Its time for everyone's favorite game—"Guess what Alex Augunas wrote in Divine Anthology!"Some (e.g. Desnan) or all of the divine fighting styles.
1 of 2 sections guessed!
I did some (but not all) of the Divine Fighting Techniques. I didn't do Sarenrae (there wasn't space in my turnover for Sarenrae despite my pleaing, so I'm tickled pink that the developer found a way to include the Dawnflower).
I wrote Desna's Shooting Star, but my version of both the initial and advanced benefits was more conservative. (It was like a starknife-only version of Deadly Aim/Power Attack). My copies didn't ship yet, but the new version sounds more unique and significantly shorter (which I imagine allowed for the new Sarenrae style), so all in all the change sounds like a win for me.
I might ask my Reign of Winter GM if I can pick up Desna's Shooting Star on my Varisian, Desna-worshiping kitsune bard—he's an ace with a bow, but man oh man it would be nice to have a backup melee weapon using my beast Charisma bonus!
EDIT: Also, Sarenrae is my favorite deity. I'm SO happy to hear she made it in during development!
Cool Alex. I'm very glad you got to write some more for this. :) I look forward to reading your contributions when this comes out for public consumption.
Also, crap. I failed at my guess! :P ;)
1) What deities in this book get paladin codes?
2) What is the paladin code of Ragathiel?
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1) What deities in this book get paladin codes?
2) What is the paladin code of Ragathiel?
Hold tightly to your given word.
Turn not a blind eye to wrongdoing.
Rage is virtuous only against the deserving - no disproportionate retribution.
Do not assume evil based on race or origin.
Its time for everyone's favorite game—"Guess what Alex Augunas wrote in Divine Anthology!"Some (e.g. Desnan) or all of the divine fighting styles.1 of 2 sections guessed!
I did some (but not all) of the Divine Fighting Techniques. I didn't do Sarenrae (there wasn't space in my turnover for Sarenrae despite my pleaing, so I'm tickled pink that the developer found a way to include the Dawnflower).
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If you don't mind me asking: why was the Divine Fighting Technique feat changed?
Wait.
Wait.
You are telling me that I can just...
Stack Scaled Fist + Harrow Warden Monk to have a hilarious Starknife Monk that adds CHA to errything? This is too good.
Don't forget Lunar/Nature/Lore Oracles!
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Wait.
Wait.
You are telling me that I can just...
Stack Scaled Fist + Harrow Warden Monk to have a hilarious Starknife Monk that adds CHA to errything? This is too good.
You'd have to break the alignment restriction somehow, since you need to be within one step of chaotic good. Fortunately(?), there's a way: play an agathion-blooded aasimar and take the Enlightened Warrior trait, which will allow you to be neutral good as a monk.
EDIT: Also, both those archetypes replace quivering palm. So no stacking. ^_^
Dammit, so close!
Curiously, that makes Fighter the class that benefits from the feat the most.
...that adds CHA to everything? This is too good.
It is.
Desna's Shooting star has you add CHA to attack and damage INSTEAD of any other ability bonus.
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However, they would have to spend a feat to gain Starknife proficiency, right?...or trait or ioun stone or one level dip or... et cetera. Lots of ways to get weapon proficiency.Can't link on phone, but I would probably use the Varisian Tattoo trait from Varisia: Birthplace of Legends. Starknives and bladed scarves, plus a +1 bonus vs. charm/compulsion.
Good times. ^_^
Ah, I have that book too! I will have to look at it! Thanks Kalindlara!
...that adds CHA to everything? This is too good.It is.
Desna's Shooting star has you add CHA to attack and damage INSTEAD of any other ability bonus.
And it only costs Bards one Versatile Performance! Well, CG bards anyway.
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If you don't mind me asking: why was the Divine Fighting Technique feat changed?Its time for everyone's favorite game—"Guess what Alex Augunas wrote in Divine Anthology!"Some (e.g. Desnan) or all of the divine fighting styles.1 of 2 sections guessed!
I did some (but not all) of the Divine Fighting Techniques. I didn't do Sarenrae (there wasn't space in my turnover for Sarenrae despite my pleaing, so I'm tickled pink that the developer found a way to include the Dawnflower).
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Don't know. I like the new version better though-you shouldn't be able to use the options without actually following the deity. I was surprised that you could.
And it only costs Bards one Versatile Performance! Well, CG bards anyway....that adds CHA to everything? This is too good.It is.
Desna's Shooting star has you add CHA to attack and damage INSTEAD of any other ability bonus.
I wouldn't undercut versatile performance-that ability is amazingly powerful.
I wouldn't undercut versatile performance-that ability is amazingly powerful.And it only costs Bards one Versatile Performance! Well, CG bards anyway....that adds CHA to everything? This is too good.It is.
Desna's Shooting star has you add CHA to attack and damage INSTEAD of any other ability bonus.
Yeah. Taking the level 10 trade (when you've already gotten two Versatile Performances, and it replaces the need for two feats, high Dex, and 11 skill ranks) is a much better deal than just replacing one feat, especially since you can get the feat at first rather than waiting until second.
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I liked the idea that other characters could learn the technique - that it was inspired by the deity, not divinely granted. ^_^
It seems a little odd for a character to just suddenly forget these things if they ever convert to another deity, for example.
While your example is legitimate I'm okay with restrictions as is, helps cut back on the mashup/number filing I've seen (a pet peeve of mine).
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While your example is legitimate I'm okay with restrictions as is, helps cut back on the mashup/number filing I've seen (a pet peeve of mine).I liked the idea that other characters could learn the technique - that it was inspired by the deity, not divinely granted. ^_^
It seems a little odd for a character to just suddenly forget these things if they ever convert to another deity, for example.
Agreed on restrictions. I was just explaining what I liked about the WMH version (which had its own weirdness, in that one-step worshipers didn't qualify).
If it were up to me, I think it'd be a hybrid: correct patron deity OR same alignment. ^_^
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While your example is legitimate I'm okay with restrictions as is, helps cut back on the mashup/number filing I've seen (a pet peeve of mine).I liked the idea that other characters could learn the technique - that it was inspired by the deity, not divinely granted. ^_^
It seems a little odd for a character to just suddenly forget these things if they ever convert to another deity, for example.
Agreed on restrictions. I was just explaining what I liked about the WMH version (which had its own weirdness, in that one-step worshipers didn't qualify).
If it were up to me, I think it'd be a hybrid: correct patron deity OR same alignment. ^_^
*nods*
Maybe they're the martial equivalent of cleric powers?
"Oh, don't worship me anymore? Well then I'm taking mah s@+& back!"
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There are player character Bards that aren't Chaotic Good?And it only costs Bards one Versatile Performance! Well, CG bards anyway....that adds CHA to everything? This is too good.It is.
Desna's Shooting star has you add CHA to attack and damage INSTEAD of any other ability bonus.
That gives me the idea of an omnicidial LG Bard of Ragathiel...
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There are player character Bards that aren't Chaotic Good?And it only costs Bards one Versatile Performance! Well, CG bards anyway....that adds CHA to everything? This is too good.It is.
Desna's Shooting star has you add CHA to attack and damage INSTEAD of any other ability bonus.
My preferred alignment is NG. Perhaps I am in the minority?
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Don't know. I like the new version better though-you shouldn't be able to use the options without actually following the deity. I was surprised that you could.
Why? It makes perfect sense that an individual could study a technique without accepting all of the themes attached to it. How would this be any different from say a Taldan person from Taldor studying a Tien fighting style or even an Osirini one?
It's not an option that adds flavor or fun, but one that instead strips it.
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Don't know. I like the new version better though-you shouldn't be able to use the options without actually following the deity. I was surprised that you could.Why? It makes perfect sense that an individual could study a technique without accepting all of the themes attached to it. How would this be any different from say a Taldan person from Taldor studying a Tien fighting style or even an Osirini one?
It's not an option that adds flavor or fun, but one that instead strips it.
Because allowing a follower of Lamashtu to use sacred techniques of Iomedae is silly. Just as having an Amurican swordsman rock a katana is less silly than having a Catholic Priest exercise yoga in the middle of the mass.
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Not really, no. There are plenty of reasons, like perhaps the Lamashtu follower is trying to infiltrate or pretend to be a loyal follower of Iomedae, or simply, unrelated to their own personal faith has an interest in swordsmanship.
And sure, a Catholic Priest isn't going to do yoga in the middle of a mass, but it's not unreasonable at all for them to have studied or practiced yoga, or even offer free classes for it to their youth groups or families for healthy extracurricular activities. That's not at all unheard of, nor is it unheard of for different religious figures to both study and repurpose another faith's or group's good ideas for their own.
It's also not like yoga is commonly used by the majority of the western population for anything similar to the religious or cultural reasons that yoga was intended for, which kind of seems to prove my point.
One doesn't lose their knowledge of yoga if they suddenly become Muslim, and I wouldn't expect either a devout follower of Lamashtu or Iomedae to exercise Iomedae's Fighting Style in the middle of a ceremony either, with perhaps a very rare exception that's all about fighting with the sword, in which case, well I guess that Lamashtu priest or assistant had better know what they are doing or get outed pretty quick.
Divine Fighting Technique (Combat)
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Although each deity’s divine fighting technique is primarily preserved and passed on by her faithful, worship is not required to learn one. Instead, these fighting styles simply require a certain manner of looking at the world and specific combat training. A god’s divine fighting technique has an initial benefit as well as an advanced benefit available only if you meet certain prerequisites. Any adventurer can learn a divine fighting technique by taking the Divine Fighting Technique feat.
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Divine fighting techniques emulate the martial supremacy and approach to combat of certain gods, but do not generally require users’ interests and goals to be aligned with the techniques’ associated deities.
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Not really, no. There are plenty of reasons, like perhaps the Lamashtu follower is trying to infiltrate or pretend to be a loyal follower of Iomedae, or simply, unrelated to their own personal faith has an interest in swordsmanship.
And sure, a Catholic Priest isn't going to do yoga in the middle of a mass, but it's not unreasonable at all for them to have studied or practiced yoga, or even offer free classes for it to their youth groups or families for healthy extracurricular activities. That's not at all unheard of, nor is it unheard of for different religious figures to both study and repurpose another faith's or group's good ideas for their own.
It's also not like yoga is commonly used by the majority of the western population for anything similar to the religious or cultural reasons that yoga was intended for, which kind of seems to prove my point.
One doesn't lose their knowledge of yoga if they suddenly become Muslim, and I wouldn't expect either a devout follower of Lamashtu or Iomedae to exercise Iomedae's Fighting Style in the middle of a ceremony either, with perhaps a very rare exception that's all about fighting with the sword, in which case, well I guess that Lamashtu priest or assistant had better know what they are doing or get outed pretty quick.
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Except Yoga doesn't give you supernatural abilities.
Sarenrae's Divine Fighting Technique makes your spells Nonlethal and HEALS you when you deal Nonlethal damage with a weapon, these aren't just style and techniques, they are Deity granted mystical abilities.
See the spoiler above.
So you prefer the WMH version and Rysky prefers the DA version? Am I understanding that correctly?
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I can't say as I have not seen the full version from DA and just going off of what is implied here, but the point of Divine Fighting Techniques/Style was to be mundane martial styles that where based up religious outlooks and themes, but didn't require the student to actually follow believe those outlooks to use the style, just a teacher.
I'm also generally against artificial restrictions, and also things like Class/Race only restrictions in general.
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I can't say as I have not seen the full version from DA and just going off of what is implied here, but the point of Divine Fighting Techniques/Style was to be mundane martial styles that where based up religious outlooks and themes, but didn't require the student to actually follow believe those outlooks to use the style, just a teacher.
I'm also generally against artificial restrictions, and also things like Class/Race only restrictions in general.
How is a deity granting their faithful special abilities an "artificial restriction"?
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See in regards to Sarenrae's you're absolutely right Rysky, but I really don't see how Cayden's Blade and Tankard Style is only possible if you worship Cayden, or Erastil's Distracting Shot. Those are purely martial techniques that make no sense as magical.
Of course, I also want Desna's style for my Black Butterfly worshipping Slayer, so maybe I'm biased.
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See in regards to Sarenrae's you're absolutely right Rysky, but I really don't see how Cayden's Blade and Tankard Style is only possible if you worship Cayden, or Erastil's Distracting Shot. Those are purely martial techniques that make no sense as magical.
Of course, I also want Desna's style for my Black Butterfly worshipping Slayer, so maybe I'm biased.
*nods* so it varies between each.
Desna's for example lets you use your Charisma for attack and damage with her sacred weapon, not really a martial explanation for that.
Yeah, I'm actually surprised that Ragathiel's code is so restrained! Maybe Paizo realized that the way he was written he seemed "good in name only"? Or as my friend (who played a Paladin of Ragathiel) called him, "Lawful Good serial killer".
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Yeah, I'm actually surprised that Ragathiel's code is so restrained! Maybe Paizo realized that the way he was written he seemed "good in name only"? Or as my friend (who played a Paladin of Ragathiel) called him, "Lawful Good serial killer".
It makes sense, what with him being an ascended Devil.
"Rage restrained and focused"
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All I know is I agree with Rysky; Don't be a rage induced murder hobo of goodness. It's an oxymoron.
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Don't know. I like the new version better though-you shouldn't be able to use the options without actually following the deity. I was surprised that you could.Why? It makes perfect sense that an individual could study a technique without accepting all of the themes attached to it. How would this be any different from say a Taldan person from Taldor studying a Tien fighting style or even an Osirini one?
It's not an option that adds flavor or fun, but one that instead strips it.
Because I like that they specifically give nice things for worshiping a god to characters that normally derive no benefit from true worship.
Plus the difference between, "I studied in a faraway land to master these fighting techniques," and "I drew upon my religious closeness with my god to emulate my worship and conviction through martial techniques," are quite different.
It seems the Divine Fighting Technique feat in this book is slightly different from the one from Weapon Master's Handbook. I wonder if this intentional, and which version should actually be used?
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It seems the Divine Fighting Technique feat in this book is slightly different from the one from Weapon Master's Handbook. I wonder if this intentional, and which version should actually be used?
It's intentional. They are similar things, but not identical things. Use the version attached to the book from which you took the technique.
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Good to know, but confusing.
Clarification noted. Thank you, sir. ^_^
Warp factor 3, Kalindlara! Let's get that notification to the rest of the fleet! ;)
Well it is Kal, but I mostly meant that after binge watching Star Trek (OS) today. So I have Kirk's voice stuck in my head...
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It seems the Divine Fighting Technique feat in this book is slightly different from the one from Weapon Master's Handbook. I wonder if this intentional, and which version should actually be used?It's intentional. They are similar things, but not identical things. Use the version attached to the book from which you took the technique.
Ah! I got developed by THE James Jacobs?!
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Ah! I got developed by THE James Jacobs?!
I had a similar reaction with Haunted Heroes Handbook. (Also with Paths of the Righteous, but I knew it going in.)
Mr. Jacobs is a delight to work for. ^_^