Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 3 (OGL)

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Test your courage against the most infamous foes of myth and legend! Bestiary 3 presents hundreds of monsters for use in the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. Within this book you’ll find demiliches and demodands, grave knights and goblin snakes, norns and nephilim, imperial dragons and unfettered eidolons, and so much more! Yet not every creature needs to be an enemy, as winged garudas, crafty tanukis, and leonine lammasus all wait to join your party and answer the call of glory.

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 3 is the third indispensable volume of monsters for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and serves as a companion to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook and Pathfinder RPG Bestiary. This imaginative tabletop game builds upon more than 10 years of system development and an Open Playtest featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time bestselling set of fantasy rules into the new millennium.

The Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 3 includes:

  • More than 300 different monsters
  • Classic terrors from myth and literature, from the frumious bandersnatch and the righteous valkyrie to the cunning dybbuk and elusive kappa
  • Hordes of new creatures you can construct, grow, or summon to aid your party in its adventures
  • New player-friendly races to let you adventure as canny ratfolk, genie-blooded sulis, and more
  • New familiars, animal companions, and other allies
  • Challenges for any adventure and every level of play
  • Some of the strangest and most beloved creatures from fantasy roleplaying history and the Pathfinder campaign setting
  • Hosts of new templates and variants
  • Appendices to aid in monster navigation, including lists by Challenge Rating, monster type, and habitat
  • Expanded universal monster rules to simplify special attacks, defenses, and qualities
  • ... and much, much more!

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Another great addition to the Bestiary products

5/5

Reading through Bestiary 1 and 2, I was hoping that there will be even more eastern themed monsters. This Bestiary delivers just what I wanted! A must buy! Also, Flumph!!!


Best of the Bestiary

5/5

Bestiary 3 review is up on my blog.

This is probably my favorite of the Bestiaries so far, the content covers many iconic monsters from editions past, and stuff from the Adventure Paths. With great Asian flair for the Tian Xia world guide that is coming up, as well as many incredible monsters that have never graced the pages of a monster guide but are very welcome.


A great addition!

5/5

Although I'm generally opposed to the concept of core book "sequels," the content in 'Bestiary 3' is top notch. Whereas it took me some time to realize the usefulness of the monsters presented in 'Bestiary 2' (extraplanar/dimensional encounters rarely play a role in my campaigns), I immediately recognized many of the creatures in 'Bestiary 3' as either "iconic" or interesting variations on an established monster class.

As is to be expected, this book is well laid out and the illustrations are (mostly) top notch - Paizo rarely disappoints here! The Pathfinder Campaign Setting is still missing a few iconic monsters (mostly due to WotC's draconic licensing practices), but this volume (and the two which preceded it) gives GMs a huge variety of creatures to populate their encounters.

If I could make any suggestions for future 'Bestiary' volumes, the first would be to expand upon the lore provided - I realize it would likely halve the number of creatures included per book, but a two page spread (even for "simple" creatures like oozes) might help a GM find a place for a given creature within his campaign setting. Also, better illustrating a creature's size (perhaps even graphically) would be useful - general size classifications only go so far, and being able to see a silhouette of a given entry next to a human-sized creature would give both GMs and players a clear understanding of exactly how big a monster is (this was employed beautifully in an old FASA publication for Shadowrun: 'Paranormal Animals of North America' by Nigel Findley). Again, these are just suggestions on ways to improve an otherwise outstanding collection of Bestiaries. Keep up the good work!


Dodging the law of sequels

5/5

An excellent monster book, strong mythological presence (from various cultures). Probably even better than Bestiary 2. And it has the flumph! (this is a good thing, well its worth a page) If you're looking for a monster book for some critters outside of the real core you would well to pick this up.


Well done!

5/5

Apparently, bestiaries are the strongest point of Paizo, since, as opposed to the "Ultimate" line, their quality is not decreased from the core books. I would dare to say it is actually improved.

The book contains monsters inspired by several cultures, and is a delightful little travel in folklore other than a very good RPG supplement.

Creatures qualities and special attacks are effective and diverse (with few exceptions), from a wisely added double bite attack, to more complex and GM-inspiring out and in- combat powers.

Animals and vermins are well made, and the preistoric ones are more diverse than the usual "more dinosaurs" (but fear not, dinosaurs fan will not be disappointed).

Fey are very good, even if I wished some more high CR ones (but, hellooo, Norn!). Few aberrations, H.P. Lovercraft inspired, definitively removed my mind flayer nostalgia. Great love for the nagas too.

Plants are scary. Undeads are SCARIER, and you will love the new dreadful templates added.

Monstrous humanoids and magical beasts come in different shapes and exotic powers.

Oozes are finally interesting! Even an ooze-hater like me found entries able to intrigue me.

Constructs are excellent. We find some clerical domain based ones, golems able to do more than just bash the enemy, and a brand new category incredibly cool.

Dragons come with several minor ones, the oriental sovereign (mixed feelings) and new, awesome linnorms.

Outsiders are the true gem of this bestiary, expecially fiends. New fiend families are introduced to us, expanding previous single monsters (Kyton, Oni, Rakshasa) in whole families and introducing Asuras, Divs ad Demodands. Paladins have hands full! I needed them so much for my setting, expecially Divs wich seems tailor-made for a specific roles for my infernal legions.

Completely different Outsiders are the guardians Kami. If you do not want to use oriental material, change their background in druidic or whatever spirit guardians is very easy.

My only big remarks are about the powers of the Hekatonkheires titan, quite "meh" for a CR 24 monster in my humble opinion.

Moreover, some monster type is strange. Why the yuki-no-ona is undead? That is a good chance lost for a middle-CR fey.

Said this, good job! Keep this pace, and I will buy up to bestiary 20 :)


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Eric Hinkle wrote:

Thanks for the link and the correction on how to use proper Norwegian.

Not sure what you should be most worried about - Swedes upset at you for thinking our language is Norwegian, or Norwegians wanting to get you for thinking they use Swedish... ;)


Hopefully some of the oriental race are playable, like the yuki-onna, and kitsune.

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Kthulhu wrote:
I would wager I can guess one of them, since I seem to remember you mentioning one that got cut from WotW. Perhaps the flying polyps?

Nope; the monsters in the Bestiary 3 were ordered and designed at the same time I did my writing for Pathfinder #46, so the two monsters that got cut from that volume won't be appearing in Bestiary 3 since Bestiary 3 is already full.

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Azure_Zero wrote:
Hopefully some of the oriental race are playable, like the yuki-onna, and kitsune.

Kitsune won't be in this book, because we'll be presenting them as a core Tian Xia race in the Dragon Empires Gazetteer.


James Jacobs wrote:


Kitsune won't be in this book, because we'll be presenting them as a core Tian Xia race in the Dragon Empires Gazetteer.

And that comes out in Nov 2011, about 1/2 way through Jade Regent. I guess I'll have to be patient.


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Godpilla? Godfilla? Godoilla? Give me a hint, here...

Gojira probably. The name Godzilla is © Toho Company.

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Hama wrote:

Dunno, always seemed perfectly clear to me. A creature with grab can start a grapple as a free action if it hits with the natural attack that has grab attached to it. It gains a +4 bonus to grapple checks and can choose to maintain grapple without it being grappled but with a -20 penalty to any grapple check.

Constrict just means that if the grappling creature chooses to do damage while grappling, it adds constrict damage to it's natural weapon damage. What's not to understand?

The Rules discussions contain many questions about these abilities, which I won't reiterate here - it's not the place for them. I just know, having perused them with questions of my own, that there's a lot of confusion (when you dig into the wording a bit) and there have been calls for clarification or FAQ updates for over a year.

I'm just asking they clarify the wording for both abilities, and/or give us an example or two, so we can better understand what they mean.

Let me say again, this isn't the place to get into the details. This horse has been beaten into a bloody pulp (without resolution) in the Rules threads.

Other than that, I'm stoked about the upcoming Bestiary 3 (and equally stoked about the upcoming Advanced Race Guide).


James Jacobs wrote:
Kitsune won't be in this book, because we'll be presenting them as a core Tian Xia race in the Dragon Empires Gazetteer.

I have to admit that I'm interested by this. Any chance that they'll be getting looked at in the Advanced Race Guide?

I'm glad others are coming up with great questions for what monsters are in this one, because I can't think of anything from real world mythology that I really, really want to be in this one. I still haven't stopped smiling that Charybdis, Scilia, and the Leprechaun were in the last Bestiary. I was really impressed with the last Bestiary, and I have faith that this one will be just as good, if not better.

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Golden-Esque wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Kitsune won't be in this book, because we'll be presenting them as a core Tian Xia race in the Dragon Empires Gazetteer.

I have to admit that I'm interested by this. Any chance that they'll be getting looked at in the Advanced Race Guide?

I'm glad others are coming up with great questions for what monsters are in this one, because I can't think of anything from real world mythology that I really, really want to be in this one. I still haven't stopped smiling that Charybdis, Scilia, and the Leprechaun were in the last Bestiary. I was really impressed with the last Bestiary, and I have faith that this one will be just as good, if not better.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a post from either James or Erik somewhere saying that those would be in.


James Jacobs wrote:
And there actually WAS a kaiju template in 3.5—I wrote it for Dragon magazine. Good times.

Actually, it wasn't 3.5 template, it was 3.0...sadly. If it had an update, then you gimped us! :P

James Jacobs wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Any chance of telling us just how many Demodands are in there, James? :)
Not yet.

There's only 3, that shouldn't be too hard. Or do you all plan on having more than 3...?


James Jacobs wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
Inuit, Russian, Asian, Norwegion, Arabian sounds cool but what about South American, Australian, or Hawaian?

There's a few of those, yes.

So, any hopes of getting Tunches and/or Apus?

Shadow Lodge

Dam cool. I must say...

Shadow Lodge

*Looks at Dragon 289 and Ultimate Magic*

Turtle + Kaiju = OH YEA!!!!

BTW about how many templates are we looking at?

A) 1 to 2

B) 3 to 5

C) 5 to 10

D) Colen has a heart attack when you send us the book to put in to hero lab.

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dartnet wrote:


D) Colen has a heat attack when you send us the book to put in to hero lab.

Tell Colen not to be too upset about menopause. It's a wonderful change of life, and the symptoms can be mediated with hormone therapy.

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cappadocius wrote:
dartnet wrote:


D) Colen has a heat attack when you send us the book to put in to hero lab.
Tell Colen not to be too upset about menopause. It's a wonderful change of life, and the symptoms can be mediated with hormone therapy.

LOL

Letter R why have you forsaken me?!?!?!

Post fixed. :)

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dartnet wrote:

D) Colen has a heart attack when you send us the book to put in to hero lab.

Having done a fair amount of data entry in Hero Lab, the Bestiaries are probably one of the easier books. Monsters and templates are infinitely easier to enter than archetypes or classes.

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Can we expect more dinosaurs, like perhaps the spinosaurus? And will there be information for using said spinosaurs as an animal companion? :)

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Robert Little wrote:
Having done a fair amount of data entry in Hero Lab, the Bestiaries are probably one of the easier books. Monsters and templates are infinitely easier to enter than archetypes or classes.

Easier? Typically, yes. But it's the sheer number of entries that are the killer with the Bestiary books. The old line "Death of a thousand cuts" springs to mind....

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lonewolf-rob wrote:
Robert Little wrote:
Having done a fair amount of data entry in Hero Lab, the Bestiaries are probably one of the easier books. Monsters and templates are infinitely easier to enter than archetypes or classes.
Easier? Typically, yes. But it's the sheer number of entries that are the killer with the Bestiary books. The old line "Death of a thousand cuts" springs to mind....

The Faction Guide and Gods and Magic death marches come to mind. Hi Rob!

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James Jacobs wrote:
Norwegian lore,

JA behage !

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Still not early enough to say MUCH more, but you can expect the number of templates in this book to roughly equal the number in the first two Bestiaries—AKA, there'll be a few, but not a lot. Templates are neat, but they're kinda like prestige classes—they got overdone in 3.5, but also I think that a Bestiary's a better place for new monsters, rather than new monster recipes (aka Templates or advanced rules for existing monsters).

A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Russian lore

да нравиться!

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Orannis wrote:


Second: Russian and Norwegian folklore!? Awesome! Kikimora and Vodyanoy, then? I'm having trouble thinking of a Norwegian critter you guys haven't done yet...

Orannis for the love you share for Norwegain and Russian folklore (Finnish too I hope!) YOU are a gentleman and a scholar!

Now about your faction however ...

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James Jacobs wrote:
A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

Yeah, I really wish GR would re-release Advanced Bestiary as a Pathfinder compatible edition, preferably with a new layout. The 3.5 version annoys the heck out of me with its constant switching between different column layouts.


James Jacobs wrote:

Still not early enough to say MUCH more, but you can expect the number of templates in this book to roughly equal the number in the first two Bestiaries—AKA, there'll be a few, but not a lot. Templates are neat, but they're kinda like prestige classes—they got overdone in 3.5, but also I think that a Bestiary's a better place for new monsters, rather than new monster recipes (aka Templates or advanced rules for existing monsters).

A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

The biggest reason I thought there would be a lot more templates in this book was the description of the product saying, "Hordes of new templates and variants, including simple templates for on-the-fly creature customization." Although, I can't recall how the Bestiary 2 or Bestiary described their number of templates (and variants).

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James Jacobs wrote:

Still not early enough to say MUCH more, but you can expect the number of templates in this book to roughly equal the number in the first two Bestiaries—AKA, there'll be a few, but not a lot. Templates are neat, but they're kinda like prestige classes—they got overdone in 3.5, but also I think that a Bestiary's a better place for new monsters, rather than new monster recipes (aka Templates or advanced rules for existing monsters).

A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

+1

Now if only anyone at Green Ronin was listening.

I could have sworn that I used to work with a woman who dated the guy who owned Green Ronin. I wonder if she's still working the same place ... it would be cool to get in touch and see if she can put in a good word :)


James Jacobs wrote:

Still not early enough to say MUCH more, but you can expect the number of templates in this book to roughly equal the number in the first two Bestiaries—AKA, there'll be a few, but not a lot. Templates are neat, but they're kinda like prestige classes—they got overdone in 3.5, but also I think that a Bestiary's a better place for new monsters, rather than new monster recipes (aka Templates or advanced rules for existing monsters).

A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

Sounds like you're also saying it'd be also cool to just do one big book of Prestige Classes so us PrC-Lovers can stop whining, right? ;)

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Razz wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Still not early enough to say MUCH more, but you can expect the number of templates in this book to roughly equal the number in the first two Bestiaries—AKA, there'll be a few, but not a lot. Templates are neat, but they're kinda like prestige classes—they got overdone in 3.5, but also I think that a Bestiary's a better place for new monsters, rather than new monster recipes (aka Templates or advanced rules for existing monsters).

A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

Sounds like you're also saying it'd be also cool to just do one big book of Prestige Classes so us PrC-Lovers can stop whining, right? ;)

I'm a huge fan of prestige classes, and still don't think that's a great idea. I'm with KaeYoss on this one (waits for the lightning bolt to strike him down) that prestige classes should fit specific niches in the campaign. Hellnights? Yes. Left-handed dagger-thrower? No.

That said, I am hoping that Paizo turns the dial a little more to the right so we get just a wee bit more prestige classes and a wee bit fewer archetypes. Frankly, I think some of the archetypes could have been done just as well with feat chains and they'd have been a bit more globally useful.


gbonehead wrote:
Razz wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Still not early enough to say MUCH more, but you can expect the number of templates in this book to roughly equal the number in the first two Bestiaries—AKA, there'll be a few, but not a lot. Templates are neat, but they're kinda like prestige classes—they got overdone in 3.5, but also I think that a Bestiary's a better place for new monsters, rather than new monster recipes (aka Templates or advanced rules for existing monsters).

A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

Sounds like you're also saying it'd be also cool to just do one big book of Prestige Classes so us PrC-Lovers can stop whining, right? ;)

I'm a huge fan of prestige classes, and still don't think that's a great idea. I'm with KaeYoss on this one (waits for the lightning bolt to strike him down) that prestige classes should fit specific niches in the campaign. Hellnights? Yes. Left-handed dagger-thrower? No.

That said, I am hoping that Paizo turns the dial a little more to the right so we get just a wee bit more prestige classes and a wee bit fewer archetypes. Frankly, I think some of the archetypes could have been done just as well with feat chains and they'd have been a bit more globally useful.

I agree to an extent. Almost half of the archetypes I've seen in the APG and Ultimate Magic would've made great prestige classes and not archetypes. The #1 gripe my players have every time they see archetypes is the class abilities they have to give up for one concept but really don't want to give up. With prestige classes, they can choose when and how much. With archetypes, it's all or nothing.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Razz wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Still not early enough to say MUCH more, but you can expect the number of templates in this book to roughly equal the number in the first two Bestiaries—AKA, there'll be a few, but not a lot. Templates are neat, but they're kinda like prestige classes—they got overdone in 3.5, but also I think that a Bestiary's a better place for new monsters, rather than new monster recipes (aka Templates or advanced rules for existing monsters).

A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

Sounds like you're also saying it'd be also cool to just do one big book of Prestige Classes so us PrC-Lovers can stop whining, right? ;)

I think a big prestige class book could be cool! Although I think it'd be a stronger book if it were a Campaign Setting book and not a generic rulebook so we could incorperate a bunch of world content.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Razz wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Still not early enough to say MUCH more, but you can expect the number of templates in this book to roughly equal the number in the first two Bestiaries—AKA, there'll be a few, but not a lot. Templates are neat, but they're kinda like prestige classes—they got overdone in 3.5, but also I think that a Bestiary's a better place for new monsters, rather than new monster recipes (aka Templates or advanced rules for existing monsters).

A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

Sounds like you're also saying it'd be also cool to just do one big book of Prestige Classes so us PrC-Lovers can stop whining, right? ;)
I think a big prestige class book could be cool! Although I think it'd be a stronger book if it were a Campaign Setting book and not a generic rulebook so we could incorperate a bunch of world content.

A book of world specific PrC would be cool.

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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Orannis wrote:


Second: Russian and Norwegian folklore!? Awesome! Kikimora and Vodyanoy, then? I'm having trouble thinking of a Norwegian critter you guys haven't done yet...

Orannis for the love you share for Norwegain and Russian folklore (Finnish too I hope!) YOU are a gentleman and a scholar!

Now about your faction however ...

Hmmm, it may sound weird, but I'm personally not too keen on using obvious references to Finnish folklore in my games (for example, we always thought Loviatar and Mielikki were out of place in FR).

As for Bestiary 3... awesome! And once again WAR really "nails" it with the cover; I don't if it's due to superior art direction, but I honestly think he seems to do his best pieces for Paizo products! :)

@James: I disagree with your comment on templates; yeah, when you get into the "Deathshrouded Daggerspell Commando" or "Greenstone Timemaster Lichlord"-territory, it's time to sit down and think it all over. However, we've got something like... what, 30-50 templates for PF? And surprisingly many of those are just alignment- or monster-based variations (Entropic, Fiendish, Skeletal Magus, Zombie Lord, etc.). Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt too many GMs feel it's enough.

EDIT: yeah, a big book of templates would be *really* cool! SOLD! :)


Vanaras, Imperial Dragons, new dinosaurs and other prehistoric beasts perhaps (okay those weren't mentioned in the writeup but considering the creative directors proclivities, it seems likely), monsters from Inuit and other folklore? This will be quite awesome, I think.

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Liz Courts wrote:
Kaiju also appeared in Wayfinder #2. :)

*cough* Also, Wayfinder #3. :D


Justin Sluder wrote:
Liz Courts wrote:
Kaiju also appeared in Wayfinder #2. :)
*cough* Also, Wayfinder #3. :D

Yeah! Don't forget about "little" old me! :D

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ShepherdGunn wrote:
So, is there a chance we'll see the Div from the Legacy of Fire AP show up in the pages of this beauty?

+1

James once told me to have patience about when we'd see the Divs again. Hopefully I only have to be patient til December. :)


gbonehead wrote:
Dungeon Grrrl wrote:
I am especially excited about more monsters from real-world myth , Inuit in particular. I'm working on a Fringe Buffy the Supernatural Highlander Brimstone Files game, and wanted some Inuit for the opening adventure.
I laughed and then realized it probably wasn't a joke :)

Not a joke, just a description of the sources that inspired the campaign I'm working on. :)


On the front cover is that a grave knight Magus with an undead familiar?

I can't wait for this book, I mean Kappas, Imperial dragons, and Kaiju oh my!


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Kaiju also appeared in Wayfinder #2. :)
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*cough* Also, Wayfinder #3. :D
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Yeah! Don't forget about "little" old me! :D

I really REALLY hope Kaiju is just a subtype and not a template. I'd have for the big G to just be a modified behemoth or black dragon. It wouldn't do him justice ya knows?

I do hope however we'll be getting some more Celestials though. I could really go for a Loxonal or Feather Archon. ^_^


I would be highly disapointed if the Kaiju wasn't a template it wouldn't work any other way. Although it should grant the modified creature the Kaiju subtype but it has to be template to as well.

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Dragon78 wrote:
I would be highly disapointed if the Kaiju wasn't a template it wouldn't work any other way. Although it should grant the modified creature the Kaiju subtype but it has to be template to as well.

Enh.

Either way, it's likely to leave me cold, since I find it very unlikely they'll use a stealth addition to the rules under the kaiju template to support above-Colossal creatures, and if there aren't above-Colossal rules, we're looking at kaiju with a maximum footprint of 30 ft. by 30 ft.


Templates, woah!
Templates, HOO!

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Pathfinder Companion Subscriber
gbonehead wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
I would be highly disapointed if the Kaiju wasn't a template it wouldn't work any other way. Although it should grant the modified creature the Kaiju subtype but it has to be template to as well.

Enh.

Either way, it's likely to leave me cold, since I find it very unlikely they'll use a stealth addition to the rules under the kaiju template to support above-Colossal creatures, and if there aren't above-Colossal rules, we're looking at kaiju with a maximum footprint of 30 ft. by 30 ft.

Colossal is still really big. 30 stories high by no means, but still really big


Dragon78 wrote:

On the front cover is that a grave knight Magus with an undead familiar?

I can't wait for this book, I mean Kappas, Imperial dragons, and Kaiju oh my!

Kudos on spotting the undead bird chillin on the grave knight's shoulder. I had to take another look after seeing your post.

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Nodnarb wrote:
gbonehead wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
I would be highly disapointed if the Kaiju wasn't a template it wouldn't work any other way. Although it should grant the modified creature the Kaiju subtype but it has to be template to as well.

Enh.

Either way, it's likely to leave me cold, since I find it very unlikely they'll use a stealth addition to the rules under the kaiju template to support above-Colossal creatures, and if there aren't above-Colossal rules, we're looking at kaiju with a maximum footprint of 30 ft. by 30 ft.

Colossal is still really big. 30 stories high by no means, but still really big

Sorry, being around 100 feet tall is laughable compared to godzilla...

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Hama wrote:


Sorry, being around 100 feet tall is laughable compared to godzilla...

http://images.wikia.com/godzilla/images/7/71/Godzilla_sizes2.jpg

For over 20 years, Godzilla was a "mere" 164 feet tall.


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gbonehead wrote:
Either way, it's likely to leave me cold, since I find it very unlikely they'll use a stealth addition to the rules under the kaiju template to support above-Colossal creatures, and if there aren't above-Colossal rules, we're looking at kaiju with a maximum footprint of 30 ft. by 30 ft.

I'd definitely like to see rules for an expanded size category collection--perhaps even an open-ended one, with a nice, consistent geometric progression of size.

Extremely large creatures could act as difficult terrain, with the PCs fighting on top of them, or climbing their sides, with rules for handling requisite climb/Dex/acrobatics-type checks. (I assume based on some combination of the movement speed and/or Dexterity of the large creature.)

At the other end, vanishingly small creatures could be treated as diseases/poisons/radiation sickness as they attack your immune system and organs. On the flip side, we can have players doing the same to insanely massive creatures.

I imagine we may have to wait for epic/mythic rulesets for this.


Shinmizu wrote:
gbonehead wrote:
Either way, it's likely to leave me cold, since I find it very unlikely they'll use a stealth addition to the rules under the kaiju template to support above-Colossal creatures, and if there aren't above-Colossal rules, we're looking at kaiju with a maximum footprint of 30 ft. by 30 ft.

I'd definitely like to see rules for an expanded size category collection--perhaps even an open-ended one, with a nice, consistent geometric progression of size.

Extremely large creatures could act as difficult terrain, with the PCs fighting on top of them, or climbing their sides, with rules for handling requisite climb/Dex/acrobatics-type checks. (I assume based on some combination of the movement speed and/or Dexterity of the large creature.)

At the other end, vanishingly small creatures could be treated as diseases/poisons/radiation sickness as they attack your immune system and organs. On the flip side, we can have players doing the same to insanely massive creatures.

I imagine we may have to wait for epic/mythic rulesets for this.

I agree with with a nice, consistent geometric progression of size. and I would like to see proper speed, weight, lift and size adjustments for size modifiers as well.

*Note this means a non-linear system with the refer to the creatures involved, not medium as the base.


I thought colossal just covered 30x30 and UP? So anything above 30x30 would still be colossal, it just no longer gets a mechanical differentiation to AC/DEX/AB/etc.

Maybe each of a kaiju's feet is a 30x30 space on the combat grid, but mechanically for all other purposes, it's still "just" colossal.


James Jacobs wrote:
Razz wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Still not early enough to say MUCH more, but you can expect the number of templates in this book to roughly equal the number in the first two Bestiaries—AKA, there'll be a few, but not a lot. Templates are neat, but they're kinda like prestige classes—they got overdone in 3.5, but also I think that a Bestiary's a better place for new monsters, rather than new monster recipes (aka Templates or advanced rules for existing monsters).

A big book of templates, a la Green Ronin's excellent "Advanced Bestiary," though, would be cool.

Sounds like you're also saying it'd be also cool to just do one big book of Prestige Classes so us PrC-Lovers can stop whining, right? ;)
I think a big prestige class book could be cool! Although I think it'd be a stronger book if it were a Campaign Setting book and not a generic rulebook so we could incorperate a bunch of world content.

Meh, that just makes adapting it to a generic or other setting much harder. I'd like to see more along the lines of what you guys did in the APG, very neutral. I say leave the campaign-specific PrC with the Campaign Setting line

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