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Not to disappoint you too much, but that information is not in the Player's Guide. It is not assumed that the PCs are worshiping the ancient gods.Why have a Campaign Trait that does assume that, then?
The campaign trait was designed for those characters that might want to worship one of the ancient gods - worship being something that is not defined in the rules. In other words, you can have a fighter who worships Ra without needing to know Ra's domains, favored weapons, etc. Just pick a god from Egyptian mythology along with that trait (or even the whole pantheon) and you're good to go. It wasn't really designed for clerics and the like - after all, if you're a cleric of a particular god, you don't really need a trait saying you're a worshiper of that god. That was the intent of the campaign trait, anyway.
We've already established the main gods of the Inner Sea, and we didn't want to add 20 more into the mix without good reason. Hence the assumption that these are old gods, not widely worshiped (but not forgotten either), and less likely to be worshiped by PCs than the core 20 gods.
That being said, and as Adam said, we're looking at getting at least some basic info on the gods of Ancient Osirion out for people before Pathfinder #80, since there is apparently a lot of interest in people playing devoted followers of those gods. :)
Rob if you were playing this AP yourself with friends and had to pick a class what would you play?
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Rob if you were playing this AP yourself with friends and had to pick a class what would you play?
Cleric.
Rob if you were playing this AP yourself with friends and had to pick a class what would you play?
Rogue, going into Arcane Trickster prestige class.
(Though Rob's choice is pretty cool too!)
Rob if you were playing this AP yourself with friends and had to pick a class what would you play?Oracle of stone, going into the Living Monolith prestige class.
That's pretty solid. Wait, with or without a Fez?
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That's pretty solid. Wait, with or without a Fez?Rob if you were playing this AP yourself with friends and had to pick a class what would you play?Oracle of stone, going into the Living Monolith prestige class.
A fez?
With the multitude of awesome hats and headgear Osirion/Ancient Egypt has to offer?
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That's pretty solid. Wait, with or without a Fez?Rob if you were playing this AP yourself with friends and had to pick a class what would you play?Oracle of stone, going into the Living Monolith prestige class.A fez?
With the multitude of awesome hats and headgear Osirion/Ancient Egypt has to offer?
MY HAT IS A GOLDEN EAGLE AND TWO COBRAS BEARING ANKHS ASK ME HOW
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Not to disappoint you too much, but that information is not in the Player's Guide. It is not assumed that the PCs are worshiping the ancient gods. We've talked about getting some basic information out there before Pathfinder #80 comes out to help facilitate this in play, but nothing is decided at this point.
Could a blog post with the minimum flavor and mechanical info needed by PCs work out? (domains, portfolio, general character of the deity summed up in a short phrase?)
Color me really interested in the Golarion take on this pantheon as well. :)
Without.That's pretty solid. Wait, with or without a Fez?Rob if you were playing this AP yourself with friends and had to pick a class what would you play?Oracle of stone, going into the Living Monolith prestige class.
"I wear a fez now, fezzes are cool."
Still no Tuesday blog up yet. Cross those fingers people.
Tuesday blog will be the last round of RPG Superstar, I'm pretty sure.
People of the Sand includes the campaign traits, but there's more to the Player's Guide than that. (Although, to be fair, the traits are the main thing I look for in the Player's Guides.)
If we're lucky, it will be the Thursday or Saturday blog.
Hooray! Thank you Adam! Just in time for people to think about their characters before the adventure comes out!
Agreed. Much appreciated.
ETA of shipping for those of us with a subscription?
ETA of shipping for those of us with a subscription?
Between March 10 and March 21 is the plan, I believe.
Wonderful!
Got some reading to do in the meantime.
My players have been forwarded a link to the Player's Guide and thus character gen can begin.
We have to wait until March 26 for the PDF though, right?
We have to wait until March 26 for the PDF though, right?
Correct.
We have to wait until March 26 for the PDF though, right?Correct.
For us subscribers? (which is what I *think* Fabio's talking about) Unless there's been some major change in when subscriber PDFs are released, the subscriber PDF should be unlocked as soon as the physical book ships.
For us subscribers? (which is what I *think* Fabio's talking about) Unless there's been some major change in when subscriber PDFs are released, the subscriber PDF should be unlocked as soon as the physical book ships.We have to wait until March 26 for the PDF though, right?Correct.
No, not for subscribers—subscribers will get their PDFs when their subscription ships, as always. (I missed the "for those of us with subscriptions" comment. :D ) The 26th is the retail release date, which is the same day that we release our month's releases in digital form for non-subscribers.
Indeed, I'm a subscriber, and I wanted to know when, as a subscriber, the first module would appear in "My Downloads" section :)
So, should expect a shipping notification AND the PDF somewhere between 10th March and 21st? Correct?
Indeed, I'm a subscriber, and I wanted to know when, as a subscriber, the first module would appear in "My Downloads" section :)
So, should expect a shipping notification AND the PDF somewhere between 10th March and 21st? Correct?
Yes, that would indeed be correct. As soon as you get a mail from Paizo titled "Paizo Order #XXXXXXX Shipment," your PDF has been made available for download. :) (XXXXXXX being the order number)
Has this started shipping out to subscribers yet?
Has this started shipping out to subscribers yet?
Shipping starts Monday, barring some catastrophic event in the Paizo warehouse.
Is this showing as 'You Purchased this Product xx date' for anyone? I'd normally expect to see that a few days before shipping is due to start, but it's not up there....
Not for me, but then I don't think all payment authorizations have happened yet. The Lovely Sara Marie mentioned that she'd swing by the Paizo office today (a Saturday!) and wrap up the ahutorizations.
At least some have started. I received my authorization email last night... late last night. It appears the Warehouse, Customer Service, and Web, teams are putting in long hours this week.
Not looking to start an argument. Just looking for some honest information. I cancelled my AP subscription after I felt the shark was jumped with the transgender/homosexual relationship. What sort of similar subject matter exists in this first book. I play these with my kids. Again, just looking for some honest information so I can make an informed decision.
Thanks, Craig
No shark was jumped with the introduction of such subjects though I can understand the difficulty of explaining such things to children. however many children of the newer generations already understand such relationships exists and accept that people have different preferences on who they date. So if you believe your children aren't ready for WotR, wait until they are older and have a better understanding of such relationships (in a hopefully accepting matter).
In the case of this AP, I don't know. But considering that the NPC interaction in more minimal in this AP compared to WotR, you should have little to no problems adjusting this one to children.
Plus, when I was a kid I went through a whole "Ancient Egypt is Awesome!" phase around the same time that "The Mummy" was released with Brendon Fraser, so I think they will enjoy it alot more than I believe they would have with WotR.
Your Welcome,
Sam
Not looking to start an argument. Just looking for some honest information. I cancelled my AP subscription after I felt the shark was jumped with the transgender/homosexual relationship. What sort of similar subject matter exists in this first book. I play these with my kids. Again, just looking for some honest information so I can make an informed decision.
The only folks who have the adventure now are Paizo folks. The order spawn just finished, but pdfs won't be available till product ships, sometime next week. Check back then.
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Not looking to start an argument. Just looking for some honest information. I cancelled my AP subscription after I felt the shark was jumped with the transgender/homosexual relationship. What sort of similar subject matter exists in this first book. I play these with my kids. Again, just looking for some honest information so I can make an informed decision.
Thanks,
Craig
I'm sorry that you felt that they "jumped the shark" by including a relationship that occurs in real life.
If you're hoping that Paizo did not include a homosexual couple in this adventure, you're probably going to be sorely disappointed. The staff have already stated numerous times that these kinds of relationships aren't going to go away any time soon, because those of us on the LGBT spectrum like seeing ourselves in adventures, as do many others.
That said, I haven't received my PDF yet, so I don't know.
I almost forgot about this quote from December:
I can confirm if nothing else that Wati has a genderqueer crimelord.
So I guess you'll have to skip this AP, too, Craig.
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I am curious, why can't you just not tell the kids the information you think is too "adult" for them and still use the adventure for the core stuff like the monsters and maps?
As a long time GM I edit lots of stuff I don't want or add in what I want. LGBT relationships if I were running a game for kids would be easy to cut out.
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Not looking to start an argument. Just looking for some honest information. I cancelled my AP subscription after I felt the shark was jumped with the transgender/homosexual relationship. What sort of similar subject matter exists in this first book. I play these with my kids. Again, just looking for some honest information so I can make an informed decision.
Thanks,
Craig
Dear Craig!
First of all, let me tell you that the fact that you so thoughtfully consider the material that your Little Ones are exposed to is heart-warming and inspiring. Responsible parenthood is a solid foundation that every self-respecting society should be based on and you're making us all proud with your example.
That being said, sadly, I have no access to the adventure at hand. However, in my 7-years long period of being an AP subscriber, I believe I can hazard an assumption that the adventure might include themes such as:
- torture
- murder
- sexual assault
- violence
- racism/speceism
- discrimination
- religious fanaticism
Furthermore, given as the APs assume that the players roleplay a group of characters who specialize in something that some of the uncouth youth lately refer to as "killing things and taking their stuff" and which characters live a lifestyle of what sometimes comes to be known as "murderhobos", you can pretty much assume with a high degree of certainty that the adventure will expect the PCs to commit acts such as:
- killing of other sentient beings (not quite always in self-defence)
- theft
- robbery
- vandalism
- violation of laws
- defiance against authorities
- lying
- forgery of documents
- scamming
- extortion
So to be absolutely frank and honest, I do think that any and all of the above are something one should keep away from young folk who have not fully yet developed the powers of observation, judgement, analysis, abstract thinking and separating reality from fiction. While it is not to say that APs cannot be ran for a group of kids, one could perhaps pause to consider that cauterizing some of the above elements might be a sound move.
However, if you do believe that in face of all this that one single element which possibly makes you reconsider the purchase is inclusion of non-cisgender relationships, well, I'm not quite sure what to say.
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@Gorbacz, all the things you mentioned can simply be solved by the parent making sure to make a serious face, look at his kids dead in the eye and saying, "but remember kids, acting like that in real life is gay".
So really, there isn't much of a problem here.
If as in "Pennsylvania Dutch include the plain folk and the gay folk", sure. ;-)
Did I hear a rumor correctly that we might be getting some early info on Osirian's old gods this week?
Sweeeeeeet.
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We at Paizo strive to be inclusive in our world and our products. LGBTQ characters and relationships have been part of Golarion and the Adventure Path Line since Pathfinder AP #1: Burnt Offerings, and they will continue to be a part of Mummy's Mask and subsequent APs.
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Not looking to start an argument. Just looking for some honest information. I cancelled my AP subscription after I felt the shark was jumped with the transgender/homosexual relationship. What sort of similar subject matter exists in this first book. I play these with my kids. Again, just looking for some honest information so I can make an informed decision.
Hi Craig!
Very strong issues of "kid-friendliness" came up in AP #3, Hook Mountain Massacre. Actually, for that one, it was even a question of "adult-friendliness". In the end, I included that content for my adult gamers. However I am aware of many groups with kids that were able to tone down or ignore the disturbing aspects at issue. Despite being a very strong presence in that module, they had a lot of fun and didn't 'lose' anything for the omission.
I would suggest that anything as narrow as the items you listed in your post should be quite simple to adjust, remove, or just use without in-depth description. From what I have seen in this AP (downloading it earlier today), I think you'd have no trouble doing this.
We at Paizo strive to be inclusive in our world and our products. LGBTQ characters and relationships have been part of Golarion and the Adventure Path Line since Pathfinder AP #1: Burnt Offerings, and they will continue to be a part of Mummy's Mask and subsequent APs.
I hope you succeeded in mixing chliche with some new original stuff there. Those characters could be in a position of power and good from time to time too.
@Majuba: Did you get access to the pdf already today as a subscriber?
I'm an AP subscriber and it's not even showing as pending on my accounts page. Is it pending for other subscribers?
I'm an AP subscriber and it's not even showing as pending on my accounts page. Is it pending for other subscribers?
I'm still waiting for my authorisation email as well though the "Example Subscription Shipping" shows that authorisation is today. No PDF in My Downloads yet.