Pathfinder goblins--OMFG are these guys awesome or what?!


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I have NO interest in miniture figure games. However I use little plastic prepainted minis in my games as a replacement for the metals becuase (1) a lot of metal is heavy and (2) I have even less time to paint them than I have creative talent to make them look nice.

The thing that irratated me about WotC minis is that they are for their own game first and D&D second (if only by chance). They will never make a set of commoners but can you see how useful that would be when setting up a tavern scene?!?

Anyway, I would not be interested in metal ones. I would be very interested in OGL D20 -centric plastic prepainted ones.

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Vic Wertz wrote:
Not so. You can get any cards you like printed on the same stock. If you go to a card printer called Carta Mundi, that particular paper is called Corona.

Really? I wonder why they always dodge the question of what the cards are made of with an answer like 'we can't quite tell you, bu it's not paper or cardboard' and talk about how exacting their standards are.

I guess it's just more of the 'We know more than you, and you should thank us for it' arrogance from WotC.

Edit: Found one of the references I was thinking of:

WotC wrote:

January 8, 2007

Q: Out of curiosity: What are Magic cards really made of? Often I am met with, "Why do you waste money on these pieces of cardboard?" or "You're buying paper!". Things just don't add up, it's not paper, it's not cardboard, what is it? I must know!
--Alex
Norwalk, CT

A: From Jane Flohrschutz, Stephanie Sharp, and Gretchen Tapp, Wizards of the Coast Production Team:

You can tell your friends that it's very special paper with an extra special filling. A Magic card is made up of three separate parts, two sheets of paper and a mysterious center layer (and we can't tell you what the center layer is made of so don't ask). The paper stock that we use is made of specific materials specially created for Wizards of the Coast products. All areas of production are controlled – how the paper is made, how it is stored and shipped, even how long the paper has to wait after it comes off the trucks before it can be printed, in order to have the paper acclimate properly. At all times the paper is under very tight quality controls from when it is made to when it is in the players' hands.

A thought: Maybe it's a trade secret of Carta Mundi instead.


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I've got thousands of WotC minis, and hundreds of metal minis already. Most of the metal ones are still unpaited, because I just don't have the time. Therefore, my vote is:

1st choice: Pre-painted plastic - I'd be glad to switch product lines, if the products were as good and in the same general price range. (By "same" price range, I think mainly of the Uncommon and Rares costs - I'd buy an unusual pre-painted monster for the same $5 to $10 as I pay for a WotC Rare from Ebay, but I'd hope most would come in cheaper.

2nd choice: Unpainted (either material) - Sprues of plastic minis for commons (a set of 8 goblins, for example), similar to what the old Talisman boardgame used. AND plastic or metal unpainted for some of the unique critters.

But I'd probably only fill in what I couldn't already match from my existing mini collection.

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Unfortunately I feel like Paizo needs to do something a tad different if they want to stick out in the mini market. If they make metal minis they will be compared to Reaper or any of the vsast number of quality metal mini producers. If they go with prepainted plastic they will be compared to WOTC's minis(and Paizo all but said that this option is almost undoable). The Sprue mounted hard plastic minis would get them compared to Games Workshop/Warhammer minis, BUT I think if they do differing colors of plastic for different types, and up the detail level slightly they could really create a niche for themselves. High detailed, cheap plastic minis with a themed color scheme would make them their own market (somewhat) and would reduce the comparisons to either WotC or Reaper in quality.
My 2

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Lisa Stevens wrote:


So, I have a question for you regarding Pathfinder minis. Would you (and anybody else can chime in too) be interested in minis if they were the traditional metal, unpainted sort? I can get that kind of mini done MUCH faster than trying to go the prepainted plastic route.

-Lisa

I *much* prefer the "good ole" metal mini's!!

The few (very few) prepainted plastics used in our group look really bad! Out of the box all of the swords & other pointy bits were bent & attempts to fix them led to cracked paint. And the paint commonly missed the feature it was aimed at. All round low quality.

*PERHAPS* WotC fixed these issues later (these were bought early in the pre-painted offerings), but we've not bothered to risk investing in any others to find out.

I'm not against plastic as a material - some of the GW plastics are VERY detailed. That's great. It's the cheap looking paint AND poor details that make us avoid the D&D Minis. And the cost. And the random boxes.

PLEASE don't release the mini's in random packs. I really hate that! I'm ok with having certain ones only available through the GameMastery sets (get the mini's with the adventure), but just don't randomize.

Thanks for asking for our input! Your company really understands customer relations!

Kevin.

p.s. I also like the new goblins, especially the backstory stuff! And I also keep thinking "crud, I gotta wait until September?!?!"


The goblins are indeed awesome. I didn't think D&D could do interesting goblins, but colour me impressed.

I don't collect minis, however.


FWIW I strongly prefer plastic prepainted minis (non-collectible!).


okay, so i would go for a pre painted mini if there were lots of them, with dynamic poses. no random! i don't buy the dnd minis because of that. you don't know what you're getting, and most of the time you can't even use them, or have to proxy if you run out. (is that a bullywug or a sahuagin? i'll use this lizardman to represent the yuan-ti, etc.) uggghh.... and the paint jobs. i just won't go there. if that's your thing, great. me, not so much.

so if you are going to do minis, make sure to get good sculptors, put 4 or 6 in a blister or a box of 10, for a good price and i'm sure they'll fly off the shelf. people want value and quality. since you've given them both with this new direction, keep it up.

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I'd buy either Metal or plastic... I may not be the best at painting but it's not that hard. I also don not like the random aspect of the DDM packs. The only DDM's I have are the singles I buy from Paizo or Ebay. I'd also say do it like Rackham as their mini's are fantastic!

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Fake Healer wrote:
Unfortunately I feel like Paizo needs to do something a tad different if they want to stick out in the mini market.

Having seen the metal minis Paizo has already produced I think they already stand above many of the minis out there in quality if not selection. On top of that I've seen nothing like the Complete Encounters anywhere else in the d20 market. So if they needed to create a niche they may already have one especially if they start making the Complete Encounters tie into the stand alone adventures and the Pathfinder series.


I've been thinking a little bit more about the miniatures...

I'm currently looking for a new set of miniatures for my PCs and monsters and nobody is selling what I would want to buy, which is unpainted metal miniatures, either single-part or multi-part, with the following qualities:


  • Nobody is selling nicely sculpted, fantasy miniatures with modern D&D looks (some people call it dungeon-punk). Something in the style of Wayne Reynolds drawings but for PC classes.
  • It's almost impossible to find modern D&D halfling miniatures (not barefoot, not fatty).
  • It's very difficult to find properly scaled elves.
  • It's very difficult to find properly sculpted half-elves.
  • It's almost impossible to find nicely sculpted goblins, kobolds, orcs and half-orcs. (Hope the Varisian goblins are done by Paizo sooner than later9

As you see, the main problems are proper scale and modern characterization. Most of the miniatures available are done for the AD&D days. So no hairy orcs, no 5' elves, horrible floppy boots everywhere, 80s hair-styles, and so on.

So, it would be a nice niche for Paizo to provide spectacular modern metal miniatures, similar to what they have done for Ptolus that cover what GMs and players are really needing. Less completely nude succubi (one would be nice, for Scuttlecove) and more variety covering the standard character classes and races that make most of the encounters during a campaign.

That would be an ideal solution and I will be willing to buy the whole range as it is released. In the meantime I'll keep using home-made counters to represent the monsters and the PCs in my campaign. My opinion is that with artists like Wayne in touch, you can strike gold with a good line of RPG minis. My hope is that the world of Varisia becomes the Greyhawk of the 21st century.

My 2¢

Pssst, We also want the new fiery kobolds of Crown of the Kobold King.


I don't buy minis, so I've no interest in Paizo producing them. But, when I saw the goblins in the blog, I could only think "Hell yes!" Excellent job, Paizo and Wayne Reynolds! I don't know whether to cuddle or run screaming from those freaky bastards.

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Lisa Stevens wrote:
So, I have a question for you regarding Pathfinder minis. Would you (and anybody else can chime in too) be interested in minis if they were the traditional metal, unpainted sort? I can get that kind of mini done MUCH faster than trying to go the prepainted plastic route.

YES! Please, God, no more crappy plastic minis! As I'm sure my order history will show you, I only work with pewter minis. I've never bought the plastic WotC minis and never intend to. I have yet to paint any of my minis (though I plan to get around to it.... someday) but I would much rather have a nice, detailed, unpainted pewter mini than a cheap plastic one that has been colored for me.

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Okay, here's a thought.... Maybe we can have our cake and eat it, too.

IF, the minis can be done in plastic, and IF the possibility of prepainting can be done, how about sell separate sets. Unpainted, unassembled and on the sprue for those of us that dig the painting. And prepainted, ready-to-go sets for those who either don't have the time nor space, or are too lazy to paint minis.

The unpainted/unassembled minis would be either cheaper or come in greater quantities than the prepainted figs, but the prepainted minis could come in "adventure packs" keyed to different themes ("heroes," "goblins," "demons," etc.) and/or different Game Mastery and Pathfinder adventures.


David Lazaro Saz wrote:

I've been thinking a little bit more about the miniatures...


  • Nobody is selling nicely sculpted, fantasy miniatures with modern D&D looks (some people call it dungeon-punk). Something in the style of Wayne Reynolds drawings but for PC classes.

Actually, I think that Werner Klocke's miniatures (many of which are produced by reaper) are very similar to wayne Reynold's Artwork.

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Lisa Stevens wrote:

So no promises on prepainted plastic, but if there is enough interest in the unpainted metal minis, I think we can get those done rather quickly.

-Lisa

Count me in. Like many others on these boards, I prefer to paint my own minis unless I'm in a rush or can't find a fig more appropriate to an enemy than one of the plastic variety.


I'm not that into minis cause they take up storage and become just another thing I have to bring to the game table along with all the books, maps, dice, etc.

I would be interested in perforated cutouts in the actual Pathfinder book itself with illustrations of the monster they are fighting in that issue. I don't know how much extra that would cost for printing, but it would be cool.


King O' Cthulhu wrote:
this is the pic of the goblins

Thanks! They do look awesome. I never liked how goblins were orange. These guys look pretty much how I imagine goblins, though in my mind their heads aren't quite so footballish. Oh wait... now they are.

windnight wrote:


  • Nobody is selling nicely sculpted, fantasy miniatures with modern D&D looks (some people call it dungeon-punk). Something in the style of Wayne Reynolds drawings but for PC classes.[/list]
  • Actually, I think that Werner Klocke's miniatures (many of which are produced by reaper) are very similar to wayne Reynold's Artwork.

    I agree, I think Reaper's Dark Heaven Legends series (and Werner Klocke's minis in particular) is looking more and more like the modern fantasy anime-ish aesthetic that is D&D now works with. Privateer are good too, but they have Iron Kingdoms already.


    David Lazaro Saz wrote:

    If you produce metal unpainted minis I'll be buying all of them as soon as they'll be available (including costs of shipping to Europe) directly from your store so you can keep most profits.

    I don't like pre-painted plastic minis at all. And only will be buying them if they are either very, very good or can be easily repainted and converted. Something that can be easily done with the current crop of D&D minis from Wizards of the Coast.

    Loads of goblins and the iconics are a must! The hinted giants can be something of a problem, but as it is very difficult to get good giant minis, it could be nice to see some of them.

    Here here! I for one love to paint a mini to fit what I think a PC looks like in my mind, especially my own characters. My vote would be for unpainted metal, as long as they have distinct features, I'm tired of mashed faces.

    Scarab Sages

    Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

    I work for a company that uses injection-molded plastic parts. When we pay for tools to be made in Taiwan, they are relatively inexpensive-- $2,000 to $10,000, but our parts are larger and far less detailed than a miniature would be. If you could get a mold with multiple cavities, like 8 to 10 miniatures on a sprue, for $10,000, then you would need to sell several thousand shots to pay off your mold. To keep prices low and make any money, you would probably need to sell tens or hundreds of thousands of miniatures from the mold.


    Lisa Stevens wrote:


    So, I have a question for you regarding Pathfinder minis. Would you (and anybody else can chime in too) be interested in minis if they were the traditional metal, unpainted sort? I can get that kind of mini done MUCH faster than trying to go the prepainted plastic route.

    Yes. I love my Ptolus dwarven rifleman from you guys, in all his unpainted glory.

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    1st: I immediately replied as soon as I saw Lisa's reply to Locke. So, if this has been discussed in length apologies for having been too excited to read it all and jumping to the end.

    The questions: Would I want to see Pathfinder miniatures that would be representative of new stylings? Like those goblins Wayne has envisioned? Just like that? With possibly ogres in future, or miniatures for every adventure in the adventure path? ( I made that last bit up but if only)

    YES! Gah! Don't tease me. Seriously, the book plus PDF if you subscribe was my dream, or so I thought. This would be unreal.

    Would I want them to be metal so I could paint them and even convert them myself?

    You mean I could get to paint them as well? *passes out*

    Okay, I know most can't paint well but I like metal miniatures and I know plastics can cost a fortune to get up and running thus small runs are usually metal, and thus not pre-painted by some halfwit with a broom rather than a brush. But...

    I am a miniatures freak, I can't help myself :) Blame Airfix models. Damn, this would be amazing if it happened. I am realistic enough to accept that a market of one is not going to be sustainable :) If you did it might upset Reaper though (in regards to my customer relationship with them). Maybe a survey to see if it is commercially viable with your customer base?

    One think though. No random. When you buy a new car it is not a random colour, or with random features. I like to know exactly what I am getting, particularly when the fretsaw and pin drill come out for some butcheri...I mean converting.

    For the record I spend about $5000 a year on miniatures (depends what has been released), and have been since I was 20 (obviously was not as mucg before that due to financial restrictions). My games cellar (basement) looks like a world of fantasy and sci-fi meeting violently in miniature. Again I know I am not your usual demographic.

    PS regarding the initial point to the thread I too love these goblins, but only platonically.

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    I would prefer PLASTIC PAINTED/UN-PAINTED.

    Pros (for me): Weight, durability, easy to transport, use out of the box, large to colossal minis much more table friendly.

    I used to paint minis myself back in the day but don’t have the time. I have collected a large number of miniatures from the D&D Miniatures line to fill in most adventure needs but now spend my time buying singles from ebay or trading to fill in the gaps for specific campaigns. I'm currently gathering miniatures for the Age of Worms adventure path so that each NPC has its own figure.

    I understand plastic minis are more expensive to produce but they last longer than metal minis. Many times have swords been broken on the table, paintwork chipped by uncaring players handling the minis, and the costs of the undercoats, brushes, paints, and gloss can escalate too.

    Perhaps Paizo could support the cost of the minis by inventing their own miniatures game like wizards have done to attract a new customer into buying the minis?

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    So, Lisa, any thoughts on which way you are leaning, given the feedback from this board?


    Quote:

    Goblins chew and goblins bite,

    Goblins cut and goblins fight,
    Stab the dog and cut the horse,
    Goblins eat and take by force!

    Goblins race and goblins jump,
    Goblins slash and goblins bump,
    Burn the skin and mash the head,
    Goblins here and you be dead!

    Chase the baby, catch the pup,
    Bonk the head to shut it up!
    Bones be cracked, flesh be stewed,
    We the goblins—you the food!

    ----

    What my character had to say:

    "Goblins die and goblins cry,
    Goblins bleed and then retreat,
    Take their scalps and ban their smell,
    Goblins yell and... Go to hell!"

    Currently playing a Wilderlands scenario that bears suspicious similarities to what I hear about the Runelords adventure...

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    I would prefer prepainted plastic miniatures if they were of the Heroscape quality (rather than the D&D minis).

    As my life has less and less time to dedicate to the activities surrounding gaming, I've grown to appreciate these slightly less awesome, but time-saving gaming tools.


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    Lisa Stevens wrote:
    Would you (and anybody else can chime in too) be interested in minis if they were the traditional metal, unpainted sort?

    Yes please! As a Warmachine player, I'm used to and spoiled by pewter minis, and if those blobby messes that WOTC puts out are any real measurement of the limitations of pre-painted minis, then by god metal minis look better too.

    Actually, I don't know how you Paizo folks are set up for minis production, but you just might consider calling up Privateer Press and see if they'd be interested in producing those - god knows they've got more than a little experience with the things.


    I would definitely spring for the minis if they did anything like what Hat is doing. ~$4.00 buys a small box of 24 unpainted plastic minis, technically in 1/72 scale, but a goblin would come out fine.


    Shifting gears slightly -- love the new blog post . . .can't wait for goblins to attack my PC's with dogslicers (yes I know they are likely daggers or short swords mechanically, but the flavor, people, the flavor!) Very cool.

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    Ivid wrote:


    What my character had to say:

    "Goblins die and goblins cry,
    Goblins bleed and then retreat,
    Take their scalps and ban their smell,
    Goblins yell and... Go to hell!"

    Currently playing a Wilderlands scenario that bears suspicious similarities to what I hear about the Runelords adventure...

    Awesome. Simply awesome. There's plenty of room for other goblin songs, so if anyone gets to feeling musically inclined we'd love to hear your lyrics.

    Contributor

    I can feel a CD coming here:)


    cthulhudarren wrote:
    FWIW I strongly prefer plastic prepainted minis (non-collectible!).

    I also prefer these, however with the decrease in my gaming budget (thanks to higher costs for Pathfinder and all those really tempting Gamemastery adventures) I would lean towards the least expensive. I don't mind painting them.

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    Lisa Stevens wrote:
    Locke1520 wrote:
    Speaking of the new goblins...How long before we can get our hands on goblin minis? Perhaps a Complete Encounter with a typical goblin warren or some such thing?

    Hey Locke:

    So, I have a question for you regarding Pathfinder minis. Would you (and anybody else can chime in too) be interested in minis if they were the traditional metal, unpainted sort? I can get that kind of mini done MUCH faster than trying to go the prepainted plastic route.

    And on the topic of prepainted plastic, I wouldn't rule them out, but if we can find a cost effective way to do them, it could take six months or more to get them done. And frankly, we don't have a clue on how to get them done, so there is a certain amount of research we will have to do to figure out how to do them economically.

    So no promises on prepainted plastic, but if there is enough interest in the unpainted metal minis, I think we can get those done rather quickly.

    Thoughts?

    -Lisa

    would MUCH prefer unpainted metal minis...

    No offense to anyone but those prepainted plastic ones bite. I just hate those things.

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    Lisa Stevens wrote:
    Locke1520 wrote:
    Speaking of the new goblins...How long before we can get our hands on goblin minis? Perhaps a Complete Encounter with a typical goblin warren or some such thing?

    Hey Locke:

    So, I have a question for you regarding Pathfinder minis. Would you (and anybody else can chime in too) be interested in minis if they were the traditional metal, unpainted sort? I can get that kind of mini done MUCH faster than trying to go the prepainted plastic route.

    And on the topic of prepainted plastic, I wouldn't rule them out, but if we can find a cost effective way to do them, it could take six months or more to get them done. And frankly, we don't have a clue on how to get them done, so there is a certain amount of research we will have to do to figure out how to do them economically.

    So no promises on prepainted plastic, but if there is enough interest in the unpainted metal minis, I think we can get those done rather quickly.

    Thoughts?

    -Lisa

    Well I'm not Locke but...I would so buy metal mini's. I've been painting metal miniatures for about 20 years now. In fact i'm working on my goblin ninja minis now. I know plastic prepainted are easier but for me personally it's just cheating.

    SO do you guys do mini's in house or do you work with other companies to produce them? One thing that I would suggest is some mob packs. Would make putting hordes of goblins and kobolds together alot easier. Maybe packs of 5 or so. Just an idea.

    I'm getting more and more excited about Pathfinder by the day! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

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    DitheringFool wrote:

    I have NO interest in miniture figure games. However I use little plastic prepainted minis in my games as a replacement for the metals becuase (1) a lot of metal is heavy and (2) I have even less time to paint them than I have creative talent to make them look nice.

    The thing that irratated me about WotC minis is that they are for their own game first and D&D second (if only by chance). They will never make a set of commoners but can you see how useful that would be when setting up a tavern scene?!?

    Anyway, I would not be interested in metal ones. I would be very interested in OGL D20 -centric plastic prepainted ones.

    I would prefer metal still but...I will say that I agree with DF here. IF you choose to go with plastic don't do the randomized packagin. They would need to packaged in a more usefull manner. Packs of commoners, hordes of goblins etc. Reaper has a new line of prepainted plastic minis coming out. I havn't seen them yet but they are packaged in blisters like their metal minis. They are not randomized. Just a thought.


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    I will take what ever Paizo decides to put out either plastic or metal. I own alot of both, most of the metal one's a unpainted. Have them from goblins,orcs to all the way up to Huge Dragons! Most of the metal one's are Reaper, like them the best. The plastic are the DDM one's (since I also do not have the time to paint) I like to collect them both and use them in my DND roleplaying games. Even have a few of some of the old Ralpartha Dragons. Would like to see if you could possibly work something out with Reaper to do a line of figures together. Just my 2 cents. GOOD LUCK on whatever you decide to do!


    Lisa Stevens wrote:
    So, I have a question for you regarding Pathfinder minis. Would you (and anybody else can chime in too) be interested in minis if they were the traditional metal, unpainted sort?
    Tars Tarkas wrote:
    A pack or two of the new Pathfinder metal Goblins would be great, and I would love to paint them!

    Is there any update on Pathfinder Goblin minis? (Or any other Pathfinder miniatures?)


    Lisa Stevens wrote:


    So, I have a question for you regarding Pathfinder minis. Would you (and anybody else can chime in too) be interested in minis if they were the traditional metal, unpainted sort? I can get that kind of mini done MUCH faster than trying to go the prepainted plastic route.

    So no promises on prepainted plastic, but if there is enough interest in the unpainted metal minis, I think we can get those done rather quickly.

    Thoughts?

    -Lisa

    That'd rawk, I love/loathe this malevolently adorable little beasties. In a blister pack of say 6 - 10 or so for a reasonable price and I'd get a few - Pathfinder's goblins do stand out from the tame ones in the SRD. Unpainted pewter woould be fine in my book. I wouldn't paint them - don't have the time - but I might hunt down some one who could do them up as depicted in the artwork for them.

    If you can get a CD compilation of the Goblin songs (or a bundled .wmv file for download for a few bucks or something) that'd also kick butt. I know someone on the boards has done at least one of the songs already... a little modulation-editing to achieve a more gobliny vocal pitch and you may well have a cult classic on your hands.

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    Lisa Stevens wrote:
    Would you (and anybody else can chime in too) be interested in minis if they were the traditional metal, unpainted sort?

    Oh yes! Definitely! Pointy metal goblin minis - fantastic!

    And if you do choose to go the plastic route then please, not random!

    Scarab Sages

    Nivek wrote:
    The few (very few) prepainted plastics used in our group look really bad! Out of the box all of the swords & other pointy bits were bent & attempts to fix them led to cracked paint. And the paint commonly missed the feature it was aimed at. All round low quality....I'm not against plastic as a material - some of the GW plastics are VERY detailed. That's great. It's the cheap looking paint AND poor details that make us avoid the D&D Minis. And the cost. And the random boxes.

    This has been my experience, too.

    Our group uses WOTC minis, for convenience, but we don't have to like them. The problem with them is that they don't use 'plastic' as I understand it, but more like 'rubber', which is useless for long, thin details, such as weapons.

    This is more a problem with the Good factions in the WOTC sets, since they tend to be small-medium PC-types, who rely on weapons, staves, banners, etc. The Evil factions have more large figures and wild beasts, so they can get away with thicker, more stable limbs. A tentacle; well, that's supposed to be bendy, but when a blade or haft is shaped like a banana, the figure is pretty much unusable without converting, which negates the whole point of ready-to-go figures.

    I have also had several figures that would not stand upright at all. One Elf bard-type had ankles only 1mm thick, so was bent 90degrees from the base, and no amount of clamping and heating could 'cure' it back to the correct angle.

    One also just does not need multiple copies of PC-types.
    Militia/henchmen - yes
    Maybe a double at most, for dopplegangers/Projected Images.
    But what irks me, is that, despite the hundreds of minis produced so far, there are still so many gaping holes in the possible PC/NPC figure options, FOR WOTC OWN GAME!

    Where are the dwarven druids & bards?

    Why can we not have a half-orc wizard, who isn’t a feral beast?

    Where are the mounted figures? (yes, OK, but one or two don’t count).

    Instead, we get useless, deformed, badly-daubed crap like Order of the Bow Initiate!
    Apart from the quality of workmanship, it’s a totally pointless figure, being yet another ‘elf with bow’. As if we can’t find another thousand sculpts on the same theme?

    And that's a Rare?

    GGAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

    {goes to stick head in fridge…}

    Scarab Sages

    AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
    That's better!

    Back on topic; plastic would be fine with me, as long as it was the hard styrene (?) that GW/Zvezda/Italeri etc use for their kits.
    The great thing about that stuff is that it is super-convertible; it can be cut, filed, and stuck back together to match the image in your head. If you use poly cement, it actually melts the surfaces, and welds the parts together for a stronger bond.

    I've made the mistake of buying some other firms' products, and the plastic is a waxy type, which turns stringy if you attempt to file it, and refuses to accept paint (spray, acrylics or oils). WTF?!?!

    If you make the goblins in grey plastic, then painting is not much of an issue; just paint on some thinned-down black/brown for shading, buff with a cloth, and hey, presto, virtually done! Just paint on some pants (or not...?), some dots for eyes, and some metal for their dogslicer, and that's the lot! You could do 50 or so in a night!

    Scarab Sages

    It may be a nice idea to make the iconic cover stars, maybe as a set of 6 (or 7; was Karzoug a bonus?). I don't know how many groups are planning to use them as pre-gen PCs, but that is an option they have been presented as, and if the idea is for players to get straight into the action, this would ensure it was even easier, eliminating the need to trawl the net for figures to stand in for them.

    I'd get a set, just for the fact that they're based on the art of Wayne Reynolds, who apart from being a great artist <ignore Talkeddung's trollpost>, is a fellow Yorkshire chappy, and has proved a total gent, on the occasions I've bumped into him, and put up with my stupid questions.

    Apart from that, I wouldn't waste time creating a line of 'adventurer' types, except for iconic clerics of Golarion faiths, especially where said faith has a non-standard favoured weapon (scimitar? star-knife?).

    The real focus should be on new campaign-specific creatures, and any OGL creatures whose appearance has been radically changed.

    Given that this could be a massive undertaking to do every creature, nation or faith; what we board-members could set up is a new thread specifically to alert our fellows to existing manufacturers who already produce figures with the correct anatomy, iconography and equipment, both to help spread the word on cool sculptors, and to prevent Paizo (or their potential business partners) having to 'reinvent the wheel', which I regret, seems to happen far too often with new figure companies.

    In fact; so as not to miss the boat (like I did with my suggestion for a Non-Generic Cleric), I'll do it right away!

    The Exchange

    I would love to see a line of minis come out for this series! I prefer the plastic prepainted only because I tend to run out of time when it comes to painting them plus I pretty much suck at it too. :-)

    However, like most, I would be happy with whatever Paizo puts out.

    Thanks for asking!

    Wayne

    Liberty's Edge

    Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

    For right now, this gnome (of all things) isn't too far off from the PF goblins.

    With that in mind...

    I would LOVE a few unpainted metal or plastic Paizo goblins. And, as other people have requested, minis of characters/monsters unique to Golarion. You guys aren't getting enough of my money yet- there's still plenty more to send. :)

    Paizo Employee CEO

    Hey y'all:

    We aren't quite ready to announce the details yet, but I saw some pretty nifty pictures of some greens (miniatures sculptors do their sculpts in this green material) and I was pretty darn excited. In the not too distant future, we will have unpainted metal miniatures of our iconics, the Pathfinder goblins, and other cool villains and monsters from the series. If the quality of these miniatures is any indication, you guys are going to love them. Expect some more info in a week or so.

    -Lisa

    Grand Lodge

    Lisa Stevens wrote:

    Hey y'all:

    If the quality of these miniatures is any indication, you guys are going to love them.

    -Lisa

    I hope you're working with Reaper on this. Not only do they make some of the best (if not the best) minis out there, but their offices and warehouse are only about a mile from my house :)


    Lisa Stevens wrote:
    We aren't quite ready to announce the details yet, but I saw some pretty nifty pictures of some greens (miniatures sculptors do their sculpts in this green material) and I was pretty darn excited. In the not too distant future, we will have unpainted metal miniatures of our iconics, the Pathfinder goblins, and other cool villains and monsters from the series. If the quality of these miniatures is any indication, you guys are going to love them. Expect some more info in a week or so.

    Thank you for the fantastic response, Lisa!

    I'll be watching for the information on the new Pathfinder minis!

    Dark Archive

    Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

    Sweet... Pathfinder Goblins... now if only one of them was crunching on some identifiable doggy treats it would fit just fine.

    For me at least. I do so love freaking my players out so I told them that they hate dogs and horses so much they eat them. After a brutal cooking if possible or if not then a quick bite for the nasty things.


    Sounds cool, although I don't have much time to paint minis anymore. I haven't really collected minis since the mid 80's. All of mine were at a friends house when he decided to join a new church. The pastor came over to his house and told him demons were inhabiting the minis. My friend melted all of them.

    Scarab Sages

    Rune Scryber wrote:
    Sounds cool, although I don't have much time to paint minis anymore. I haven't really collected minis since the mid 80's. All of mine were at a friends house when he decided to join a new church. The pastor came over to his house and told him demons were inhabiting the minis. My friend melted all of them.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Couldn't they have dunked them in 'holy water' <cough...>?

    Seriously, though, it's amazing how these clowns claim to have a hotline to The Almighty, yet can't seem to perform a simple exorcism?

    That would trigger my bvllsh1t detector, straight away...

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