If they do, they would be doing these boards a favour. It's a venomous, stinky thread, it is.
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Back at you. Stop defending theft.
Brian,
I work in credit and debt collection, and i do not condone theft of any kind. I have now over ten years in this job.
I have initiated several lawsuits against bad payers for my employers, with often much better files than what we have here. I mean, I had a lot of evidence, and the target was solvent.
The short thing is : unless the amount is enormous, and you are willing to spend a fortune on one of the few good lawyers around ... you will be disappointed. A lot.
So now, I always try to solve a dispute peacefully, and I avoid intimidation as much as I can because, when dealing with companies, that is largely bluff.
Of course I am not happy about this, but I can't do much more than rant against Justice in general.
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It's useful for those of us waiting for refunds or news.
Exactly - and we are willing to wait and keep hoping that something will be resolved. Yes, we gripe and complain now and again, but still we hope for some type of news or a resolution.
To Sissyl - here's an idea - why not lock YOURSELF out of this thread and leave the rest of us "whiners" alone? How about that?
Brian,
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Whoa... "people with suspicious motives"? There is nothing suspicious about them. I have been entirely honest about it. I think it's a shame you guys can't move on, and worse that you even now can't refrain from calling Nick a villain.
As I said: It's been years. It's not money you needed for food. It's not even massive amounts of money. Time to let go of the anger.
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I think the biggest question I keep asking myself is why doesn't Nick take up one of the offers to turn over the project?
It seems obvious that, for whatever reason, he is unwilling or unable to complete it himself. More than one reputable company has obviously contacted him with offers to take the thing off his hands, finish it and make everyone happy.
It seems like a win-win for everyone, yet he apparently is unwilling or unable to take any of theses companies up on the offers. From the sounds of it, he doesn't even reply to the offers. That just seems ... odd.
To me, this is the single strangest aspect of the whole, sorted, messy situation.
Does anyone have any insight on why Nick will not or can not sign over the thing to someone else and wash his hands of the whole situation? Seems like he would welcome the chance to get out from under what has been a huge weight for him.
Full disclosure - I did not pre order and have no money involved that needs refunded. I'm really just interested as an RPG fan who was a big fan of Logue's work and can't figure out what the heck is going on!
Actually, at this point, the only pressure that anyone can put on Nick is to hold his character up for scrutiny. If threads like this can keep Nick from working in the RPG community again, should he ever choose to, until he fixes the situation then that is appropriate to me. He put himself in this situation, nobody forced it on him. His bad choices have tarnished his reputation.
Now if he ever gets things fixed up, by putting out the product and fulfilling the orders or paying back the customers' preorders, and people are still gripping at that point, I will agree it is time to grow up. But this situation is still unresolved, and pressure should be kept up until it is.
Honestly, the only solution I could imagine at this point is another company purchasing the IP and products and put them out. Nick being payed enough to repay all the preorders with perhaps no profit for himself ultimately. And that other company producing them where everyone has to get in line over again to purchase them.
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I think the biggest question I keep asking myself is why doesn't Nick take up one of the offers to turn over the project?
It seems obvious that, for whatever reason, he is unwilling or unable to complete it himself. More than one reputable company has obviously contacted him with offers to take the thing off his hands, finish it and make everyone happy.
It seems like a win-win for everyone, yet he apparently is unwilling or unable to take any of theses companies up on the offers. From the sounds of it, he doesn't even reply to the offers. That just seems ... odd.
To me, this is the single strangest aspect of the whole, sorted, messy situation.
Does anyone have any insight on why Nick will not or can not sign over the thing to someone else and wash his hands of the whole situation? Seems like he would welcome the chance to get out from under what has been a huge weight for him.
Full disclosure - I did not pre order and have no money involved that needs refunded. I'm really just interested as an RPG fan who was a big fan of Logue's work and can't figure out what the heck is going on!
Not that I am aware of, perhaps people that know him as friends outside of the industry like Pett might, but if anyone does they are not talking as far as I know.
I'm with Marc - why doesn't Nick sell out and let the product be produced by someone else? Maybe he can't for some reason, or maybe it's not as simple as it seems from a layman's point of view.
I just wish Nick would come on these boards and "man up" for what he has done or failed to do. Take responsibility for taking our money and not producing a product as promised. Take the heat, the verbal accusations, the venomous retorts...and then apologize for cheating all of us who pre-paid for RC. Hell, that would go a long way in my eyes for some redemption.
Own up, man up, and apologize.
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Not that I am aware of, perhaps people that know him as friends outside of the industry like Pett might, but if anyone does they are not talking as far as I know.
Nor would you expect them to. Hypothetically, if something like an illness or personal issues was keeping from finishing this, that is none of their business and I wouldn't expect them to come around peddling gossip about one of their friends.
It was resolved quite a while ago. None of us just know what happened. At this point, it is pretty clear that things are not going to change.
So yeah, it's resolved by now. Calling him names to KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE RPG INDUSTRY is not likely to improve anything, is it now?
It was resolved quite a while ago. None of us just know what happened. At this point, it is pretty clear that things are not going to change.
So yeah, it's resolved by now. Calling him names to KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE RPG INDUSTRY is not likely to improve anything, is it now?
Really, what was the resolution? Did he put out a statement that he was telling everyone else that hasn't got their refund that they were out of luck? I missed that. In fact people who show up on this thread asking, "Has anyone heard anything lately?" Also seemed to have missed this announcement. Can you provide a link to somewhere the announcement is posted?
It was resolved quite a while ago. None of us just know what happened. At this point, it is pretty clear that things are not going to change.
So yeah, it's resolved by now. Calling him names to KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE RPG INDUSTRY is not likely to improve anything, is it now?
Ya mean this "resolution" from Nick?
sorry the site is out of action! I am having some trouble getting it up and running and I'm also updating it for the endgame of Sinister as a sinking ship with just two products (and one wave of Indulgences left to come).
Those concerned about refunds - just email me at loguen@essex.ac.uk and I'll process those for you as quickly as possible - I'm slowly slogging my way through them all, but its a load of looking up order histories so its taking longer than I would have liked. Sorry for the delays on the repays! Shoot me an email and I will sort you all out! No refund left behind!
or did you mean this one:
Terribly sorry! Not sure why I haven't received these requests for reimbursements. Please try the following email and I'll process any refunds IMMEDIATELY (or at least within 24 hours).
Hmmm, probably right. It is better to keep the sniping here than get new threads. Ah well, I have said what I intended to say.
I think the anger and frustration is really all about Nick failing to come out with a definite statement on Razor Coast.
So Nick, can you please post something here to definitely (100%) put to rest the issues of refund and actual publication of Razor Coast?
Do you really believe that Nick actually reads this messageboard anymore?
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Do you really believe that Nick actually reads this messageboard anymore?I think the anger and frustration is really all about Nick failing to come out with a definite statement on Razor Coast.
So Nick, can you please post something here to definitely (100%) put to rest the issues of refund and actual publication of Razor Coast?
It's a forlorn hope, I know. But I felt the need to put it on record.
It's a forlorn hope, I know. But I felt the need to put it on record.Do you really believe that Nick actually reads this messageboard anymore?I think the anger and frustration is really all about Nick failing to come out with a definite statement on Razor Coast.
So Nick, can you please post something here to definitely (100%) put to rest the issues of refund and actual publication of Razor Coast?
I imagine he does. Curiosity on what's being said alone would likely cause him to check in once in a while. Posting though is another matter. But I imagine he lurks from time to time
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I actually gave up about 40 hours of my time to proofread the thing and I'm well fed up with the broken promises. Definitely this summer hasn't happened either, and absolutely no word.
The money - I've long forgotten about it. I'd have billed $500 for 40 hours of proofreading if it was a real job.
The lack of contact, feedback... everything. Inexcusable, and very sad. Back when Nick was in the zone, he was a great guy, full of good ideas and fun mails. This last year or ... two? Not the same.
Duke won.Well, "Duke Nukem Forever" is due out in May, so Razor Coast should come out a few weeks before that.It's now a race.
Hail to the king, baby.
Duke won.Well, "Duke Nukem Forever" is due out in May, so Razor Coast should come out a few weeks before that.It's now a race.
That is so sad.
I actually gave up about 40 hours of my time to proofread the thing and I'm well fed up with the broken promises. Definitely this summer hasn't happened either, and absolutely no word.
The money - I've long forgotten about it. I'd have billed $500 for 40 hours of proofreading if it was a real job.
The lack of contact, feedback... everything. Inexcusable, and very sad. Back when Nick was in the zone, he was a great guy, full of good ideas and fun mails. This last year or ... two? Not the same.
Yeah, me too man.
My Razor Coast Campaign hit sixth level...wonder how i did it without the product! :)
With Nick slated to appear at PaizoCon this year, will there be any closure on this, or at least some answers?
With Nick slated to appear at PaizoCon this year, will there be any closure on this, or at least some answers?
You're kidding, right? He's got money for airfare, hotel, and expenses...but he can't pay people he owes for the work on this project, much less refund the pre-orders, or release the damn thing! He ought to be ashamed to show his face until he makes amends.
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With Nick slated to appear at PaizoCon this year, will there be any closure on this, or at least some answers?You're kidding, right? He's got money for airfare, hotel, and expenses...but he can't pay people he owes for the work on this project, much less refund the pre-orders, or release the damn thing! He ought to be ashamed to show his face until he makes amends.
Hedgeknight, you should probably take a look at this thread.
You guys are aware that there's a system in place to get your refunds, right? Go over to the Compatible Products forums if not.
You're right Mothman > wish I had seen that thread before I ranted on Nic...yet again. :)
His apology sounds quite sincere...and that's all I want. Just man up and own up.
Me too - sounds like he went through some pretty hard times. And that takes a man awhile to crawl out of.
Tbats a lot of posts...
I read somewhere that Razor Coast may become a Kickstarter project later in the year...any truth to that?
I read somewhere that Razor Coast may become a Kickstarter project later in the year...any truth to that?
There's a few mentions of it over in the other thread(s). But that's all I've heard.