The title says it all. Love it. My first passion. I want to be just like Phantom Girl.
The title says it all. Love it. My first passion. I want to be just like Phantom Girl.
Is her super power the ability to make her clothes disappear? *grin*
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Are you talking about the comics or the cartoon?
I enjoy both. The show is on my DVR. (along with The Batman and Chaotic)
I'm not sure about Clone Superman, but I'll take it for what its worth. My favorite character is Chameleon Boy, but the TV show version of him is 'too cute', the comic version is much cooler.
Oh boy, Legion fans....
I enjoy the current stories the best in the comics, art wise, nothing beats Mike Grell from the mid 1975-1977 (approximate). Costumes may look outdated by today's standards, but I think they rocked.
I like the personality of Lightning Lad in the cartoon version because he's so competitive. I think the comic version could use a little splash to it. He's got a great power though, and I really like the relations worked into the character (his sister Allya and brother Mekt). The cartoon version has picked up on this as well.
Phantom Girl's clothes off....Haven't seen that one yet. I thought she was so awesome (going back to the way Mike Grell drew her in the 70's). I love her power, her hair, personality, current costume (uniform) is ok, hated the cape version. Although I do have a great swimsuit picture of her with ponytails and sunglasses. Totally Awesome. Usually is my desktop picture.
I was really excited when I found the cartoon version. I thought it would be like teen titans (which I don't care for) but they kinda went in between serious and silly (this season seems a lot more serious), which I prefer over the silly. Now I just want to see a great real action movie) not animated). I'm sure I'd be hoping for to much and most likely be disapointed but still.....most of the other superhero movies in the past 7 years or so have been pretty good.
Chameleon Boy in the comics is far better, though again I prefer the 70's art and how he was drawn then.
So who are your favorite Legionnaires and why? How about favorite stories. I really was impressed with the Death of Ferro Lad in the cartoon version. He was short lived but always one of my favorites. Love supergirl in the new comics, very funny, like the little girl personality.
I am currently (slowly) trying to bring my first passion of Legion and bring it together with my second passion, RPGs. The result being a Legion of Super Heroes role playing game. Everything is in the beginning stages. I'm doing my best to make it original in regards of rules and how it is played. So far the biggest challenge has been coming up with the combat system to accomidate the various entities in the universe. There is such a range of power between characters. Trying to get someone like superboy and star boy to work together in the same system hasn't been easy.
One thing I'm trying for is to bring together is the "team" idea into the game, and not so much of picking or creating a single hero to play. Some of the rules place a large emphasis on working together as a team from both the character and player point of view. My experience with superhero RPG is pretty limited. I'm trying to start of easy and add detail to the rules when I start seeing holes in the system. Shhoting for a fast play type of game. The RPG and plotlines seen limitless considering how they write comics these days.
Anytime anyone feels like chatting about Legion, I'll be here. Thanks for the responses. Hope more will come!
Holy crap, Legion of Super Heroes fans. I thought I was the only one(is there an echo in here? I seem to say that all the time). I got into it in the 90's with the Legionnaires run and was hooked from that moment forward. I read the older stuff, the newer stuff, to me, it's all good, although the constant reboots get grating after a while. I still want to see a GL in the Legion (Rond Vidar, although a good idea, doesn't count), so I can see both of my favorite rings on one character!
I am currently (slowly) trying to bring my first passion of Legion and bring it together with my second passion, RPGs. The result being a Legion of Super Heroes role playing game. Everything is in the beginning stages. I'm doing my best to make it...
If I remember correctly, Green Ronin is going to publish a "Future Era" sourcebook for their Mutants and Masterminds game, which covers Legion style super hero teams.
I remember reading my friend's brother's old early 80s era Legion comics. Between the Legion and Batman, I was turned away from my Marvel fandom toward DC. I must admit that I tend to favor the League over the Legion though.
My daughters and I almost never miss an episode of Legion since its come on, and they are 12 and 16. My 16 year old talks about the goings on the way her classmates talk about some of the "teen drama" shows, especially when it comes to Bouncing Boy and Duo Damsel.
Hmm, hottest Legionare? Dawnstar, definately.
Dawnstar is a fetching lass, although for some reason I always liked Dream Girl . . . and I usually don't go for blonds.
Hmmm....you guys named some hotties for sure, but I still want to be phantom girl. When they first drew Dream Girl they actually had her in high heels back in the 60's. She was deifinetly suppose to be the bombshell for sure. Dawnstar had a unique look as well.
I'll have to check out the Green Ronin material. Thanks for the tip. The only superhero game I have is marvel. I'm looking for some good suggestions on how to deal with the combat/power rules. Anybody have any ideas they would like to share either of their own or from another game they are familiar with. I'm always looking for ideas.
I started reading them when I was a kid, and kinda got out of it after high school. Never forgot about it though. I missed all the reboot stuff so when you folks post about what happened in the late 80's and 90's please take into consideration that I may have missed what your talking about.
Has anyone picked up the 12 legion archive books (hardcover) that they put out in the 90's? They cover the first year all the way into about 1975. They are also printing some graphic novels now. They recap what teh comics are covering as of late.
Well, I am not much of a DC fanboy; but I have always liked Brainiac in the LSH; can I be him?
Valegrim, you can be Brainiac 5 if you'd like, but keep in mind that in the current serious he is a pompous jerk. Half the team thinks that he's a bady guy (at least they joke about it, he's not really), the other half thinks he's just an unfealing jerk. So in order to properly roleplay him you will have to ridicule every idea everyone here has, tell us why we are inferior to you, plus have the ego of a god. Oh, you also have to have kinda a "odd" relationship with Dream Girl. Are you sure your up to the role playing challenge?
sure I can; want me to tell you your grammararical errors to make the point; hehe, just kidding. Believe me, I would have no problem with a better than thou complex. I do like his rational mind and how he has a solution to almost every problem; and his fighting gear and firepower appeals to me as does he adventual seduction into evil as a flawed tragic hero; and, "odd" relationships with girls are what I do best :)
Ok Valegrim, I think your up for the job. So you can handle a odd relationship with a girl? Even if Dream Girl is suppose to be dead and her soul visits you? By the way, a lot of legionnaires were angry when you gave supergirl her flight ring so quickly. Personally, I think you should have had another ready to go.
So is anyone else ready to take on being a legionnaire?
I wanna be the token black green lantern legionnaire!!!!
Ok that is the second mention of the Green Lantern Corps. Now I know they didn't do anything in the 60's 70's and early 80's nor have they had such an inclusion in the recent year or two, is this one of those things I missed ranging from say 1984-2005?
We need a Legion Leader, currently Supergirl has the position (she was just voted in), any takers?
So what was your favorite overall Legion story or storyline? How about Favorite villian?
you can be bouncing boy heathy :) he is the leader after all :)
and wow Eileen; that is some profile you have and yes, I seem to be able to find the strangest girls to fall for without any super powers at all and would not at all be surprized to be visited by shades in death so I think I can pull off Brainiac :)
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Valegrim, you can be Brainiac 5 if you'd like, but keep in mind that in the current serious he is a pompous jerk. Half the team thinks that he's a bady guy (at least they joke about it, he's not really), the other half thinks he's just an unfealing jerk. So in order to properly roleplay him you will have to ridicule every idea everyone here has, tell us why we are inferior to you, plus have the ego of a god. Oh, you also have to have kinda a "odd" relationship with Dream Girl. Are you sure your up to the role playing challenge?
Oh playing that is easy.
Read all of Sebastian's posts... *ducks*
Valegrim, thanks for the profile comment. I am a complex person and my life is filled with D&D strife.
Sounds like the cartoon version of Legion is pretty popular, and yes, Bouncing Boy is the leader of the television version, while Supergirl is in the comics. Ok, so how many of you read the current comic line of Legion? I'm wondering...
Ok, if you could have any power you wanted and were going to apply for Legion membership, what would that power be. Legion rules state that you must have at least one natural power (not one mimicked by a device, such as Green Lantern's ring for example), and no one else in the Legion can already have that power. I know the Legion bylaws aren't always followed (see Superboy, Supergirl, Mon-El, and Ultra Boy) but that's the writers of the 60's, they wrote the Legion by-laws and didn't always follow them...For the sake of argument, lets follow them. So what power do you choose...
Me....I'd want to be able to manipulate energy (not create it like Wildfire). By manipulating energy I could do a lot of things...
1. Fly by manipulating air currents.
2. Stop people from moving or reverse their movement.
3. Stop machinery from function such as spaceships.
4. Discontinue or enhancing someone's superpower by manipulating the energy which gave them the power in the first place.
5. Prevent people from talking since it takes energy to move muscles.
6. Stop all body functions (heart, breathing etc) of someone who I don't like (ok, it's against by laws to kill and I would really have to be in a bad mood....but you enver know.)
And the list could continue....
How about you?
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Strangely enough, my favorite Legionaire was Kent Shakespeare.
But the team has gone through so terribly many retcons over the years (starting with two retcons based on Crisis on Infinite Earths: the Lilith re-envisioning, and then the Time Trapper pocket-universe) that I've really lost my enthusiasm for the group. They're a club of friends; they're the best and the brightest of the United Planets; they're on the run against a corrupt UP conspiracy; they're a wholly-owned subsidiary of Brande Corporation; they're iconoclastic teens in a world they despise, sticking it to the man.
My favorite storyline was probably the Great Darkness Saga. That changed my opinion of the Legion from "happy future kids" to a more serious group of heroes.
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Hmm, natural superpower?
I'd take either Residual Absorbtion, or Power Duplication. (both in the Ultimate Powers book)
Residual Absorbtion allows you to absorb the power from something affected by the power and then use it, either for a short time or permanent, depending on the roll. So if Supergirl hit a brick with her heat vision (assuming we're talking Kara, not Linda) and I used my power on the brick, I'd gain heat vision.
Power Duplication is pretty straightforward. And if I had that power, you bet I'd be hanging around as many superheroes as I could ;-)
I don't know if the power allows you to do things like absorb a healing factor from a pint of blood, or shape shifting from someone's severed arm (both are ewww moments) The target does have to be 'at least the size of a loaf of bread.'
Oh, and any idea how close similar powers can be? Both Triplicate Girl and Multiple Man have self duplication as an ability, but Jamies is an order of magnitude more powerful.
I have a big gap in my legion years (1984-2005)who was Kent Shakespeare and when did the character appear, what did he do? The same questions for multiple man? Did he replace triplicate girl/Duo Damsel after she retired?
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Kent Shakespeare was around in the "Five Years Later..." or "Adult Legion" stories by Tom and Mary Bierbaum. His powers weren't much to write home about: strength, invulnerability, and so on. But his personality was delightful. He was a bastion of level-headedness in a group that was sometimes filled with angsty drama-queens. He could hold a calm, rational discussion with members of the Fatal Five while handing them their heads.
Thank you, I have a lot of catching up to do.
Thank you, even more catching up to do. I have a lot of back issues to buy. So did he actually join the Legion or was he a supporting character?
Invulnerablility for me; like immune to vaccuum, bombs, bullets, heat rays, intense gravity; might be ouch and push me back, but no damage; guess I would prolly need a weakness though as most heros have them; like magic or hellfire or lead based paint hehe; not sure what weakness I would pick.
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The Legion was the first comic I read on a regular basis and to this day it remains my favorite.
And now to activate my Legion database;
"I'd take either Residual Absorbtion, or Power Duplication."
Residual Absorbtion
Absorbancy Boy: A failed legion try out who tryed to prove his worth by taking down Tyroc. The official reason he failed was the limitations of him needing some object from each person whose power he wanted to mimic. The more likely reason was Dream Girl's vision of him on a panty raid "I need them for your powers, honest!"
Power Duplication
Composite Superman: The Legion once gave Superboy statues of all legionaires. Unknown at the time but the statues contained residual power from each legionaire. When these statues were on display in a Superman museum, the janitor was hit by lightning as it passed thru the statues and he gains the combined power of all legionaires.
Naturally he took the shape of half superman/ half batman and became a super criminal.
Amalgamx: An alien who helped the Composite Superman once, recreated the accident and temporarily gained the same powers to get revenge on Superman and Batman.
B.I.O.N.: In the "5 years later" stories, the Dominators created an android using the Computo matrix and the genetic material of "batch SW6" a group of temporal clones of legion members.
Composite Legionaire: In the "Reboot" timeline, he was a Super Durlan, who could take the form and powers of anyone he "sampled" whith his antenae. He was defeated when Saturn Girl wiped his memories of who he had sampled.
And the Worst of the bunch
Duplicate Boy: Like Peter on HEROES, Ord could mimic the powers of any superhuman, but also like Peter, the power he mimics most often is the power of a Retarded Jackass.
He was Shrinking Violets boyfriend, but when she was kidnapped and replaced by a Durlan, who promptly broke up with him and fell for Collossal Boy, did he use the any of the multitude of powers to discover the switch and rescue Violet? No he chose to be Emo and got so depressed that his powers became unreliable.
When Violet was rescued he rushed to her side and she punched his lights out.
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Oh and while the new cartoon is OK, I can't stand this week episode with Karate Kid and Nemesis Kid.
If you want to see the "real" Nemesis Kid and Karate Kid, check out this months Trade Paperback LSH: Eye for an Eye
This is the original Legion, no "5 years later", "Legionaires", "Reboot" or "Three-boot".
Darklurker:
I shall be on the lookout for "An Eye for an Eye". Ah yes, the composite superman, I once had the comic in which he was struck by lightning and went after batman and superman. Nasty guy, very powerful, bad costume. Hope to see you and others as a regular here on this thread.
The title says it all. Love it. My first passion. I want to be just like Phantom Girl.
Or DL except without the limit of as long as he can hold his breath mind you he did initially sleepwalk his way out of prison so maybe he doesn't have that problem...
Valegrim, you can be Brainiac 5 if you'd like, but keep in mind that in the current serious he is a pompous jerk. Half the team thinks that he's a bady guy (at least they joke about it, he's not really), the other half thinks he's just an unfealing jerk. So in order to properly roleplay him you will have to ridicule every idea everyone here has, tell us why we are inferior to you, plus have the ego of a god. Oh, you also have to have kinda a "odd" relationship with Dream Girl. Are you sure your up to the role playing challenge?
Its been a while but we are talking the brainy who keeps a goat in his quarters in the comics and in the cartoon has a serious obsession with a certain clark kent?
hehe; that is too funny as I grew up on a dairy/ranch that included a goat herd for milking; that is so my character :)
oh; btw; my invulnerablility power would also have to have invulnerability to power drain, reduction, and the like so if Rogue ever crossed over I could date her and touch without getting drained and killed.
Yes, this would be the same Brainiac 5. Although the goats in the quarters wasn't really his idea. The character is great. I enjoy the way they play up his intelligence in the comic. In the original series Brainiac 5 wasn't portrayed anything like this, it is nice to see the writers putting a lot of effort into characterization.
The cartoon version of Brainiac 5 is portrayed quite a bit differently but then thats a completely different company in visioning things. As far as the show is concerned I like that as well, but hands down, the comics win in my book.
Hmmm...it seems Valegrim has a thing for Rogue.
Hopeless:
I was hopeless in deceiphering your post....who's DL?
Yes, this would be the same Brainiac 5. Although the goats in the quarters wasn't really his idea. The character is great. I enjoy the way they play up his intelligence in the comic. In the original series Brainiac 5 wasn't portrayed anything like this, it is nice to see the writers putting a lot of effort into characterization.
The cartoon version of Brainiac 5 is portrayed quite a bit differently but then thats a completely different company in visioning things. As far as the show is concerned I like that as well, but hands down, the comics win in my book.
Hmmm...it seems Valegrim has a thing for Rogue.
Hopeless:
I was hopeless in deceiphering your post....who's DL?
Heroes equivalent of Phantom Girl except he was apparently killed off at some point, unfortunate really since his character had the potential for some good subplots...
Hmm a former career criminal who suddenly discovers he can phase through walls, bonds, etc even vaults.
Hopeless:
Thank you, now I am no longer hopeless. Thanks for getting back to me so soon. I have never played Heroes though I have looked at it in the stores. I think in most situations it is possible to bring back nearly any comic book hero so hang in there, perhaps he will return someday. His power is definently cool. It's a shame he once took up a life of crime, but good that he saw the error of his ways.
That thing for Rogue; its a big thing too; and undescribable thing; comics, cartoons; dont matter; that is one great character; full of flaws; strengths; lovelorn; well drawn; southern belle, and always has a witty response. One of my favorite X-men; dont know any DC characters with the depth of character of the X-Men.
That thing for Rogue; its a big thing too; and undescribable thing; comics, cartoons; dont matter; that is one great character; full of flaws; strengths; lovelorn; well drawn; southern belle, and always has a witty response. One of my favorite X-men; dont know any DC characters with the depth of character of the X-Men.
If I had to pick one DC "team" to rival the depth of backstory and character of the X-Men, I'd have to say JSA/
But....but...but...I like Legion!
But....but...but...I like Legion!
What you have to remember is that the JSA inspired the JLA and the Legion didn't need any inspiration beyond Superman who they then recruited as a member!
So how long before they decide on a Legion/JSA crossover... hold on isn't Star Boy now a member of the JSA now?
Admittedly been rendered insane by something but that doesn't seem to have turned him into a villain ala superboy prime...
What do you think of this particular incarnation of the Legion?
Hopeless:
I think once again, I'm Hopeless. As mentioned before, I missed a lot of years of Legion. I went from the original group to the current group without anything in between. Shame on me for stopping comic reading for to many solar earth years. My Bad.
The way I see it, there are valuable team members who can fill me in on all of the missing years. Think of me as coming from another time. Hopefully your next post will elaborate on your references and teach me a thing or two.
I know that in the current series, which I like, they extend the Legion's inspiration beyond Superman, and include pretty much the Justice League. When Brande shows them heroes of the past, they show Superman, Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, and maybe a few others from what I recall. They also show the Legionnaires occasionally reading a comic to draw inspiration from. All in all this I like.
As for the other reboots, well.....
I remember going to the Comics and Source store in the Twin Cities and looking at Legion comics even though I hadn't read any for quite some time. I'd always put it back just thinking....they changed it. Now I'm trying to collect past issues and catch up but it's a slow, painful process.
I have the hardcover archive books which cover the original Legion stories from Adventure Comics up to Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes #223 with Time Trapper. After that I only have a few here and there in which I'm trying to patch tons of missing issues together in order to figure out what in the cosmos I missed.
So in regards to the JSA and Starboy you refer to, I know nothing. Please mold my mind, shape it, teach me....ok, just help me catch up. The only thing I can say about most of the re-booting.....should have never happened, keep with the original group. Though I do like the idea of restarting it once, rewriting the original series so that they are more complex and the stories fall into shape with the current comic writing methods of today. Don't stray to far off the path, don't be changing characters but add to them. Still cover all the major Legion events, deaths, characters, and tragedies that we once knew, just in a more adult way than the past.
Anyway....hopeless....I'm off on a comic splurge to the Source (I actually am and its a drive of about 140 miles or so), can't think of anything better to do on a day off. I have to shower and leave, I doubt I will even have time for my cup of hot chololate. So hopefully when I get back I will have heard from you and 127 other posters as well about how great the Legion is (regardless of which group/reboot/original/clone we are talking about.
Long Live the Legion!
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I knew the Re-boots would come up eventually so I am prepared.
Original Legion of Superheroes
Legion of Superheroes started in Superboy comics as a one-off story like most of his stories were. But the Legion got a response from the fans and they wanted more, so the LSH became a recurring storyline in Adventure comics, Action Comics and Superboy comics. Eventually it became Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes and finally The Legion of Superheroes.
During this time frame, the Legion had its best stories, the Time Trapper, Legion of Supervillains and of course the best of all “The Great Darkness Saga” (Available in trade paperback). Around the same time, Comic book shops had become “Cool” and to support them, DC created deluxe books with better paper, fewer adds and a new brighter ink. A new Legion of Superheroes book was part of the launch of these books and the previous title became “Tales of the LSH”. It continued with new stories for a year and then started reprinting the deluxe book.
The initial run is being released as a trade paperback “Eye for an Eye” and features the Legion of Supervillains stealing a planet and the death of a Legionnaire. Unfortunately, not everyone had a reliable comic shop and many legion fans had trouble getting the book, including myself. This is the one part missing in my collection. But storylines were also affected by the Crisis on Infinite Earths. After the Crisis, Superman was never Superboy, never met the Legion and was the last survivor of Krypton. And thus started the legacy of retcons that continues today.
They tried using the Time Trapper having a pocket universe with a Superboy to inspire the Legion, they replaced Supergirl with a Daxamite, Laurel Gand, a decedent of M’onel and eventually had a magic war that reeked havoc upon the galaxy. Turns out Flight rings and Stargates were more magical that technological. And the Legion books were cancelled.....
Five Years Later and Legionaries
Only to be restarted as “Five Years Later”. The new storyline had the Legion reforming, Earth under Dominator rule and with the death of the Time Trapper, a reality shift that made M’onel
the inspiration of the formation of the Legion as Valor. During the storyline to take back Earth, Batch SW6 was introduced, what was assumed to be clones of the Legion from back during the Adventure Comics days. With the end of the Dominator threat, a new legion book was started, Legionaries. The two books continued until the Zero Hour event and the entire 30th century was consumed by Anti-time.
Reboot
In the new “Reboot”, the boy/girl names were dropped in favor of new names; Livewire, Apparition, Spark, Inferno, Triad and Alchemist. New Legionaries were also introduced like XS (a decedent of Flash), Gates, and my personal favorite Kinetix. Unfortunately, in an attempt to keep the sales up, they kept messing with things. For example Kinetix went from a knockout red head who can manipulate matter, to a white witch knock off, and to a Hypertaxis Terrorform and I really don’t know what that is since the book was cancelled right about then. (Why couldn’t they leave Zoe alone?)
Three-boot
And then relaunched in its current “Three-boot” form. Now in the 31st century, with a very different view of the future. The boy/girl names are back as a homage to Superman and Wonder Woman. The book is currently “Supergirl and the LSH” as she was displaced in time during the Infinite Crisis event. In the upcoming issue #37, Jim Shooter returns. He wrote a bunch of the Original stories when he was 15 and looks like it will be an interesting start to the new year.
Back to the Original LSH
If you are not confused enough, guess what, in the recent JLA/ JSA “Lightning Saga”, the original Legion has returned, it appears Superman was a member and the original Starboy is the current Starman in the JSA and Karate Kid and the last of Triplicate Girls selves, “Una” are part of the Countdown event. And according to an article in Wizard, the positive reaction to the Original LSH means they will be back in Action comics, hopefully with an explanation as to WTF is going on with two Legions.
Animated Legion
Also we have the cartoon LSH in its second season. It has some new takes on old characters; Brainiac 5 as a android, Starboy (three-boot version) with full gravity powers and the Future clone of Superman is a very interesting idea.
Dark Lurker:
Perhaps you could do me a favor...as I have stated before, I missed a lot of Legion years and am now trying to collect back issues. If I send you the various titles and years, could you tell me which title goes with what re-boot. My collection is currently very much some of this, some of that. Many of the stories I haven't read because I am waiting to acquire the full story line in order to have a better understanding of what is going on. If your willing to assist me in sorting out this mess I would appreciate it. What do you think?
It took me a while to warm up to the "stuff it grandpa" story arc, and I really got interested when Supergirl showed up, but now that she's gone I'm wondering what direction the comic is going to go in now(as well as what's going to happen to the Supergirl comic as well). I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I'm guessing that they will go solo, but I'm hoping they will bring in Superboy. I thought Supergirl and her sometimes "little girl" personality was really great. I hope they find a way to bring her back as well. Ok what I really want is both Superboy and Supergirl. I think Superboy is better at getting things done, but Supergirl would be more fun to hang out with.
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Sure I will try and answer any questons you have, I guess that makes me the Computo of your legion? Hmmm, now who wants to be Triplicate Girl?
I wasn't to sure of the Three-boot, but several things have made me really like it.
One, the 31st century technology "feels" like it is future tech. I never understood why the Justice League had a teleporter in the 20th, but the Legion didn't in the 30th.
Two, the Legionaires! They proved you can revise something and make it better. Micro Lad, Projecta admited for her money, and Brainiac 5, they got him and his 12th level intellect perfect.