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"Ghasterhall
The Palace of Travesties
Master: Gier (LE male demilich)"
Excuse me, where are demiliches statted? Are they in the bestiaries?
For now, there's not a Pathfinder version of the demilich stat block. The one we prefer is found in the Tome of Horrors, but there's a CR 29 version in the Epic Level book as well.
Chances of us doing a Pathfinder RPG stat block for a demilich by the end of this year are 100% though!
Chances of us doing a Pathfinder RPG stat block for a demilich by the end of this year are 100% though!
Got me kinda excited for a moment there before I realized the ToH III one was wayyyyy less powerful than the ELH one :)
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Chances of us doing a Pathfinder RPG stat block for a demilich by the end of this year are 100% though!Got me kinda excited for a moment there before I realized the ToH III one was wayyyyy less powerful than the ELH one :)
The ToH III one is one of the most dangerous encounters in the entire
It shipped today!!!!!!!!!!! Yay!
It shipped today!!!!!!!!!!! Yay!
Yep, as did mine. Along with my Faiths of Purity. :)
Awesome book! Man, I wish all of the region books were this detailed.
Am I the only one who wishes these types of books were name in a format like:
Ustalav: Rule of Fear
Many bookstore buyers don't like seeing words they don't know in book titles. It makes them order fewer copies. So we generally (but not always) try to avoid that.Am I the only one who wishes these types of books were name in a format like:
Ustalav: Rule of Fear
I certainly understand that, but it would be nice to get nation names somewhere on the cover for books like these.
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Addressing each of these to clear up any wonkiness:
Tiriac's Classes: Go with what's printed on page 29. I'm not seeing the vampire aristocrat 3/ranger 15 you mentioned in Caliphas. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong Caliphas section. What's the dude's name?
More on Carrion Hill: Ran out of room to discuss more creepy places I suppose. Folks looking for more information on Carrion Hill can learn more about it in Pathfinder Module: Carrion Hill.
Where's Lucimar?: This is not a mistake. Just wait for Pathfinder Adventure Path #48: Shadows of Gallowspire. };)
Whispering Way Alignment: While I could see an argument for regional branches of fractious organizations having distinct goals and thus alignments, purists might want to see an "N" instead of a "C" when they look at the alignment on that page.
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Having seen this and waiting for it to drop through my letter box I've been flicking through Complete guide to Vampires, Lich, werewolf, wererat, Classic Monsters Revisited and all my AD&D ravenloft stuff....I'm throwing anything in to throw the players off so they don't fall into the 'Oh, it's a vampire/werewolf/ghost/undead/minion' frame of mind.
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Having seen this and waiting for it to drop through my letter box I've been flicking thought Complete guide to Vampires, Lich, werewolf, wererat, Classic Monsters Revisited and all my AD&D ravenloft stuff....I'm throwing anything in to throw the players off so they don't fall into the 'Oh, it's a vampire/werewolf/ghost/undead/minion' frame of mind.
Undead Revisited is just around the corner, that might help as well.
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Since Wes is clearing up the confusion on Conte Tiriac's Level, I suppose I'll drop in and also ask about Alison Kindler. She's a Bard 6 / Pathfinder Chronicler 4 on page 13 and a Bard 9 / Pathfinder Chronicler 4 on page 38. Which of these is correct?
While I'm asking questions, on page 42 there's a character named Innkeeper Mishea Lessina. She's a cleric, but it doesn't list a deity for her. She's running an inn / tavern and is Chaotic Good, so I'd assume her deity was Cayden Cailean, but on the same page are mentioned secondhand tales of "festive Desnan elders" and "winemakers dedicated to Cayden Cailean", as well as a monastary that no one knows the true deity of. Is her deity Cayden Cailean, Desna, or supposed to be left a mystery?
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Aside from small issues like the level confusion on these NPCs, this has been an excellent book; I would go so far as to say it's one of Paizo's best setting guidebooks in recent memory. I hope to see more like it in the future.
On page 10 in the Amaans section it states that there is supposed to be a section for Katapesta in chapter 3, but looking in chapter 3, and everywhere else in the book, i dont see a section for Kavapesta. Is this a typo, or is my copy just missing the section detailing Kavapesta?
On page 40, under the "Notable NPCs" of Caliphas, there's a Luvick Siervage (LE male vampire aristocrat 2/fighter 15). Then there's Ristomaur Tiriac (LE male human vampire aristocrat 3/ranger 15) on page 29, vs. Ristomaur Tiriac (LE male human vampire aristocrat 3/ fighter 11) on page 59. Not a big deal really, just something I noticed - I figure if GMs are going to use Tiriac, they'll make him whatever level they want.
Totally. But yeah, go with whats in the write-up of Tiriac as legit.
As for Lucimar, I had this suspicion we'd hear from him again. I originally thought the idea of a wereworg lich was dopey, but the guy's sort of grown on me since.
Not me!
Lucimar: "You want me to square off against a bunch of high-level PCs?"Me: "No, Mr. Lichwolf... I expect you to die"
Tune into PF #48 for the resolution to all that.
Thanks for clearing things up Wes.
No prob!
Alison Kindler: She's a Bard 6 / Pathfinder Chronicler 4 on page 13 and a Bard 9 / Pathfinder Chronicler 4 on page 38. Which of these is correct?
In this case - and 9 out of 10 times in any product where you see this sort of incongruity - I'd go with the section that focuses on the individual and not the peripheral mention. Though I reserve the right to change that decision if I ever stat her up.
While I'm asking questions, on page 42 there's a character named Innkeeper Mishea Lessina. She's a cleric, but it doesn't list a deity for her. She's running an inn / tavern and is Chaotic Good, so I'd assume her deity was Cayden Cailean, but on the same page are mentioned secondhand tales of "festive Desnan elders" and "winemakers dedicated to Cayden Cailean", as well as a monastary that no one knows the true deity of. Is her deity Cayden Cailean, Desna, or supposed to be left a mystery?
I'd go with Desna, though, again, I reserve the right to change that if she ever gets stated up down the line. Desna's just a better fit with the Varisian dominance of the region and Archerhome's former affiliation.
On page 10 in the Amaans section it states that there is supposed to be a section for Katapesta in chapter 3, but looking in chapter 3, and everywhere else in the book, i dont see a section for Kavapesta. Is this a typo, or is my copy just missing the section detailing Kavapesta?
Quite the opposite. Kavapesta is ONLY in my version of the book. One of the towns I wrote up had to die to fit within the book's 64 pages and that was the one, though sadly that mention apparently survived. Fortunately, much of the information on the city found its way into the timeline and the description of Bishop Ulametria and the Pharasmin Penitence. And before people ask to see the handful of idea drained locations I had written for this, no, I'm not sharing.
So nah. :P
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Since we're all throwing in here, let me do the same. Ahem:
"Dear inconsistent sirs, I see that the spelling of Ustalav's ruling family changes with some regularity between 'Odranti' and 'Ordranti.'
"Additionally, between this book, the Inner Sea World Guide, and an un-released product, there is an additional inconsistency in the spelling of the town and castle Corvischior. Is it 'Corvischior' or 'Corvischoir?'
"As adhering to canon is central to my pride as a GM, it is imperative you resolve this matter immediately. Thank you"
Huh... that is kind of liberating.
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"Dear inconsistent sirs, I see that the spelling of Ustalav's ruling family changes with some regularity between 'Odranti' and 'Ordranti.'
While I'm not super excited about your tone, I'll go ahead an answer your questions because I'm a frickin' prince.
Short story: Ordranti. Longer story: Ordranti is probably most pervasive, appears in the header with the prince's name, and appears in the Inner Sea World Guide. That said, I think at one point I meant to rectify having the name "Ordranti" and the place "Odranto" by losing the superfluous "r." Didn't quite carry through on that one apparently. So, lets go with Ordranti since its out there and is in all the headers and call it done.
"Additionally, between this book, the Inner Sea World Guide, and an un-released product, there is an additional inconsistency in the spelling of the town and castle Corvischior. Is it 'Corvischior' or 'Corvischoir?'
The name was always supposed to be "Corvischoir," but apparently I can't spell "choir" and didn't realize that when the whole name - being a made-up word - got underlined by my spellchecker. So, in the campaign setting, Rule of Fear, and everyplace else - but one unreleased place - it's been Corvischior. That said, when I noticed this "mispelling," I corrected it in the product I saw it in, not realizing how pervasive it was. So now, in 9 out of 10 places, the town and castle are called Corvischior, and lets got with that as the canon spelling. But whenever I run a game set there, the locals will adhere to a confusingly quaint custom of pronouncing their community's name as "Corvischoir."
Hope this helps... jerk.
Awesome, thanks for the response, would really like to see the Kavapesta entry that did not make it in, but i understand that some things must be cut. Just glad to know that i didnt get a copy with missing content.
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Since we're all throwing in here, let me do the same. Ahem:
"Dear inconsistent sirs, I see that the spelling of Ustalav's ruling family changes with some regularity between 'Odranti' and 'Ordranti.'
"Additionally, between this book, the Inner Sea World Guide, and an un-released product, there is an additional inconsistency in the spelling of the town and castle Corvischior. Is it 'Corvischior' or 'Corvischoir?'
"As adhering to canon is central to my pride as a GM, it is imperative you resolve this matter immediately. Thank you"
Huh... that is kind of liberating.
Woah. Nerdraging your own book! BRILLIANT!
Lucimar: "You want me to square off against a bunch of high-level PCs?"
Me: "No, Mr. Lichwolf... I expect you to die"Tune into PF #48 for the resolution to all that.
Lucimar may be expected to die...but he doesn't do so easily. Stay tuned, true believers!!!
Lucimar may be expected to die...but he doesn't do so easily. Stay tuned, true believers!!!
I JUST finished editing that section. You're not kidding! Delightfully messed up stuff!
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Woah. Nerdraging your own book! BRILLIANT!Since we're all throwing in here, let me do the same. Ahem:
"Dear inconsistent sirs, I see that the spelling of Ustalav's ruling family changes with some regularity between 'Odranti' and 'Ordranti.'
"Additionally, between this book, the Inner Sea World Guide, and an un-released product, there is an additional inconsistency in the spelling of the town and castle Corvischior. Is it 'Corvischior' or 'Corvischoir?'
"As adhering to canon is central to my pride as a GM, it is imperative you resolve this matter immediately. Thank you"
Huh... that is kind of liberating.
Just don't make him hungry. You wouldn't like him when he's....hungry.
Lucimar may be expected to die...but he doesn't do so easily. Stay tuned, true believers!!!I JUST finished editing that section. You're not kidding! Delightfully messed up stuff!
Well, yeah -turns out Lucimar isn't one to sit idly by and wait for PCs to gang-bang him. He's a wolf, and wolves HUNT! ;-)
Lucimar isn't one to sit idly by and wait for PCs to gang-bang him.
My eyes! My eyes! That image was too much for me!
I like Corvischoir too so will use that (because I don't know how to pronounce Corvischior).
I like Corvischoir too so will use that (because I don't know how to pronounce Corvischior).
That was what brought it to my attention, when Sutter asked me a question about 'Corvish-she-or.' To which I was like, "WTF? 'Corvis Choir,' dummy." And then he pointed it out, and was like "Learn to spell, dummy." And I was like "Awwwwwww. Sad day."
And then Vic found the last 10 posts of this thread and e-mailed the link to everyone in the company under the title "I think Wes might need a Vaction."
True facts.
Lucimar may be expected to die...but he doesn't do so easily. Stay tuned, true believers!!!
Lucimar: "You want me to square off against a bunch of high-level PCs?"
Me: "No, Mr. Lichwolf... I expect you to die"Tune into PF #48 for the resolution to all that.
Just the news that we'll get a statblock and writeup for Lucimar the Lichwarg has sold me on PF #48. It's always good to see some more anthropomorphic wolves in PFRPG.
Are there two Beasts of Lepidstadt? The description of the two of them seem very different between the timeline in Rule of Fear and content of Trial of the Beast.
No.
If you're referring to the bit about Dr. Moritz in the timeline, that's the public story of what went down and how the Beast was created. Those in the know (or GMs who read on) will find there's more beyond that story.
That was what brought it to my attention, when Sutter asked me a question about 'Corvish-she-or.' To which I was like, "WTF? 'Corvis Choir,' dummy." And then he pointed it out, and was like "Learn to spell, dummy." And I was like "Awwwwwww. Sad day."
Seriously, just ret-con the spelling. No one will think any less of you.
Well, beyond those that already think less of you, but haters will be haters.
And no vacation until all of Carrion Crown is sent to the printers! Sorry!
About halfway done reading this, and as much as i love the information in the book, and as much as i love Pathfinder, i do have one problem with this book, and its mainly a format thing. I personally dont like that the section on the counties does not include the city that is pertinent to it. To me it is kind of cumbersome to have to flip ahead to another chapter to read about a city that is in the county that i am currently reading about. A minor thing, but kind of irritating. Just my own personal opinion that the cities should have been included in the county descriptions instead of being in a "cities" chapter.
Other than that i would say that i am enjoying the read, and am glad to get more info on Ustalav, since i was always wanting more than the too short descriptions we have got heretofore.
I thought that was part of the joke, Vic!
Yup. That cinches it. My time off request form will be completed by week's end. I'm already planning a lovely trip to bed until noon, followed by not reading or writing anything, and maybe a trip to Mass Effect 2.
got mine today, and I'm quite disappointed that instead of getting the entire book, they bound pages 1-48, then instead of pages 49-whatever they put duplicates of pages 1-16 in the back. :( hopefully customer service will take care of this.
I'm sure they will, assuming that this isn't how you let them know :)
Jeez, I better look at mine.
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got mine today, and I'm quite disappointed that instead of getting the entire book, they bound pages 1-48, then instead of pages 49-whatever they put duplicates of pages 1-16 in the back. :( hopefully customer service will take care of this.
That's a printer error—let customer service know either via these boards, email, or a phone call and they'll get you a replacement sent ASAP.
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Q1: What were the influences for the Versex city of Thrushmoor? Two other Versex communities have obvious Lovecraft influences: Illmarsh is clearly inspired by Innsmouth, while Carrion Hill calls to mind the labyrinthine cities featured in stories like "The Music of Eric Zahnn." Thrushmoor kind of reminds me of the quaint New England town where things appear normal on the surface - until you dig a little deeper. I'm not sure though. (I ask this because, as a GM, I'd love to set a campaign in Versex, and I'd like to know where to look for more inspiration).
Q2: What happened to the anicent Kellids of Ustalav? Based on what I can piece together, Ustalav was originally ruled by primitive people who worshiped the Great Old Ones. However, there seem to be hints that, at some point, they realized the folley of propitiating such awful things, and found some more friendly deities (maybe - I'm not sure on this). Despite being scattered by the Varisians, I figure pockets of Kellids had to survive. What did they do? I know some interbred with Varisians (the swamp people of Sinaria for example), but what of the rest of them? And do they continue worshiping their dark gods?
As a side note, I think the Kellids would make a perfect backdrop for a Pathfinder version of "The Rats in the Walls," wherein a PC slowly learns that his/her ancestors were cannibals who enslaved - and fed on - subhuman Kellids.
I'm not the author, but I did help a little bit with the Lovecraft influences in Ustalav.
Thrushmoor is more or less meant to be a stand-in for Arkham.
The ancient Kellids mostly movied into areas like the Realm of the Mammoth Loards, Numeria, and Sarkoris (which is now the Worldwound), where in time they became the modern Kellids. There are indeed still isolated pockets of them in Ustalav, and some of them DO still worship the Great Old Ones.