
VerBeeker |
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Yeah… having read those, there were definitely some factions of Dwarves that wanted to wipe out the Orcs, hell, the Quest for Sky was a series of resettlements, pushing Orcs and other other folk out of their lands and then moving on once again, it wasn’t some cut and dry thing.
If there had been any attempts for peace at any point, the continued shifting of borders in the favor of the Dwarves quest certainly helped nothing.

Master Han Del of the Web |
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Well, that's the thing about genocide. You don't need everyone on board, you just need enough people on board.
Sprinkle in a bit of Manifest Destiny (Torag charged us with this holy task!) and add a dash of othering (Orcs are so savage and never surrender!) and I doubt the average dwarf is going to look too closely at the latest military 'victories' that just so happen to wipe out entire orc tribes.

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keftiu wrote:The orcs of Avistan being in no small part a product of an ancient dwarven genocide of their people isn't new lore, but it's been more thoroughly explored with Lost Omens: Legends and Sky King's Tomb in 2e.I seriously doubt that the dwarves ever had genocide in mind in their battles with the orcs. The dwarves were on the Quest For Sky, a quest set for them by their god, Torag. The orcs were just in the way, and reacted violently to the dwarves' appearance. If they'd just stood aside and let the dwarves pass through, there would probably never have been one battle, let alone many. But they're orcs. Orcs don't stand aside, ever.
"It wasn't genocide, they just killed the people whose homeland they were marching through because they believed it was holy and just, driving them from it almost completely" is a pretty absurd take. LO: Legends and Sky King's Tomb make it very clear in-setting that a growing number of dwarven voices consider the Quest for Sky as such - why disagree?

Ed Reppert |
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Seven Doors To Seven Rooms Of Thought
1. Accept the statement of eminent authority without basis, without question.
2. Disagree with the statement without basis, out of general contrariness.
3. Perhaps the statement is true, but what if it isn't? How then to account for the phenomenon?
4. How much of the statement rationalizes to suit man's purpose that he and his shall be at the center of things?
5. What if the minor should become major, the recessive dominant, the obscure prevalent?
6. What if the statement were reversible, that which is considered effect is really cause?
7. What if the natural law perceived in one field also operates unperceived in all other phases of science? What if there be only one natural law manifesting itself, as yet, to us in many facets because we cannot apperceive the whole, of which we have gained only the most elementary glimpses, with which we can cope only at the crudest level?
And are those still other doors, yet undefined, on down the corridor?
-- Mark Clifton, Eight Keys to Eden, 1960
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Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal |

I suspect it's more that Orc dinner parties definitions of fighting during dinner parties differ somewhat from other peoples.
'If no clerics/healers were needed to get everyone back upright, was it really a fight? Or was it just the appetizer?'

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VerBeeker wrote:Also the Matanji from the Mwangi Expanse, come to think of it.Evan Tarlton wrote:I'm thinking that there will be representation from the Pathfinder Society and the Knights of Lastwall, and possibly the Magaambya. The Firebrands and Hellknights wouldn't be too much of a surprise. For nations, Oprak and New Eurythnia are basically guaranteed, and I think that a surprise emissary from Highhelm might also show up. Said emissary might be carrying a most unusual message from a king long dead...That would be from Dongun Hold more likely, wouldn't it?
That's the group I'd be most interested in seeing send a group of ambassadors. A bunch of demon-sorcerer orcs *who are good guys,* hell yes.
OTOH, given where they live, and their previous ties to the Whispering Tyrant, it would make sense that the most common sorcerer theme in Belkzen would be undead... It's literally the most common of the 'types,' far more so than fiendish or draconic or fey or whatever.
If orcs touched by undead influences in Belkzen could be harnessed to 'fight the corruption with it's own power' the same way as the Matanji sorcerers do with demonic influence, that could be neat.

mikeawmids |
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Just finished reading the adventure. I am impressed. This actual feels like the start to an epic quest, and I am excited to see how the rest of the AP pans out. Minimal padding and pointless crap. A manageable number of well-defined NPC companions.
Congratz to authors Brian Duckwitz and John Compton on writing what looks to be a pretty great adventure.

willfromamerica |
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I do really like this from what I’ve read of it, but by the gods, does every adventure path need to start with a festival? In just the past year or so, that’s been the hook for Sky King’s Tomb, Wardens of Wildwood, Season of Ghosts (this one was a bit different of course), and now this AP.

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What’s wrong with waking up next to total strangers with missing time and bright blue tattoos, i ask you?
Hey now, Gatewalkers is getting a hardcover reprint next year!