I love this show. It's right up there with Heroes on my to-watch list. The female terminator sent back in time to protect John is a very interesting character. I kinda wish they could have talked Linda Hamilton into playing Sarah. That would have been great, since John grown up into a teenager would work with the actor they chose for him. Still, the actress they have playing Sarah is talented and fills in well on the show. Some of the tie-ins to the movies are also well done.
I haven't seen it, but I am glad that Summer Glau is working again. I have missed seeing her since Firefly was canceled.
I haven't seen it, but I am glad that Summer Glau is working again. I have missed seeing her since Firefly was canceled.
Wouldn't the stats for a terminator be great for a d20 Modern/Gamma World adventure? Terminator, the RPG....
David Schwartz; That was AWESOME!
I like sensuality and elegance with my violence with occasional interludes of gut wrenching brutality to provide a sense of scale.
That end scene in Serenity is beautiful with the pause after she finishes with the reavers and you don't know if the marines are next. *sigh*
I would love 90 minutes of that please.
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I love this show. It's right up there with Heroes on my to-watch list.
I wouldn't go that far, but I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would.
By the way, the title of the next episode is "Dungeons & Dragons." Wonder what that's about...
I watched the first (pilot) and thought it was a little bit pants, BUT it did have some potential. The actors are great and I really like the lady doing Sarah Conner.
After watching the next three episodes I've decided I'm a quite the fan now and look forward to each one. This series gets better and better. The cgi is a smidge ropey at times but on the whole its well written and tense.
My prediction:
You just know that the female terminator is going to end up being skynet and will declare war on humanity because after becoming more and more human she will develop feelings for John and he will rebuke her (perhaps getting a real girlfriend etc) causing Summers character to go batsh1t become the very thing she was sent back to prevent.
It would be all tragic and time loopy! :)
OMG! and HOW utterly hot was/is 'Cromartie'?! :P
So far it's been one great episode after another. Let's see if they can keep this up.
By the way, the title of the next episode is "Dungeons & Dragons." Wonder what that's about...
Ha! That's funny! I could say something snarky here about the machine taking over the people, but I won't... ;-)
It doesn't seem to have the production flair that went into Heroes, but it sure is on my watch list.
My only regret is that it was made south of the border, because if it was done in Canada we would be seeing the bewbies.
It doesn't seem to have the production flair that went into Heroes, but it sure is on my watch list.
My only regret is that it was made south of the border, because if it was done in Canada we would be seeing the bewbies.
::tipping my hat:: Agreed, good sir. I record 'em and watch 'em two eps at a time.
Can anybody explain why the episode from 18 Feb was named "Dungeons and Dragons"? I kept looking for some reference to the game, or that the story mirrored a famous module, but...I just don't get the reference.
'Twas a metaphor.
One could consider the Terminator a dragon, in need of slaying, and the Resistance members as the heroes, caught in a dungeon.
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Can anybody explain why the episode from 18 Feb was named "Dungeons and Dragons"? I kept looking for some reference to the game, or that the story mirrored a famous module, but...I just don't get the reference.'Twas a metaphor.
One could consider the Terminator a dragon, in need of slaying, and the Resistance members as the heroes, caught in a dungeon.
...oooooohh.
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Funny. I'm a big Summer Glau fan and that's what brought me to the series premier. I haven't been back. I totally couldn't get into the story. And the woman playing Sarah Connor did absolutely nothing for me ... especially with my last recollection of Sarah Connor (from the movie) being all beefed up and warrior-like for the war. This Sarah Connor for the TV series just seems a little too soft around the edges ... particularly where the TV series comes in, i.e., post-T2.
Funny. I'm a big Summer Glau fan and that's what brought me to the series premier. I haven't been back. I totally couldn't get into the story. And the woman playing Sarah Connor did absolutely nothing for me ... especially with my last recollection of Sarah Connor (from the movie) being all beefed up and warrior-like for the war. This Sarah Connor for the TV series just seems a little too soft around the edges ... particularly where the TV series comes in, i.e., post-T2.
In what way was our new Sarah Connor "a little too soft around the edges"? In terms of character, she IS pretty tough. Not like a female Marine, necessarily, but prepared to make the hard choices. I'll admit that she doesn't have the build of Linda Hamilton (did I remember the right actress), but if you saw 300, then you'd remember at least one other role she's played where she's been the woman willing to do what it takes to get things done.
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Funny. I'm a big Summer Glau fan and that's what brought me to the series premier. I haven't been back. I totally couldn't get into the story. And the woman playing Sarah Connor did absolutely nothing for me ... especially with my last recollection of Sarah Connor (from the movie) being all beefed up and warrior-like for the war. This Sarah Connor for the TV series just seems a little too soft around the edges ... particularly where the TV series comes in, i.e., post-T2.In what way was our new Sarah Connor "a little too soft around the edges"? In terms of character, she IS pretty tough. Not like a female Marine, necessarily, but prepared to make the hard choices. I'll admit that she doesn't have the build of Linda Hamilton (did I remember the right actress), but if you saw 300, then you'd remember at least one other role she's played where she's been the woman willing to do what it takes to get things done.
I'll take Lena Headey over Linda Hamilton any day.
Story? There was a story?Hmm. Good point. Maybe that was the problem.
Okay, now you're taking all the fun out of my leering at Summer Glau.
I don't know, but I'm pretty sure she could be called the poster girl of all geekdom.
What is it about her that turns me on?Okay, now you're taking all the fun out of my leering at Summer Glau.I'm leering too.. hot terminator girl is the only reason I'm watching..
She's a hawt female Data. Admit it, come on, it's alright if you do. ;p
And so very nimble...
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And so very nimble...
And Flexible.
Physically? It's those eyes and that complexion. Also the grace the actress has.
Psychologically? It's the body language and the way she delivers lines. I almost didn't recognize her when I saw her on The Unit. All bubbly and cheerful like.
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Is it pedophilia if it's a robot...?What is it about her that turns me on?Okay, now you're taking all the fun out of my leering at Summer Glau.I'm leering too.. hot terminator girl is the only reason I'm watching..
I think that's robophilia.
Besides, Summer Glau is 26 years old.
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Is it pedophilia if it's a robot...?What is it about her that turns me on?Okay, now you're taking all the fun out of my leering at Summer Glau.I'm leering too.. hot terminator girl is the only reason I'm watching..I think that's robophilia.
Besides, Summer Glau is 26 years old.
...but her terminator character was supposed to be a high school student in the first episode...even though she was from the future, so that would mean she was zero years old...nevermind, headache coming on...
Actually, would that make her negatively old?
Just to mess with your head.
Season Two is underway. The first episode rocked! Quite the risk John took reinserting the chip, but you knew he had to do it, for Summer and for his character's own chances. This show just keeps getting better. :-)
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Season Two is underway. The first episode rocked! Quite the risk John took reinserting the chip, but you knew he had to do it, for Summer and for his character's own chances. This show just keeps getting better. :-)
Agreed. I was lukewarm on it at the start of last season, but nearly every episode has been better than the one before it, and the season premiere was the best by far.
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Story? There was a story?Hmm. Good point. Maybe that was the problem.
I would have to agree. I've tried to watch a few episodes but could never get into it. The biggest thing that I liked about Terminator was the fact that they realized that they could not change the future and any attempts to just created the problem that they intended to correct. I also like the idea that the time travellers were an all or nothing proposition. T2 changed that, but still mantained the idea that the future could not be changed for the people already living it. T3 was a dud, although it did have an interesting premise, that instead of killing John Conners Skynet would kill the others who helped him form the resistance. It also reinforced that their actions could not prevent that future from happening because it already had, by the Terminator refering to events that did not happen in that timeline, but did help lead up to the future that the Terminator came from.
So what does this all have to do with TSCC? The one thing the movies all had in common was that sending someone back in time was a difficult process that could only occur that one time and then a new machine or method had to be created. You miss this shot and it will be a long time before you get another shot. But the episodes of TSCC that I have seen seem like there is a turnpike to the past. For me that sort of ruins the mystique. It feels like it is only a matter of time until Skynet figures out how to send whole battalions to the past and then mankind is just screwed. Anyway, I will just wait until Terminator: Salvation to get my Terminator fix. A movie set during the actual resistance is after all the next logical step.
I watched the first eppy of the new series the other day and I thought it was quite good. Shirley Manson (from the band Garbage) is it it! Woah!
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The one thing the movies all had in common was that sending someone back in time was a difficult process that could only occur that one time and then a new machine or method had to be created.
Actually, the single Terminator and single Resistance Fighter in the first movie is because Skynet only had time to send a single T-800 back before John and the Resistance busted into the core complex. John sent Kyle back, then blew up the building, destroying both the time machine and killing Skynet. T1 wasn't about changing the future, it was about ensuring that John Connor would be there to lead the Resistance to victory.
The remaining films never bothered to justify the survival of Skynet, the creation of additional time machines or why Skynet didn't send hordes through the gate. They didn't even explain how a T-1000 or T-X was capable of time travel, when they lack an organic sheath.
And so very nimble...And Flexible.
Physically? It's those eyes and that complexion. Also the grace the actress has.
Psychologically? It's the body language and the way she delivers lines. I almost didn't recognize her when I saw her on The Unit. All bubbly and cheerful like.
Definitely graceful. Noted that in the one episode last season when she was 'learning' ballet. Beautiful.
The one thing the movies all had in common was that sending someone back in time was a difficult process that could only occur that one time and then a new machine or method had to be created.Actually, the single Terminator and single Resistance Fighter in the first movie is because Skynet only had time to send a single T-800 back before John and the Resistance busted into the core complex. John sent Kyle back, then blew up the building, destroying both the time machine and killing Skynet. T1 wasn't about changing the future, it was about ensuring that John Connor would be there to lead the Resistance to victory.
The remaining films never bothered to justify the survival of Skynet, the creation of additional time machines or why Skynet didn't send hordes through the gate. They didn't even explain how a T-1000 or T-X was capable of time travel, when they lack an organic sheath.
That is the crux of my one big problem with the series... in the opening recap of virtually every episode we see cromartie's meatless tin noggin bouncing out of the time travel lightningstorm. Of course now that big, recurring continuity error is out in the open, perhaps it will be addressed --- is retroactively the right word, with the entire premise predicated on time travel? --- particularly now, that it's been revealed skynet sent a t1000 to insure it's being built.
What is it about her that turns me on?Okay, now you're taking all the fun out of my leering at Summer Glau.I'm leering too.. hot terminator girl is the only reason I'm watching..
Answer for me would be that she's mad cute, wicked hot and frack creepy all at one time.
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The Chess Game seems to be the primary metaphor of the series. It's almost like the writers played a chess game and then wrote a story to correspond with each set of moves.
Sarah Connor is the QUEEN, obviously.
John is the KING. (Present self: the piece, future self: the player)
Cameron is the (King's side) ROOK. The player "castled" early in the game.
Derek Reese is a KNIGHT.
The FBI guy is a BISHOP (they even have him talk faith/religion to extend the metaphor).
The various people being hunted/eliminated by both sides are clearly PAWNS, and when one of them gets replaced by a Terminator double, it's as if one of them got to the other side of the board as was replaced by a captured piece.
SKYNET is the other KING.
The Terminators seem to mainly be ROOKS or KNIGHTS.
The T-1000 introduced this season has the makings of the QUEEN, it seems. I don't think it's a coincidence that they made its preferred form female.
It wouldn't surprise me if the series finale showed a chess game interspersed with a montage of events that represented moves on the board.
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An interesting storyline would be if Skynet further in the future realized that sending the first Terminator back to kill Sarah Conners created it's current situation, and so sends another unit back to prevent itself from sending the first one back in time. That would create a situation in which John Conners and the Resistance had to actually work to prevent Skynet from defeating itself, in order to ensure that John is born to create the Resistance in the first place. It would make a great one-shot episode set in the future, or even have it bleed over into our time as John, Sarah, and Cameron are kidnapped by agents of the earlier Skynet to stop the plans of the later Skynet. Confused yet?
An interesting storyline would be if Skynet further in the future realized that sending the first Terminator back to kill Sarah Conners created it's current situation, and so sends another unit back to prevent itself from sending the first one back in time. That would create a situation in which John Conners and the Resistance had to actually work to prevent Skynet from defeating itself, in order to ensure that John is born to create the Resistance in the first place. It would make a great one-shot episode set in the future, or even have it bleed over into our time as John, Sarah, and Cameron are kidnapped by agents of the earlier Skynet to stop the plans of the later Skynet. Confused yet?
Technically what makes you think Cameron isn't doing just that?
She's keeping John alive because as long as he exists Skynet MUST exist because he can only be born because Kyle Reese went back in time to save Sarah Connor.The continued use of time travel is making things more complicated because sooner rather than later someone is going to realise that to stop all of this they need to find the source of the paradox that allows this form of time travel to work and that paradox is John Connor himself!
We don't actually know what happened that resulted in Cameron going back in time, even Derek doesn't know but he does know he doesn't trust any machine and who knows he may be right about Cameron!
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See I'm looking at it from this angle. Skynet discovers that Kyle is John's father, and that it was it's initial time travel event that resulted in Kyle being sent back in time and John being born. Therefore, Skynet realizes that to eleminate John all it has to do is send some agents back and stop itself from ever making the first time travel attempt. This would put John and the Resistance in the unenviable position of actually having to protect the first Skynet attempt from the schemes of the future Skynet, all while John has to keep the secret of why the first Skynet time travel event has to happen from everyone else.
See I'm looking at it from this angle. Skynet discovers that Kyle is John's father, and that it was it's initial time travel event that resulted in Kyle being sent back in time and John being born. Therefore, Skynet realizes that to eleminate John all it has to do is send some agents back and stop itself from ever making the first time travel attempt. This would put John and the Resistance in the unenviable position of actually having to protect the first Skynet attempt from the schemes of the future Skynet, all while John has to keep the secret of why the first Skynet time travel event has to happen from everyone else.
What if that first time travel event led to the creation of the T-1000?
In the primary timeline Skynet took years longer to develop it found a way to speed up this process by developing a time machine to send an operative back in time however it had to be tested and the first time someone was sent back so was the original terminator perhaps even a group accompanying a squad who were then killed to insure Skynet's victory however one escaped and passed on what was going on before being killed leading to the first John Connor but this time round Skynet was built faster and more advanced but it also sent an operative back to make sure of its victory this time to eliminate its new nemesis unaware it had created him in the first place.
This time however the attempt is thwarted or at least postponed but it can still send operatives back in time exactly why John Connor is allowing this even though he apparently knows each time he does so can Skynet unless this has snowballed...
Still its a great start to a second season though!
A rather lacklustre season premiere. I though it'd be a good season when Cameron went bad, but then she got all better suddenly for no reason.
And you guys knock off that time travel paradox stuff or you'll end up trapped in an infinite recursion loop.
What if that first time travel event led to the creation of the T-1000?
According to the novelization of Terminator 2, the time travel timeline of the first two movies went like this. Conner and Techcom defeated skynet. To try and win skynet sent back the first terminator, conner sent back reese to defend his mother and be born, then the T-1000 crept through the human lines to the time machine, and went back shortly after reese went back. Based on that, Conner reprogramed the T-800 and sent it back to defend himself from the T-1000. From there I am not really sure how the terminator continuity continues (completely muttled by T-3). I am really looking forward to Terminator Salvation. I think the producers of the TV show are actually the producers of the movie so there is some continutiy there between the two (especially since one of the quotes from the preview was something like "The war came, but it was not the war my mother prepared me for.")
Still its a great start to a second season though!
I completely agree. I am really enjoying the show, and I think it is awesome with the addition of the T-1000 as the big baddie.
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The new season is great as is the show.
I was wondering whether there will ever come a time in the series or movies where the past gets left behind. Skynet blows it all up, and the series or movies move on to the future battles with the terminators. Those would be a very intriguing and fun sci-fi series to watch too imo. A survivalist series.