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Kevin James 289 wrote:Well, for me personally, I have no problem with the Muse art, except for the face. It just looks weird to me.I think it is the way that the shadows makes the bottom of her nose seem to be squared off unless you look closely. Her right hand seems to show a lot of webbing between her thumb and forefinger, too. But then she isn't human. I think the art looks fine.
Shadow on the nose is a bit weird, I admit, and I find the contours of her cheeks (showing her mouth stretched) combine to make her face look a bit flat. Other than that, I was extremely pleased to see an operatic-diva stereotype in the art, so it's a win for me.

Gisher |

Gisher wrote:Shadow on the nose is a bit weird, I admit, and I find the contours of her cheeks (showing her mouth stretched) combine to make her face look a bit flat. Other than that, I was extremely pleased to see an operatic-diva stereotype in the art, so it's a win for me.Kevin James 289 wrote:Well, for me personally, I have no problem with the Muse art, except for the face. It just looks weird to me.I think it is the way that the shadows makes the bottom of her nose seem to be squared off unless you look closely. Her right hand seems to show a lot of webbing between her thumb and forefinger, too. But then she isn't human. I think the art looks fine.
I like the operatic-diva theme too. The Greek-style of clothing is nice. Are any areas of Golarion Greek-analogues?
The glowing, spiraling musical notation is really cool. Would that qualify as a magical staff? ;)
Has anyone tried to play the song?

Mark Seifter Designer |
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Chemlak wrote:Gisher wrote:Shadow on the nose is a bit weird, I admit, and I find the contours of her cheeks (showing her mouth stretched) combine to make her face look a bit flat. Other than that, I was extremely pleased to see an operatic-diva stereotype in the art, so it's a win for me.Kevin James 289 wrote:Well, for me personally, I have no problem with the Muse art, except for the face. It just looks weird to me.I think it is the way that the shadows makes the bottom of her nose seem to be squared off unless you look closely. Her right hand seems to show a lot of webbing between her thumb and forefinger, too. But then she isn't human. I think the art looks fine.I like the operatic-diva theme too. The Greek-style of clothing is nice. Are any areas of Golarion Greek-analogues?
The glowing, spiraling musical notation is really cool. Would that qualify as a magical staff? ;)
Has anyone tried to play the song?
Iblydos is the Greek-ish area (check out Distant Shores for a city there).
As to the muse, her appearance shows up based on a vision of beauty from the viewer, so that's how some mortal she's inspiring (who knows, maybe an opera singer him/herself) pictures beauty. She wound up losing this ability for space (them bard spells take lots of space!), so here's a hidden nugget about muses that might cause you to have an aha moment if you see a picture of a muse who looks pretty different. ;)

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I didn't see any racial ability that gave then prof. with bolas.
Neither did I but if that's the case than the Orang-Pendak presented in here should have a +0 to hit with that bolas. That said, totally would be cool with them getting it, as it stands the special abilities for the Pendak isn't so crazy that they couldn't get a few free proficiencies (thinking like bolas, net, some spear...). I'm actually wondering what the cost of that own two feet ability is in BP since it's a pretty stiff one in the right game.

Myth Lord |

Really sad to see the Demon-AP Putrid OOze make it in over the Curupira, Squonk and Mahaha (and many other AP monsters)...
I mean the book has only 2 fire-based creatures and only 3 cold based monsters, and 3 black ooze monsters, from which I find the Putrid ooze the weakest link.
I mean the Roiling Oil and Gunpowder Ooze are original and have something to add, but the Putrid Ooze is just another acid ooze without very much special about it.

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The cambion demon, the stringy demodand, and the devastator all originate in Wrath of the Righteous. There's also a bunch of reprints from related volumes in the Campaign Setting line - fully 8 of the 16 monsters from Pathfinder Campaign Setting: The Worldwound made it in, and the seraptis demon from the second Book of the Damned is here.

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Thanks for that answer Kalindlara! The extra answer is also very helpful!
I really like the Riftcreeper, Maggot-Thing, Urranag (that living trap) and Warmonger Wasp from the Worldwound, so i'm happy those made it in over the demons, which I never liked that much.
Re-uses that need new artwork in my opinion are: Leechroot / Delgeth / shasalqu / Ved / Giant Scarab / Capramace / Dragonkin / Living Mirage / Stranglereed / Ursikka (more because I want more different artworks of the creature, the other art is also beautiful) / Putrid Ooze / StormGhost (really not my style) / Khala / Lusca (other position) / Devastator / Grim Reaper
All others have great artworks (in my humble opinion) anyway, so I don't mind them using those.

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I don't what they don't like about the older AP volumes but they still have great monsters like the Skirk Nettle, Danse Macabre, Buraq, Blodeuwedd, Stygia, Calathgar, Dweomer Cat, Miengu, Raiju, Gare Linnorm, Hell Gigas, various Oni, and Various Kami.
I'm really surprised they didn't used the Skrik Nette, Raiju, Ammut and Serpopard yet...
I was so certain they would put them in bestiary 5, but instead we get Putrid Ooze lol, the one that I expected least.

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I prefer the AP versions of the monsters, personally. Two pages of details per monster, and Golarion-specific details on them. So the reprints are usually a step down for me.
If anything, I'd love to see that level of detail provided for more creatures. (I still don't have a really compelling reason to use deep ones when I like ulat-kini just fine.)

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I think they re-print creatures so they can also be used by people that can't effort or buy all the AP's.
I don't really mind re-prints, but like Odraude said, I don't want more reprints than new monsters, like 50 reprints from all types of books are enough for me, and also give them new artwork, so people that already know the creatures at least have something new to look about and can see another version of them.

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Is it just me or is the Animate Hair directly lifted from Snake's Hair in the Simpsons Treehouse of Terror?

Nightterror |

Myth Lord wrote:Snake was the character's name, not actual snakes as hair. :)Oh, ok.
Well you said Medusa's Coil and Imbicatus said Snake's Hair, so without having seen the picture I got the feeling the Animate Hair was actually the living wig of the Medusa :-p
Lol, then its coincidence! I couldn't see the picture you posted the link for, as i'm not American? :-p

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Myth Lord wrote:Is the animate hair Medusa based? I thought it was actually an ooze made out of human hair?It is human hair.
The story I mentioned just had a very different interpretation of the legend of Medusa.
I just looked this up and read it for the first time. Not bad for the meat of the story, but damn, I hate having to wade through Lovecraft's racism.

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Imbicatus wrote:Lol, then its coincidence! I couldn't see the picture you posted the link for, as i'm not American? :-pMyth Lord wrote:Snake was the character's name, not actual snakes as hair. :)Oh, ok.
Well you said Medusa's Coil and Imbicatus said Snake's Hair, so without having seen the picture I got the feeling the Animate Hair was actually the living wig of the Medusa :-p
I don't know if This might work for you instead.

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I just looked this up and read it for the first time. Not bad for the meat of the story, but damn, I hate having to wade through Lovecraft's racism.
Is that the one where the horrifying shocker twist ending is that the lady had an ever so slight trace of African ancestry?
Because... yeah.

David Schwartz Contributor |

Is it just me or is the Animate Hair directly lifted from Snake's Hair in the Simpsons Treehouse of Terror?
Not just the Simpson's "Hell Toupee", also the original Amazing Stories' "Hell Toupee" and M.R. James's "The Diary of Mr. Poynter".

Berselius |

I don't what they don't like about the older AP volumes but they still have great monsters like the Skirk Nettle, Danse Macabre, Buraq, Blodeuwedd, Stygia, Calathgar, Dweomer Cat, Miengu, Raiju, Gare Linnorm, Hell Gigas, various Oni, and Various Kami.
Don't worry Dragon-sama. Nobody's ruling them out of an official bestiary appearance yet. Who knows, at the rate Adventure Paths keep pumping monsters out we might get an entire Bestiary full of nothing but revised AP monsters. :D

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CR 1/4: muckdweller, nuno, pyrausta, trilobite, undigested
CR 1/3: flying fox, penguin, seal
CR 1/2: animate hair, astomoi, caligni, deep one hybrid, hobkins, orangpendak, ramidreju, red panda, reptoid, shabti, skinwalker, wizard’s shackle
CR 2: aether wysp, air wysp, apallie, cambion, chuspiki, clockwork familiar, earth wysp, esipil, fire wysp, giant muckdweller, koto-furunishi, liminal sprite, moa, ovinnik, plagued beast horse, plesiosaurus, thought eater, tsaalgrend, water leaper, water wysp, xiao
CR 3: abrikandilu, deep merfolk, digmaul, domovoi, giant assassin bug, giant termite, goliath frog, guardian scroll, hag eye ooze, kawa akago, lamhigyn, medium aether elemental, narwhal, scarab swarm, shasalqu, taxidermic creature, vukodlak, witchcrow, wolliped
CR 4: ahkhat, amphiptere, blood caterpillar, dvorovoi, firbolg, flytrap leshy, gancanagh, gearsman robot, gravebound, gray, heikegani, karkadann, kasa-obake, knight ant, leechroot, reptial, sha, spear urchin, swamp mummy, unfettered phantom
CR 5: blightspawn, boroboroton, brain mole monarch, ceratosaurus, cuero, doppeldrek, frog father, great assassin bug, ichthyocentaur, kaprosuchus, kikimora, large aether elemental, lotus leshy, othaos, polar bear, rope dragon, tizheruk, undigested swarm, uraeus, ved, vescavor swarm
CR 6: bagiennik, chalicotherium, choral, cytillipede, delgeth, emotion ooze, giant scarab, griefgall, grimslake, jungle drake, kurobozu, megapon ant, rhu-chalik, roiling oil, termite swarm, thriae dancer, tiyanak, tulpa, wihsaak, young nightmare dragon, young occult dragon
CR 8: balisse, encantado, dire polar bear, megaprimatus, polong, psychemental, shadow collector, su, urannag
CR 9: ahool, bisha ga tsuku, caller in darkness, dragonkin, giant mantis shrimp, greater aether elemental, kabandha, living mirage, makara, moon dog, pakalchi, stranglereed, vescavor queen, yangethe, young astral dragon
CR 10: adult nightmare dragon, adult occult dragon, cursed king, egregore, ether drake, fext, lead golem, leng ghoul, mummy lord, peuchen, raelis, therizinosaurus, trench mist, ursikka, young dream dragon
CR 11: adult etheric dragon, aerial servant, cameroceras, crystal golem, elder aether elemental, fastachee, myrmidon robot, nulmind, pharaonic guardian, putrid ooze, rat plague swarm
CR 12: amarok, blue whale, exscinder, heresy devil, manu, scitalis, somalcygot, syricta
CR 14: adult dream dragon, death coach, elder deep one, gray goo, gunpowder ooze, rishi manu, sphinx colossus, thriae constructor, wakandagi
CR 15: ancient nightmare dragon, ancient occult dragon, crone queen, isonade, locust plague swarm, moon giant, nemhain, riftcreeper, seraptis, stormghost, stringy demodand
CR 16: ancient etheric dragon, annihilator robot, gegenees, lesser death, maharishi manu, muse, ningen, qolok, sun giant, vilderavn
CR 17: apostate devil, bat plague swarm, cervinal, gate archon, gristly demodand, khala, lusca, ophiotaurus, plankta, wood colossus, wyrmwraith
CR 18: ancient astral dragon, anemos, anunnaki, bone ship, lipika, saxra, twilight pitri, zygomind
CR 20: empyrean, kimenhul, lotus tree
CR 21: glaistig, hundun
CR 22: devastator, grim reaper, solar pitri
CR 23: apkallu
CR 24: danava, shen

pdboddy |

Pdboddy,
I'm pretty sure they covered back towards the 21st/20th page mark.
However I could give you the list again, but I would require if you want true dragons or just creatures with the dragon type.
I did mean the true dragons, but I found it in the spoilers below. Thanks though! :D

Kain Darkwind |

To go back to a theme of a few earlier pages, I'd like to point out that none of Paizo's monsters have ever had a WWII motif. Certainly not those from Rasputin Must Die.
I do find it odd that a megaprimatus is a Gargantuan creature with the strength of a Large sized dire polar bear, and nearly half the HD of a T-rex. Even assuming Kong was an advanced version (since he defeated three advanced Rexs), this seems to be slightly off.
It's four times bigger than a smilodon, but barely stronger and no tougher. A little disappointing.
Anunnaki is probably my favorite. All the aliens are pretty cool, but this guy, especially with the tie-in between them and the elohiim really takes the cake.
I noticed that a lot of the new angels, archons and some other creatures felt familiar somehow...I think maybe taken from Gross or Sutter's Pathfinder novels?
Liked seeing the Elder Deep Ones and firbolgs too.
The bulk of the book is fantastic, although I wouldn't mind seeing at least 1 if not more of the unique demigods in subsequent bestiaries like there were in 4.