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I would like to see each Pathfinder AP wrapped up with a few cool items at the end of the series.
$5 - Slip cover
$5 - DM screen - Major NPC stat blocks, standard game mechanics, a 1-30 number scale on the right edge or top to put a paperclip (Maybe a RotRL clip) at the #30 to count down initiative, Stuff like that.
$ dunno price - Battle Maps/Flip Maps of important cool areas - Glassworks, Caverns, little goblin island (RotRL).
$ Dependant on the nature/number of handouts - Player hand outs from the AP - Player hand out#1 Letter detailing nasty things Tsuto (RotRL) wants to do to Sandpoint. (Erotic pages in Tsutos journal a plus :)
---Thats a freakin good idea, if you dont make Tsutos journal, I am going to. How cool would it be as a player to get handed a book with a few maps with plans to attack stuff, personal notes, and some artsy stuff.
I personally would like to see them available seperatly, and bundled at a minor discount.
This is probably buried in the archives...*rummages*
Ah! Here's a old thread with some "new" artwork, including some for Tsuto's journal.
$5 for a slip cover sounds expensive, unless it's one hell of a slip cover. I think something like this works best in a bundle with other stuff. Maybe even a free PDF make-your-own kit to use with cardboard.
%5 for a screen, on the other hand, sounds quite cheap, and I doubt that they could pull it off. I'd gladly pay twice that. I don't know whether we need an init slider on it, though. (Take a look at the CombatPad for stuff like that).
I would like something along the lines of the World of Darkness screens in regard to material used. Those things are solid.
The handouts, on the other hand, should be a free bonus (even if it's just a free bonus PDF) IMO.
Still, plenty of potential there.
I think I'll mock up a slipcover and DM screen this evening. I think they'd look cool.
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I would like something along the lines of the World of Darkness screens in regard to material used. Those things are solid.
Amen to that. I'd love to see Pathfinder DM screens produced to this standard. I would gladly pay $10-15 for them. They're that good.
Even a single Pathfinder Chronicles DM screen would be awesome. I think that making a new one for each AP might be a little overkill.
Slip cover, yes.
DM screen, yes but even a generic Official Pathfinder screen will do.
Battle mats, unlikely because those are complex things to get right because I don't like to put a map of a building on the table where players can see areas they have not visited.
Hand out, no. Why? Because we game in Spanish and one my players has very low English proficiency.
I second the slip-cover request. Or fourty-second. Or whatever. :)
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$5 for the slip cover I would expect something heavy stock, like the covers the DMG,PHB,MM set had.
$5 for the DM screen is close to what they sell the 3.5 screen for, but there would likely be les interest in a AP specific one, so I would pay 8-10 for a good quality screen.
Battlemaps - The artwork is already done, there in the book. Just blow it up and print.
The handouts, I can see paper hand outs, but prolly not a leatherbound journal.
Lilith has a few Nualia pics that the dedicated DM can start with. I can type in a writing script, but the artwork was goin to be the hard part. I still want to put Tsutos journal together to keep with my 6 APs and the RotRL Item Cards.
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Battlemaps - The artwork is already done, there in the book. Just blow it up and print.It doesn't work that way, unfortunately. The maps are made to be seen at the size we print them. In order to make them look right at the mini-scale size would require us to commission all new maps.
Yup. Blowing them up to the scale where they'd work as battlemaps would result in very pixleated maps.
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Yup. Blowing them up to the scale where they'd work as battlemaps would result in very pixleated maps.Battlemaps - The artwork is already done, there in the book. Just blow it up and print.It doesn't work that way, unfortunately. The maps are made to be seen at the size we print them. In order to make them look right at the mini-scale size would require us to commission all new maps.
I speak from experience and yes, they do result in very pixelated maps.
And getting them printed to size is expensive unless you do it yourself by breaking the image up into single sheet images, printing and taping it all together (I did this with the smuggler's caves in STAP and it ended being 25ish sheets, I believe.).I would love a DM screen of high quality, dry erasable and with a small blank area to jot down session specific items, like certain DCs or effects that are ongoing.
Ok, I'll bite... what's a slip cover?
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Yup. Blowing them up to the scale where they'd work as battlemaps would result in very pixleated maps.Battlemaps - The artwork is already done, there in the book. Just blow it up and print.It doesn't work that way, unfortunately. The maps are made to be seen at the size we print them. In order to make them look right at the mini-scale size would require us to commission all new maps.
I have done this for chapter three. You are so right but they are working for this experiment. I would love battle maps of the main areas of Pathfinder.
Slipcover: I am expecting something like this for the Pathfinder books. I know there was a discussion about doing something like this in the past. (Should be bundled with the first or the last Magazine, would pay up to $3 extra for that magazine though.)
DM Screen: I would like to see a generic one for Pathfinder (Chronicles)/Golarion. But one for each AP, I don't know if I'd like that, seems a little overkill. ($5 to $12 for -one- not for multiple.)
Flipmats: I have been on the fence with the whole Flipmats with actual maps pre-printed on them. I love the quality of the Flipmats and already own the GameMastery Flipmat I purchased it back when Steel Squire was making these products. As for doing it as a Map Pack I might bite that, again I have been on the fence with the Map Packs because you can't write on it (unless I am mistaken,) plus using them would put my current battle mat out of service. (On the fence not due to price just due to functionality.)
I was thinking about posing this idea but never got around to it. Perhaps a color lamination like the ones your teachers used with the over head projector in school. Not only could you write on it, but you could have them in sections so you could easily reveal only parts at a time. You could use them as an overlay on current battle mats, and they are complete maps ready to use and quick to throw out. (I know I would about $15 for something like that.)
Player handouts: Neat idea I think this should have already been done however, the same way Paizo did it with Dungeon Magazine. I know this was mentioned in the past, what will happen is up to Paizo. (Would love to see this, would even be willing to toss in an extra dollar or two per Magazine to see it done.)
I've created a mock-up (as promised, if late) of what I think a RotRL Slipcase might look like. Images at Link
What do people think?
I've created a mock-up (as promised, if late) of what I think a RotRL Slipcase might look like. Images at Link
What do people think?
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I decided not to place text on the 'spine' because I thought Kurzoug looked cool and I imagine the slipcase being put on the shelf with the open end out, so that that Pathfinders contained within remain accessible.
In any case, this is just a mock up. When/if Paizo makes their own (please when), their designers will go over it. This is just a quickie done in Photoshop and Google SketchUp.
Only one image showed up. But I like it, I agree no need for writing on the spine.
You are a clever man Mr Byers. (Mind you it is easy to impress someone with my lack of computer skill)
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I've created a mock-up (as promised, if late) of what I think a RotRL Slipcase might look like. Images at Link
What do people think?
Wow - I am impressed... It looks great.
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I decided not to place text on the 'spine' because I thought Kurzoug looked cool and I imagine the slipcase being put on the shelf with the open end out, so that that Pathfinders contained within remain accessible.
Then what's the point of a slip case if the books are face out ON a bookshelf? :P
One doesn't need a slip case if they want accessibility on a bookshelf and since the first AP spine is different from the future APs, I'd prefer some uniformity when they're not to eachother.
Only one image showed up. But I like it, I agree no need for writing on the spine.
Links should be fixed.
Wow - I am impressed... It looks great.
Thanks.
Then what's the point of a slip case if the books are face out ON a bookshelf? :P
Well, for instance, it allows a thin book like Pathfinder to actually stand upright. It allows you to easily keep and move a set together. It protects against damage from being crammed onto and removed from a packed shelf. It makes it easier to organize once you have a decent sized collection.
That said, I understand what you are saying. But this is the way I would do it if I were in charge of making them, because that's what I would want. Fortunately for you, I am not in charge.
Oh, and before anyone tries to ruin their eyes to read the text on the back, it's just the back of Burnt Offering with the Sidhedron rune under it.
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Battlemaps - The artwork is already done, there in the book. Just blow it up and print.It doesn't work that way, unfortunately. The maps are made to be seen at the size we print them. In order to make them look right at the mini-scale size would require us to commission all new maps.
Then maybe the other way around, make high quality pics for battlemats and scale them down for the books.
Mostly its a "want" thing. The Need thing is the slip cover and a Pathfinder realm DM screen.
Battlemaps - The artwork is already done, there in the book. Just blow it up and print.It doesn't work that way, unfortunately. The maps are made to be seen at the size we print them. In order to make them look right at the mini-scale size would require us to commission all new maps.Then maybe the other way around, make high quality pics for battlemats and scale them down for the books.
Mostly its a "want" thing. The Need thing is the slip cover and a Pathfinder realm DM screen.
Two comments:
First, maps scale up rather well. I blew up the AoW maps to mini size and they looked fine.
Second, isn't this one of the things hte Map Folio is for?
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I definitely want a slipcase for each of the APs and a Pathfinder/Golarion DM Screen would rock. I would much prefer a flip-map or map pack, but I can understand that those are probably a bit too specific to be economical. Perhaps a pdf of miniature-scale battle mats as a sort of web enhancement or download purchase would be cool though. I don't mind taking it to Office Depot for printing.
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I've created a mock-up (as promised, if late) of what I think a RotRL Slipcase might look like. Images at Link
What do people think?
That's pretty good. I especially like the mock up DM Screen in the background. Saving that one to spring on us later are we ;)
That's pretty good. I especially like the mock up DM Screen in the background. Saving that one to spring on us later are we ;)
I haven't figured out how to draw it yet: All I have standing there right now is a 11 x 34 (i.e. 4 sheets of paper) blank screen. On the inside, I know I'm just going to find some placeholder charts and stat blocks. On the outside, I don't know yet. When I think of it, I'll draw it and post it.
If there were only 4 adventures, I'd do covers. Or 3, since many DM screens are 3 panel. There are four iconics, but they don't fill a whole page. I'd need a backdrop.
As a personal preference, I think that any DM screens should be made up of three horizontal panels. Most DM screens are too tall--it disconnects me from the players.
As a personal preference, I think that any DM screens should be made up of three horizontal panels. Most DM screens are too tall--it disconnects me from the players.
If I get inspiration, I'll see what I can do about laying out a 8.5 by 33 screen for you.
As a personal preference, I think that any DM screens should be made up of three horizontal panels.
I agree. I like how I don't have to stand up each time I want to talk to the players (and with "talking", I mean "looking at them", not just mumbling something from behind my paper Iron Curtain.
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Now days I use a folding table on the side where I have my screen my ominiatures, roll my dice, my combat pad, etc.
I also have my adventure in a notebook on my lap so I am basically looking at my players unobstructed the whole time and I turn to my side table to do different functions like figure out who is next in the order and marking down how many hit points my NPCs have left or something on that order.
It does not matter to me how tall the screen is because I am not behind it anymore. Life is good.
I would love for you guys to partner up with Fat Dragon Games to do their 3D dungeon stuff for important encounter areas, the town of Sandpoint, etc...
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I decided not to place text on the 'spine' because I thought Kurzoug looked cool and I imagine the slipcase being put on the shelf with the open end out, so that that Pathfinders contained within remain accessible.
You could put the giant "I" at the bottom of the spine, and a text box beneath with the AP name in normal-sized text. That way at least the spine image would still stand out.
Edit: great job, btw!
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I've created a mock-up (as promised, if late) of what I think a RotRL Slipcase might look like. Images at Link
What do people think?
Well, that didn't take long to overload the bandwidth limit on my old free geocities account.
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very nice :)
I've created a mock-up (as promised, if late) of what I think a RotRL Slipcase might look like. Images at Link
What do people think?
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Pretty cool!
This has nothing to do with Ross' excellent mock-up, but I'm pretty ambivalant on slip-cases. My books look used when I'm done with a chapter. I think that's a compliment of a different sort.
Yup. Blowing them up to the scale where they'd work as battlemaps would result in very pixleated maps.I speak from experience and yes, they do result in very pixelated maps.
And getting them printed to size is expensive unless you do it yourself by breaking the image up into single sheet images, printing and taping it all together (I did this with the smuggler's caves in STAP and it ended being 25ish sheets, I believe.).
It can be done though.
I'm blessed to have a buddy who works for an Ad Agency. He uses some fractal doo-dads to keep the resolution, and plots them in color for me (for which I bribe him).
This is mostly an adacemic observation though, as not everybody has access to those sorts of resources.
Frankly, having done the 'do-it-yourself' battlemat thing with some software (Dundjinni) particularly, I don't find that there's any software that is easy, quick, comprehensive, or inexpensive.
(Though you might find a few of those traits in any given one)
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Sigh. Slipcases again.
Yes, we love the concept ourselves. Unfortunately, they have two big problems. First, they cost a lot more to make than everyone thinks. We've looked, and we can't find anything decent that we could even sell for $10, much less $5 or $3. We're still looking, but our hopes are not high.
Second, shipping is not going to be pleasant. We can't fit them into an envelope, and they don't qualify for bound printed matter rates, so they'd cost a fair bit more than a Pathfinder does to ship. (Even if we included them with a volume of Pathfinder to minimize the *number* of shipments, that package would still cost a lot more than the volume of Pathfinder alone.)
At any rate, we know you want 'em, and we want to give 'em to you, but when the perceived value of a product is $3–5 (as you can see from some of the posters above), and we can't currently figure out how to ship one to you for less than triple that price, it just doesn't seem very likely.
Slip cover, required printer/black and white for label.
There is another office document "holder" that would allow you to insert documents in them. They're made of hard plastic on the sides, but I can't seem to find them.