Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 4 (OGL)

Wes, I think the reason Pathfinder Bestiaries are so well received is that each AP brings us new creatures - but finding those creatures through 17 volumes (I know I saw that someplace) is difficult and as the Bestiaries put them in hardcover books they are in a much more usable form.

I look for the 10th volume in the series of Bestiaries in the future.

I missed a Bestiary last year (even thought I like the NPC Codex) and look forward to this release.

The Stars have Come Right!!!

So it's 2013 and not 2012! I KNEW outsourcing our astronomical calculations to the Maya was a mistake! But did anyone listen to me? NO!

Cthulhu!? Mythic I see.

Will Kaiju also use mythic or have their own set of rules. I remember reading James saying that Kaijus need their own (long) subsystem.

From what I remember they were looking at Kaiju for B3, but a generic Kaiju template ended up being far too complicated to be worth it, so they were leaning towards statting specific Kaiju as their own entries.

Holy crap! 0_0

Looks awesome, can't wait!

Demond Lords? Kaiju? Great Old Ones? The finally-updated-after-all-this-time Nosferatu template?

Curse you for producing yet another book I must buy, Paizo! ;)

Of course you know what this means? All those people, including me, have to try to tackle painting the Reaper Bones Cthulhu.

I'm always in the camp for more NPCs and less monsters, but dammit, even if half the stuff in them never gets used, the Bestiaries are just so friggin' COOL!!

I thought I had all the creatures I needed between the first three Bestiaries and my homebrew stuff. Going to give that next Bestiary a miss I was... yeah. Then I read the description and thought $40 more. I can deal with that. Congratulations on separating from a couple more 20s. :D

GAH BA GA YES WANTS!

Well 5+ months away, I must be patient...here is my money, now...gimme, gimme, gimme....

I really hope this book has a much bigger selection of fey, at least 15-20 would be nice.

I was blown away by the response to Bestiary 3... you don't usually see people saying nice things about at THIRD monster collection.

I was shocked too, but it really was a good book.

Usualy I kinda of tired of thr Big Books O' Monsters by the third one....but Bestiary 3 was really good. So I have hope for Bestiary 4. Though I do hope you stagger the releases of the Bestiary's with NPC Codexes...

Usualy I kinda of tired of thr Big Books O' Monsters by the third one....but Bestiary 3 was really good. So I have hope for Bestiary 4. Though I do hope you stagger the releases of the Bestiary's with NPC Codexes...

+1

If they do end up staggering them, I'd prefer to see something like a book of templates rather than immediately another NPC Codex.

Demond Lords? Kaiju? Great Old Ones? The finally-updated-after-all-this-time Nosferatu template?

Curse you for producing yet another book I must buy, Paizo! ;)

Unless they change the way they do things, you don't _have_ to buy it to get the monsters. Paizo uploads their bestiaries to the PRD, so the hard copies are completely optional purchases. Very well designed and pleasant to own, but optional. Just goes to show Paizo's justified confidence in their product presentation that they can give their material away and still sell the books.

Maybe he has some paunch hidden, but judging from those scrawny limbs, Green Cthulhu needs food badly..

If they do end up staggering them, I'd prefer to see something like a book of templates rather than immediately another NPC Codex.

Meh on the idea of a book of templates...I don't think there are enough reasonable templates to fill a entire book...though if they do so more power to them.

Personaly a another NPC codex would be alot more helpful to the way I run a game(I tend to use classed NPCs as enemies rather than straight up monsters). Even if it just covers the core class again...maybe using monsters as the race...like a gnoll Ranger...or a full orc barbarian...or goblin wizard, etc.

Or I would like seeing another one useing the classes from the APG, UC and UM.

I hope we both get what we want eventualy.

Full disclosure, I had been wondering when this would come to be. I never would have guessed it would be so soon.

Yes.
Oh yes.

So Clockwork Dragons, and Outer Dragons. Are they connected somehow?

Have all the monsters published by Paizo (in this incarnation) for 3.5 been converted by one of the Bestiaries so far?

If not, will they be after this Bestiary is published?

Richard

So the 2000 posts of the Bestiary 4 wishlist thread were not in vain.

Yup, even if 1800 of them were by one person ;)

Maybe he has some paunch hidden, but judging from those scrawny limbs, Green Cthulhu needs food badly..

Oh - Oh...

Red Nyarlathotep shot the food.

Reggie

Nosferatu Template! I hope it still gets its "over-sized" 1d6 damage claw attacks. The Pathfinderized nosferatu that appeared in Carrion Crown had them so I hope they don't get standardized to the 1d4 for medium creatures.

I LOVE the bestiaries.

I recognize the Cthulhu and the multiple nosferatu on the cover, but what's that other creature?

Is nosferatu still a template? I really hope its a creature of its own, a undead that is born undead, and which creates vampires.

I hope the Demon Princes include the classic three Demogorgon, Orcus and Jubilex.
Will there also be a few Arch-Devils?

The "classic" Demogorgon is WotC IP. Orcus and Jubilex are fair game. IIRC no archdevils there.

Why would Orcus and Juiblex be available? They are clearly specific characters from other peoples existing works, that are still in production.
I see how you can get away with Asmodeus, who really is just the devil with a generic name. But even if Demogorgon and Orcus also have preexisting names, their appearance and lore is something very D&D specific.

Why would Orcus and Juiblex be available? They are clearly specific characters from other peoples existing works, that are still in production.

I see how you can get away with Asmodeus, who really is just the devil with a generic name. But even if Demogorgon and Orcus also have preexisting names, their appearance and lore is something very D&D specific.

Because in 2000 WotC allowed Necromancer Games to publish Tome of Horrors, an OGL bestiary that included dozens of up-to-then WotC IP monsters. Among them, apart from Orcus and Jubilex, were dark creepers/stalkers, shadow demons, nupperibos, lurkers above, flumphs, and many others. Some things (such as references to proper names in D&D campaign settings) were filed off, but Orcus-goat-headed-demon-lord-of-undead and Jubilex-formless-demon-lord-of-oozes were left pretty much intact. So, under OGL, anybody can use them as long as they're not connecting them to Greyhawk or FR or whatever else that is WotC closed content IP. And that's exactly what Paizo has been doing for some time, because both Orcus and Jubilex have an established presence in Golarion.

Demogorgon was not included in ToH, sadly. The actual name "demogorgon" is drawn from real life and thus open for use, however the appearance and lore of Demogorgon the twin-headed-tentacle-armed-demon-lord is closed content. So no dice there.

Nosferatu is a template, it already exist in two pathfinder books but is finally going to be in a hardcover bestiary.

I really hope there will be new types of ....
Angels
Azatas
Agathions
Aeons
Proteans
Inevitables
Oni
Azura
Qlippoths
Titans

So looking forward to this! :)

Nosferatu is a template, it already exist in two pathfinder books but is finally going to be in a hardcover bestiary.

I really hope there will be new types of ....
Angels
Azatas
Agathions
Aeons
Proteans
Inevitables
Oni
Azura
Qlippoths
Titans

So outsiders? Me too. I'm also keen to see templates, I'm a sucker for templates!

Why would Orcus and Juiblex be available? They are clearly specific characters from other peoples existing works, that are still in production.

I see how you can get away with Asmodeus, who really is just the devil with a generic name. But even if Demogorgon and Orcus also have preexisting names, their appearance and lore is something very D&D specific.

Orcus, Demogorgon, Asmodeus, Belial, Mephistopheles, Moloch, etc. are all individual demons and devils from Christian legend. Pathfinder uses many of them already anyway.

Because in 2000 WotC allowed Necromancer Games to publish Tome of Horrors, an OGL bestiary that included dozens of up-to-then WotC IP monsters. Among them, apart from Orcus and Jubilex, were dark creepers/stalkers, shadow demons, nupperibos, lurkers above, flumphs, and many others. Some things (such as references to proper names in D&D campaign settings) were filed off, but Orcus-goat-headed-demon-lord-of-undead and Jubilex-formless-demon-lord-of-oozes were left pretty much intact. So, under OGL, anybody can use them as long as they're not connecting them to Greyhawk or FR or whatever else that is WotC closed content IP. And that's exactly what Paizo has been doing for some time, because both Orcus and Jubilex have an established presence in Golarion.
Demogorgon was not included in ToH, sadly. The actual name "demogorgon" is drawn from real life and thus open for use, however the appearance and lore of Demogorgon the twin-headed-tentacle-armed-demon-lord is closed content. So no dice there.

Thanks for clarifying it. Well, I hope they do include those two if they can. Pity about Demogorgon. Although there are so many other fantasic demon lords they could include so whatever they do I'm sure it'll be great.

I'm really looking forward to this Bestiary.

Frankthedm wrote:

Maybe he has some paunch hidden, but judging from those scrawny limbs, Green Cthulhu needs food badly..

Oh - Oh...

Red Nyarlathotep shot the food.

Reggie

Yellow Hastur's life force is running out!

Because in 2000 WotC allowed Necromancer Games to publish Tome of Horrors, an OGL bestiary that included dozens of up-to-then WotC IP monsters. Among them, apart from Orcus and Jubilex, were dark creepers/stalkers, shadow demons, nupperibos, lurkers above, flumphs, and many others. Some things (such as references to proper names in D&D campaign settings) were filed off, but Orcus-goat-headed-demon-lord-of-undead and Jubilex-formless-demon-lord-of-oozes were left pretty much intact. So, under OGL, anybody can use them as long as they're not connecting them to Greyhawk or FR or whatever else that is WotC closed content IP. And that's exactly what Paizo has been doing for some time, because both Orcus and Jubilex have an established presence in Golarion.

Demogorgon was not included in ToH, sadly. The actual name "demogorgon" is drawn from real life and thus open for use, however the appearance and lore of Demogorgon the twin-headed-tentacle-armed-demon-lord is closed content. So no dice there.

Is Cthulhu OGL too or has the IP on it expired?

Please tell me that the amazing cover art for this book will be available as a poster.

Do not call up that which you can not put down...

Is Cthulhu OGL too or has the IP on it expired?

Lovecraft died in 1937, so copyrights on his works would have expired in 2007 (70 years after his death).

Early versions of D&D couldn't use them for this reason.

Actually, Cthulhu and company are in the original printing of Deities and Demigods for first edition AD&D. TSR dropped the Cthulhu Mythos, along with the Newhonian Mythos (i.e., Fafhrd and Grey Mouser material by Fritz Lieber) and Melnibonean Mythos (i.e., Elric and Stormbringer material by Michael Moorcock) from later printings (which were renamed Legends and Lore) because, among other things, they felt it was free advertising for other people's stuff.

Cthulhu and Hastur were greater gods, and Nyarlathotep and Shub-Niggurath were lesser gods, in the original write-ups. I'm not sure what those decisions were based on.

Also, the Deities and Demigods version of Shubby is very similar to the Great Old One called Abhoth in Chaosism's Call of Cthulhu.

Back on topic, GLEE.

Thank you for the mummified template.

The evil-hate-filled Cthulhu from a dimension far away.
Fly through gates of madness and into your heart.

Turning dreams into nightmares destroying all he sees.

Now begins a new adventure for ... meeeeeeeeeee!

Looks at cover. Poops pants. Faints.

Re: Cthulhu

Honestly, I'm going to be looking for the "Consumes 1dX investigators/adventurers per round" line in its statblock

This. The rest of the stat block should just be gibberish, lunatic ravings, and random mashing of the keyboard (which will probably end up being Polish so Gorbacz will become the official translator of forbidden stats).

Klatu, Verata, Gorbacz.

Does "w wysuszonych, sczerniałych trzcinowych szuwarach sześcionogi szczwany trzmiel bezczelnie szeleścił w szczawiu trzymając w szczękach strzęp szczypiorku i często trzepocząc skrzydłami" sound solid?

I'd buy it. (now what does it say?)

To celebrate the inclusion of Great Cthulhu and the other Great Old Ones, I feel a celebratory song is in order.

If I Were A Deep One

Mahaha was a monster I proposed for the AP Bestiary when I was writing The Hungry Storm for Jade Regent but it got bounced in favor of other concepts. We will see if it shows up in B4.

Can't you try harder to get it in? ;-)

Yup, even if 1800 of them were by one person ;)

At least I have many wishes, you just wish to make me look bad instead of making your own wishes, forever hammering on me with your never-longer-than-one-sentence posts. :-D

Kthulhu wrote:

If they do end up staggering them, I'd prefer to see something like a book of templates rather than immediately another NPC Codex.

Meh on the idea of a book of templates...I don't think there are enough reasonable templates to fill a entire book...though if they do so more power to them.

Never heard of Green Ronin's Advanced Bestiary? Or Silverthorne Games' Book of Templates: Deluxe Edition 3.5? Or for something that is fully Pathfinder-compatible, Rite Publishing's Book of Monster Templates?

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Mahaha was a monster I proposed for the AP Bestiary when I was writing The Hungry Storm for Jade Regent but it got bounced in favor of other concepts. We will see if it shows up in B4.

Can't you try harder to get it in? ;-)

Gorbacz wrote:

Yup, even if 1800 of them were by one person ;)

At least I have many wishes, you just wish to make me look bad instead of making your own wishes, forever hammering on me with your never-longer-than-one-sentence posts. :-D

Actually, one of the devs said they stopped reading because you kept reprinting your lists over and over and over again. So please, refrain from doing that.

Does "w wysuszonych, sczerniałych trzcinowych szuwarach sześcionogi szczwany trzmiel bezczelnie szeleścił w szczawiu trzymając w szczękach strzęp szczypiorku i często trzepocząc skrzydłami" sound solid?

Google tells me this means "in dried, blackened six-legged cane reeds rustled leery bumblebee brazenly in sorrel holding the jaws shred chives and often flapping wings"

I feel this isn't right...