
gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC , Marathon Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 7 |

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm having a lot of trouble with some of the entries.
I feel like I have to scroll through 2/3 of the stat blocks and junk before I come to a description of what the heck a thing is.
For example, the antler guy: I'm reading about the power of his antlers or something before I even know he has them. So I'm like "Okay, he's a humanoid. And ah! He must have antlers because here's an ability that uses them."
I really could have used the little italic block early on, MM5 style, so that I get the little descriptive flavor text before being overwhelmed with stat block detail.
Time to go root in the rules and look at the sample stat blocks. If that's an artifact of the rules ... man, that's a poor layout. I hope it's not the trend of the future.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm having a lot of trouble with some of the entries.
I feel like I have to scroll through 2/3 of the stat blocks and junk before I come to a description of what the heck a thing is.
For example, the antler guy: I'm reading about the power of his antlers or something before I even know he has them. So I'm like "Okay, he's a humanoid. And ah! He must have antlers because here's an ability that uses them."
I really could have used the little italic block early on, MM5 style, so that I get the little descriptive flavor text before being overwhelmed with stat block detail.
Time to go root in the rules and look at the sample stat blocks. If that's an artifact of the rules ... man, that's a poor layout. I hope it's not the trend of the future.
Yup. The rules said:
Intro block first
Then monster 1 stat block
Then monster 1 description
Then monster 2 stat block
Then monster 2 description
Then monster 3 stat block
Then monster 3 description
What makes it seem off from the MM style is that the tactics/special ability description in the MM comes in the middle of the descriptive block. In the contest instructions it is part of the stat block and so comes ahead of all the descriptive stuff.
Hmf... "antler guy"! sigh

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Yup. The rules said:Intro block first
Then monster 1 stat block
Then monster 1 descriptionThen monster 2 stat block
Then monster 2 descriptionThen monster 3 stat block
Then monster 3 descriptionWhat makes it seem off from the MM style is that the tactics/special ability description in the MM comes in the middle of the descriptive block. In the contest instructions it is part of the stat block and so comes ahead of all the descriptive stuff.
Oi, don't I know it. I've had, like, thirty people tell me that they don't like my format.
"You should have changed the format!", they say.
And here I am, going "Yeah, but . . . if I had gotten Wayne Reynolds to draw a picture of them, you wouldn't need a format at all!"

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Jason Nelson 20 wrote:
Yup. The rules said:Intro block first
Then monster 1 stat block
Then monster 1 descriptionThen monster 2 stat block
Then monster 2 descriptionThen monster 3 stat block
Then monster 3 descriptionWhat makes it seem off from the MM style is that the tactics/special ability description in the MM comes in the middle of the descriptive block. In the contest instructions it is part of the stat block and so comes ahead of all the descriptive stuff.
Oi, don't I know it. I've had, like, thirty people tell me that they don't like my format.
"You should have changed the format!", they say.
And here I am, going "Yeah, but . . . if I had gotten Wayne Reynolds to draw a picture of them, you wouldn't need a format at all!"
Dude...
fist bump
Totally.

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That is my fault. I didnt intend for the format provided to mean a short description like in the real books couldnt go up front of the stat block.
I remembered some of the guidance in the country round, and decided a small tweak like putting the description in front would be fine. I do admit that the sample gave me pause, but ultimately I decided that reproducing the Pathfinder/Gamemastery standard should be safe.

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I believe that some posters got around the format issues by using spoiler tags to hide the stat. blocks. Perhaps I should give creedit for that when trying to allocate my third vote.
I was thinking about it and it's probably a fair point. Readability, however you want to judge it, is a valid critique you can make on an entry. People who come up with clever ways to make things more readable (I wish I were one of them) should probably get some kudos for that, if things are otherwise pretty even.

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I put a small description before each, and part of the stat block (13 special abilities!) in spoiler tags, and I still think it's hard to read. Another reason for this is the format and options of messageboard posts.
Take a look at the Pathfinder bestiaries. First, they're in 2 columns, which automatically makes it easier to read, as you have shorter lines. Posts on the boards, on the other hand, turn 1.5-2 lines from Word into one loooooong line.
Also in Pathfinder, there are more font options for headings, as well as indented lines (something I haven't figured out how to do on the boards) for all the information under one heading.
So I guess the point is that professional typesetting can really make a difference!

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That is my fault. I didnt intend for the format provided to mean a short description like in the real books couldnt go up front of the stat block.
Meh - you did a fine job.
It just goes to show that us Superstars are a superstitious and cowardly lot - presumably, we all would have worn chicken-hats while submitting if you had requested it.

gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC , Marathon Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 7 |

Hmf... "antler guy"! sigh
Heheheh. I have not made my second full reading through them all yet. But after reading one or two, I found myself doing the same thing:
1. Read unifying blurb (if any) until it made my eyes glaze over (if too long and convoluted).
2. Read monster name and ponder if I could possibly say it.
3. Scroll scroll scroll scroll "ah, there's the description."
4. (scroll all the way back) continue reading details.
5. Repeat 2-4 for each monster.
Anyways, I used that one as an example because that's the one that struck me the most, I was like "Antlers!? WHAT antlers? Where's the darn description of this thing??"
I was thinking about it and [the format issues are] probably a fair point. Readability, however you want to judge it, is a valid critique you can make on an entry. People who come up with clever ways to make things more readable (I wish I were one of them) should probably get some kudos for that, if things are otherwise pretty even.
Yeah, this is the first round that it's really gotten to me. It got to me a little bit in the country round, but the readability is really making some of the entries pretty opaque.
Clark Peterson wrote:That is my fault. I didnt intend for the format provided to mean a short description like in the real books couldnt go up front of the stat block.Meh - you did a fine job.
It just goes to show that us Superstars are a superstitious and cowardly lot - presumably, we all would have worn chicken-hats while submitting if you had requested it.
WHAT??? You guys don't have to wear chicken-hats? They told us we had to wear chicken-hats if we wanted to vote.
Tears off hat. Throws on ground. Stomps on it.

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Clark Peterson wrote:That is my fault. I didnt intend for the format provided to mean a short description like in the real books couldnt go up front of the stat block.Meh - you did a fine job.
It just goes to show that us Superstars are a superstitious and cowardly lot - presumably, we all would have worn chicken-hats while submitting if you had requested it.
Hey, I got a "check-plus" in following directions on my 2nd grade report card. It's okay if you throw something out there and lose, but you don't wanna go out like a punk, DQed on a technicality, so I think I've just been very conscious of trying to follow the format exactly. Maybe too much so. It wouldn't have been so hard to make spoiler tags for the stat blocks or to put the descriptions ahead.
IOW, sign me up for a chicken-hat!

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Clark Peterson wrote:That is my fault. I didnt intend for the format provided to mean a short description like in the real books couldnt go up front of the stat block.I remembered some of the guidance in the country round, and decided a small tweak like putting the description in front would be fine. I do admit that the sample gave me pause, but ultimately I decided that reproducing the Pathfinder/Gamemastery standard should be safe.
Good call.
The format works if there is a picture, but without that, the format knee-caps many of the entries.
Chalk it up to a lesson learned by the judges for next year.

Avianna |

Hm, this makes me want to go through and reorganize the stat blocks into spoilers so that I can read the descriptions first.
Its like showing the math problems written in number form and then giving the word problem. I'm confused in most cases on the board thus far. I kinda feel bad for some of the contestants because of that.

Alex Handley RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32 aka Aotrscommander |

I noted the problem (I belive I even commended Russ for putting his description first). It wouldn't be a problem if we had pictures of the monster first, but I did find it a bit more difficult they way it was laid out. I thought it was wierd how nearly everyone had done it that way, though it being in the rules formatting make sense.
Don't lose too much sleep about it Clark; it's not like you're on just as much a learning curve as everyone actually in the contest or anything, is it?