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The settlement alignment restrictions is what drove us to split into three guilds. We needed a place for every member to play whatever alignment they wanted. It wasn't a strategic move. One massive Pax Aeturnum would have been more of a threat than what we have now.

We did not split into three guilds. Aeturnum and Golgotha existed before the merger. Fidelis was created after that merger, and we are not running it in the land rush specifically because we believe it goes against the spirit of the land rush.

One statement for the problem being "Aeternum members voting for Golgotha because Aeternum no longer needs to worry about their own land rush position."

We have audited our votes. We are gaining 5 votes from Aeturnum. We are losing 3 votes from Golgotha because they are locked into Aeturnum. There is a difference of 2 votes. Does anyone think that 2 votes is making us "no longer [sic] need to worry about their own land rush"?

So Pax not doing what they are asked to do has set a new and horrible standard for the community, they don't even care what we think because they are gone.

We aren't responding. That doesn't mean we aren't reading.

Pax Golgotha is considering this matter closed for now, and we are withdrawing from this thread. We have said what we believe needs to be said. We have defended our position such that it is clear where we stand. Again, if anyone has further concerns, they can either message me here, or they can find us at www.paxgaming.com. We are always willing to talk.

Though I can't speak for members of Aeturnum (because we are separate), I would like to publicly request that this be the last post from a member of Pax Golgotha in this thread, barring a substantial development. I would like to take a moment to thank those community members that have supporting Golgotha in this. We are thankful, and we are mindful of what has been said.

To those who disagreed with our position, I hope that we at least swayed you a little bit.

And House Karnath. Any Golgothans that voted for Aeturnum in the first land rush are barred from voting elsewhere this time around. There are maybe three of us, and we all did it by mistake. It's why my vote is currently on Aeturnum, which makes roster checks really difficult.

Golgotha - We know drama™

We are only out classed by the UNC drama generation.

Congratulations on 50 members, Golgotha.

Thank you! Onward, to 100!

For visual learners, Pax Gaming presents a Prezi presentation that might help people with the structure of the Xeilian empire;

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We have addressed that point. EE votes are free to be placed wherever the owner wishes to place them. We aren't forcing anyone to do anything. If an Aeturnum member chooses not to direct their votes our way, that is their choice. The developers have addressed this point on the forums. The only limit ever given by the developers was that first land rush voters cannot change their vote if they voted for the big three. We are self policing so that that is the case.

We appreciate that some community members have concerns. We have made our statement. If the developers decide that Golgotha is going against the letter of the rules, then they can tell us. Our communication with them so far shows that that isn’t the case. That Golgotha was accepted into the land rush supports this. If anyone wants to talk further, I am happy to do so on the Pax Gaming forums, but I don’t think that it helps anyone for us to have a back and forth here.

First, a throw away, really? If you are going to accuse us of something, at least have the temerity to take accountability. But for the sake of assuaging the fears of others, I'm going to address this now. Hopefully we can finally get it out of the way.

What I see is a majority of Golgotha’s applicants come from Aeternum and Fidelus, judging by their own rosters, unless those are not kept up to date.

That statement is false. I can prove that it is false, though it will take me some time to run down the particulars. The vast majority of Golgothas members either pre-date our merger into Pax Gaming, or they have joined since then specifically to play with Golgotha. If I had to guess off hand, we have gained less than ten members from within Pax. The rosters that we keep on the public facing parts of the website are not kept up to date. We have had members join since then, and we have also received votes within the land rush from individuals not directly affiliated with Pax. Asserting that we are primarily a shell group of Aeturnum has absolutely no basis in fact, and as I said above, I am willing to prove it.

And Lee’s later statement about voting for the guild you want to win, was directed at unaffiliated players. Not a tool for large organizations to influence the competition. Which also goes against what Ryan said in the bolded section above.

That is an opinion, and in my own opinion, an unfounded one. For reference, the quote from Lee that we are talking about is the following;

If you have an EE account you can apply to join any guild you want and help them get a settlement. Maybe trade your vote for promise of future favors in game? You won't get to choose settlements directly, the guild administrator does that, but you can affect what guilds get to choose. You don't have to join that settlement once the game starts; this isn't a binding contract.

Aeturnum and Fidelis have a vested interest in Golgothan military supremacy. We are all members of the same nation group (The Xeilian Empire), in much the same way that the members of the Roseblood Accord are closely related diplomatically. As long as they didn't vote for Aeturnum in the first land rush, their spare members have every developer given right to vote for whoever they damn well please. Aeturnum members giving their spare votes to Golgotha is exactly the same as Golgotha giving our spare votes to, say, Aragon, because we want to build a close friendship with them. To be clear, this stance is cutting us both ways; we have quite a few members in Golgotha that cannot vote in this landrush because they mistakenly voted for Aeturnum in the first. It's a negligible number, but it's large enough that it almost entirely outweighs any benefits we are getting from our Pax associates.

We are following the rules given out by the developers. We have been in private communication with the developers regarding this exact thing, primarily because we want to be certain that we are not breaking those rules. We are doing everything in our power to be as transparent as possible while still pursuing our stated goals, which we deem perfectly legitimate.

Golgotha existed before our merger with Pax, and we could exist should our alliance fail. The votes we would lose in the fallout of that collapse would be negligible when it comes to the leaderboards. We might fall below Keepers, but no further. In fact, by joining Pax we lost more members than we have gained internally. Golgotha would be in a better spot when it comes to votes had we never joined Pax (not that we mind, we made lots of friends along the way).

And so ends the official statement from Golgotha. Onto my personal statement;

If Pax Gaming wanted to do a massive land grab in this land rush then we could almost certainly grab more than two settlements. We have enough votes, right now, to get… eight settlements. More if we are only looking to get the back end of the leader board. We aren’t doing that. We don’t want to do that. And believe me, we would be getting recruits out the ass if we did that; people love to live in the blob. Any large organisation could step into the scene right now and screw everything up. We aren’t that kind of organisation.

TEO is a member of Covenant of the Phoenix; would it be kosher to create a new "guild" and tell all the other CotP members to vote for that guild so we could get a second settlement?

Did CotP have a presence in Pathfinder Online before the TEO merger? No. It didn’t. The circumstances are entirely different. This would have merit if instead of Golgotha, Pax was trying to get Fidelis a settlement right out of the gate. But we aren’t. Because that would be against the spirit of the rules. We have the numbers to do that, it wouldn’t be difficult for us. But we aren’t going to, because we aren’t jerks.

I am responding to this, but it might take me a little bit to type it up. This will be sorted here and now.

With cookies.

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So vicious, wow.

Many wolf

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I imagine it's immersion breaking. Difficult to publish "Weapon Skill 50+ Company" in a book.

The map that this particular one is based off of is definitely the one that the Big Three got sent to decide where their settlements would be, so I think that it is the most up to date version.

We should be able to catch Goblins out in the wilderness, and each time they would have the face of one of the developers. Then we can raise them, train them, and ultimately battle them. PokeGobs.

My Dancey is in the top percentage of Dancey.

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What is it to be Evil in Golgotha?

So Golgotha is currently doing rather well in the landrush, but as I hope many of you other up and coming settlements are, we are always hungry for more. With that in mind, I think it might be helpful for anyone on the fence about joining Golgotha to hear about one of our more defining differences when compared to the other large groups; our alignment choice.

So what does it mean when we say Golgotha is evil? Perhaps more importantly, what doesn't it mean? For one, Golgotha will be willing to do whatever it takes short of griefer tactics to get what it wants or needs. If we are bordering on a small settlement that we believe we could use, and we don't have ongoing diplomatic ties with its owner, we will not hesitate to attempt a takeover. The morality of taking their property will not come into the decision; we need the land, they have the land, we are stronger, that land should be ours. If we find ourselves lacking in food, and we happen to border a series of plains PoI that we feel we can raid, then we will do so.

But we are not a caricature. We aren't the kind of people to stand on a pedestal and monologue as the heroic do-gooders go about foiling our plans. We aren't the kind of people to backstab our allies on a whim, or double cross a trusted trader for a bit of coin and a laugh. We are evil, but we aren't stupid. If you make a deal with Golgotha we will follow it to the letter of the agreement; we might try and push things into our favour, but we will always do what we say we will.

We also aren't the kind of people that will be going on the aggressive for no reason whatsoever. Our actions will be guided by calm, careful decision making, at least on the macro level. We might not particularly agree with the policies of some other settlements, but that doesn't give us enough reason to go after them; by doing so we would be introducing weakness on our own part, reducing our ability to properly react elsewhere. Don't mistake this for a lack of willingness to fight, more that we want to apply our power where it can best benefit us.

We have a good foundation to build on with our current membership, but we need more if we are going to follow through with our plans. If you are interested in being a part of a military force unbound by moral weakness, willing to do whatever it takes to get what it needs, then join Golgotha today. If you want to be someone on the back line, tirelessly working to arm the best of the best, then join Golgotha today. If you just want a safe place to gather resources, knowing that your protectors are working to expand your harvestable area, then join Golgotha today. We know that every army marches on its stomach, and we have a deep respect for those willing to fill them.

Join Golgotha today, be a part of something great.

Vote Golgotha today, help us build something strong.

If it isn't going to be an option, I would seriously ask GW to reconsider. I know you want EE to be controlled, but I really feel like you could build a lot of hype within the all ready kind of bought in community. I know for a fact that there are quite a few Pax members who would love to play, but can't spend $100. They would be much more willing to play if we could subsidise that with one of our backup $35 accounts.

Eagle Claw, CAW!

Are you the leader of an Evil company that doesn't think they have enough members to run your own settlement? Do you want to keep your own autonomy, while still having a say in the running of something larger? Then Golgotha is for you! We will be looking to offer PoI contracts, very real opportunities for advancement, and a tight nit community to support everything you do.

Bring your company into Golgotha, help us build an evil future. Message me if you are interested, I would be happy to discuss things more, either in text, or on the Pax Teamspeak.

I'm rather surprised no one has mentioned rust monster catapults yet...

We might be evil, but we aren't that evil.

One last thing, Pax, not PAX. PAX is a Penny Arcade thing, Pax is for us =)

Golgotha isn't a splinter organisation. We are all members of the Pax community, but we existed before joining Pax, and we could easily exist should we leave Pax (we aren't planning on it). We have actually gotten relatively few members into Golgotha via our merger.

We share forums, mostly because ours went down and we didn't feel the need to renew them when we could jump ship, but that is about it. The leadership of the actual guild is separate, our meta goals are separate, our recruitment and internal charter is separate. Though Aeturnum leadership is free to advise us on our decisions, it is down to Golgothan leadership to actually vote and decide. The only other thing we share is the Pax Inner Council, which is a hands off group that doesn't have an active role in the day to day (or even month to month) running of individual divisions.

We understand the concerns some people have, but we have been very thorough in our attempts to assuage them. We are very carefully self policing our own members to make sure any 1st kickstarter Aeturnum votes aren't being thrown our way. We have conscientiously decided, as a nation, not to run Pax Fidelis as a land rush settlement because we aren't as clear on the separation as we are with Aeturnum/Golgotha. I believe we have been quite transparent in our reasoning for why Golgotha should be allowed to run for their own settlement.

One of the things that they have said they are going to do is run a Monster Control scheme, which allows special players to control big monsters in these kinds of events. At least I seem to remember reading about that (Nihimon, we need you!). I think it was one of the benefits for being an Alpha backer, no?

Congratulations on being the first in the new landrush to hit 50 people. It might not mean much, but hopefully the rest of us will be hot on your heels.

You know whats fun? Having friends who have your back when you get jumped by vicious do-gooders looking to 'improve the world'. Join Golgotha, don't get jumped by fanatics!

announcement hype

I wonder what it could be!

I assumed that it was at 30 to show who would be getting a settlement. Obviously the inclusion of the Big Three pushes that off though.

As does Morbis. It feels weird Ozem's Vigil isn't on the Top 5 even though they deserve to be there.

You will be able to, just not yet. From the sounds of it, you will be able to before the first draft. You aren't losing out on anything.

Pax Golgotha is set to be the biggest of the Evil settlements at the moment. You can read more about us in our own threads,

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qy4v?The-Empire-of-Xeilias

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q434?Golgotha-Settlement-Charter

and though you might not see any of us as signatories in these accords, that's primarily because we believe our own charter does a better job for policing our own, not because we disagree with the "Don't be a dick" message.

If you want, I am happy to talk to you more about Golgotha, though this isn't really the place for that.

Golgotha may be leading the way with the newest Landrush, but we need more to cement our choice of settlement! Join now, and help us in building something lasting. Plus, we totally have cookies.

Apply at www.paxgaming.com! We welcome all types, from PvP fanatics to people who just want to hit rocks with pickaxes. We need everything if we are going to build a grand citadel.

Are you a member of a chartered company that doesn't think that they can get their own settlement? We have an extremely detailed charter that will give you powers within Golgotha, a seat on an advisory council, and deep support in whatever method of play you want to engage in.

The admin of the guild has to approve you. T7V currently has 5 applicants.

I agree, having Aeturnum, T7V and TEO on the leader board isn't optimal. Being able to say that you are on the top 5 is good for recruitment, I could easily see people complaining that they are pushed down by guilds that don't really 'matter' for this promotion.

Was it not going by who got to the number first? That's what I thought I saw.

I think you will find that I *am* the iron first. =D

Well, we certainly don't have any, so we need to get any we can.

All aboard the PvP train! I might not be with you guys, but if I wasn't in Golgotha I would be. Really hope you guys do well.

well we were on top for a bit til Golgotha started raising their undead horde ;)

Braaaaaains.

T7V is approaching what I might call massive, I guess.

We look forward to dealing with you! I've enjoyed all of our conversations so far, I have high hopes for your settlement.

I'm a big scary wolf too!

OOh, lets start a new conversation.

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The National Business Research Institute? What do they have to do with this?

You may think Andius has turned to the dark side, he is not even close to what we are capable of, at least not yet.

Dun dun daaaaah

Maybe he doesn't think that T7V is beneficial for gameplay?

Agreed. Players should always be rewarded for grouping. It should always be more optimal to be playing with friends than solo. You are putting in the extra work of getting these people together, you should be rewarded for it.

Mounts have broader applications outside of just Paladins. Development time put towards the mount subsystem is development time that will be used by the vast majority of players. Development time put towards a pet system is more limited in scope.

If Andius wants his vengeance, it won't be difficult for him to find permitted avenues to persue it. If he wars you, it doesn't matter if he wants to crush you out of existence, or just push you off your land. As long as he isn't being a jerk about it then it should be perfectly fine. Crushing you isn't being a jerk.