Rise of the Runelords: Forgotten Realms


Rise of the Runelords

Liberty's Edge

All right, I wasn't sure if I wanted to switch over from a Dragon subscription I renewed less than a week ago...! But, I haven't been led astray by Paizo yet, so I'm going to give it a shot (plus the idea of being a special Charter Subscriber is too cool for words).

While I might very well start a new party in the new campaign world, my groups are pretty exclusive to the Realms. I just want to make sure that there will be an opportunity to do conversion notes and ideas here...I've really come to enjoy the appreciate the notes for the AoW and Savage Tide.

Looking forward to seeing what Paizo can do when they're totally unleashed.

Liberty's Edge

I think it's been stated that Paizo will not be able to do conversion notes to other "official" campaign settings. That said, these message boards will exist to serve as a forum for us gamers to come up with feasible and functional conversions on our own.

Historically, I haven't found conversions too difficult on my own. If you are familiar with Forgotten Realms and read through an adventure, then you can probably envision a location in the Realms that works.


Without being an official Paizoian of any kind, I would have to agree that there will not be any official conversion notes. Because Paizo no longer will hold a license of official D&D content I don't think they can provide anything that references official content (like Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms or Eberron).

Sean Mahoney

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2013 Top 4, RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16

Of course as prolific as the authors are on these boards it's not too much of a stretch for them and us to reply to a thread saying if I were to play this in the Realms I'd put it here...

This is just an open forum to discuss the games...

Liberty's Edge

Yeah, that's what I was saying, really, that maybe there could be a single go-to thread for conversions. A dozen different threads going all over the map made trying to keep up with FR advice in the Age of Worms a challenge. It's not so much that I can't convert on my own, but I'd hate to make assumptions about something that turns out to be so far off base as to make me do twice as much work when, say, volume 3 comes out because I took things in the (subjectively) wrong direction in volume 1. We'll see. Like I said, I might just go with the new world after all.


I'm sure some of the fine folks who frequent Candlekeep will also have ideas about how to convert Pathfinder to the Forgotten Realms.


David E wrote:
I'm sure some of the fine folks who frequent Candlekeep will also have ideas about how to convert Pathfinder to the Forgotten Realms.

Gear are already turning . . . I love giants . . .

Contributor

Saurstalk wrote:
I think it's been stated that Paizo will not be able to do conversion notes to other "official" campaign settings. That said, these message boards will exist to serve as a forum for us gamers to come up with feasible and functional conversions on our own.

You're absolutely right. While it's nothing that we can print, there's tons of Realms, and Eberron, and Greyhawk, and Mystara, and Kalamar, and Known World, and... (etc etc etc) fans out there and on these very boards. Any thoughts you have on converting the material in Pathfinder to your favorite campaign setting will always have a home here, and I'm sure you'll be able to get tons of feedback from lots of fans (probably even a few members of the Paizo staff too, depending on what campaign setting you play in).

But, we'll try to make it easy on everyone by making our world so awesome you won’t have to convert, you’ll just wanta play there. ^_~

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I for one would be very happy to answer any questions on how to best convert to Eberron if someone is interested in doing so...and between the rest of the authors and Lords of Paizo, and the excellent excellent fanbase here, I'm sure questions can be accommodated on any open forum.

Sovereign Court

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


You're absolutely right. While it's nothing that we can print, there's tons of Realms, and Eberron, and Greyhawk, and Mystara, and Kalamar, and Known World, and... (etc etc etc) fans out there and on these very boards. Any thoughts you have on converting the material in Pathfinder to your favorite campaign setting will always have a home here, and I'm sure you'll be able to get tons of feedback from lots of fans (probably even a few members of the Paizo staff too, depending on what campaign setting you play in).

That's the one really sad thing for me - Paizo being denied access to official D&D conten (rule expansions, campaign settings, D&D exclusive monsters).

My group is exclusively FR, too, so I don't have any chance of switching. I wouldn't want to, either (considering the load of FR books I accumulated during the last years).

A forum like this one will be fine.
One primer helping to convert pantheon and most regions from one campaign setting to another would be optimal.

And as I asked before: If Erik Mona tries to get a Greyhawk licence.
Isn't there a chance after all to get a D&D licence (like e.g. Kenzer & Co. managed to do)?

I'd like to see all those fine D&D supplements (complete series, races series, spell compendium, book of vile darkness, and most notably the monster series (book of aberrations, fiendish codex etc.) being used in future paizo products, too. If it is not a 100% D&D licence, can't there be a differen agreement between WotC and Paizo?

All in all it is strange to imagine that Erik Mona won't be able to use the very book (fiendish codex) in Pathfinder which he wrote for WotC.

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


But, we'll try to make it easy on everyone by making our world so awesome you won’t have to convert, you’ll just wanta play there. ^_~

I know that I will make use and convert everything being usable in FR, but I won't switch settings.

The Exchange

Nicolas Logue wrote:
I for one would be very happy to answer any questions on how to best convert to Eberron if someone is interested in doing so...and between the rest of the authors and Lords of Paizo, and the excellent excellent fanbase here, I'm sure questions can be accommodated on any open forum.

I'm up for helping with this venture as well :)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Guennarr wrote:
All in all it is strange to imagine that Erik Mona won't be able to use the very book (fiendish codex) in Pathfinder which he wrote for WotC.

True... but he also helped write Green Ronin's "The Book of Fiends." And when Erik and I were working on "Fiendish Codex I" (and also when I've been writing the Demonomicon articles for Dragon), we were very careful to not invalidate anything in "The Book of Fiends" with what we were writing. They work quite well, hand in hand.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that "The Book of Fiends" is OGL, and we can certainly use that in our products. It's probably my favorite OGL book, actually... it's a close tie with Matt Sernett's "Advanced Bestiary" and the Tome of Horrors I.


James Jacobs wrote:
Anyway, what I'm saying is that "The Book of Fiends" is OGL, and we can certainly use that in our products. It's probably my favorite OGL book, actually... it's a close tie with Matt Sernett's "Advanced Bestiary" and the Tome of Horrors I.

Would it be reasonable then to suggest that any new obyriths you have kicking around in the demonic recesses of your mind that don't make it into the last few issues of Dragon and Dungeon may show up as qlippoths in future Paizo products?

Grand Lodge

I actually am starting to work out tie-ins with my current FR campaign set around Silverymoon. Once I get my hands on the first, it should be easier to make conversions. I know Lady Alustriel had a spell battle with a mage named Shallos Ethenfrost when she took over leadership of Silverymoon. He may very well fill the role of the BBEG in this AP. Time will tell.

P.S. Why don't I show up as a Charter subscriber? I switched over both Dragon and Dungeon subscriptions and get the first 5 epsiodes with my transfer.

Sovereign Court

I also love the world of Toril, and in the future will probably use a lot of Pathfinder information to use in a FR campaign. However, I'm also interested to see how the new world turns out; the cosmology, the deities, the way magic is drawn upon, etc. If these important details come to my tastes (or perhaps inspire an entirely new and intriguing alternative to my traditional perspectives), I'll look forward to populating Paizo's creation with my PC's.

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I'll certainly join any conversion discussions.

--Eric


Eric Boyd wrote:

I'll certainly join any conversion discussions.

--Eric

And since Eric was the one doing official conversion for the AP's, we really won't see a difference :)


Every forgotten realm book written...check! A kazillion minis...check! All the dice I could ever need cuz I love pretties...check! Whelp, looks like I can be all done with Wotc. I'm pretty sure the people at Paizo will, as usual, blow us away with their talent, and the small detail of converting to our own favorite worlds will be but a tiny price to pay for such fantastic work. And if i get into a snag, I can turn to this wonderful Paizo community I didn't even know existed until just recently. Pathfinder here I come!


Eric Boyd wrote:

I'll certainly join any conversion discussions.

--Eric

Eric, I notice the title of Pathfinder Subscriber or Pathfinder Charter Subscriber is conspicuously missing from your title. I am assuming you will rectify that soon so you can remain the ultimate source of FR conversion for this campaign.

(just giving you a bad time)

Sean Mahoney

Contributor

Sean Mahoney wrote:
Eric Boyd wrote:

I'll certainly join any conversion discussions.

--Eric

Eric, I notice the title of Pathfinder Subscriber or Pathfinder Charter Subscriber is conspicuously missing from your title. I am assuming you will rectify that soon so you can remain the ultimate source of FR conversion for this campaign.

(just giving you a bad time)

Sean Mahoney

:-)

Contributor

Huzzah and three fine cheers for Mr Boyd!

Liberty's Edge

Eric Boyd wrote:

I'll certainly join any conversion discussions.

--Eric

...aaaaaand my ulterior motive for starting this thread has been a success!


Ok, its been a while and now we have a map. Looking at the Varisia map I cannot see any obvious places to fit in the Runelords story in Faerûn.

The closest I see is that if I swap Sandpoint with Starmantle a lot of pieces seem to fit somewhat:
The climate may fit. There are lots of woods and mountains. Sandpoint seem like an isolated city state with not nation-strength neighbors. Shaar is far away, but close enough to be used if the plateau is a major point in the story.

Any ideas?

Sovereign Court

Snotlord wrote:

Ok, its been a while and now we have a map. Looking at the Varisia map I cannot see any obvious places to fit in the Runelords story in Faerûn.

The closest I see is that if I swap Sandpoint with Starmantle a lot of pieces seem to fit somewhat:
The climate may fit. There are lots of woods and mountains. Sandpoint seem like an isolated city state with not nation-strength neighbors. Shaar is far away, but close enough to be used if the plateau is a major point in the story.

Any ideas?

Thanks for "resurrecting" this thread!

I am not that sure and I propose that we wait one more week until we see what the city layout will be like.

As a different note: Magnimar is supposed to be the Free City, which could be translated as City of Greyhawk (GH) or Waterdeep (FR), couldn't it?

Another obvious choice would be that any swamp region in the very south of the map would correspond to Chult. (But then arrows in the south eastern corner of the map hint that there is even more land to the south which would invalidate Chult). You see, it's not easy to say anything for sure yet.

In general it is still quite difficult to transfer the map to the FR. The "hinterlands" are considerably smaller, but then it was already hawked that this is just a fragment of the "whole map" yet to come. Best choice is likely to follow the path given by Paizo, i.e. gradually developping the world adventure by adventure.

And something else which bothers me, too:
Who would be the Runelords in FR?
Netherese Wizards? (unlikely)
An even older culture?
Are there any old, mishappen monuments like the face pyramid in Faerûn?
Who are their builders in FR?

Greetings,
Günther

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