kyrt-ryder wrote:PF Paladin is still Tier 4 by the JaronK style tiering. It's a high tier 4 but indeed tier 4.
Not really; PF paladin got better saves, better smite, ability to remove afflictions and break enchantments, more uses of smite, immune to more things, have auras that buff allies, detect evil was expanded, better damage, more durable mount, can identify magic, better spells and an actual capstone. Tier 3 now. Low tier 3 (IMO) but tier 3.
Personally, I do think it should still be Better. Giving it 4 skill points per level and their mount gets half-celestial eventually.
It is usually placed in tier 4 though I guess you could make an argument for tier 3. The issue is whichever of those you place it in, if paladin got an additional +10 damage per level on all attacks it would not move up because that tier list is all about flexibility, especially in ideal circumstances. Fundamentally, its about how given enough time, a mid-high level wizard can prepare for a specific known quantity and solve it at least as well as anyone else.
I have a lot of issues with this tiering system which is why I jumped on this thread at the chance to show the OP's requested style of tier list.
Unfortunately I am incapable of doing the skill floors and ceilings because I just cannot decide how incompetent the floor is and how ridiculous (and probably banned in my games) the ceiling is.
An example of this issue would be sorcerer vs wizard. A terrible player would be better at wizard because if they pick something dumb they can change their minds later. A pretty good player will pick solid spells and sorcerer will be better but a GREAT wizard might have all the spells needed for a particular day but an EVEN BETTER sorcerer will pick spells that don't conflict and have UMD for the fringe cases the wizard would have an advantage at and therefore have the edge case spells and the awesome bloodline arcanas and greater spells per day. It can ramp up or down infinitely in either direction to even something like all the spell choices made are so garbage and the sorc gets more free abilities so is better...