Well, I am sorry, but at this point I have to cancel my subscriptions. It really has gotten to the point where I cannot justify the cost anymore. The collector in me wants to collect it all. It is why I signed up from the start. But if I can't have the complete set, I don't really want any of it. I am extremely sorry to have to make this decission, especially since I have had so much fun reading through all of it, but tagging on more and more to the pathfinder world has gotten to be too much at this point. So please cancel my order and my subscriptions before it goes out, and thank you for the teriffic first adventure path. :(
Hi, I have a few questions about this order. First, why isn't the Pathfinder Advantage applied? The email is worded so that it seems that all this will ship after the tenth (and if not, can you hold it a few days so the Pathfinder Advantage does apply?) Second, the order total is $71.19. What the heck [stronger expletive removed]? I cannot pass this by the wife! When I signed up for the chronicles I was lead to believe that we would have an extra book or game item every other month or so, like six extra items a year. Now I am getting three all at once? Will this continue? I really do not want more than two products a month ever, no more than a $35 charge. I also want everything pathfinder, no gaps (with the possible exception of the item cards (but including the harrow deck!)). If pathfinder is going to be more than that I will (have to) cancel out, which I wouldn't like because I really love the products. I expressed my concerns before about Paizo going the "TSR way" with this, which I would consider a big mistake...
Terry Dyer wrote: I was answered with an inquiry that I had posted and was told they have two patents they are trying to finish before going at it again. Though he said it would be late in the New Year or even later but he was hoping to get them up and going again. Very cool, I so hope that that will take off sooner rather than later, as I think those are the best D&D accesory I have seen yet. Paizo, you guys should really make another attempt at getting in touch and getting this going! 2nd hand sets fetch in the $150s now on ebay, if they are available at all.
Hi Cosmo, I noticed you have not changed me over to USPS ground shipping yet, and when I went to try to change it myself, there was no option that I could select? I mean, I can select shipping methods, just not USPS Ground. Also, I know that I ahve not made changes to my account since adding the Chronicles subscription, and since the order after that (which included item cards) says it did arrive USPS Package Service something really weird is going on here... Can you please look into this? Thanks again!
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What happened to my $4 shipping? Is the $7.17 right? Last month, when I got item cards too, all in a huge box, it was even less than $7.17. Can someone please check what happened (& correct)? thanx!
Frank Reding wrote: [...] But I wish there were a way for people like me, who keep their local gaming store alive, to get a PDF version of Pathfinder too, without having to shell out twice [...] Funny, I have been on here half a dozen times to start a threat about the exact same damn thing. Hear, hear! SirUrza wrote: You guys are missing the point. The PDF is free to subscribers because WE do business with Paizo, not the FLGS. If you choose to go the FLGS, that's your choice. The PDF free is their way of competing with the FLGS instead of offering discounts on the price of books. No, you are missing the point. My FLGS is where I play D&D every tuesday. They keep the hobby alive. By selling directly to the public Paizo undercuts their retailer base, who are the same people that introduced many of us to the hobby. There is a mutual dependency between retailers and producers. The problem is: between Borders running 30% discount coupons all the time and selling every WOTC product I ever need, and Paizo offering PDF's for free, how can my FLGS compete? Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Here's the cost effective and practical way for you: 1. Instead of ordering Pathfinder through my FLGS I will still order and subscribe from Paizo.2. I will get an email: "your copy is on its way to your FLGS, here's your PDF". 3. My hard copy will be shipped to my FLGS at the appropriate time, quite possibly automatically bundled with their two weekly order from their supplier. 4. I will go to my FLGS to pick it up. 5. Financially: I pay Paizo, Paizo pays FLGS. I am quite alright with being charged retail, but no shipping, instead of getting a subscriber discount + shipping, as that evens out. That way Paizo gets all the advantages of subscribing and volume control, and my FLGS gets a piece of the action for being the retailer servicing me and providing the "after market support" I rely on as a consumer. Now, here's the real kicker, and why Paizo should do this:
So Paizo, help me do the right thing (support my FLGS) and implement this! Oh, whoever made the remark about this being a bad year: you are so right! If Paizo implemets this quick, they might find themselves earning some brand loyalty real easy, 'cause there's not much love for WOTC right now with these guys...
Erik Mona wrote:
I hope it has the larger font. While I support the decision not to change the look during an adventure path I do get really tired of those small little scribbles and I don't think I can do much more of it.
Brent wrote: I was wondering if there is a wallpaper for Seelah? I have one for all the other pathfinder iconics as well as Karzoug, but I couldn't find one for Seelah. Anyone who can either point me in the right direction or let me know if/when there will be a wallpaper for Seelah is much appreciated. She's not on a cover for the Rise of the Runelords adventure path, so this is all there is for now: http://paizo.com/image/content/RiseOfTheRunelords/Pathfinder7_Paladin.jpg
Robert Miller 55 wrote: I would love for you guys to partner up with Fat Dragon Games to do their 3D dungeon stuff for important encounter areas, the town of Sandpoint, etc... I just checked out fat dragon games, and I would really like Pathfinder Cardboard 3D stuff like that. The town of sandpoint would be fantastic. I would also like to see simple little cardboard standups for mini's that we can use. Can you imagine having a stockpile of goblins like that. Cool!
Sebastian wrote:
I'm OK with them saying they offered D&D since 1974, although I think that's as much of a stretch as Mitt Romney seeing his father march with MLK, but saying they are the only company that offers both Dungeons & Dragons is justplain not true and ridiculous. Paizo offered Dungeons (I bought one every month for years) and Dragons (Bought oneor two of these at some point too). Heck, even my local game store offers Dungeons & Dragons, every tuesday night. These companies are not and never were owned by WOTC, and while WOTC might've licensed Paizo, they certainly haven't licensed my local game store. WOTC marketing department is a bunch of idiots for printing this add. False advertising is what it is, and someone should call them on it.
Alright, back to the original topic: "Deluxe Pathfinder Subscription" Pathfinder Chronicles Subscription Excellent!
A while back I subscribed to this "Games for Windows" magazine. They had a cheap deal on it. So when I was reading my current copy I saw this add by WOTC: "SOME COMPANIES
The words "Only" and "Both" are underlined. hmmm....
I would get very excited about minis made like WizKids makes their Pirates and Star Wars miniatures games, or maybe even cardboard standups with plastic stands. That way you can make a lot of different ones with full color artwork that look good and work well in gameplay. I'd be all over something like that. Unpainted miniatures, on the other hand, haven't gotten my interest in long while, although I might just pick up the iconics, as I can justify the time and effort involved in painting (or quite possibly the cost in having someone do it for me) for PCs more than I can for monsters. Whatever you do, please don't make it "collectable"/random blind packaging! I will not get sucked into another money drain like that.
Lisa Stevens wrote:
I can make a guess at at least a few of those reasons, they're probably pretty close to why we don't let people on our team tele-commute, lol. Anyways, I just noticed it took you, CEO of Paizo, 11 minutes to reply to my reply. Now that is just insane. (for reference, it took Tomtom (the GPS guys) customer support three days to answer a technical question of mine the other day, and I thought that was alright)
Lisa Stevens wrote: [...] his wife wouldn't let them move to Seattle), we still don't have someone to help Gary. You wouldn't want to apply Robert, would you? Would I? Of course I would! Working for Paizo would be sooooo cool (insert valley girl accent)! Unfortunately, my wife also doesn't want me to move to Seatle. I emigrated from Holland five years ago, and then we still lived apart over here until about year and a half ago 'cause for a while I couldn't find a job anywhere close and I ended up renting an apartment in CT and later in VT and commuting home (home is NH) on the weekends, so now that she finally has me home she tends to be protective about that. How about tele-commuting? :)
Meanwhile, I tend to agree with that guy before me, the one that suggested to just offer the option:
That totally so would work for me. :) RobertDD
SirUrza wrote: Just be patient guys, I'm sure they'll have the combined subscription option ready for chronicles before the first chronicles book comes out. I really don't get this type of reply. They don't add anything to the discussion and distract from getting real answers. So please don't post unless you have some real knowledge to share, or just want to express an opinion, came up with a funny joke that is halfway relevant, or have something to add at all. So Anyway, I've been checking here daily for a while now to see if there is more info on the "deluxe pathfinder subscription". There hasn't been (I think, sometimes I miss these things). So, an update (any update, like: "check back in another two weeks 'cause we are running a little behind") from someone at Paizo (not SirUrza) would be appreciated. And I also appologize for sounding grumpier than I really am ('cause I really am not, really). And SirUrza is a good guy, just a little over-protective of the Paizo staff. :)
Blackscorp wrote:
I'm not entirely sure if there's a question there, but going out on a limb: I spend 24 hours a day meeting and exceeding deadlines (I especially often exceed the deadline that I set my alarm clock for...) RobertDD
Blayde MacRonan wrote: give them time. they are busy doing other things than just posting information. they have a business to run as well. They're a good lot, they are. :) I just bumped my original post, but I don't really like just typing "Bump". Oh, BTW:
So I really don't get the "they have a business to run as well" comment. grrtigger wrote: And writing (and testing, and debugging) code never, ever goes as well, or as quickly, as you wish it would, no matter how hard you wish. Depends on the achievability of the wish and the quality of the programmer.... Robert DD
Erik Mona wrote: I suggest waiting a bit. We plan to have things up and running in the next two weeks at the latest, and should still give you enough time to get the extra stuff before the first one ships out. Written on the 12th. 12 + 14 = 26. Today = 28. At the lastest = We should know something by now. Did I miss it?
Lisa Stevens wrote:
Wow, that would be incredible! I have been looking for tact-tiles or an alternative for quite a while, but have come up empty. I only learned about tact-tiles when they had already closed down production. I would love to own a set. I will keep on the look out. As to queries going unreturned, not too long ago, I, too, emailed Tom Belcher of BC-Products. While the answer I got was not what I was hoping for (I was hoping for: "yeah, we have a few 12-packs laying around that I'll let you have at half price", lol) he was fast and responsive in his emails back to me. Strange and unfortunate that you have a different experience...
I while back there was talk about having an all-inclusive pathfinder subscription, a deluxe edition if you want, that includes Chronicles, Map Folios and all other Pathfinder materials. Has a decision been made yet as to wether or not such a subscription will be launched (and what exactly it will include)? Also, there was talk about having an option to delay shipping of an order from Paizo until the next edition of your Pathfinder subscription to combine and save on shipping. Is that in place yet?
DarkArt wrote:
Dude, that must be the single weirdest reply I've ever gotten to a post anywhere. But seriously: what happened to that download? I'd like to have the good version....
First: I am not a big proponent of 4E. It sounds like one big computer game to me, and while I love computer games I feel there’s already more than enough product out there to fulfill that need. D&D is pen, paper and a table full of friends, snacks and drinks, and if it becomes anything else I’m not interested. Second: it seems WOTC is not concerned with keeping the current customer base; they are aiming at a new generation of gamers. So, if Paizo would aim for the current customer base they would not go head to head with WOTC, they would both serve different market segments. Third: publishing 3.Paizo is by no means an exclusive decision. With rulebooks outselling adventures 10 to 1 the break-even point of a Pathfinder PHB could be a fairly easy mark. Later on, when things stabilize in 4E, Paizo could upgrade, or, when things do not work out in 4E, Paizo would be uniquely positioned to sweep up the pieces. Win/win!
Ah, I forgot about that free pdf download. That would take care of that particular example, of course. Now, if you are like me, you would still need the hardcopy, but I was trying to give an example more than I was trying to point out a giant and accute issue ('cause it isn't). tbug wrote:
Here's some others: 5. Offering it for free (hey, didn't they do that?)6. Offering it for a ridiculously low price so noone can afford not to get it (hey, don't they do that?) 7. Adding it to the subscription, since everybody needs and want it anyways and it's ridiculously cheap to begin with (hey, why don't they do that?) I favor 7! By the way, I do not favor links to anything but home pages (www.paizo.com) in printed form, as links tend to go dead... James Jacobs wrote:
I am a big fan of reprinting like that, but I understand that can get out of hand. Again, my preference is that someone (Paizo) sets the expectation up front ("GameMastery material will NOT EVER be referenced in Pathfinder, but Pathfinder Chronicles, Pathfinder Player's guides and other Pathfinders might") and that Paizo offers a subscription that matches that expectation.
I just stumbled upon this, which added some fuel to my proverbial fire... In Pathfinder #1 on Page 63, Paizo wrote: More information about the six gods and goddesses of Sandpoint can be found in the Rise of the Runelords Player’s Guide. This is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about in my original post. Such a reference infers a need to have access to that resource, and this is a resource not included with the subscription. Am I correct in assuming that a similar reference will never be made to a GameMastery product but might be made to a Pathfinder Chronicle? On a side note: I noted that "Tome of Horrors" and "The Book of Fiends" are also referenced, but it seems that in those cases the relevant referenced content has been reprinted in Pathfinder. That is totally fine as far as I'm concerned.
I just went over to downloads (for an entirely different reason) and I saw there were two downloads ready for me, one of Pathfinder one in pieces, and one as a single big bookmarked file. WOW! Great way to show Paizo listens, guys! The only real issue is that the bookmarks for the Bestiary section seem to be a bit of a mess, but otherwise it is PERFECT!
Vic Wertz wrote:
That is great, can't wait! Vic Wertz wrote:
Hmm, I'd like to submit that the "super" pathfinder subscription would still be a Pathfinder subscription. Maybe, instead of giving us a straight discount of the coverprice of the Chronicles we get an extra discount (say 40% instead of 30%) of the coverprice of Pathfinder if we subscribe to the "super" pathfinder subscription. It would be like being gold members, lol. Just putting a thought in your head....
Vic Wertz wrote: We have yet to figure out how to implement this. Obviously, you can subscribe to Pathfinder, and you can subscribe to Modules... coming up with a subscription to Pathfinder Chronicles would be fairly easy... but what about stuff like Item Cards, Map Packs, Flip-Mats and such? How about T-shirts? Alternate covers? Should those be included? Until that sort of thing gets solved, we can't really say what it might cost. I see, that is tough. While I can only speak for myself, I would say: Pathfinder: Yes
Item Cards: No
But when I am going over my list like this I am realizing that maybe the subscription should be more "piecemeal" than I anticipated previously. I guess it would be interesting to see if my preference is what others want, or if I am way different than everyone else, or if everyone wants something different. By the way, I very much like Urza's idea of giving a generic option to add an order to the next shipment of your subscription to combine shipping (that would definately make me want to order some of those really nifty spell template wire thingies I've been eying) but I do not know if that will become a logistical nightmare for Paizo. And I also want to get rewarded for having a subscription by getting a percentage of the cover price of my Pathfinder articles.
Vic Wertz wrote:
Alright, I get it. I don't need to buy the GameMastery modules, but if I'd skip the Pathfinder Chronicles (or anything else with the Pathfinder name in it) I'd be missing out big time. So my original question remains (kind of): what will it take, anually, dollar-wise, to experience the full pathfinder experience... (see, I worded it different so we don't get into more discussions about need) (and I do realize that that question now is pretty much the same as: "what will the cost of the big, all inclusive pathfinder subscription be" so if I have to wait for you guys to figure that one out that's fine too.)
I'd be excited to see a big subscription as well. Am I correct in stating that that would entail 2 player's guides (please DO include the player's guides), 4 or 5 Chronicles and 12 pathfinders a year, plus combined shipping and % of the cover prices of all with a subscription? While that would be a bit of an additional investment I would be very happy with a structure like that. More would be pushing it. A quick comment about need:
I'm glad to hear that the products will be stand alone and will not rely upon cross platform information. As for getting great value for whatever I decide to buy, I am not arguing that at all. I think Pathfinder is terific value and I really have not been this excited about something D&D for quite some time, but a Dungeon and a Dragon all rolled into one and every topic interrelated and fully usable and applicable is just great. Still, the completist in me is not too happy with all the modules I will be unable to purchase. Also, you guys make a great argument about the Game Mastery modules, but what about the monthly edition of pathfinder chronicles? That seems important background that is indispensable. In fact, others have already discussed the option of one big all inclusive pathfinder subscription... I imagine a chronicle and a pathfinder issue together gts you over the thirty bucks a month, and that's a lot...
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