Not a bad idea. That just made me think of "The Legion Outpost", taken after the comics in hte 70's/80's where they placed fan mail and answered things Legion related. Your thoughts?I'm all for it. That was a strange title for their letters column though...
I agree, I don't know why they came up with that name. I would like to use something from the history of Legion though.
It's an easy argument to claim that Wildfire's powers "come from a device", since he's not much more than a floating blob of energy with an attitude whenever his containment suit gets breached.
I always viewed his powers as the result of an accident instead. It may have been a machine involved but Wildfire retains his power without having to rely on the machine for it. The Green Lantern Corps are powerless without the ring, so if they forget it at home that day they are pretty much screwed, where as Wildfire doesn't have that kind of reliance.
3.0 ADMISSION TO MEMBERS
3.1 To qualify for active membership, a candidate must: (i) be at the time of proposed admission under the age of eighteen (18), as measured on the Terran comparative physiological age scale (as periodically revised by the United Planets);
(ii) have at least one genuine super-power not activated, assisted, or powered by extrinsic means and not possessed by the contemporary Terran population; and further, such super-power must be distinct from toe super-power(s) possessed by any active member other than Superboy;
(iii) be able to fully control such power; and
(iv) be courageous and of good character. Candidates may be proposed tor membership by any member or may propose themselves on such occasions when the Legion of Super-Heroes may announce a willingness to examine candidates.
It's an easy argument to claim that Wildfire's powers "come from a device", since he's not much more than a floating blob of energy with an attitude whenever his containment suit gets breached.I always viewed his powers as the result of an accident instead. It may have been a machine involved but Wildfire retains his power without having to rely on the machine for it. The Green Lantern Corps are powerless without the ring, so if they forget it at home that day they are pretty much screwed, where as Wildfire doesn't have that kind of reliance.
I'd agree with that, but how often the GLC members leave their ring at home(or indeed, if they can even take it off) depends VERY much on the opinion of the current writer. Me, I think the ring is semi-sentient, and will follow you around, even if you take it off.
3.0 ADMISSION TO MEMBERS
3.1 To qualify for active membership, a candidate must: (i) be at the time of proposed admission under the age of eighteen (18), as measured on the Terran comparative physiological age scale (as periodically revised by the United Planets);
(ii) have at least one genuine super-power not activated, assisted, or powered by extrinsic means and not possessed by the contemporary Terran population; and further, such super-power must be distinct from toe super-power(s) possessed by any active member other than Superboy;
(iii) be able to fully control such power; and
(iv) be courageous and of good character. Candidates may be proposed tor membership by any member or may propose themselves on such occasions when the Legion of Super-Heroes may announce a willingness to examine candidates.
Then where will we get our Batmen from? That and Karate Kid is(and in my opinion was and always will be) a BIG hole in that part of the constitution. It's one of the reasons why in my..uh...Legion Homebrew, maybe? that this part of the constitution is subject to interpretation and a big part of certain storylines.
You totally rock;
<==kisses your toes in humility.
anyway; I hope that site comes back up so I can read some of the Legion stuff and get immersed.
Anyone else having trouble loading this site? jsut started like a week ago; now I cant get to this addy :(
Holy. Crap.I vote Freehold DM as the new Legion leader.I haven't been on the site for several days, but I sure noticed that were having issues today. Still working on the game.
Book is currently sitting around 140 pages with still a lot of information that is started but not complete.
Looks like the Legionnaire Commlink Rules Players Guide will be about 200 pages. I can see I'll need to make another book in order to get the rest of the player information out, so I need a new title. Any suggestions?
The second book would primarly encompass player campaign information, such as the Legion Headquarters, basic information about the U.P. the Science Police as well as the Legionnaires character sheets and origins.
You totally rock;
<==kisses your toes in humility.anyway; I hope that site comes back up so I can read some of the Legion stuff and get immersed.
Anyone else having trouble loading this site? jsut started like a week ago; now I cant get to this addy :(
Holy. Crap.I vote Freehold DM as the new Legion leader.I haven't been on the site for several days, but I sure noticed that were having issues today. Still working on the game.
Book is currently sitting around 140 pages with still a lot of information that is started but not complete.
Looks like the Legionnaire Commlink Rules Players Guide will be about 200 pages. I can see I'll need to make another book in order to get the rest of the player information out, so I need a new title. Any suggestions?
The second book would primarly encompass player campaign information, such as the Legion Headquarters, basic information about the U.P. the Science Police as well as the Legionnaires character sheets and origins.
Thank You. Perhaps a new comic will spark more Legion interest. You going to give it a try? Ya know it is DC!
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If memory serves, your first or second post on this thread brought up the GL corps, which had happened in my "20 YEAR GAP". What I still don't get though is how he joined the Legion when his power came from a device, or did they change the Legion Constitution on that rule? Was he a honorary member or full-time member?
They seem to have made some exceptions or changes to their charter in that time, as both Chameleon Boy & Yera Allon / 'Chameleon Girl' and Garth & Ayla violate the 'no duplicate powers' rule, and in the beginning of Legion of Three Worlds, they seemed to be openly discussing killing Superboy-Prime, with Superman, someone who hasn't been a Legionnaire for years, being the biggest source of dissent.
Rond Vidar was referred to at least once as 'a Legionnaire,' suggesting that he was allowed in regardless of the source of his powers (much like Karate Kid was allowed in despite having no powers at all).
Infectious Lass, having adventures in the 21st century, was also referred to as having become a Legionnaire at some point (making her, like Polar Boy and Night Girl, successful at using the Subs as a platform into the big leagues!).
What I'm not sure about is how the past Green Lantern Corps continuity has changed. Sodam Yat claims the rest of the Corps is dead, and suggests that he's been alone for *centuries,* and yet they were alive and kicking (just not welcome in Earth sector) in the classic Legion setting, not more than a decade ago (as the Ranzz kids, when mentioned at all, are suggested to not yet be adults), with the team having met three or four of them in a single encounter (in the issue that detailed exactly *why* they weren't allowed in Earth sector).
It's funny that they accept members who have super-powers 'as compared to Terrans,' since none of the founders are Terran (and two of them just have the racial powers of magnokinesis and telepathy, making them about as 'super-powered' by Braalian and Titanian standards as I am for having eyes and hands). Several of the other early members (Triplicate Girl, Phantom Girl, Superboy, Chameleon Boy) also have no abilities that aren't common to their entire species.
Being the only Terran associated with the group at that time (with multiple values of 'at that time,' since he didn't remain Terran...), it seems that their criteria was 'you must be able to do something that R.J. Brande can't do.' :)
BANG....BANG....BANG....BANG.... Phantom Girl here, I'd like to get this meeting of the Legion of Super-Heroes started. Regretfully out current leader is running late but he should soon be with us. Now than, in recent discussion, many questions have arisen about the Legion Constitution and it's accuracy of which it has or has not been followed. In order to bring this discussion to the fore front and in an attempt to rectify some of the questions previous comments have brought forth.
I've taken the term Terran to be Earth-like beings; those whom do not have a power of any kind when as compared to earthlings. The original constitution was written a long time ago, appearing in the 1960's. This was a time when many of the comics "including Legion" were one shot stories, simple plots and in many cases, cartoonish in nature. As I read through all of these stories not that many stand out as "more teen/adult oriented" as the comic companies were targeting an audience of lower age. As things matured within the comics, so did the art (for the most part). The people generally looked better (though many may rightly dispute this), the backgrounds were better filled up with detail rather than just splash colors that change from one panel to the next.
With this maturiety in comic stories and artwork, non-character details grew as well. In this particular case, the Legion Constitution. The writers sort of painted themselves in the corner with the original Constitution requirements. They made the necessary changes to accomidate their current character growth and plots. We see this as the "married people rule is changed and age requirments changing".
The downfall is they attempt to redefine the Constitution in other areas because they realize the day will come when they would be problematic as well. Just like the original Constitution, these alterations were not well thought out and certainly don't really work with the previous members. As mentioned above, the 60's comic days were much simpler and addressed to a younger crowed, thus we get the discrepancies noted by "we the posters".
To say that the Legion Constitution has been broken is true but only because authors and editors didn't actually give it much (if any) consideration or authority when they added characters and wrote the stories. Such is how we get Karate Kid slipping through the cracks, as well as having multiple characters with the same powers as Superboy. More accurately it should be stated "those with the same powers as Supergirl, simply because she joined the Legion first when dealing with the actual Legion timeline.
We can hold the writers and editors responsible for screwing it up if we wish but doing so doesn't correct the problem, that is space particals underneath the bridge.
It is necessary to also point out that the original Constitution was not just a writer/editor issue but was also drafted by our peers; specifically, Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad when they were in their early and mid-teens. Individuals of this age and lack of experience do not have the comprehension and foresight of most adults. There were very good intentions when the organization (at that time referred to as a "Club") was developed and the core reason for its existance has remain unchanged. But having teens write a legal binding authoritive document which serves to guide the Legion through every questionable situation is not merely impossible, but also irresponsible.
Now R.J. Brande gave them the opportunity and right to create such a document to the best of their ability, most likely being well aware that as teens, parts of that code would not be held to its utmost letter. Thus we reach the very degrees of controversy being discussed above. Surely Mr. Brande knew that the day would come that we realized the Constitution would and could not be all encompassing. When the Legion would reach this level of maturity, he believed and expected us to react approraitely by no longer treating the Legion as a mere Super-Hero Club but rather as a morally well defined organization that it here to serve the safety and best interests of the galaxies inhabitants.
Therefore I propose that we rewrite the Constitution utilizing the basis the organization was established upon and at the same time, having the foresight and hindsight to make the necessary alterations to provide a mature, well thought out Legion Constitution that shows fan based materials are always the best because "we simply care the most."
<Gizmos created by Brainac whirl about keeping a log and record of these events; keeping each hero in their best light and capturing details of this charter moment>
<==as Brainiac
I believe we can easily identify all terrans by commonality of type and various traits sequenced in DNA/RNA chains. Childs play really.
Our Constituition should be of the highest order; a living entity that embodies the best of all our dreams, one that evolves with purpose but never looses the core of our beliefs.
I shall give some thought to these writers you speak of Phantom Girl; but know; anything written; can be rewritten. All documents like our Constitition are much like evolution itself; each only adapted to the current evironment; we should not attempt to inject higher evolutionary ideas in the curriculum as it would unbalance the status quo and be rejected. Morality is hard to codify; worse if rules to codifiy it are not understood and believed by the populous. Each here understand dedication; self sacrifice; purpose; desire to created a universe more at ease with our sensibilities; can we really charter anything greater and hope for success?
Err, sorry about that folks, had to push my way past various groupies outside...
Regarding the Legion Constitution, Phantom Girl is very much correct- it needs a few minor revisions to reflect the time period we are in along with the realities of an team- no, an institution based on people defending the public good with Non-Standard-Terran Abiliies(hereto abbreviated as NTSA or colloquially referred to as "powers"), as opposed to a club where having a unique(at least with respect to when one joins to avoid power duplication) NTSA is the main requirement for membership.
It is also my belief that we need to open our doors to "powers" that are extra-biological in origin or that are the result of training. We have opened our doors to Karate Kid and Rond Vidar, the latter often referred to as the Last Green Lantern. Our history has shown the importance of people like Batman, Vigilante, and the defenders of Korugar, people who lacked NTSAs yet still made a humongous difference in their time. In my own Legionverse, the Legion is feared by some for its reliance on people with "powers", and its location on earth makes it a magnet for "aliens" in their (narrow) minds. An argument with this as well as the "no two people with the same powers" rule lead to the creation of ESF(Earthgov Special Forces) and the Subs in that universe respectively, but that is besides the point.
It is time to introduce a gentle change. Now, who votes with me?
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Set clears his throat, and waits for his turn to speak.
"Miss Chairman, respected colleagues, if I might have a word.
The document should survive unchanged *as a standard.*
If we enslave ourselves to every word, every time, choices such as the inclusion of Karate Kid (or Rond Vidar) would be restricted. As sentients, we reserve the right to make exceptions, such as to allow Ayla and Garth to continue to serve, despite sharing the same powers, just as we make exceptions to allow Superboy, Mon-El and Supergirl to operate as Legionnaires concurrently.
In absence of specific circumstances, to be determined at the time by the Legionnaires present, each rule should be considered the default state, the 'best practice,' the standard to which we hold ourselves, and yet, as we are not automata, each potential exception should be weighed and judged on its merits individually, rather than make blanket exceptions to that higher standard.
I strongly reject the notion that exceptions need to be encouraged or codified within the document.
The Code Against Killing, for example, should remain as it stands, with any violation of that standard requiring a discussion by the membership (either before the fact, or afterwards, in cases of urgency). There should *not* be a softening of standards to state, 'It's okay to kill in situation X.' It should *never* be an acceptable thing to violate the Legion code of conduct, but something that is undertaken in only the most necessary and grave and deliberate manner."
Sorry Star Boy, I don't mean to interrupt but....
Here is our current Constitution, this meeting may call for us to refer to it many times over, thus it must be clearly presented to all attending.
1.0 GENERAL PURPOSE
1.1 The Legion of Super-Heroes shall be an organization devoted to preserving the peaceful life of sentient beings throughout the universe.
1.2 Having duly qualified under the United Planets' statute-in-council #2958-07Q ("The Legion of Super-Heroes Revenue Act"), as amended from time to time, and appropriate United Planets' Revenue Codes, especially Sections 108.9 and 283.6, (otherwise known as the "Not for Profit Heroes Amendment"). the Legion of Super-Heroes shall be an independent organization responsible only to the President and Council of the United Planets and such authorities as they may from time to time designate.
1.3 Under the tems of the laws cited in Section 1.2 above, the Legion of Super-Heroes' finances shall be administered to fulfill the purposes of this Constitution by non-members of the organization under direction from the current Leader of the Legion of Super-Heroes and without any interference from any private individual or local government.
2.0 MEMBERSHIP
2.1 There shall be three classes of membership in the Legion of Super-Heroes: active, honorary and reserve members.
2.2 Active members shall be those duly qualified and elected individuals who shall be on call twenty-four (24) Terran standard hours per Terran standard day (except as provided in Sections 2.3 and 4.2 hereof), and who shall devote substantially all of their time to the Legion of Super-Heroes.
2.3 Honorary members shall be those worthy individuals who do not quality for active membership hereunder but whom the active membership wishes to honor with inclusion in the Legion of Super-Heroes.
2.4 Reserve members shall be those duly qualified end elected individuals who shall be prepared to take action in the event of an emergency when active members require assistance or are unable to respond, and who shall devote such reasonable portions of their time to Legion of Super-Heroes duties as the Leader may from time to time require.
3.0 ADMISSION TO MEMBERS
3.1 To qualify for active membership, a candidate must: (i) have at least one genuine super-power not activated, assisted, or powered by extrinsic means;
(ii) be able to fully control such power; and
(iii) be courageous and of good character.
3.2 Candidates may be proposed tor membership by any member or may propose themselves on such occasions when the Legion of Super-Heroes may announce a willingness to examine candidates. Candidates are subject to evaluation by the standing the Committee on Membership to determine the candidates' qualifications and merits, including any reasonable testing procedures the Committee may deem necessary and desirable. The results of such evaluation shall then be presented to the membership by the chairperson of such Committee, along with the candidate.
3.3 Voting on new active members shall then take place as provided in Sections 8.2 and 8.3 hereunder. Candidates elected shall be promptly inducted into active membership.
3.4 Worthy candidates not elected may be elected to reserve membership status, or may reapply for active membership at a later date.
3.5 After election and induction, new active members shall undergo a probationary period as the standing Committee on Membership shall see fit.
3.6 In times of emergency, any team of active members may grant provisional active membership to an individual they deem worthy who is assisting in the resolution of such emergency. Upon the resolution of such emergency, such provisional active member shall immediately become considered for active membership as provided hereunder.
3.7 Candidates for honorary membership may be proposed for membership by any active member. Candidates are subject to evaluation by the standing Committee on Membership to determine their merits. The results of such evaluation shall then be presented to the membership by the Chairperson of such Committee.
3.8 Voting on new honorary members shall then take place as provided in Sections 8.2 and 8.3 hereunder. Candidates elected shall be promptly informed of such election and offered honorary membership and, upon their acceptance of same, shall be promptly inducted as honorary members.
3.9 To qualify for reserve membership, a candidate must be either:
(i) a former active member;
(ii) an honorary member; or
(iii) a worthy candidate for active membership not elected to active membership.
3.10 Candidtes for reserve membership may be proposed to membership by any active member. Candidates are subject to evaluaton by the standing Committee on Membership to determine their qualifications and merits, including any reasonable testing procedures the Committee may deem necessary or desirable. The results of such evaluation shall then be presented to the membership by the chairperson of such Committee, along with the candidate.
3.11 Voting on new reserve members shall then take place as provided in Sections 8.2 and 8.3 hereunder. Candidates elected shall be promptly inducted into reserve membership.
3.12 After election and induction. new reserve members shall undergo a training period as the standing Committee on Membership shall see fit, prior to assuming their duties.
4.0 RESIGNATIONS OR EXPULSIONS FROM MEMBERSHIP
4.1 Members may resign at any time without cause.
4.2 Members may, with the consent of the Leader or of a simple majority of the active membership, place themselves on voluntary leave or part-time status. Such consent may be revoked at any time, and during such time members shall continue to have all obligations ordinarily incumbent upon Legionnaires except as to the proportion of time they shall devote to Legion-related duties.
4.3 Members shall be subject to expulsion for any failure to conform to the provisions of this Constitution applying to them. Grounds for expulsion shall include, but not be limited to: (i) failure to continue to fulfill the requirements tor membership as set forth in Section 3.1 hereof;
(ii) failure to fullfill the duties of a Legionnaire or attempting to subvert another member from doing so;
(iii) failure to obey the Leaders orders;
(iv) disloyalty to the Legion of Super-Heroes;
(v) cowardice, dishonesty, or fraud;
(vi) becoming magically or psychologically unfit for duty and failing to place oneself on voluntary leave or suspension;
(vii) revealing Legion of Super-Heroes secrets or confidential information acquired while serving as a Legionnaire;
(viii) knowingly taking the life of a sentient being in other than a provable situation of self-defense or as a provable only available alternative to the death of sentient beings.
4.4 In the event a member is accused by another member of conduct meriting expulsion, the Leader shall suspend the accused and conduct an inquiry into the accusation. The result of such inquiry shall be presented to the active members in the fashion of a trial, with the accused given all the benefits of such a proceeding, including representation by an active member.
4.5 At the conclusion of such a trial, the question of expulsion shalt be as provided in Sections 8.2 and 8.3 herein, except that the accused shall have no vote on the question.
4.6 Members expelled or resigning from the Legion of Super-Heroes and not awarded either honorary or reserve membership must submit to psychotherapy to remove all memory of Legion of Super-Heroes secrets or confidential information gained while serving as a Legionnaire, and must return all Legion of Super-Heroes property and surrender all benefits end privileges of membership.
5.0 MEMBERSHIP ACTIVITIES
5.1 Upon admission, members are required to swear an oath of loyalty to the Legion of Super-Heroes in a manner as may be prescribed from time to time by the standing Committee on Constitutional Matters. A similarly prescribed oath shall be sworn by all Legionnaires annually at a rededication ceremony held at the Legion ct Super-Heroes headquarters on Earth.
5.2 Active members shall keep the member or members charged with Mission Monitor Board Duty aware of their location at all times.
5.3 Active members shall be deputized as officers of the Science Police and, to the extent possible, shall cooperate with the Science Police Commander and his designated representative.
5.4 Members shall participate in ongoing educational and training activities as required by the standing Committee on Membership. Such activities shall include language education, although the only language required prior to a Legionnaire assuming active status shall be Interlac.
5.5 Members shall receive no salaries and/or rewards or compensation from any person or organization other than the Legion of Super-Heroes. Any sums received that cannot be waived shall be donated to the organization's treasury. The Leader shall periodically set living allowances at various levels for active, honorary and reserve members, which shall be paid out of the Legion of Super-Heroes' funds.
5.6 Active members shall also be entitled to housing, security, food and clothing that will accommodate their needs at the Legion of Super-Heroes' expense.
5.7 All members are required to design a personal uniform, with the aid of Athramite staff if needed, that accommodates itself to the required standardized look of the Legion of Super-Heroes.
5.8 All members will be issued a serialized Legion flight ring, regardless if the wearer needs the aid of flight or not, for communication and location purposes. The ring is the property of the Legion of Super-Heroes and can not be given away. Penalty for doing so can result in expulsion in Section 4.3.
5.9 Members with substantial personal financial interests shall be required to declare them to the standing Committee on Constitutional Matters, which may require the member to divest such interests or place them in a blind trust for the duration of such members' membership.
5.10 Members shall have the right to participate either in person or via telecommunications in all Legion of Super-Heroes meetings at which any matters are voted upon or to call meetings at any reasonable interval.
5.11 Members shall be entitled to medical care at the expense of the Legion of Super-Heroes for all injuries received while Legionnaires.
6.0 LEADERSHIP
6.1 Each year the active members of the Legion of Super-Heroes shall select a Leader and a Deputy Leader from among the full-time active members in a manner conforming to the requirements of Sections 8.2, 8.3 and 8.4 hereunder.
6.2 The Leader and Deputy Leader shall serve for concurrent one-year terms and may be re-elected for consecutive terms.
6.3 In the event of the resignation, expulsion, leave of absence, death or incapacity of: (i) the Leader, the Deputy Leader shall become Leader and shall appoint a new Deputy Leader;
(ii) the Deputy Leader, the Leader shall appoint a new Deputy Leader; or
(iii) both the Leader and the Deputy Leader, the senior active member shall serve as temporary Leader, with a new Leader and Deputy Leader to be selected at the first opportunity in a manner conforming to the requirements of Sections 8.2, 8.3 and 8.4 hereunder.
6.4 The Leader shall be the supreme commander of the Legion of Super-Heroes, answerable only to the United Planets Authorities and restricted only by the applicable provisions of this Constitution.
6.5 The Leader may authorize the Deputy Leader or any active member as an acting or temporary or team Leader with an appropriate portion of the Leader's authority hereunder.
6.6 Members shall, in all instances, be required to obey the orders of the Leader and/or the Leader's duly authorized representative, so long as such orders conform to this Constitution.
6.7 The Leader may be suspended temporarily by a unanimous vote of the standing Committee on Constitutional Matters, and such suspension shall last only until a court-martial may be held as provided in Section 4 hereunder.
6.8 The Leader is responsible for the funds of the Legion of Super-Heroes under Section 1.3 hereunder and shall have the full freedom to use those funds to fulfill the purposes and requirements of this Constitution.
7.0 COMMITTEES
7.1 The enumerated authorities set forth in this Section 7 shall be given to the standing Committees set forth herein. In this respect, the authority of any given Committee with respect to the matters set forth shall be superior to the authority of the Leader or any individual Legionnaire.
7.2 In addition to the standing Committees, ad hoc Committees may be composed and charged with specific responsibilities from time to time by the Leader or by vote of the active membership.
7.3 The standing Committee on Constitutional Matters shall have the final authority to rule on all matters of interpretation of this Constitution, to draft amendments and/or revisions of this Constitution at the voted direction of the active membership, and with respect to all elections and to the Leadership itself. This shall include authority to call and preside over a court-martial of the Leader, as provided in Section 6.7 above. In addition, this Committee shall arrange for the keeping of an appropriate history of the Legion of Super-Heroes and all archival files and shall designate the flag, handshake, oaths, and other indicia of the organization.
7.4 The standing Committee on Constitutional Matters shall also have the authority to disband the Legion of Super-Heroes.
7.5 All rulings of the Committee on Constitutional Matters shall be by majority vote, except the ruling to call a court-martial of the Leader or to dissolve the Legion of Super-Heroes, which must be unanimous. All rulings of this Committee shall be binding upon the Leader and the membership.
7.6 For the duration of their membership, whether as active, honorary, or reserve members, the standing Committee on Constitutional Matters shall consist of Cosmic Boy (chair), Live Wire, and Saturn Girl. In the event of the incapacity, resignation, or expulsion of one or more members, the Legionnaire or Legionnaires of greatest seniority shall replace them, with the most senior member of the Committee serving as chair.
7.7 The standing Committee on Membership shall have the responsibility for maintaining an active search for suitable candidates for membership, for making recommendations to the membership concerning candidates, and for supervising the ongoing education and training of all Legionnaires.
7.8 All rulings and recommendations of the standing Committee on Membership shall be made by majority vote of the Committee, and with respect to the education or training of individual members, shall be binding upon such members.
7.9 Until such time as otherwise designated under Sections 8.2 and 8.3 hereunder, the standing Committee on Membership shall be chaired by the acting Leader and shall consist of not more than three additional members as may be elected from time to time by the active membership under Section 8.6 hereunder.
7.10 The standing Committee on Security shall also serve as the Espionage Squad, being composed of those active members whose super-powers are most suitable, and shall have the general responsibility for assisting the Leader in maintaining the security of the Legion of Super-Heroes.
7.11 For the duration of their active membership, the standing Committee on Security shall consist of Invisible Kid (permanent Leader), Apparition, Chameleon, Leviathan, and Triad. In the event of the incapacity, resignation, or expulsion of one or more of the Committee, the active membership shall elect a successor or successors under the provisions of Seetion 8.6 hereunder, considering the suitability of their super-powers and characters.
8.0 VOTING
8.1 The active membership shall alone hold voting privileges.
8.2 The active membership shall be required to vote on significant questions including but not limited to: (i) the method of selecting the Leader;
(ii) the designation of standing or ad hoc Committees and their chairpersons;
(iii) revision of the Constitution;
(iv) admission of new members;
(v) expulsion of present members;
but not on matters explicitly under the Leader's discretion or matters explicitly under the discretion of a standing or ad hoc Committee under Section 7 hereof.
8.3 For all such votes, a quorum of three-fourths of the active members shall be required to participate either in person or via telecommunications. The quorum being determined to be sufficient, a vote of two-thirds of members participating is thereafter required to carry the question. In the event of a tie or vote insufficient to carry the question, the status quo ante shall prevail.
8.4 Unless the question shall be put to a vote of the active membership and carried otherwise for that year, the Leader shall be elected by a simple plurality of active members voting, with the Legionnaire receiving the second-largest number of votes being elected Deputy Leader.
8.5 Unless the question shall be put to a vote of the active membership and carried otherwise, all Committees shall make their determinations by a simple majority of Committee members voting, with ties broken by the chair, except as otherwise explicitly prohibited herein.
8.6 All other questions shall be decided by a simple majority of the active membership.
you fleshly beings of mostly water; get so excited about your limited understandings of life and death; it is easy to make rules; but every rule based on the limited form of communication and understanding of various life forms is always limited to the intellect and understanding of the moment; as I recall from Star Boy's incident; there here many heated passions on both sides; extraneous suppositon and a fair degree of predisposed judgement; none of which makes good rules or good rules. How many of you swat insects; kill viruses; destroy bacteria; eat flesh or vegatable matter; all these things include death in the menu.
I am more aligned with Set in this matter; that rules should be posted as a Standard; but also believe that many of the Legions codes are predujiced to heighten the narrow egos of SOME heros. This matter of no power like another; codefied exclusion.
Governing laws must be written in cool logic to serve the good of all; and be taught to all that the standard they represent may be upheld; but should not be like a slow trap that steals away our ability to choose right and wrong. I would say this rule of life and death should be written; You will not Murder; clear; consice; to the point; ironclade in meaning. I also find that among the super powered community ;there are always those that invade the minds or some perhaps would say; the very souls of individuals; should there not be a rule to repect the individual privacy of members; that private thoughts be just so; private. And should the not be a rule for a full investigation of any circumstance that warrants dismissal; should not both side be able to present facts and merits and such?
Gentle friends; I only seek to lay a strong foundation that we all understand; that our standards not erode over time; situations like Star Boys; tend to occur on a cycle; and with some entities; with more chance than others; I would think it wise to cut the variables of missuse of our constitution during its creation rather than summary judgements during a crisis.
and should not our charter; have the standard rights and privelges spelled out that each member gain for their service that all members be treated equally with none more a member than another? Things such as gear, rooms, access to libraries and laboratories and recreations rooms; should there not be a rule; while some may think it wise to allow all access to each; I suggest not; Lest some Ferro boy who has no knowlege of science not incinerate us playing with bright colored chemical in a laboratory. Some safety measures should be taken to avoid this; it is only prudent.
If you like; I could extrapolate some data and provide how stastisticaly viable our constitution is now and compare it to whatever is decided and make prediction on its comparative strength among such historical documents.
Interesting that you say that now Brainiac 5. Where were you when I was forced to kill someone in self-defense? I present to you evidence 1A. A holo-vid of Adventure Comics #342.
As shown on this recording, I was on trial for killing in self defense. Here it clearly shows you Brainiac 5 not supporting a change in the Legion Constitution but rather my expulsion effective immediently for violating that code. If fact Brainiac 5, as shown in the holovid, you served as the prosecuter, working against me. Don't think I haven't tried to get over that slight against me. You never even offered an apology. But Oh, sure, NOW we talk about CHANGING the Constitution.
I see how you guys really are. This is clear and simple discrimination. When we inducted Tyroc into the Legion we claimed no discrimination, but when it was me.....different story....explain yourself!!!!!!!!
We had an awesome game of Legion of Super-Heroes tonight, the campaign has been extremely slow to get off the ground, but tonight was different, almost all Legion roleplaying and a PC officially joined the Legion, Congratatulations to Syphon.
Syphon proved herself capable by "duplicating Triplicate Girl, Invisible Kid and Brainaic 5's powers. Brainiac 5 questioned whether or not she had a unique power however (much like what happened with Erg 1/Wildfire). To help prove that she did, Superboy stepped up to the plate and told her to remove his Invulnerability (which she did), then to borrow Lightning Lad's power (which she did) and strike Superboy with one of the bolts. It worked, she's in. Regretfully, Polar Boy did not make it in because he was to young and did not sufficiently control his power; neither did Night Girl or Stone Boy.
Meanwhile someone is sending out terrorist androids to kill certain U.P. individuals; one of which was Syphon as she is now the Ambassador between her home planet Starline 57 and the U.P.
Tharok is looking to make his first appearance in a few games as well.
coolness
We had an awesome game of Legion of Super-Heroes tonight, the campaign has been extremely slow to get off the ground, but tonight was different, almost all Legion roleplaying and a PC officially joined the Legion, Congratatulations to Syphon.
Syphon proved herself capable by "duplicating Triplicate Girl, Invisible Kid and Brainaic 5's powers. Brainiac 5 questioned whether or not she had a unique power however (much like what happened with Erg 1/Wildfire). To help prove that she did, Superboy stepped up to the plate and told her to remove his Invulnerability (which she did), then to borrow Lightning Lad's power (which she did) and strike Superboy with one of the bolts. It worked, she's in. Regretfully, Polar Boy did not make it in because he was to young and did not sufficiently control his power; neither did Night Girl or Stone Boy.
Meanwhile someone is sending out terrorist androids to kill certain U.P. individuals; one of which was Syphon as she is now the Ambassador between her home planet Starline 57 and the U.P.
Tharok is looking to make his first appearance in a few games as well.
I'm glad to hear the game is going well!!!!
Saturday Morning, Comic Convention here I come. Got my Legion list ready!
Saturday Morning, Comic Convention here I come. Got my Legion list ready!
AWRIGHT!!!!!
Well that was one successful shopping trip. I think I completed a few more Legion titles. I need to put them in sequence to make certain. I met Jim Shooter and got his autograph in my "The Life and Death of Ferro Lad" hardcover as well as Adventure Comics #346, the story in which he introduced Ferro Lad, Princess Projectra, Karate Kid and Nemesis Kid. We talked breifly about Ferro Lad and he gave me the scoop on what his intentions were with the character until he was overruled by others at DC comics.
Psshh!
I'm impressed. I doubt I've ever spent as much as $10 on a single issue of a comic book before; I'm too cheap. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Adventure 346 was Jim Shooter's first published work EVER. I just looked it up on Mile High, which is asking $33.00 for it in Very Good condition.
When you mention Shooter's intentions with Ferro Lad, do you mean that Shooter was going to make him black, back in 1966? (If you're talking about Shooter's last run with the Legion, then I probably won't understand, as I've seen nothing of that run.)
Long live the Legion thread!
Psshh!
I'm impressed. I doubt I've ever spent as much as $10 on a single issue of a comic book before; I'm too cheap. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Adventure 346 was Jim Shooter's first published work EVER. I just looked it up on Mile High, which is asking $33.00 for it in Very Good condition.
When you mention Shooter's intentions with Ferro Lad, do you mean that Shooter was going to make him black, back in 1966? (If you're talking about Shooter's last run with the Legion, then I probably won't understand, as I've seen nothing of that run.)
Long live the Legion thread!
Yes, he stated that he intended for Ferro Lad to be black which he didn't see as a problem. DC felt that it would be unnacceptable in regards to how the public responded, so they put the kabosh on it. He kinda shrugged and said "Who knows, maybe it would have been a problem".
You wouldn't believe some of the prices at comic conventions. You can find some Adventure Comics for just a few bucks each which are in good shape, others want the same thing for tens of dollars.
The most I ever paid for a comic was $200, it was Amaxing Fantasy #15, which I sold a few months later at my first comic convention for $2,400. That's what got me going to the conventions in the first place.
The most I ever paid for a comic was $200, it was Amaxing Fantasy #15, which I sold a few months later at my first comic convention for $2,400.
Okay, now that's REALLY impressive.
Well that was one successful shopping trip. I think I completed a few more Legion titles. I need to put them in sequence to make certain. I met Jim Shooter and got his autograph in my "The Life and Death of Ferro Lad" hardcover as well as Adventure Comics #346, the story in which he introduced Ferro Lad, Princess Projectra, Karate Kid and Nemesis Kid. We talked breifly about Ferro Lad and he gave me the scoop on what his intentions were with the character until he was overruled by others at DC comics.
THAT IS AWESOME!!!! I can't believe you met the MAN! And I'm glad to hear that he fought for Ferro. I wonder if he would have been a mix of his original character and Tyroc or just himself a few shades darker.
Ok, so what did everyone think about the first issue of the new series?
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Love that the team has a book again!
Like that, slowly but surely, the Frank-designed costumes are being tweaked a bit. I like Imra's outfit, particularly (I think she always looked best in the uniforms, and TV shows like Babylon 5 have colored my view, leaving me preferring telepaths in very serious and vaguely sinister outfits), but I'd prefer if a few less of the menfolk were sleeveless and a few less of the womenfolk had Power Girl-esque cleavage windows. (Particularly egregious in the case of Sensor, who has her entire body covered, with gloves and a mask, except for having her breasts exposed. This sort of costume design makes sense for characters with a history of showing off their bodies, like Shady and Dreamy, but not *everyone!*)
The art often made the characters look surprisingly young. Colossal Boy, in the big action scene on Titan, looked very fresh-faced, compared to the more recent portrayals of them as old and haggard. I prefer a younger Legion, myself, but it's a strange transition.
Characterization suggests that Brainy is headed back to crazy-ville, or, possibly, was 'infected' by Brainiac during their encounter in the 21st century, as he walks through Titan, people screaming and getting crushed by falling debris all around him, having an internal monologue about hoping that he can recover some equipment from the Time Institute, because it wasn't easy to build. Yikes! Haven't we had enough of crazyBrainy and 'all smart people are jerks?' On the other hand, the Brainiac-infection could be a fun shout-out to the second season of the cartoon series, where a similar thing happened to cartoon Brainy!
Saturn Girl, already a powerful enough telepath to be able to shut the Universo-controlled Mon-El and Ultra Boy off in less time that it took Universo to order them to kill her, leaving him dumbfounded at her ability to 'fell the two strongest men in the universe by *looking at them,*' is now also a telekinetic? Did she really need *more* power? I guess it's more useful for fighting robots or rescuing people, but I think I would have preferred she do something clever, than pull a new super-power out of her butt.
The scene in Imra's private room, she is thinking about secrets that she keeps even from her husband, while staring at a picture of Superman? That's either an unfortunate coincidence of the text and the art having nothing to do with each other, or an interesting 11th-hour addition to the character, if she's been secretly carrying a torch for Superman for all these years (and chosen to keep this a secret from Garth, for whatever reason. I wouldn't have thought that telepaths would be big on keeping secrets in their intimate relations)...
I have mentioned off and on for years that it's a little annoying that the writers have never even alluded to the fact that Titan is totally inhospitable to human life, with an average temperature of -273 degrees Fahrenheit or something. So I'm *thrilled* that Levitz took this and ran with it (rather than blithely ignoring it), developing life-support shields and such, and having their collapse be an existential threat to the populace.
In the 21st century, Titan is being 'seeded' with alien telepaths, who have nothing to do with Earth. In the 31st century, Dr. Aven is referring to Earth as 'the mother world,' and Imra senses the death not just of Titanian human(oid)s, but also of a cat and a mayfly, creatures from earth, suggesting that Levitz is ignoring the 21st century storyline (and Earth-Man's assumption) that 'Titanians are aliens,' and making Titan an Earth-colony again. I've always thought of Titan, Braal, Winath, etc. as Earth-colonies, seeded at some point in the 1000 years between the 20th and 30th centuries, so that works for me, even if it doesn't agree with Johns recent stories.
Dawnstar's characterization as being proud of her abilities, unequalled at what she does, shows through, and is nice to see again.
Tinya's characterization as 'the one who notices stuff' is also good to see. Cham didn't pick her for the Espionage Squad because she can walk through walls, he picked her because she's always been, due to her otherdimensional nature, a bit apart from everyone else, as if watching them from a great distance (which, she is), and, as such, she tends to have a 'bigger view' of what is going on. If anyone is going to notice that Brainy is talking to himself, it will be someone like Tinya, Imra or Cham, a natural observer.
Sun Boy, formerely one of the most laid-back and easygoing Legionnaires, more of a Booster Gold than a 'hothead,' had completely lost his cool when it comes to Earth-Man. In the hands of a lesser writer, I'd blame this on crappy characterization, but, being Levitz, it could be very specific anger at Earth-Man (and richly deserved), or the sort of 'toughening up' change in characterization that happened to Violet after her being held captive by the Imskian resistance. Given that his role as lighthearted team free spirit seems to have been given to the formerly grim, humorless and over-serious Polar Boy during the Johns / Franks characterization shuffle, perhaps he'll remain 'the hothead.' Hopefully not.
Better save some of those tranqs for me.
I haven't seen this latest Legion comic (or indeed, ANY comic of ANY title more recent than 2008) but I would like to hope - however vainly - that comics could mature past the point where all female characters are obligated to provide eye candy. When I first discovered the Legion, I liked Saturn Girl's look. By super-heroine standards, she was surprisingly, refreshingly, modestly dressed. I later saw her in the skimpier costume in issues from the 70s and early 80s. What a letdown! Thank goodness THAT got changed back.
Don't get me wrong. I ogle women as much as the next guy. That Dawnstar is just... wow. I was half-tempted to post as Wildfire again just to say that. But I'm more impressed when a comic book can make a female character interesting without making her sexy.
What? What is this? No critique from our Legion Leader? None from Brainiac 5? Surely our Legion Leader would consider this comic the utmost highest priority. I can't believe that Brainiac 5 has yet to read and post. With his 12th level intellect he must of uncovered every little detail, lead and clue secreted away into this non-interlac language document?
Me, oh I read it, just wanted to read it a second time before posting my meaningless thoughts. Expect to see it tonight.
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I would like to hope - however vainly - that comics could mature past the point where all female characters are obligated to provide eye candy. When I first discovered the Legion, I liked Saturn Girl's look.
I want both. I want Dreamy and Shady to dress like they've pretty much always dressed, in *scandalous* outfits.
But Sensor? Who designs a costume that covers every square inch of one's body, including the eyes, and then leaves a cut out *over their heart?* That's just silly.
Being a fan of Trinity (a sci-fi RPG with an order of militant telepaths) and Babylon 5 (another setting with an order of militant 'psi-cops' in intimidating uniforms), I'm kinda in love with the idea of telepaths dressing in severe kinda-scary uniforms...
I would like to hope - however vainly - that comics could mature past the point where all female characters are obligated to provide eye candy. When I first discovered the Legion, I liked Saturn Girl's look.I want both. I want Dreamy and Shady to dress like they've pretty much always dressed, in *scandalous* outfits.
But Sensor? Who designs a costume that covers every square inch of one's body, including the eyes, and then leaves a cut out *over their heart?* That's just silly.
I have it on good authority that the clothing replicator at Legion Headquarters provides a huge arrangement of designs, colors and materials. Simply just enter the requirements your looking for and it shows the design your thinking of. The replicator is capable of offering many variations of the design in order to accomidate the individual tastes of each person. My understanding is that Sensor Girl came up with that design in order to lure an opponent's concentration away from her powers so that she could be more effective. True, read it in the Legion Outpost!
Hey all, many of you know that over the past year and a half I've been writing a Legion of Super-Heroes Roleplaying game. I've been playing some at home (not a lot through) and am now checking to see if there is anyone out there who would be interested enough to try PBP. I've never ran one before (for any game) so it will be a learning experience.
The premisis of the game is that each player would run a couple of characters. One character they have belongs to a small team of Legionnaires that go on a mission. The the other character they have belongs to a different team. As the plot is developed, it will in most cases connect the findings of both groups, thus they are involved in the same plot but each taking it in from a different perspective.
For an ongoing home campaign the original concept was for each player to have 3-4 characters and explore the plot with each group, as described above. For PBP I think two is plenty.
One may pick the Legionnaires of their choice and I'll step in to balance character power so that one player does not dominate the entire PBP. You may also pick a second Legionnaire or make one of your own using the character creation rules.
I'm slowly working on powers as well as personality and racial qualities and would provide them as a need to have basis. The goal is for you to have fun, for me to see what works and what doesn't. You should fully expect me to alter, add or delete rules in order to improve the game system.
Major rule sections that have yet to be written (such as spaceship combat) can be worked out in a brief way in order to continue play, though the real deal would be later worked out.
If you want to role up a character of your own one will have to abide by the Legion Constitution; which pretty much says you need a unique power. Even if your not familar with the Legion of Super-Heroes comic feel free to contact me. Essentially, the Legion takes place in the 30th century where the galaxy is controlled by various organizations or species. Interstellar travel is very common. So basically, you play a superhero in the far flung future. In a way, they are similar to the Justice League but take their works in far off places of the future. The homebase is on Earth within the city of Metropolis.
If anyone is interested in playing, want's to check out some rules first, is looking for rule clairification or is just seeking general Legion knowledge please post here or send me an email at:
MyLegionofSuperHeroes@gmail.com
What game system did you have in mind?
For the last year and half I've been creating my own gaame, so I guess you could call it Eileen's System.
Essentially the game is skill (called Areas of Expertise) and power based. Each player has 2 characters (for PBP only), normally they would control 3 individuals. You select the two Legionnaires of your choice or you can create one of your own and select one from the Legion roster. Care needs to be taken in order to avoid having overly powerful characters which dominate both groups.
I'll prepare the Legionnaire of your choice(s) attempting to match them up as close as possible beginning with the days of Adventure Comics. If you want to create a character, your pretty much in control of your character creation. The power(s) you select must be different than what all the other Legionnaires already have.
You would need to select the Areas of Expertise (AOE), the power(s) the character has and the various ways they can be used. Each AOE and power has a category attached to it beginning with Feeble/1 on up to Super/15. The number attached to your category such as Feeble/1 provides a +1 to the d20 roll, a category of Astonishing/9 applies a +9, etc. Success is determined by attaining a specific Challenge Score or rolling equal or greater than your opponent.
For example, if your opponent takes a swing at your face and they have a category of Astonishing/9, they roll d20 and add +9. You could defend using a dodge or block (in this example we'll say dodge) with a category of Average/5, thus you roll d20 and add +5 to the roll, highest roll wins.
The amount of damage is determined by how close the attack and defense were from one another numerically. The closer the two numbers the less severe the attack was. The further away they are from one another, the greater the attack was. Attacks can result in a Miss, Glancing Blow, Solid Blow, Stunning Blow, Reeling Blow or Critical Blow.
Each type of attack has a Damage Intensity ranging from Low, Medium, High to Severe. To determine the overall damage one inflicts, you cross reference how good your attack was (Glancing - Critical) with the Damage Intensity for that attack. The chart shows how many dice you roll for damage as well as the size of the die.
For example, a Hand-to-Hand attack scoring a Glancing Blow with a Medium Damage Intensity will score 2d4 damage; a Solid Blow would inflict 2d6 damage; a Stunning Blow 2d8 damage; a Reeling Blow inflicts 2d10 damage; a Critical Blow sores 2d12 damage.
For weapons a Damage Intensity of High would inflict a Glancing Blow of 5d4, a Solid Blow of 5d6, a Stunning Blow of 6d6 a Reeling Blow of 5d8 and a Critical Blow of 5d12 damage. If the Damage Intensity for a weapon was Severe, it would inflict a Glancing Blow of 6d4, a Solid Blow 6d6, a Stunning Blow 6d8, a Reeling Blow is 6d10 and a Critical Blow is 6d12.
Your character has 6 Damage Conditions ranging from Healthy, Scratched, Injured, Hurt, Wounded and Critical. These basically tell you how many damage points you have left and what modifier you apply to your die rolls for damage taken. You can also reach Damage Conditions of Defeated, Dying, and Dead.
This might sound like a lot but it's easy to follow especially if you use one of the character sheets I designed. With that, its easy to keep track of your Areas of Expertise, your Powers, how much damage you can take, what Damage Condition your character is in, etc.
I would send you some of the rules to help guide you through the process. This PBP game is to determine how well the game mechanics work, the game in general (for play ability and fun). Each player should go into this understanding that its a play test game and that the game will include rule additions, deletions or modifications in orfer to improve the game. Players will be expected to follow the Legion Constitution since they are part of the Legion of Super-Heroes.
Valgrim, Set or Aaron, any chance you'd be interested in play testing?
Sure; what would it entail? By this I mean I need some instructions hehe
Sure; what would it entail? By this I mean I need some instructions hehe
Instructions come in the form of a email from me. Would you be kind enough to give me your address once again. To start with though, you would need to select either 2 Legionnaires or 1 Legionnaire and create one of your own. What is your preference?
KK; I think I still have your email address and chat stuff all still set up. Will see if I can send you a test email if not; will post mine here; it is of course on my pbp discussion boards as well.
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hmm email came back not sendable; guess you dont have your gmail account any more; mine is valgrymr@gmail.com
For those who may be interested, a Play By Post game of Legion of Super-Heroes has begun. Please stop by and visit and if you feel so inclined, your welcome to join or start a second Play By Post game. Cheers!