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To be fair, most of the other half-X races already got books. Aasimar, Dhampir, Tieflings, and Geniekin are getting a book. Fetchlings are all I can really think of that are hybrids that need a book. But yeah, I've been waiting for a Half-Orc book for ages. Favorite race!
Also, hoping for some stuff on Racial Heritage. As a GM, I wish it was a little more limited.
My main interest is the Changeling...which I can't imagine getting a book of their own, and don't fit into the "planes" themed books.
So this was kind of my motivator for this one.
Never had much interest in Half Orcs or Half elves at our table (shrugs)If there is enough Changeling crunch in the book to make it worth the cost, I'll probably still get it....guess I'll wait till people have access to the PDF and see how it pans out.
Way I see it, there's enough hag bloodlines out there now that we could see a Blood of the Witch book, featuring the normal three bloodlines of sea, green, and annis, as well as the night and blood hag. I mean, that's already more bloodlines than the dhampir. I can definitely see it.
I seem to remember seeing a mute hag(Module: The Harrowing), winter hag(B4) and a storm hag(AP#72) as well.
An Elf (or Orc) finds a compatible Human mate, they get married or bond for life, settle down and start a loving happy family in a culturally diverse and accepting community. Are the off-spring still to be thought of as bastards?
No they are not.
Or do all half-elf and half-orc characters have to have a tainted back-story to be interesting?
Nope...just wait for Children of Happy and Well Adjusted Familys of Golarion.
Half-bloods of Golarion would be a better title.
Probably not....Bastard is catchy.
I seem to remember seeing a mute hag(Module: The Harrowing), winter hag(B4) and a storm hag(AP#72) as well.
That's a good point. might have to look for the winter hag. Don't remember it being in B4.
Winter Hag is the last entry in B4. B4 also has the Blood Hag. Don't remember the Mute Hag.
Also, Blood of the Coven is a much more intimidating name than Blood of the Witch.
Covens of Golarion could also be an interesting book ....
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Way I see it, there's enough hag bloodlines out there now that we could see a Blood of the Witch book, featuring the normal three bloodlines of sea, green, and annis, as well as the night and blood hag. I mean, that's already more bloodlines than the dhampir. I can definitely see it.To be fair, most of the other half-X races already got books. Aasimar, Dhampir, Tieflings, and Geniekin are getting a book. Fetchlings are all I can really think of that are hybrids that need a book. But yeah, I've been waiting for a Half-Orc book for ages. Favorite race!
Also, hoping for some stuff on Racial Heritage. As a GM, I wish it was a little more limited.
My main interest is the Changeling...which I can't imagine getting a book of their own, and don't fit into the "planes" themed books.
So this was kind of my motivator for this one.
Never had much interest in Half Orcs or Half elves at our table (shrugs)If there is enough Changeling crunch in the book to make it worth the cost, I'll probably still get it....guess I'll wait till people have access to the PDF and see how it pans out.
Actually, Wes was musing about a book like that on his tumblr page, was calling it Blood of Witches. I have to say a book on hags, changelings, and witchcraft would be the s*!%.
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I'll second calling it Blood of the Coven instead.
Blood of the Coven sounds better, I agree. Either way, good to get this ball rolling over at the Products page.
A book about changelings, hags, and witches would be interesting.
Winter Hag is the last entry in B4. B4 also has the Blood Hag. Don't remember the Mute Hag.
Also, Blood of the Coven is a much more intimidating name than Blood of the Witch.
Covens of Golarion could also be an interesting book ....
The Mute Hag is basically an animated Harrow Card, so that probably wouldn't be a valid bloodline for changelings :P
I'd instabuy Blood of the Coven.
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I agree on Blood of the Coven. Covens have blood, witches have seasons.
Blood of Witchs or Blood of Covens I don't care what they would call it I'll buy it. I think it is weird people get sooo caught up on book titles...
Blood of Witchs or Blood of Covens I don't care what they would call it I'll buy it. I think it is weird people get sooo caught up on book titles...Kretzers of Golarion!
I would sooo buy that book...unfortualy I don't think many other people will. :(
I would sooo buy that book...unfortualy I don't think many other people will. :(
Given the replies.....I'm not so sure about that.
I would love if they did a book on Hags and like beings, and included changeling expansions in it.
We did a game where hag's where described as the debased descendants of primal Norns....it was awsome ;)
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Cruel....so cruel.....
So just how much changeling info is in there ?
And what about non-Half elf/orc races ?
There's not a lot of changeling-specific info. A paragraph and a trait, it seems. That goes for all the non-half-elf/orc races. A total of two pages with each race getting a paragraph and a trait. The rest focuses on half-elves and half-orcs (providing various heritages) and fluff/game mechanics for half-races in general (A Bastard's Origins, The Celebrity, The Illegitimate, The Outcast, The Unfortunate, and Distant Heritages).
Two pages, including a bard archetype (Averaka Arbiter) and a couple of regional traits.
The same goes for Erages. Two pages, including a magus archetype (Greensting Slayer) and a couple of regional traits.
Ogrekin get a brief paragraph in the Distant Heritages section as well as a typical racial trait (natural armor).
Ogrekin get a brief paragraph in the Distant Heritages section as well as a typical racial trait (natural armor).Really just natural armor? They already get that as part of their build.
That's because the 'Distant Heritages' section is a set of guidelines of using the ARG's race builder rules to represent someone with a more diluted non-human heritage. So when we're talking about Ogrekin in this context, we don't mean humans with the full-blown Ogrekin template but someone who's got an Ogrekin parent, grandparent, or great-grandparent. There's a list of suggested traits you incorporate into a human character depending on where their heritage comes from. The natural armor is what someone descended from Ogrekin is likely to have.
While I do like that section (some very... interesting sources of nonhuman heritage), I personally find it to be a little clunky because if you're swapping out existing human racial traits for an equal point value of new traits to represent heritage (which is one of the suggestions), the existing human racial traits come in chunks of either 4 or 1 and a lot of the suggested heritage traits cost 2. So unless your character's family tree is really complicated (which is in-theme for the book), you're going to need a GM willing to let you get a little creative with making up those extra points. Something like swapping out 'Skilled' (4 RP) for a 2 RP trait to represent heritage and then, say, the 'Skill Bonus' trait (2 RP). But that might be a better discussion for its own thread.
what are the new heritages for Half-Elves and Half-Orcs?
The half-elf heritages are as follows:
Aquatic half-elf (shoreborn)
Half-drow (darkborn)
Ekujae half-elf (wildborn)
Mordant Spire half-elf (spireborn)
Snowcaster half-elf (snowborn)
The half-orc heritages are as follows:
Darklands half-orc (gloomkin)
Desert half-orc (sandkin)
Jungle half-orc (rainkin)
Mountain half-orc (cragkin)
Winter half-orc (frostkin)
The half-elf heritages are as follows:
Aquatic half-elf (shoreborn)
Half-drow (darkborn)
Ekujae half-elf (wildborn)
Mordant Spire half-elf (spireborn)
Snowcaster half-elf (snowborn)The half-orc heritages are as follows:
Darklands half-orc (gloomkin)
Desert half-orc (sandkin)
Jungle half-orc (rainkin)
Mountain half-orc (cragkin)
Winter half-orc (frostkin)
I hope they gave alternate trait options from ARG for each of these groups as well.
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The half-elf heritages are as follows:
Aquatic half-elf (shoreborn)
Half-drow (darkborn)
Ekujae half-elf (wildborn)
Mordant Spire half-elf (spireborn)
Snowcaster half-elf (snowborn)The half-orc heritages are as follows:
Darklands half-orc (gloomkin)
Desert half-orc (sandkin)
Jungle half-orc (rainkin)
Mountain half-orc (cragkin)
Winter half-orc (frostkin)
Do any of these replace multitalented for half-elves?
is this the point where I get excited and then find out that like none of it is PFS legal
On the half-elf front, I'm guessing the alternate traits are....
Aquatic half-elf (shoreborn): Water Child
Half-drow (darkborn): Drow-Blooded & Drow Magic
Ekujae half-elf (wildborn): Ancestral Arms?
Mordant Spire half-elf (spireborn): Arcane Training?
Snowcaster half-elf (snowborn): Wary?
Child of the Sea
Thinblood resilience
Jungle affinity
Mordant envoy
Cold-honed
I'm pretty sure they're all new (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, anyone). And jungle affinity replaces multitalented.
That's because the 'Distant Heritages' section is a set of guidelines of using the ARG's race builder rules to represent someone with a more diluted non-human heritage. So when we're talking about Ogrekin in this context, we don't mean humans with the full-blown Ogrekin template but someone who's got an Ogrekin parent, grandparent, or great-grandparent. There's a list of suggested traits you incorporate into a human character depending on where their heritage comes from. The natural armor is what someone descended from Ogrekin is likely to have.Ogrekin get a brief paragraph in the Distant Heritages section as well as a typical racial trait (natural armor).Really just natural armor? They already get that as part of their build.
...wait. You don't "descend" from ogrekin. The template is permanent no matter how many generations have passed, ogre blood "ruins the bloodline forever"!
That's likely due to AP Subscribers or those with many subscriptions higher priority than those with one sub, So I'll be waiting a good while.
Any chance you could list the new traits?
Child of the Sea
Thinblood resilience
Jungle affinity
Mordant envoy
Cold-honed
Is it possible to spoiler these with what they replace and a basic gist of what they do?
Is it possible to spoiler these with what they replace and a basic gist of what they do?Child of the Sea
Thinblood resilience
Jungle affinity
Mordant envoy
Cold-honed
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Child of the Sea (Aquatic Elf): Trades low-light vision and keen sense for a +4 racial bonus on Swim and Profession (sailor) checks (as well as any Wisdom checks made to pilot a seafaring vessel). Also cannot get lost at sea.
Thinblood resilience (Drow): Trades elven immunities for a +2 bonus on Fortitude saves against poison and disease as well as the poison use ability.
Jungle affinity (Ekujae Elves): Trades multitalented for a +4 racial bonus on Stealth checks while within jungle terrain and the woodland stride ability while within jungle terrain.
Mordant envoy (Mordant Spire Elves): Trades adaptability for a +1 bonus to caster level with transmutation spells and the following spell-like abilities 1/day if the half-elf has a Charisma of 11 or higher: comprehend language, detect secret doors, erase, read magic.
Languages: (Mordant Spire Elves): Trades standard half-elf languages starting languages for Azlanti and Elven.
Cold-honed: (Snowcaster Elves): Trades elven immunities for woodland stride in cold terrain (snow and ice only) and a +4 racial bonus to avoid nonlethal damage from cold environments.
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Greensting Slayer is a cool archetype; it is a hybrid Magus/Rogue that can spend arcane points for a reduced sneak attack effect at the cost of the magus's ability to add an enhancement bonus to his weapon. It also gains evasion and improved evasion abilities instead of medium and heavy armor proficiency.
Averaka Arbiter is the Battle Herald's best friend. It trades Inspire Competence for a bardic performance that is essentially solo tactics and Versatile Performance for bonus teamwork feats. It also trades Dirge of Doom for a neat ability that can actually make a hostile creature stop attacking you.
Overall, I think this product is worth it for these archetypes alone, personally.
Sweet,
thanks alex,
Anything for the other half-breeds (changeling, Suli etc)?
There are a couple of traits that are cool, but nothing much. The focus of this book is Half-Elves and Half-Orcs. Makes sense considering Blood of the Elements (which includes suli) is out later this year.
One thing that is interesting is the expansion of the roles mechanic. Each rule has two pages and includes new class options that are suited for the roles as well as a character trait or two.
The "build-a-bastard" system amounts to tips and tricks for using the Race Building rules from the Advanced Race Guide. Its not terribly by any means, but you'll be disappointed if you were looking for radically new rules.
This book has some CRAZY cool feats. My favorite is this one that allows you to spend an immediate action when you are targeted by an area effect spell to try and block the attack with an adjacent opponent's face.
Looks like the book is as some said, Half-Elf and Half-Orc focused, while I was hoping for something that covered more variety of semi-human and demi-human.
This book has some CRAZY cool feats. My favorite is this one that allows you to spend an immediate action when you are targeted by an area effect spell to try and block the attack with an adjacent opponent's face.
Ow my ribs hahaha!
Did half-orcs get some cool racial?