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At that point its nice to have the players work hard to get things going, put time and effort into knowing their benefactor so when she gets her soul taken, the players actually feel the effect. the players have also just come back from axis, so the fact that they have come back from extra planar adventures to arrive back in the middle of this worst case scenario, they are likely not taking any nonsense from the society, the people thinking you killed the princess(likely because of some illusion used by the assasins), and when the emperors are raising hell, your more than willing to stomp on them. at that point, its kind of expected that things will get ugly.
and after all that... well your either going to retire nobly to a lavish lifestyle, or continue on to ensure the nation you spent so long working towards stays around. after all, cheliex is likely to try and kick new taldor while its down and outside forces are going to mess with them.
I really want to run this adventure path.

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Now, I don't mean to seem overly pessimistic regarding the leadership abilities of Princess Eutropia, but does seem that the villains got a point here. It stands to reason that, seeing as Taldor was founded slightly under 6 millenia ago, that there has been many so many rulers of the empire that the title of "Greatest Emperor(s) of Taldor" has some rather stiff competition. I am sure her qualities as a ruler are up to a high standard, but I don't know whether they are up to the "greatest-leader-in-the-six-thousand-year-long-history-of-one-of-the-greate st-empires-of-all-of-Golarion" standard, a criteria that her opposition meets by default.
Just my 2 CP, though.

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Now, I don't mean to seem overly pessimistic regarding the leadership abilities of Princess Eutropia, but does seem that the villains got a point here. It stands to reason that, seeing as Taldor was founded slightly under 6 millenia ago, that there has been many so many rulers of the empire that the title of " Greatest Emperor(s) of Taldor" has some rather stiff competition. I am sure her qualities as a ruler are up to a high standard, but I don't know whether they are up to the "greatest-leader-in-the-six-thousand-year-long-history-of-one-of-the-greate st-empires-of-all-of-Golarion" standard, a criteria that her opposition meets by default.
Just my 2 CP, though.
Do note that even if they don't come back as undead abominations, the "greatest emperors" might have been sort of like irl great historical figures: Really horrible warmongers and otherwise not really good people who are respected just because they had notable achievements for their country

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Malefactor wrote:Do note that even if they don't come back as undead abominations, the "greatest emperors" might have been sort of like irl great historical figures: Really horrible warmongers and otherwise not really good people who are respected just because they had notable achievements for their countryNow, I don't mean to seem overly pessimistic regarding the leadership abilities of Princess Eutropia, but does seem that the villains got a point here. It stands to reason that, seeing as Taldor was founded slightly under 6 millenia ago, that there has been many so many rulers of the empire that the title of " Greatest Emperor(s) of Taldor" has some rather stiff competition. I am sure her qualities as a ruler are up to a high standard, but I don't know whether they are up to the "greatest-leader-in-the-six-thousand-year-long-history-of-one-of-the-greate st-empires-of-all-of-Golarion" standard, a criteria that her opposition meets by default.
Just my 2 CP, though.
Maybe, but being a good person and being a good ruler often doesn't have much to do with each other.

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Yeah, but being good ruler in your own age doesn't mean you would be good ruler in current age though.
Fair enough, but it will be interesting to see whether the AP addresses what the common folk think about the great hero-kings of old returning to lead in Taldor's hour of need. I can definitely see much of Eutropia's grassroot support dry up in response to this, as many of her former supporters flock to banners of the Legendary Emperors in the belief that they can restore Taldor to the halcyon days of yore. Seeing as they are the villains of the AP, I doubt that it would work out quite so well for them, but then I have the advantage of knowing who the PC's are supposed to stab to death and who they are supposed to help.

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CorvusMask wrote:Yeah, but being good ruler in your own age doesn't mean you would be good ruler in current age though.Fair enough, but it will be interesting to see whether the AP addresses what the common folk think about the great hero-kings of old returning to lead in Taldor's hour of need. I can definitely see much of Eutropia's grassroot support dry up in response to this, as many of her former supporters flock to banners of the Legendary Emperors in the belief that they can restore Taldor to the halcyon days of yore. Seeing as they are the villains of the AP, I doubt that it would work out quite so well for them, but then I have the advantage of knowing who the PC's are supposed to stab to death and who they are supposed to help.
Though I guess that's part of the tragedy of this book. You have legitimised eutropia, worked hard to ensure that even among the outer planes she is cleared to rule. Only to have you return to have your patron slain, her ressurected brother possessed, and a secret society now trying to undo everything you had worked so hard to accomplish. And likely in order to fix this, you will have to kill carrius, who likely is but a pawn in this whole affair. What's worse is that there was little that could be done to avoid this, and yet it also feels like if you had been there to defend her, this may have never happened. But at the very least, your strong enough to ensure that this time, civil war will be avoided if possible.

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It's the last module and high level advancement is always slower in AP's than at the lower levels. It will probably cap out at 18, with level 17 being the last active level and a level up after the final boss fight.

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CorvusMask wrote:Maybe, but being a good person and being a good ruler often doesn't have much to do with each other.Malefactor wrote:Do note that even if they don't come back as undead abominations, the "greatest emperors" might have been sort of like irl great historical figures: Really horrible warmongers and otherwise not really good people who are respected just because they had notable achievements for their countryNow, I don't mean to seem overly pessimistic regarding the leadership abilities of Princess Eutropia, but does seem that the villains got a point here. It stands to reason that, seeing as Taldor was founded slightly under 6 millenia ago, that there has been many so many rulers of the empire that the title of " Greatest Emperor(s) of Taldor" has some rather stiff competition. I am sure her qualities as a ruler are up to a high standard, but I don't know whether they are up to the "greatest-leader-in-the-six-thousand-year-long-history-of-one-of-the-greate st-empires-of-all-of-Golarion" standard, a criteria that her opposition meets by default.
Just my 2 CP, though.
As T'Chaka told his son, "It's hard for a good man to be King."

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So has anyone recieved their subscriber PDF yet?
Shipping begins tomorrow, so nobody has a pdf yet.
July 2018/Gen Con New Releases
I bet Skeld will help us all out tomorrow night. ;-)

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Skeld is always helpful. I just dunno if we'll have this help when PF 2 stuff releases...
The Playtest print stuff will drop around august 2nd for everyone (Amazon will probably ship it 1 or 2 days earlier to some lucky people), maybe probably even Skeld. ;-)
The pdfs will be available for everyone on august 2nd (if the servers don't crash).So Skeld and some lucky subscribers should hopefully have some time until then to enlighten us about the "normal" july products. :-)

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The bestiary has the following creatures:
- Bramble Throne, Huge plant, CR 16
- Corbayrant, Huge magical beast, CR 16
- Grisantian Lion, Huge magical beast, CR 14
- Phylacater Kyton, Medium outsider, CR 18
- Soulpierced, Medium undead (incorporeal), CR 17