Pathfinder Adventure Path #152: Legacy of the Lost God (Extinction Curse 2 of 6)

So you fight another circus made up of celestial creatures in book 2?

Storywise "Age of Ashes" seems interesting to me, but so far neither book 1 nor 2 of "Extinction Curse" interest me, nor does battling Troglodytes.

This volume could be interesting for people interested in catfolk however.
Maybe it is possible to play one as part of the circus-troupe?

"This adventure also includes information about catfolk of Golarion and the villainous xulgaths."

Are we getting xulgaths as a playable race alongside the catfolk? *-*

I do think xulgaths are kinda underrated :D So yay for xulgath screentime

"This adventure also includes information about catfolk of Golarion and the villainous xulgaths."

Are we getting xulgaths as a playable race alongside the catfolk? *-*

Playing a xulgath in this AP will probably be as inappropriate as playing a hobgoblin in Ironfang Invasion.

And of course this will become an issue again...

I do think xulgaths are kinda underrated :D So yay for xulgath screentime

You should enjoy the backmatter, then! I wrote a fair number of words about 'em :)

CorvusMask wrote:

I do think xulgaths are kinda underrated :D So yay for xulgath screentime

You should enjoy the backmatter, then! I wrote a fair number of words about 'em :)

Woohoo!

I'm just happy to have more catfolk info for those PCs that love cats.

OF which I am not one of them...

I'm just happy to have more catfolk info for those PCs that love cats.

OF which I am not one of them...

I do love cats, but I'm not really found of the catfolk. I hope 2E has a good approach on their appearance and lore.

Thomas Seitz wrote:

I'm just happy to have more catfolk info for those PCs that love cats.

OF which I am not one of them...

I do love cats, but I'm not really found of the catfolk. I hope 2E has a good approach on their appearance and lore.

More Carolina Eade pleeeeeeeease :3

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

I'm just happy to have more catfolk info for those PCs that love cats.

OF which I am not one of them...

I do love cats, but I'm not really found of the catfolk. I hope 2E has a good approach on their appearance and lore.

More Carolina Eade pleeeeeeeease :3

Umm, but Carolina Eade's style is universal in all of her art

Like, only thing that makes her Catfolk's different physically from elf characters is that they have fur and ears <_<; So I'm bit confused about what you mean

Rysky wrote:

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

I'm just happy to have more catfolk info for those PCs that love cats.

OF which I am not one of them...

I do love cats, but I'm not really found of the catfolk. I hope 2E has a good approach on their appearance and lore.

More Carolina Eade pleeeeeeeease :3

Umm, but Carolina Eade's style is universal in all of her art

Like, only thing that makes her Catfolk's different physically from elf characters is that they have fur and ears <_<; So I'm bit confused about what you mean

>_>

Shush

CorvusMask wrote:

Rysky wrote:

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

Thomas Seitz wrote:

I'm just happy to have more catfolk info for those PCs that love cats.

OF which I am not one of them...

I do love cats, but I'm not really found of the catfolk. I hope 2E has a good approach on their appearance and lore.

More Carolina Eade pleeeeeeeease :3

Umm, but Carolina Eade's style is universal in all of her art

Like, only thing that makes her Catfolk's different physically from elf characters is that they have fur and ears <_<; So I'm bit confused about what you mean

>_>

Shush

Still unsure what you meant since her design for catfolk is pretty standard catgirl design, unless you mean the really flexible part? Or if you just wanted her to return to make new catfolk art piece?

Like, I'm pretty sure the thundercats styleish catfolk in Shattered Star was inspired by the bestiary art, but lot of people's comments on that version was that they preferred bestiary version. Its not really unlikely that fans of Carolina Eade's piece will not like any similar design done in other artstyles if the what they liked was her style in the first place.

On side note, I'm pretty sure we are returning to catgirl catfolks because that is creative director's preference and they are using edition change as chance to redesign different designs, but I'mma not gonna be satisfied until I get mah cat people race back(heck this would refer one of my crimson throne party's members technically non canon.) :p So in other words, we better have multiple cat ancestries

Yes I want to see more of Eade's art, and her's was the first image of Pathfinder Catfolk I and a lot of others saw.

As for the variances between Catfolk I believe they've said they like having them all look different (Elder Scrolls does the same thing with Khajit) rather than just having one defined look, this would open up the avenue for Ancestry/Heritage options.

(The shush was a play on what the catfolk was doing in the pic but also because you claimed her's just look like elves with fur and cat ears)

Yes I want to see more of Eade's art, and her's was the first image of Pathfinder Catfolk I and a lot of others saw.

As for the variances between Catfolk I believe they've said they like having them all look different (Elder Scrolls does the same thing with Khajit) rather than just having one defined look, this would open up the avenue for Ancestry/Heritage options.

(The shush was a play on what the catfolk was doing in the pic but also because you claimed her's just look like elves with fur and cat ears)

Oh oki

I think JJ commented in one thread that saying the catfolk had different appearances was giving up and now they have chance to do it right this time <_<

(Well, she IS lithe like elves, though I guess their spines don't bend like that :p But yeah I admit on exaggerating there, I still suck in articulating and am not sure how to communicate the "I don't really know how her version of catfolk really differs from other humanlike cat people")

Rysky wrote:

Yes I want to see more of Eade's art, and her's was the first image of Pathfinder Catfolk I and a lot of others saw.

As for the variances between Catfolk I believe they've said they like having them all look different (Elder Scrolls does the same thing with Khajit) rather than just having one defined look, this would open up the avenue for Ancestry/Heritage options.

(The shush was a play on what the catfolk was doing in the pic but also because you claimed her's just look like elves with fur and cat ears)

Oh oki

I think JJ commented in one thread that saying the catfolk had different appearances was giving up and now they have chance to do it right this time <_<

(Well, she IS lithe like elves, though I guess their spines don't bend like that :p But yeah I admit on exaggerating there, I still suck in articulating and am not sure how to communicate the "I don't really know how her version of catfolk really differs from other humanlike cat people")

Because of her style.

CorvusMask wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Yes I want to see more of Eade's art, and her's was the first image of Pathfinder Catfolk I and a lot of others saw.

As for the variances between Catfolk I believe they've said they like having them all look different (Elder Scrolls does the same thing with Khajit) rather than just having one defined look, this would open up the avenue for Ancestry/Heritage options.

(The shush was a play on what the catfolk was doing in the pic but also because you claimed her's just look like elves with fur and cat ears)

Oh oki

I think JJ commented in one thread that saying the catfolk had different appearances was giving up and now they have chance to do it right this time <_<

(Well, she IS lithe like elves, though I guess their spines don't bend like that :p But yeah I admit on exaggerating there, I still suck in articulating and am not sure how to communicate the "I don't really know how her version of catfolk really differs from other humanlike cat people")

Because of her style.

Well yeah, but they can't have her do every single catfolk art in the future. Thats kinda the thing what I articulated badly in the first place, I don't really see what makes the catfolk of her style more unique than elf of her style as well in way that other artists could replicate it.

Rysky wrote:

CorvusMask wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Yes I want to see more of Eade's art, and her's was the first image of Pathfinder Catfolk I and a lot of others saw.

As for the variances between Catfolk I believe they've said they like having them all look different (Elder Scrolls does the same thing with Khajit) rather than just having one defined look, this would open up the avenue for Ancestry/Heritage options.

(The shush was a play on what the catfolk was doing in the pic but also because you claimed her's just look like elves with fur and cat ears)

Oh oki

I think JJ commented in one thread that saying the catfolk had different appearances was giving up and now they have chance to do it right this time <_<

(Well, she IS lithe like elves, though I guess their spines don't bend like that :p But yeah I admit on exaggerating there, I still suck in articulating and am not sure how to communicate the "I don't really know how her version of catfolk really differs from other humanlike cat people")

Because of her style.

Well yeah, but they can't have her do every single catfolk art in the future. Thats kinda the thing what I articulated badly in the first place, I don't really see what makes the catfolk of her style more unique than elf of her style as well in way that other artists could replicate it.

I don't really know what to tell you if all you see is an elf there.

I like the expressions, the flexibility, the languidness.

CorvusMask wrote:

Rysky wrote:

CorvusMask wrote:

Rysky wrote:

Yes I want to see more of Eade's art, and her's was the first image of Pathfinder Catfolk I and a lot of others saw.

As for the variances between Catfolk I believe they've said they like having them all look different (Elder Scrolls does the same thing with Khajit) rather than just having one defined look, this would open up the avenue for Ancestry/Heritage options.

(The shush was a play on what the catfolk was doing in the pic but also because you claimed her's just look like elves with fur and cat ears)

Oh oki

I think JJ commented in one thread that saying the catfolk had different appearances was giving up and now they have chance to do it right this time <_<

(Well, she IS lithe like elves, though I guess their spines don't bend like that :p But yeah I admit on exaggerating there, I still suck in articulating and am not sure how to communicate the "I don't really know how her version of catfolk really differs from other humanlike cat people")

Because of her style.

Well yeah, but they can't have her do every single catfolk art in the future. Thats kinda the thing what I articulated badly in the first place, I don't really see what makes the catfolk of her style more unique than elf of her style as well in way that other artists could replicate it.

I don't really know what to tell you if all you see is an elf there.

I like the expressions, the flexibility, the languidness.

Umm, ye kinda miss what I meant. I don't mean that catfolk looks like elf, I meant that the catfolk has lot of the same physical traits that all characters she draws have.

So if artist that wasn't her would have to design the same catfolk, what traits would be in both versions?

Anyway, I don't really like continuing this tangent because I really suck in articulating what I mean >_<;

Sorry, as for other artists designing the same traits, what I brought up, the expressions, the flexibility, and the languidness.

There was an illustration of a catfolk on the Character Options panel at PaizoCon and it didn't look like the "catgirl" style, but rather looked more like the Khajit from Elder Scrolls indeed.

There was an illustration of a catfolk on the Character Options panel at PaizoCon and it didn't look like the "catgirl" style, but rather looked more like the Khajit from Elder Scrolls indeed.

Hmm, so either the curse of artists doing their own thing or maybe they changed their mind about changing the "varied appearances" thing

Unless that was old 1e art?

Is that Camila Cabello on the cover?

Is that Camila Cabello on the cover?

Perhaps Shawn Mendes will be on the next cover and they can sing Señorita. :)

The Gold Sovereign wrote:

"This adventure also includes information about catfolk of Golarion and the villainous xulgaths."

Are we getting xulgaths as a playable race alongside the catfolk? *-*

Playing a xulgath in this AP will probably be as inappropriate as playing a hobgoblin in Ironfang Invasion.

And of course this will become an issue again...

This is absolutely true. But the difference is we had rules for playing hobgoblins when Ironfang Invasion was out, so it would be possible for someone to come to the AP with a hobgoblin character made entirely with Paizo rules.

We don't have rules for playing xulgaths (that is, troglodytes), and this adventure path won't provide them, so people are vanishingly unlikely to come into this with a xulgath character ready to play.

As with hobgoblins in Ironfang Invasion, paladins in Skull & Shackles, or other "off-message" character choices in our other APs, it's not impossible to play a xulgath in Extinction Curse, but it would require a whole lot of work by the GM and player.

I guess that mean fourth book's xulgath themed rules are something weirder than ancestries or that it got changed to something else during development? :'D

I think I might of missed it, but Who is writing this one :)

I guess that mean fourth book's xulgath themed rules are something weirder than ancestries or that it got changed to something else during development? :'D

Rules can be lots of things! Items, spells, rituals, or anything else! We've never intended to provide xulgath ancestry rules in any volume of this AP, but we'll have plenty of goodies that heroes of any kind can use.

I think I might of missed it, but Who is writing this one :)

Jenny Jarzabski, and she did a fantastic job with it!

The info on the cat folk should be interesting

This product page has been updated to showcase the awesome cover art!

Awesome it is indeed! Look at that catfolk!!! <3

DAMN.

Ah, so thats why info on catfolk

I guess this the most placid expression ever seen on Amiri's face. They must be looking at something REALLY weird.

SQUEES Kitties!

Mungojerrie And Rumpelteazer we're a notorious couple of cats! As knockabout clowns, quick-change comedians tight-rope walkers and acrobats!

Ugh! I REALLY dislike the approach Paizo has taken with the appearance of the Catfolk. It is the same as every other RPG out there with cat people. Stick a cat head, tail, and claws on a furry human body and call it done.

The original Bestiary entry for them in 1st edition was awesome and way more original! Not human, but the posture in the illustration really emphasized the cat-like bone structure and carriage and didn't use a simple cat head, but rather a blend of human-like and cat-like features. It felt way more authentic to me. All the Catfolk illustrations since that initial one in the Bestiary seemed lazy and unoriginal to me. I had hoped that 2E would redesign them and approach them with a new, more original vision, making it more unique for Pathfinder 2E for their appearance, since they were doing that with many of the other races in the 2E core book.

Oh, well.

I'm not sure how catgirls are more original :p I've seen that design way more times in comparison to be honest

Also, ever since artists kept always changing their design, official catfolk lore has been that they look like anything

I think this take, the ringmaster up top, is a rather originaler take than most. The only other cat-catfolk I know of are the Khajit from The Elder Scrolls.

For car girls and the like hopefully they’ll update the Wilding Feats to P2 soon.

I'm not sure how catgirls are more original :p I've seen that design way more times in comparison to be honest

Also, ever since artists kept always changing their design, official catfolk lore has been that they look like anything

I never said anything about "catgirls" and I was speaking of RPGS and video games where I keep seeing cat-heads. Besides, I have only ever seen cat girls in Anime, which is usually just a non-furry person with claws, ears, and a tail, which is just as bad as what I was disparaging. The original Bestiary image had those things with fur, whiskers, and most importantly captured a cat-like predatory movement and posture.

All I was saying is that I wanted something more original and unique - which also excludes catgirls. That was implicit in my original post when I stated, "I had hoped that 2E would redesign them and approach them with a new, more original vision, making it more unique for Pathfinder 2E for their appearance, since they were doing that with many of the other races in the 2E core book." I shouldnt of had to come out and say that.

Besides, I have only ever seen cat girls in Anime, which is usually just a non-furry person with claws, ears, and a tail, which is just as bad as what I was disparaging.

The original Bestiary image had those things with fur, whiskers, and most importantly captured a cat-like predatory movement and posture.

All I was saying is that I wanted something more original and unique - which also excludes catgirls. That was implicit in my original post when I stated, "I had hoped that 2E would redesign them and approach them with a new, more original vision, making it more unique for Pathfinder 2E for their appearance, since they were doing that with many of the other races in the 2E core book." I shouldnt of had to come out and say that.

Kinda, yeah.

"I want something original" is completely nebulous, there's nothing to gleam from it.

I mean, its still catgirl even if it has more fur. There are multiple variants of that design too. Also isn't that design D&D 3.5 catfolk from races of wild had?

I did understand what you meant, but thing is that both designs are canon to Pathfinder and that it itself isn't "more original", its one you prefer yeah, but its not objectively better.

As long as we're not getting Cats cats, I'm good...

I'm hoping catfolk can have some player prospects, as a treat.

As long as we're not getting Cats cats, I'm good...

Yeah, the trailer for that movie gave me the Willies...

The idea of watching that movie terrifies me more than any of my childhood traumas ever did.

"I want something original" is completely nebulous, there's nothing to gleam from it.

Yes, I concede that it is nebulous, but what I am trying to get at is that I was hoping Paizo would put their own stamp of originality on it, like they have with the new design of Dwarves, Orcs, Elves, Gnomes, Leshy, and Goblins - especially since most of these designs have come about or been doubled down on in 2E. I am alluding to the interview that Wayne Reynolds did at the GenCon panel last year where he discussed redesigning those races or, if not the changing races themselves in the transition from 1E to 2E, emphasizing a more racially-tied aesthetic to their clothing and equipment. I was hoping for something more along those lines for the Catfolk, too. Basically, I am simply expressing a desire for more creativity with a Paizo stamp on it rather than copying something I have seen far too many times before from non-Paizo sources.

I mean, its still catgirl even if it has more fur. There are multiple variants of that design too. Also isn't that design D&D 3.5 catfolk from races of wild had?

I don't remember what was in Races of the Wild. That was too long ago for me to recall what their catfolk looked like, then, since I know I never used that book; much less if I even ever owned it or read it. So, I cannot address that point one way or the other until I get a look at it sometime.

I did understand what you meant, but thing is that both designs are canon to Pathfinder and that it itself isn't "more original", its one you prefer yeah, but its not objectively better.

I never claimed was objectively better. From the moment of my very first post on this thread I was only ever stating my preferences. Isn't that what all of us are doing?

As far as both designs being canon, I am unfamiliar with that. Can you please direct me to a source? I admit I have not necessarily read everything on the subject published by Paizo, but I have read those that I am aware of. But, if both designs are canon, then why do we only ever get art of cat-heads in every Paizo book with Catfolk that I have ever seen, with the exception of the one piece of art that I have mentioned previously? Or can you point me to more?

Hopefully, the art inside this book will have something different from what I am seeing on the cover as far as Catfolk representation, especially, if they have an article on the Catfolk and if both types of Catfolk are canon.

There is also the thundercats looking catfolk in shattered star.

But yeah inner sea races(I think, might have been other book, but I'm pretty sure it was that one. It even has one catfolk picture in the end that looks like cross between the more humanoid face and cat face in kinda uncanny way iirc) made it canon that catfolk have weird family dynamic where one sibling can look much more human than the other one.

Shattered Star? I haven't read that one. I'll check it out.

I don't remember seeing a picture of one in Inner Sea Races, but I'll take another look in that book, too. I'll have to re-read the entry in that book, too, since I don't recall the family dynamic thing. Thanks.

I think the one I'm thinking of was in the end where there are those "cards" that have small mugshot and race's traits? Assuming my memory works at all