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Well, that covers every publisher, apart from WotC itself, that I regularly purchase physical stuff from!

Is this still intended to be released, with the OGL problems?

As the title, thanks. Also cancel my beginner box pre order

Joan H. wrote:

Shipping Update:

Hi folks, thanks so much for your patience this month. I wanted to drop in for a correction and an update on shipping. Street date for our July subscriptions is actually Thursday, July 30, which aligns with the start of GenCon. I'm so sorry for the confusion! Additionally, shipping is taking longer than estimated, and the Warehouse Team has let us know that most folks should expect their shipping confirmation on Friday, July 31.

I know this is really disappointing news for some, so I wanted to take some time to break down two major factors contributing to this delay.

1. July is a massive month for subscriptions. Most of our subscription lines have a product releasing, which means orders take longer to build.

2. The warehouse team is taking extra pandemic precautions. As the only team that can't work remotely, Paizo is making sure to put their health and safety first. All of the team are working spread out in the warehouse and limiting interactions, which means that everything just takes a little longer. Those seconds and minutes add up for a big month like July.

Finally, I wanted to address some speculative comments with a blanket statement. We're always doing our best to look out for our customers, and thinking of how we can minimize impact to you all as much as possible when an issue or delay arises. It's not in our nature to "take it easy" while books are sitting unshipped and messages are waiting to be answered. Thanks again for your patience and understanding. If you have a concern with your order beyond the shipping delay, please open a new thread and we'll get to you as quickly as possible.

thanks for the update. But I'm wondering are our pdf's being delayed as well until our books ship?

Yes, subscribers get their PDF when their books ship, even if it is after Street Release date. Release date is 30th, as mentioned in the quoted post, shipping should be finished by the 31st. So some of us will get the PDFs after the date you can buy them direct from the Paizo store. It's happened before, and it will happen again. I find it's best to just enjoy the FREE PDFs when they arrive, rather than stress about it. Then again, I'm in NZ, so my books won't arrive for months either - but they'll get here :)

so there's no benefits to subscribing other than a pdf

Correct. And that's exactly what it says on the product pagE . Free PDF is pretty cool, to me. We are still within the published shipping window, until Wednesday. No point stressing about it until that point is passed, because someone had to be the absolute last shipment.

Update: FYI, the Core Rulebook has now moved to backorder status. You should still be able to place orders and redeem Humble Bundle codes for it.

oh cool, will the next run included the errata?

And it is call 'Juneteenth' as a portmanteau of June Nineteenth, the date of Gen. Order No. 3. I think etymology is always interesting!

Happy Juneteenth USA :)

Yeah my April and May subs are somewhere between USA and NZ. Our borders are pretty much closed, and everything from overseas is massively delayed. But I'll take that for 14 days no new cases, and an end to all internal restrictions next week!

I 100% agree witht he use of the word "Lycanthrope". It should not be the word for all werecreatures; that's why we changed it from lycanthrope in 1st edition to werecreature in 2nd.

The only place we talk about lycanthropy in the book is in a single sidebar on page 291, and it's in the context of "Many scholars..." When you see us attribute in-world lore like this, the intent is to frame that lore in a potentially unreliable narrator. Some scholars are wrong, and those who apply the word "lycanthropy" to all werecreatures are not correct (as the sidebar notes) yet they still do so. In the same way we in this world use words like "Kleenex" for facial tissues, "band-aid" for adhesive bandages, or "D&D" for fantasy-based RPGs (couldn't resist that one! :P).

The whole point of the sidebar was to enable the use of the word "lycanthrope" in the game, if only as an often-misused term, so that readers who look back at other 1st edition products aren't potentially confused, and because the word itself is a really neat word and I didn't want it to get completely excised from the game.

As for using real-world words... look at it this way. When we publish books like this, we're translating the words to English (or Italian or Spanish or whatever) so all of us at Paizo can edit them and so all of you out there can read them. None of us can speak or read Taldane or any other made-up language from Golarion, so we don't publish in that language. If we did, words like "lycanthrope" and "tyrannosaurs" would be spelled differently and with a different alphabet and would sound different... as would words like "wizard" or "cat" or "the." :-P

Tolkien did it, so why not Paizo ;-)

Ka mau te wehi!

As with all things in RPG games, I think that context is key here. If you have a familiar that is traveling on it's own, you may need to use it's sneak if it would be odd for that animal to be around. If for instance you had a cat for a familiar and you happened to be in a cave. If however you were in a town, it wouldn't be weird for that familiar to just be walking around, meaning that it's stealth is largely irrelevant.

I usually allow my wizard who happens to have a cat familiar let it ride in his robes, sidestepping the whole issue. I don't have a character with an Animal Companion in my current campaign, but if I did I would likely give allowances to the character to make stealth easier.

Animal Companions that are traveling directly with the party would need to roll, and would need to be included in the group roll if their bonus was the lowest. However if you say had a bird companion and were in the woods, I wouldn't force you to make the bird go into stealth unless it's presence would somehow be out of the ordinary.

Another option would be to have an Animal Companion move "off screen" during sneaking situations, letting it basically tail the party from a safe distance, and largely be forgotten about until something happens. This ends up being a hand waive situation, with the rider that the animal companion may not start directly next to their controlling player if combat breaks out.

Unless you use your Animal Companion as a mount, I see no reason for it to always move with the party, and if you have a horse, well it would make sense that it wouldn't be very sneaky so should constitute a penalty to stealth as is.

Edited for clarity.

My loyal raven familiar, who has, naturally, been at my side all along

A full list web add-on PDF would be cool tho, don;t take up any pages, but have a full list for easy reference. I guess that is something that would be OK for a fan PDF?

Getting your PDF early is not one of the offered benefits of subscribing, although it is often happens as a nice bonus. I'm in NZ so getting stuff shipped from the USA teaches one patience ;)

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But I'm a Steve too, tons of gaming stuff, 90% is for reading. I play 5E with my kids, so the Books and DDB for that get used. Everything else is for my reading.

Yossarian wrote:

Even with massive economies of scale and horrible warehouse worker conditions [Amazon] still doesn't make a profit.

That's old info. Amazon has been turning a profit for years now. Their gross profit (revenue minus direct costs) for the twelve months ending June 30, 2019 was $104 billion dollars. Net income (which accounts for all expenses) for the same period was over $10 billion.

ha, I'd hardly call ten billion a worthwhile profit....

;)

W00t! How things have changed in the good parts of society since I started DnD in the 70s......

Love for all, whomever you are - Arohanui

For those in a tough place - kia kaha - stay strong

Knowing my luck I'll be in the 2nd August ship, and it'll be mid-September before I see my books! Not that it bothers me, we're used to that down here in the Southern Hemisphere :-)

Thanks for the information, Diego.

For the shipping of subscriptions, will you be prioritising overseas subscribers to be early in the shipping process? My books typically take 3 weeks to reach me here in NZ, and while I could tolerate the PDF for a little while before they arrive, I'd much rather read the rules from the book.

I feel your pain! But such is life in Aotearoa!

The big bad was a Dany fan, and after watching the last GoT season went 'that looks like a perfectly logical, and not rushed, way to do things'

Or buy Deluxe and separately just the PDF, you don;t need a sub to get the PDF. Just PDF for free!

I'm hoping this is a good into for someone who has never played or read Golarion books. Tho that might not be popular on these boards, with some invested fans! :)

The thread title made me think 'ugh, I hope someone cleans up that alchemical mess!'

It does look simple to run, but also a lot of interesting bits. I play 5E ATM, which is great fro speed and simplicity behind the DMs screen, but a lot of monsters lack any individuality/interesting stuff to do. It's a balance that is hard to get. 4E was great for that, at least, and it looks like PF2 has picked some of the goodness from there

It's been doing the same for me, with every subscription I try. Previously with the card game, now with all the 2e books. Other people are posting the same thing, so it is a system error. I'm just waiting until all the 1e stuff is gone from the subscription starting points!

Maybe a voice of a minority here, but I would gladly pay for a well-designed, professional 5e conversion guide, even in just pdf form, for each upcoming AP and setting guide. I prefer playing 5e for its rules simplicity, but love the complexity of the Pathfinder setting and stories.

I don't think you're alone, there are a lot of Paizo fans that prefer 5e, me being in of them, and I'd be on board. It would have to be a third party, I guess, as Paizo wouldn't have the time (and expertise?) to do the conversion but they could publish it. Maybe this will happen later on down the 2e track, when Paizo have that more sorted. This bestiary is a teaser towards that!

Will there be a character deck expansion so you can play Dragon's Demand with 6 players?

It does say this in the CotCT expansion box though:

"This set includes the storybook and cards for the Curse of the Crimson Throne Adventure Path. It requires the Pathfinder Adventure Card Game Core Set and expands the maximum number of players to 6 for that set. "

It doesn't make a huge amount of sense when you consider the main consideration in all weapons damage is how big they are, that sets the base. Technically there are differences but from dagger to great sword is basically a scale of knives - with size being the damage differentiator. I reckon a large great sword is as different size wise from a medium great sword as a short sword is the other way, yet only one way makes a damage difference.

Nice write up and covers most what I think too, apart from three things:

I don't mind it doesn't 'feel' like PF1, I'm not hardcore on pathfinder anymore and like the game for what it is.

I love resonance because I don't like the mass of potions and and in 1E, in fact I never have magic stores in my games. Resonance is a good solution to crafting and using crazy amounts of one shot items.

And 'sleep is still a very powerful spell for example, perhaps more powerful now than ever before' what? Sleep has been totally nerfed, it is now weak in combat, imo (and Paizo's opinion!)
"A creature that falls asleep from this spell doesn't fall prone or drop what it's holding. This spell doesn't prevent creatures from waking up due to a successful Perception check, making it of limited use mid-combat." With the noise of combat you are waking on your turn, as a free action.

But great write up, i especially want to emphasise the emphasis ;) needed about DCs. A DC is set in the world is just that Pc's are more likely to encounter higher DCs in the place they adventure at higher levels. A great way to emphasise this is to put high level DCs in low level adventures. Put that DC 33 climb wizards tower in a level 1 adventure, they'll probably never get up it, but you never know the genius on players! And if they do they'll get a great sense of achievement...

...before the wizard turns them all into toads!

I'm wondering if this lack of ways to break out of the standard tropes is on purpose, to narrow the focus of the playtest, it makes it easier to test narrow rules. The problem is tho, pathfinder has so long been about options (millions of them when you add in third party) that players will focus on what they've lost rather than trialling the chassis. If this is the case Paizo would do well to explicitly state this, in HUGE letters, somewhere.

They mentioned that about multi classing, only core four given, but I think it applies throughout the rules

I'll be impressed if my NZ order arrives on or around 13 August as mentioned by Vic, if shipped just now! That's expedited shipping speed, normally 100USD! Expedited to NZ says 2-3 days, but it never is always closer to a week - don't trust those Amazon estimates IME.

But I was happy with the cost of the shipping when I ordered, very reasonable. And I don't feel I'm getting the books 'late' anything in Aug is actually within Paizo's shipping estimate when I was ordering - 11 to 40 BUSINESS days. I ordered not expecting it to be shipped early to make release date, that was mentioned much later, so I'm fine with what Paizo has done. And I get $15 bonus.

Living on the other side of the Pacific makes one very chilled about delays, C'est La Vie, not worth getting wound up over. Life's to short to stress the small stuff etc. I'd be dead of a heart attack if I got riled after every shipping to NZ delay :-)

Thanks for keeping us in the loop Paizo, and I feel for you being on the receiving end of negativity from Amazon's error.

Kyra

Cleric is up for perusal. Has the heal power changed since the blog?

Even just renaming pirate to sailor would open up around 99% more of the nautical based professions out there!

wizzardman wrote:

BPorter wrote:

In game explanations of the fantastic I can get behind. It's one of the appealing facets of fantasy games. However, saying "I can now break the realities of the game solely on the basis of 'I leveled high enough'" is way past the line of internal consistency. I'd hate it in a video game and I sure as hell hate it in my tabletop RPGs.

I'm with BPorter on this one. The idea of providing abilities that violate internal consistency without a magical explanation (cue arguments that the fact that the world contains magic at all solves the inconsistency) isn't particularly appealing within my group. It looks like my restriction list for PF2E may end up being a lot higher than it was for PF1.

You can always house-rule that legendary skills are you drawing on ambient magic. The only crunch difference I see this making is that they'll fail in an AMF.

yeah that's the option I would take, magic is every where and you use it to do legendary things. Means magic free zones are a real problem for all classes! But by that level I'll probably not care, it's just going for the awesome. When I want to play a gritty more realistic game, pathfinder would never be my choice anyway

The amount of flexibility and choice touched on in the previews, even with the base classes and one book, appears amazing. That's what's impressing me the most about the playtest so far. Not great for those that have analysis paralysis with character creation and levelling, then pathfinder has never been the game for those players.

I like the ease of use of bulk, otherwise we never use encumbrance

Yeah I'm happy with making hobgoblins look like goblins, but that one looks dead. Archers have huge shoulders and arms

Terrible art for the Hobgoblin.

Reynolds is doubling down on his art style, the dwarf has hooves! And a triangular head,I think he needs to normalise a bit

I'd be sad, it's something that is very 3E/PF, it makes sense too. Making some sense from DnD's weird AC system.

Does sound like an interesting change in game mechanics.

I like the idea that spells get better as your caster level increases.
Sounds a lot better than cantrips being little tiddlers no matter how powerful the spell caster is.

I take it that there will still be the basic difference between INT based wizards and CHA based sorcerers?
(i.e. books and versatility vs. a limited selection of spells that are ingrained)

It was initially contemplated to term character power as rank, spell complexity was to be termed power, and monster strength was to be termed as order. Thus, instead of a 9th level character encountering a 7th level monster on the 8th dungeon level and attacking it with a 4th level spell, the terminology would have been: A 9th rank character encountered a 7th order monster on the 8th (dungeon) level and attacked it with a 4th power spell. However, because of existing usage, level is retained throughout with all four meanings, and it is not as confusing as it may now seem.

Gary Gygax thought it was too late to change in 1978, good luck with getting it changed forty years later! :-)

It seems PF2 is very much trying to cut down on the number of terms you need to know. Getting rid of lots of class features etc calling them all feats. Bye to different action types, they're just actions. And anything that is a magical power is a spell.

Fuzzypaws wrote:

I think they're saying Int Cha for gnomes and Dex Int for goblins, yeah.

Int Cha would actually be okay for Golarion Gnomes. It would move them fully away from the "reskinned Dwarf" space, and emphasize both their inherent curiosity and their extroversion. And it would mean we wouldn't have so many races with +Dex and could get more than just elves with +Int.

Hmmm... That'd be interesting, but I'm working off the assumption that they want to keep it one mental bonus, one physical.

EDIT: also, gnomes were not a + dex race.

I hope that the designers don't restrict themselves to arbitrary rules like one physical one mental bonus for the sake of symmetry. It opens up a much larger design space if you can go for any two that seem right. With the other floating bonus, you can cover what you want on an individual basis. Although I guess having three mental bonuses is not great for any class with the way spells etc work, but three physical makes that race default for basic warrior types. So maybe no two physical bonus races? Dunno.

Just for those who want reference, this is how the 1 or 2 action version of the heal spell scales:

Lvl 01: 1d8+
Lvl 02: 3d8+
Lvl 03: 5d8+
Lvl 04: 7d8+
Lvl 05: 9d8+
Lvl 06: 11d8+
Lvl 07: 13d8+
Lvl 08: 15d8+
Lvl 09: 17d8+
Lvl 10: 19d8+

The 3 action version:

Lvl 01: 0d8+
Lvl 02: 1d8+
Lvl 03: 2d8+
Lvl 04: 3d8+
Lvl 05: 4d8+
Lvl 06: 5d8+
Lvl 07: 6d8+
Lvl 08: 7d8+
Lvl 09: 8d8+
Lvl 10: 9d8+

Those are the healing numbers, and damage numbers for the three action versus undead, there is also these numbers for damage

1 or 2 action damage versus undead
Lvl 01: 1d8+
Lvl 02: 2d8+
Lvl 03: 3d8+
Lvl 04: 4d8+
Lvl 05: 5d8+
Lvl 06: 6d8+
Lvl 07: 7d8+
Lvl 08: 8d8+
Lvl 09: 9d8+
Lvl 10: 10d8+

The Heal spell looks complex and confusing, so much so the Blog writer got it wrong as far as I can tell.

"Heightened (+1) Increase the amount of healing or damage by 1d8, or by 2d8 if you're using the one- or two-action version to heal the living."

So if healing using the radius 3 action version OR doing damage add 1d8, if you are healing using the touch or ranged (1, 2 action) then add another 2d8

This gives these variations as a level 2 spell
Touch heal 3d8+mod, 1 action
Touch attack 2d8+mod, 1 action, required touch attack success
Ranged heal 3d8+mod, 2 actions
Ranged attack 2d8+mod, 2 actions, save half
Radius heal or attack 1d8+mod, 3 actions, save for half damage

None of those is "So a 2nd-level heal spell heals or damages one target for 2d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier"

Yeah it's very 13th Age. One of the things I like about the system

So the Buhlman Universal Role Play System... ?

Some of these look like paper critical gashing injuries, rather than the tiny paper cuts the OP was talking about!

Gorbacz wrote:

Also, Paizo did not purchase the rights from WotC. OGL is a perpetual, open, royalty-free license.

OGL allowed the publication of supplements referencing the rules, but did not allow republication of the rules or alteration of the rules. Republication required express permission of WOTC (now Hasbro).

I seem to recall Pazio saying they "secured the rights from WOTC to republish existing rules." That was very important because otherwise the OGL clearly stated they couldn't do so without that permission. Perhaps there wasn't a financial aspect to that agreement, but I think there was a contract.

Ken

You've totally got it wrong there, Ken. I think you maybe mixing the OGL with the bastardised GSL issued, eventually, with 4E - the tardiness and restrictiveness being a reason lots of publishers didn't support 4E. The OGL gives you the entire 3E core rules to do with what you want, thus there are dozens of games based on them. Pathfinder is just one.

I'm interested how the damage on a miss is going to work, fighter's feat wise. There was a lot of push back in 4E about that. Would a poisoned blade still apply poison damage? I guess it would, but maybe not if it is a failure and poisoned blade (etc) only does poison damage on a success.

For those of you, like me, who had the 20th in their calendar - it appears pre-orders have been pushed back to the 27th. There is the option to pick up from Gen Con, and the pre-order still ends on May 1st

http://paizo.com/pathfinderplaytest

Chaotic_Blues wrote:

Please tell me there are multiple exp track options. I never was a fan of the fast xp progression track.

it sepulchre be very easy to cater to your desired rate of advancement, just change the retired do per level from 1000. Level every 500, 600,...2000 xp. Changing it to 2000 means you know it will take twice as fast as normal. An advantage of the new xp system.

Jeez never post from your phone....