I am normally against burning books, but.....
My expectations were fulfilled in great exactness. 4e is a set of books on running the minis game. Pah! They dared to name it D&D! Their blasphemy will not bear fruit, their houses will be cast down, their plans will be dust...sorry, I'm disappointed.
I read the books over, and while there are /several/ ideas I really like and would house rule into my 3.5 Games, or hope to find in Pathfinder, my general opinion is a great, sinking disappointment.
It's just not my D&D, it's something different, an entirely new game that appeals to players (And alot of them) I cannot even begin to understand. I just like my characters being somewhat unique, and a series of more than just a stack of numbers and combat powers.
D&D has always been combat heavy, but 4E is practically a tactical miniatures game.
I like the Elf Racial Write up, and alot of the skills, and ideas for some of the powers, but overwhelmingly this is not an RPG to me, this is a complicated boardgame.
Okay this s#*! is getting on my nerves, what hell about pathfinder makes it more "Big boy" than 4E?
D&D is an RPG.
Pathfinder is an RPG.
4e is a tactical simulation. If you want, you can use it as the basis for an RPG, but then you have to make-up all the non-combat stuff yourself. This is little more then the 'deluxe rules' for thier miniatures.
I play the Star Wars minis game with my younger kids, hence my assertion that I am sure my younger kids would enjoy 4e.
I also have a problem with the rules being released before they were complete - there are five power sources still 'coming soon', two PC races missing from the PHB, sevral classes that won't be availbale until next year, etc.. they took out all of the 'mental spells' in order to make psionics more unique (their words, not mine), but psionics won't be available until next year (if ever), which means the magic system is now also incomplete...
I really don't like the idea of paying a hundred bucks for these three books seperately, and still only get half a game. maybe when its complete, I'll look it over then... when they release the 4.5 books a year and a half from now. In the meantime, there's nothing stopping me from enjoying all of me 3e books with the Pathfinder system.
I wonder what they have in store for 5e? One race and class per book? there's a right way to make money, and a wrong way. Selling us bits and pieces of a system and making empty promises is, in my book, the wrong way.
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I have now seen a copy of the rules. I didn't have time to read them in detail, but given some of the comments I've heard, I was shocked at how much flavour and campaign advice and role-playing info are in those books.
Right now, the game looks better than I expected, although I will fully admit that it is not really much like 3e. I know that bugs a lot of people, but not me. I'll keep playing 3e/Pathfinder, but I'll play this too, and lots of other games, just like always.
Funny thing is, one of the things that has pushed me more towards liking 4e is all of the outrageously false criticisms people have made of the game. Because I tried to find out if those things were true, and guess what? A lot of them weren't, which made me say "Hey, this is actually good." So the game exceeded my expectations.
Incidentally, I play 3E with my 8 year old daughter. I think she would have a harder time with 4E than she does with 3E. Just throwing that out there for all the folks saying 4E is for kids. I'll give it a go some time and see. She's not afraid to try new rules out.
Don't think I don't have any complaints. There are a few things I don't like, but I'll try the game as written for a bit before house-ruling my favourite 3E rules back in. I am disappointed with the recycled art. I know they've always recycled art, but in the core books of a new edition? They should be bringing their A game here.
Hell yes, it DID change my mind!
I really thought, well it doesn't sound THAT bad.
Let's see what they've done FIRST and judge later.
WELL. I came, I saw, I judged it CRAP!
While I didn't look at the combat or other mechanics, I looked over the races and classes.
This is just SO not ROLE(!)-playing anymore. I did not want to believe it at first, but this IS some friggin MMORPG (those actually don't even worth be called RPGs - they are ALL nothing but Third Person Action Adventure)!
I AM SOOOOO DISAPPOINTED!!!
Okay this s#*! is getting on my nerves, what hell about pathfinder makes it more "Big boy" than 4E?D&D is an RPG.
Pathfinder is an RPG.
4e is a tactical simulation. If you want, you can use it as the basis for an RPG, but then you have to make-up all the non-combat stuff yourself. This is little more then the 'deluxe rules' for thier miniatures.
The rest of the stuff I'm skipping cause its not important for a varieity of reasons IMO (The PHB, MM, and DMG is complete). 4E is still a RPG, its still a RPG, its still an RPG, its still an RPG. There is a ton of out of combat stuff in there, it has more support for out of combat stuff than 3E and Pathfinder did, it actually has sections devoted to running it sans combat, its easily mutable. How the hell is it not a RPG still?
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D&D is an RPG.
Pathfinder is an RPG.
4e is a tactical simulation. If you want, you can use it as the basis for an RPG, but then you have to make-up all the non-combat stuff yourself. This is little more then the 'deluxe rules' for thier miniatures.
Ahhh...I see how this line of "reasoning" works! You just make assertions and leave it at that. Woot! I can play.
3e is the worst RPG ever.
Pathfinder is the second worst RPG ever.
4e is the best RPG ever. Why is it the best? Because I said it's the best and I have defined the term "best" as "whatever I say is the best". Thus, through my mastery of circular reasoning and poor analysis, I have proven my point!
Watch, I can do more!
3e doesn't have rules for clipping your toenails. Clipping toenails is a major part of every game in which I've ever played. Therefore, 3e is an incomplete rules set! Woot!
I bet this works for all sorts of other debates, ranging from politics to religion. How enlightening.
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Hell yes, it DID change my mind!
I really thought, well it doesn't sound THAT bad.
Let's see what they've done FIRST and judge later.WELL. I came, I saw, I judged it CRAP!
While I didn't look at the combat or other mechanics, I looked over the races and classes.
This is just SO not ROLE(!)-playing anymore. I did not want to believe it at first, but this IS some friggin MMORPG (those actually don't even worth be called RPGs - they are ALL nothing but Third Person Action Adventure)!I AM SOOOOO DISAPPOINTED!!!
This kind of post is inflammatory and should be deleted by a moderator.
There is no excuse for this kind of threadcrapping. If you can't express your opinion in a polite and constructive manner, then don't express it at all.
Pardon me?
I didn't flame any poster here!
Indeed, I ALWAYS try to be as polite as possible.
How I think about THIS PARTICULAR GAME is just that - MY oppinion.
I really don't see why expressing my oppinion and feelings WITHOUT getting rude to ANY OTHER POSTER is bad habbit.
I just answered to the MAIN THREAD TITLE/QUESTION!
So where is your problem?