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I have a quick question
I know this was probably mentioned up thread but i didn't find the post
Why is the release date the 28 of December?
Why not have the release date the 20 of december so people can put bestiaries under their Christmas trees?
Thanks
That's the street shop date, subscribers get their books shipped and PDF access approx 2 weeks prior.
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While I am looking forward to this book, I am concerned about one thing.
A glut of reprints.
While I understand not everyone subscribes to the APs, having a glut of monsters from the AP books is what I think may turn off some people considering purchasing this. I know my GM has voiced concern about it, and he also pointed out that he thinks it's silly that people are paying for some monsters that were given for free on the Bonus Bestiary. That could've been more new monsters instead, according to his view. (I personally think because it's only a handful in a 300+ monster book that it shouldn't be that big a deal)
From what I see, a lot on the current list a previous poster put together appears to be quite a number of AP reprints, too. What, may I ask, is the estimated ratio of reprint and new monsters in this book? Maybe I can convince my GM to use it depending on the answer, hopefully.
Just a thought. Here's to something different with Bestiary 4! :D
"Reprints" of monsters that appeared in adventures or sourcebooks have been a staple of RPG monster bestiaries from the start, so that's nothing new. Having all those monsters gathered into one book rather than spread out across dozens and dozens of different books is, in my opinion, worth the price on its own.
And the concept of "paying for monsters we gave you for free" is kind of silly, since with the PRD, we're giving ALL of the monsters in the book away for free.
In any event, my rough guess is that about a third of the monsters in the book are "reprints" (and quite a few of those are updates from 3.5 monsters we published before we switched to Pathfinder).
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Creative Director
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I have a quick question
I know this was probably mentioned up thread but i didn't find the post
Why is the release date the 28 of December?
Why not have the release date the 20 of december so people can put bestiaries under their Christmas trees?
Thanks
We were aiming for an earlier release date, but in this case, issues beyond our control caused a few week delay in getting the book out, alas. We're trying to get them shipped out ASAP, though!
When you say about a 1/3 reprints, are you including other sources then the APs? like like Tome of Horrors, modules, leftovers from the 3.5 monster manual that can be used?
Can we expect any new dinosaurs?Yes. There are four.
I suspect that one of them, based on the art for the "Pathfinder Society Field Guide", is a pachycephalosaurus.
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We were aiming for an earlier release date, but in this case, issues beyond our control caused a few week delay in getting the book out, alas. We're trying to get them shipped out ASAP, though!I have a quick question
I know this was probably mentioned up thread but i didn't find the post
Why is the release date the 28 of December?
Why not have the release date the 20 of december so people can put bestiaries under their Christmas trees?
Thanks
James,
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. Well, these things happen. I'm sure the book will be great and I cant wait to get my grubby little paws on a copy,Thank you again
Myles Crocker
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When you say about a 1/3 reprints, are you including other sources then the APs? like like Tome of Horrors, modules, leftovers from the 3.5 monster manual that can be used?
When I say "reprint," I mean "a monster that appeared as a new monster in a previous Paizo product."
Looking at Bestiary 2 as an example:
REPRINTS
Attic Whisperer (even though it's getting updated to Pathfinder from 3.5, its previous appearance was as a new monster in new monster format)
NEW
Aranea (even though it appeared in the 3.5 SRD, this is its first appearance in Pathfinder)
Aurumvorax (even though it appeared in Kingmaker, updated to Pathfinder from the Tome of Horrors, this is its first appearance in actual new monster format)
D'ziriak (even though it was originally described and mentioned in "The Great Beyond," It never got stats until this book)
Grindylow (legitimate brand new monster stats, although the monster itself isn't "new," it's from mythology)
Spider, Giant Tarantula (brand new monster, even if it was originally mentioned and its HD & CR listed in Bestiary 1)
Augnagar Qlippoth (brand new monster invented specifically for this book)
I'm just pleased that I finally made it into a product...
I'm happy with the "reprints". I don't buy the APs and they're all new for me :) As for the oriental content, I don't use much of it as is, but ideas are always welcome and a bit of reskinning and it's "western" so, no skin off my body. I'm picky in any event; I don't even use all the "western" / mytthological / fantasy fiction derived monsters.
I am also happy with the reprints even though I do own the APs and it is nice to have all the monsters in one book.
I love monsters from all mythologies.
A Spinosaurus would be cool.
Spinosaurus? Pff! What we need is a Carcharodontosaurus!
Also Amphichoelias (fragillimus). There would be a natural animal that could actually pose a challenge to a high level character.
I'd rather lug one bestiary than photocopies of monsters from previous APs. Heck, half the time I look at the bestiaries in the APs and select the ones I hope and pray make it into a bestiary before other monsters. The only real problem is that I'm only going to have a few days to look through Bestiary 3 and pick out what monsters I want to use before I run something at a furry convention I'm attending the following weekend.
I liked the Flumph, Disenchanter, Flail snail, and wolf in sheep's clothing the most from misfit monsters redeemed. Happy that some of these guys made it into the Beastairy 3.
Yeah 3-4 more weeks to go, can't wait.
Are there any mundane animals on the way too?
Hm, why does this book have an added letter at the end of its product code ("PZO1120A")?
Hm, why does this book have an added letter at the end of its product code ("PZO1120A")?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
>.>
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I was doing some back-end stuff and you're seeing a result of that (which is now gone).
Hm, why does this book have an added letter at the end of its product code ("PZO1120A")?Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
>.>
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I was doing some back-end stuff and you're seeing a result of that (which is now gone).
Someone needs more arcane spellcaster levels. Mirage Arcana ftw!
Oh, and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Pale Stranger
Pale Stranger
Pale Stranger
Pale Stranger
Pale Stranger
Pale Stranger
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"Reprints" of monsters that appeared in adventures or sourcebooks have been a staple of RPG monster bestiaries from the start, so that's nothing new. Having all those monsters gathered into one book rather than spread out across dozens and dozens of different books is, in my opinion, worth the price on its own.
Yes. Yes it is worth the price on its own. That you have a 1:2 ratio of reprint to new is fantastic, I'd be happy even if it was just 1:1. The AP bestiary monsters is the section I turn to first, even before checking out new artwork, but having them available in a single book and added to the PRD is an enormous benefit. I can't even begin to mention how many times I wished Dungeon magazine had released a compilation of the Campaign Workshop articles they offered.
For instance, the bullywug, er boggard mobongo or however you write that...absolutely perfect monster for my Savage Tide campaign, but one that never gets used because I don't always remember that it is located in PF 12. Or 11, or whichever. And even if I do, that means I have to go excavate it from my overflowing shelves...
So yeah, if the mobongo turns up in the Bestiary, I'll be super happy, and she'll likely make an appearance. Bestiary III sounds like it might be the best one yet.
Mobogo. James Jacobs said that it's okay for me to tell you that it's in Bestiary 3. :D
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In any event, my rough guess is that about a third of the monsters in the book are "reprints" (and quite a few of those are updates from 3.5 monsters we published before we switched to Pathfinder).
As an AP subscriber I like this. I was really happy when the Attic Whisperer found its way into the Bestiary 2.
Given that an average of about 60 monsters are released a year between 12 different APs issues, this should keep all of us busy for a very long time.
I would personally like to see a few select monsters from 3rd party PFRPG sources make there way into the Bestiaries also. This would be an excellent way to promote some of the best of the expanded material out there. Kind of how WOTC did with their 3rd editon Monster Manual 2.
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Mobogo. James Jacobs said that it's okay for me to tell you that it's in Bestiary 3. :D
:D Really, you guys are sort of the best company ever.
The thing about monsters from the APs is that in the beginning I printed them out and put them in a book. Then do I put them together as they came out in the APs? Do I put them alphabetically?
What I do is I put them alphabetically, with a symbol denoting which AP (or Campaign Setting or Module) it is from in the page-header. And, soon 30+ issues of PFRPG bestiaries in, I keep an index.
OK, I've figured out what was causing the PDF availability date to not display properly. Should be fixed now.
So the PDF will be available the 21st ?
Sweet, the date got moved back to the 21st
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The thing about monsters from the APs is that in the beginning I printed them out and put them in a book. Then do I put them together as they came out in the APs? Do I put them alphabetically?What I do is I put them alphabetically, with a symbol denoting which AP (or Campaign Setting or Module) it is from in the page-header. And, soon 30+ issues of PFRPG bestiaries in, I keep an index.
And that is a great idea and I should get on that project. Got a spreadsheet to share? I think this would be an awesome community project.
And I still want them in a hardcover bestiary.
At the moment I keep the index in a word-document formatted after the way the Bestiary-indexes were made (so one for CR, one for ecology, and one for type - maybe I should add one for source too... *strokes chin*)
Begun...the preauthorizations have.
Mine just said "pending" today allow with my Mythical Monsters Revisited and the Dragon Empires Gazetteer.
What are those turtle things on the cover?
Those are kappa.
I cannot wait to see this in all its wuxia glory. Also very curious to see whether gunslingers are in there at all.
I'm curious, Sir, why would there be gunslingers in the Bestiary?
I cannot wait to see this in all its wuxia glory. Also very curious to see whether gunslingers are in there at all.
The Pale Stranger mentioned up-thread is an undead gunslinger.
This is the worst part, when the "You purchased this product" note appears, but you can't download it until the physical copy ships. Seeing that note suddenly takes it out of the abstract "coming soon" and makes it feel, well, real. It's like the difference between a kid asking for presents on Christmas and the kid seeing them under the tree (but not able to open them until the relatives arrive).
Anyway, reading "Death's Heretic" reminded me of a monster I hope is in Bestiary 3, the Phistophilus (or Contract Devil). Like the festrog and, to a lesser extent, the Ashmede Devil, it keeps popping up in products, but it didn't get into the Bestiary 2 like the Bdellavritra. (Also, of the three I mentioned, only the festrog has gotten a full conversion to Pathfinder. The one phistophilus encountered was modified, and the Ashmede statistics were for a summoned devil and so didn't include their summoning ability.)
Has anyone's order shipped yet? Mine useally ships on a tuesday but I am not subscriber.