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This might not be the best place to post, but I thought, why not: Anyone have a feel for the total hippogriffs the Sable company has? That's actually a pretty good question Anyone have any thoughts on anything I missed? I agree with your assumption, but you should also add a "dozen" at the Keep in Castle Korvosa according to "Guide to Korvosa" Pathfinder Chronicles p13. Sable Company marines also live in and guard the keep, and they keep a hippogriff aerie in one of the towers therein."
I just want to let everyone know that my name in-game is Nihimon Vhane'Sylvan. Surprising choice, Being in EE and all, you should have gone for the shorter name instead of adding a second part. Difficult to impersonate a character with a single name, far easier to go when you can re-use the firstname and just slightly misspell the lastname that no one will correctly remember.Signed Nihimon Vhone'Sylven
Although not it's sole focus, The Vespiary is a company promoting sexual RP (Callistria priestess are known for their BDSM practices) and for this reason will require that players interested in it be adults to avoid any shenanigans with the game conditions of use (unknown at the time of this writing).See here. Thanks for the notification, we'll adapt our Company charter accordingly. On a side note, if only those damn forum settings allowed to edit the first post that would be sooo much practical...
It is indeed. At least we have an idea on which ground we'll be walking and this will enable us to clarify The Vespiary's charter on this matter. I don't see the rules even a bit at-odds. The first one is about "the general public" perception while the other one is about "the sole discretion of GW". It is an intelligent way of managing this since it would allow GW to exert it's own appraisal of what is "sexually explicit", especially in a lore and RP way. And I would rather have to follow the rule of GW who knows what's good for their game rather than "the general public" when we know that those voicing their concerns and asking censorship in the "general public" are in fact "a very small minority of the general public, most of them not even playing the game".
Ugh.. with all this tree hugging going on it will be only a matter of time before we get a Half-Tree.You joke. Well if we're going this route, then allow me to introduce you to the Redneck Tree
Please do not misunderstand my message here, I am not seeking to steal your company away or anything like that, I am simply making you aware of other options should your situation change. No offense taken at all, it is clear that without the strong elven roots of Calistria's cult, Aragon would have been a natural home for The Vespiary. But should Calistria be really attracting a lot of players, I already have though about some ways to work with two companies, and the second one would of course look for the sponsorship of Aragon.
Excellent, there's a Company I would actively avoid. Cybersex, really?It was bound to happen. As long as it is between consenting adults and is done in 'private' channels, I have no problem with it. I do hope they come up with a system to make sure there are no under aged participants though. I think there is confusion I would like to clarify here: The purpose is to role-play sex among fantasy characters because this is how they are defined and expeted to act, a Priestess of Calistria is not a Paladin of Iomedae... There is no more sex involved among players roleplaying the seductive tactics of Calistria followers than there would be beer involved among the players of two Dwarves having an octoberfest moment in a tavern. This is not cybersex, this is role-playing sex that's hugely different.Saying that role-playing sex is Cyber-sex would be like saying Bludd and his cronies are Cyber-bullying you because they're serving a SAD to your merchant...
You forgot the most important question Brother: Can we HUG the trees ?
Someone from a neighboring friendly settlement mentioned that their druids may not like The Echo Woodsmen. I asked him why, and it turned out that he hadn't read past "lumberjacks." Well, I guess some had a bit too much of fermented root last evening and were awaken by your jolly songs :D We'll focus them on a tower far from yours to be sure they aren't disturbed ;)Looking forward to see you neighbors ! I'm sure your woodsmen will have plenty skills to learn from us elves on how to take care of nature.
The problem will be obviously solved once the EE starts, IMO the only thing we could do before the start of the EE is to contact individually those guilds. And I'm sure, *all* the little guilds with a contact in their landrush profile had many personalized explanation provided by you or CBDunk or other recruiters (maybe even a phone call with Cheatle ;) So at the end of the day the only real issue is that recruiters don't have an opportunity to explain some guys who did not provide a contact in their landrush presentation how it works. I don't think GW can do anything else, they can't force them to read the explanations on the GW website. GW could do one thing: disclose the contact email of the guy who registered his guild. And I don't think they will want to do that.
I knew we could trust Golgotha to provide us with some proper green targets ! Goblins are not really interesting, one arrow and they're down. Orcs on the other hand are good for practicing: if you miss vital parts, they continue to run. Plus Golgotha will presumably armor them so we'll have to hit eyes or the neck to claim a one shot ... That said, congrats for a new racial-themed company !
That said, I just love the idea of our Druids manipulating a Rust Monster escalation cycle to clean-up development encroachments instead of burning them down :) Edit: Nevermind, just saw Ryan's other post about that ...
We Elves have little understanding for the relentless struggle of humans to harness the wilderness instead of flowing with it. But of all the human ways, we appreciate the philosophy of moderation and simplicity of Old Deadeye's followers and hope their way of life will attract as much as possible of their brethren. Druids of the Viridian Circle will probably visit you, like us elves many have respect for Old Deadeye's teachings. Should wilderness defiling occur not too far away from Blackfeather Keep, my hope is that they may find help among your ranks. The Viridian Circle share your principle of diplomacy before offensive actions, and your example of Erastil's good stewardship could help them get their point made before more radical acts. ----------- OOC
Initial gods can be found here. I don't know about domains. Thanks ! Blackwood Glade will then build a Shrine to Gozreh, if we can get it's Air, Animal, Plant and Water domains that's the most close we can get our clerics to an actual Druid.For the rangers, we take a bit of fighter proficiency for bow, light armor and two handed weapons, then take the stealth skills from the rogue tree. Not optimal but I hope we'll be able to align some ranger like characters that are playable.
I can't thank you enough for that, it's an invaluable tool.
That's a good idea. My intention like Aou said was also to do RP a Druid with a Priest and the Ranger with a Rogue build. But the more skills we can have available from these classes the better.
On a side note, do we have any ideas of the Gods and Domains GW intend to implement from day one ? Cause with the appropriate domains maybe we can build some pseudo rangers/druids
Are you a Free Agent or solo player looking for a laid-back, fun settlement? Do you still want to have a meaningful impact on the game? Canis Castrum is looking for solo players and Free Agents to participate in Pathfinder Online’s first direct democracy. Neat, with this latin name for the settlement you can elect a Doge ;) Jokes aside, interesting concept based on the alignment system, initially I though you were somewhat like Freevale but you actually have a differentiating point. Good luck to you that's a nice social experiment. Also, I read your Settlement presentation and would like to tell you that we of Blackwood call dibs on the "Good Elven Rangers", but you can have the Dwarven Rangers no problems ;D
In context, POI works just fine. And allowing the My vote for Hold or Holding or Fief.
I rather miss the old name, but since you were giving up the idea of it being an elven settlement, I understand the change. Rest assured, Blackwood Glade is still an elven settlement first and foremost. We liked our name a lot but actually had to change it in compliance with GW's naming rules (IP issues).
Armenfrast is asking a very good question that all of the settlements should ask themselves. And some cooperation would be welcome among us to have as much consistency as possible.
You spot a conversation in Thornkeep's Inn...
Knowledge(Local) DC 12: "Blackwood is somewhat in the middle of Southwood, that's far South from Thornkeep on the other side of the Marshes and West of the Monastery. To go there from Thornkeep, safest route is to take Dagger Road to the South till you see the trail turning right to Brighthaven, then follow through the Keeper's Pass. Although it's known for its rare plants and fancy birds, place is named Blackwood cause it's also cursed and dangerous. Some hunters or gatherers have the balls to go there but some never come back, I heard of intelligent animals avoiding traps and attacking armed men. Only keepers of the Green Faith are crazy enough to stay in the place, recently joined by some elves. Their lot is not more talkative or amiable than feral animals anyway. Wretched place and people I'm telling you !" Knowledge(Geography) DC 20: The South-Western tip of Echo Woods - named Southwood by the locals - were known to host modicum of highly valuable blackwood trees. It is very likely that the place would be located here and of course named after those trees. To reach Southwood from Fort Inevitable, one would take the Juliver Road in direction of Sezgin, then after a few miles leave it to the East and reach the southernmost limit of the Forest when it is receding to the plains. Knowledge(Local) DC 25 (Elves +10 or Druids +15): Druids call this place the Blackwood Glade for some of the most ancients blackwood trees of the forest, old enough to have survived the Starfall. It was one of the minor shrines of the faith, used for ceremonies every ten years or so. A few centuries ago a lumber mill started operation nearby, decided to take advantage of the blackwood trees. When the Druids discovered the extent of the depredations committed in a few years, their anger was such that the lumbermill plagued by deaths and accidents stopped operations in less than a year. The druids have since maintained a presence in the area and scared anyone approaching their sanctuary. Recently, some elves came to the place asking to settle and agreed with the druids that as long as they would be there the place would be safe against anyone who would threaten the venerable trees. Knowledge(History) DC 27 (Elves +10, Language(Elvish) +2): Before the Starfall, the River Kingdoms were just a primeval forest known as Telvurin by the elves and only used as a hunting ground by the elven court. The elves had in this area a hunting lodge named Bâr-Morivatar, which in Taldane could be translated as "the blackwood house".
Really? You don't see the difference between gaming recruits and marketing a trade item? Huh.I like how questions specific to The Viridian Circle are answered by recruitment posts by other companies. Classy.Advertising settlements development plans is not much different than advertising alcoholic beverages Lone Wolf was explicitly not interested in joining a company but looking for settlements that would support the training he is looking for. Not really recruiting here... And that said, if anyone is considering a Druid, why not start right now with a priest and join TVC ? Doing so would allow one claiming seniority and all that before the flood of druids arrive when GW finally release the class/role. TVC: Doing Druids before it was cool :D
Nolondil, I appreciate your answers but there is a few errors. TVC is not looking specifically for a settlement to be our sanctuary, this is just the only confirmed mechanically viable option we (Ravening, Gedichtewicht, Grickin, and I) could come up with currentlyYes, I recon that I said that based on our understanding of how the game works, I am looking forward for any mechanisms (like Factions) that would allow an organization to strive without an actual settlement. Nolondil, again, do not lie without need, my friend. I understand you were upholding my wish here, and for that I am thankful. Rest assured there was no lie in my mouth, although I knew your personal intention at the time I wrote this, I didn't for the remainder of your brethren and therefore of TVC as a whole. Also as a matter of diplomacy, I always consider something non-existent until a formal approval has not yet been reached between negotiating parties. I can't speak for Brother Zael, but the NG group of Elkhaven will count rangers and druids among it's citizens as soon as it may That is very good news, should this group unite in some consistency or even better create a company of it's own I hope we will see them join our Defenders of Nature loose cooperation or back whatever goals we could setup. I like how questions specific to The Viridian Circle are answered by recruitment posts by other companies. Classy. Advertising settlements development plans is not much different than advertising alcoholic beverages, but rest assured whenever we have a meeting among nature friends we'll have some Warstein
Do you have a source for that ? The only thing I am aware by GW's word is that if you're managing a PoI and your company is sponsored *then* it must be your primary company. There are also weird cases where an individual character is a member of a company AND a member of a settlement... and then the company becomes sponsored by a different settlement. Which settlement does the individual character then belong to? Are they kicked out of their existing settlement? Kicked out of the company? Given some amount of time to choose which to remain in? Nothing happen, being member of a settlement and of a company are unrelated. My understanding is that you gain the settlement benefit if your company is sponsored by said settlement, but you do not become a member of the settlement which is a separate and specific action.
Is there a Settlement that TVC is currently supporting in the Land Rush that you expect will have high-end Druid or Ranger-specific training available? And if so, do you believe that that training will be commoditized and offered for sale to those who are not affiliated with that Settlement (in line with Lee's discussion this topic in the recent Gobbocast)? I don't yet know where TVC intend to settle, but you should be aware that the best rangers in all of Golarion are trained in Kyonin. Taur-im-Duinath will of course focus on this fine elven tradition and bring it to the Echo Woods. And since fortunately for you we're not bound by our kingdom rules in the South, half-humans will be able to benefit from our training, especially if they are focused on the defense of nature (i.e. barring game constraints we will certainly offer a very low cost for Nature-faction aligned and racially aligned characters not part of the settlement or it's sponsored companies).
Could you go into a little more details on what you mean when you say "Druidic group"? I would surmise the same kind of Druidic group the Oakstewards of Sevenarches are, only on a smaller scale at the beginning. I just hope TVC will attract enough interested players to grow and be able to claim his own
[...]others might be secret members who strive to "Cleanse" the tainted bloodlines in more violent waysseems like a great idea for a Neutral Good guild. I think Xorgrond was ironical here :) You should also note that the aims/goals of Urlord's project is not anymore about ethnical "cleansing" and obviously evil stuff. He probably needs to rework his communication and create a new thread. Nevertheless your comments are welcome. There are lots of really interesting RP and knowledge stuff in Urlord's project, that deserves to be publicized.
Like when St. Petersburg was renamed to... Petrograd... and then... oh. right nevermind. They also changed to Leningrad before going back to St Petersburg :D At a slower pace, there's also the case for Byzantium->Constantinople->Istanbul Settlement name change should not be easy the more developed a settlement is (of course the barbarian method would decrease the cost). My rationale for this is that settlements should become geographical references, not the kind of stuff you want to change often. Unless of course we want to ensure that cartography is a hot business around there.
Also adding this idea that I like. I think what could be a cool thing is if a company that owns an outpost elects to set that outpost's harvesting to exploitative levels, the owning company should be flagged as heinous, but just towards faction(s) that are dedicated to nature and its preservation. I guess at some point in the future we could do a recap and create a new thread. Meanwhile let's continue pilling ideas and comment on the topic.
Hmmm? I missed the Kickstarter so I am only eligible for accounts without Destiny's Twin and in the second wave of early enrollment. They also sell $100 access to EE on the Goblinworks website, without Destiny's Twin or other Kickstarter rewards. Ah OK that makes far more sense. Now I understand. Thanks for your explanations and good luck Nevy.
The Adventurer level was the $35 primary-donation option, rather than an add-on. Oh thanks, then does it mean that all backers above the Adventurer level got this feature ? But then why Nevy's request ? Obviously anyone in the EE had to support the project *above* the adventurer level ?
I would like to call the slightly wedgeshaped funnel North of Thornkeep that is formed by the two Mountainranges (and their elevationbarriers), the North Corridor. Or North Passage. Given the size of the map planned just for the end of the EE, isn't calling anything North a bit preposterous ? But at least it will be Northern than the North Coalition :D
I think what could be a cool thing is if a company that owns an outpost elects to set that outpost's harvesting to exploitive levels, the owning company should be flagged as heinous, but just towards faction(s) that are dedicated to nature and its preservation. That's a very good idea Bludd, would you mind posting it to the Crowdforging Thread also ?
The way I understand it, every Member of a Settlement must start out within one Alignment Step of the Settlement itself. Correct, but you are not required to actually belong to the settlement to benefit from all it's features (training, protection, etc) as long as you're a member of a Sponsored Company (Stephen Cheney even said a company 'friendly' to the settlement) I'm not sure you're right about being able to stretch two steps via a Company. If the Company is Sponsored, I believe that means every Member of the Company must also be a Member of the Sponsoring Settlement, so they would have the same restrictions as other Members of the Settlement. I never saw this constraint explicitly stated, I understand that Company and Settlement choice are independent. The opposite would practically defeat the option to belong to 3 Companies: you would then be limited to chose 2nd and 3rd companies that are either sponsored by same settlement or not sponsored at all - not much sense and players won't understand this complexity. I believe True Neutral is still a no-go for a CG settlement. One step from CG is CG, CN, or NG. But (again according to my understanding) belonging to a sponsored company aligned NG or CN would do.
Okay, after great consternation, I have decided to join TiD if you truly want me. Before you decide, let me describe my character... This alignment is a painful mechanism, since given our goal as a settlement we would normally accept any Elves whatever their alignment. However we have to recognize that there are good reasons why GW choose to implement alignment this way (if there were not some IG constraints, alignment would become meaningless). Practically speaking, you could be two step away from the settlement alignment depending on the alignment of your company (if it is sponsored), also maybe we can adapt your backstory with an Elven god or the Green faith ? In any case, I'm sure we will be able to figure out something and I invite you to register on TiD's forums to discuss it so we can find an interesting and meaningful backstory compatible with the game constraints.
Taur-im-Duinath is Pro RP, but open to non-RPers with very light rules of behavior. Here's an extract from our charter. RolePlay: TiD is RP-oriented but welcome players just content "playing an Elf" and wanting to focus on other parts of the game (e.g. PvP or PvE). For those with little interest in RP, we just require that their character name be appropriate (PFO will have a good character name generator) and that they follow very simple guidelines within the settlement to not ruin other players immersion (basically, if you are not interested in RP and are moving around in the settlement just act as a taciturn, non-talkative Elf :)). Depending on the game mechanisms, we intend to clearly identify communication channels that are RP or not. Typically the communication channels required for Settlement and Companies operations be non-RP.
Have you guys contacted Urlord yet about inviting the League of Elven Purity to join you in the settlement? Yes I did. Thanks for your vigilance as usual Uthreth.
Do you expect the more radical elements to blame the children themselves, or the human parent who obviously caused the problem, or the elven parent who is week and a traitor to the species? I think that's the kind of interesting discussion that should have to be done IG with much drama, sorrow and maybe blood (though remember dueling is for barbarians, Elves like to take their time for feuds among themselves :) There is already a group that has talked about RP'ing Elven Supremacy - Taur-im-Duinath - but I'm not sure they'd be compatible because they explicitly welcome Half-Elves. TiD is also welcoming *any* Elves, including the most despicable ones :) I'm looking forward to players who will show all the interesting RP and play-style that can come out of the Elven culture spectrum. So basically Urlord, your project is a challenging one and will probably not attract a lot of players, but TiD is the place where you are the most likely to be able to do it. The Landrush page for TiD is here with a link to our forum.
To put back this thread on rails, it came to my mind that GW may have already found an elegant solution to implement the Defense of Nature axis in the game without complicated stuff like we envisioned so far. The answer is: Factional Conflict ! GW just have to create a Druidic Faction and pit against them a Technology/Industry faction, and here we have meaningfull PvPing easily implementable. I envision the Druidic faction giving perks to their members allowing them to avoid the requirements of depending on a settlement (to be honest I do not really like the idea of Druids living in highly developed settlements due to game mechanisms) or allowing them allying/interacting with normally hostiles "Nature-Themed" NPCs on the map, thus really being able to wreck havoc against development and enriching the whole content. The Industry/Technology faction on it's side would give its members production bonus or tier-specific stuffs for their supporter's settlement and thus means to counter the treehuggers. No, I don't mean druids as a whole, I mean the druids who think the class means they must behave like eco-terrorists all the time. They're the ones who piss off anyone unfortunate enough to be associated with them by refusing to enter towns, siccing bears on every peasant who dares to chop a tree, etc. Those are bad players, and the DM unable to reign said bad players is also a bad DM. It's unfortunate you had such a bad experience, but like your RL references there is no reason to conflate it with broader game concepts. What is stupid around a TT game among a few friends who are supposed to play together makes a lot more sense in a sandbox MMO where players are each others' content. I would rather have nature zealots in PFO and incentives for players to act so than people who play a druid WoW-style and don't give a rat to Golarion's Lore. In Golarion, The Druid Serves the Wilderness, and those who bless the peasants crops are the exception rather than the norm. You can play a hippie Druid, and many characters will be so, but most druid should have a rather "savage" attitude towards any encroachment to nature. This savage reaction could or could not lead to active destruction, but Fire is one of the four aspects of the Green Faith. I see you are a Goblin Squad Member, are you aware you have been granted a free Guide to the River Kingdoms? Inside, you will find an insightful description of The Sevenarches and an example of how much Druids care for the peasants. This is how I expect most Druids to behave in this game and hope you do too.
The point is to make it as easy as possible for small groups to find a place they can call home, so if the community intends to be a particular alignment, that at least says something about how they plan to operate. Most of these guys still have no idea about the concept of Company / Settlement, and probably are completely unaware of the strong impact Company alignment has on their member's core alignment choice. When looking at most of these "guild" descriptions (when they have more than a one-liner), obviously their aim is to regroup a few people who know each other not really to build very strong communities. IMO your concern is really pertaining to the Settlements (or "Guild" still potentially eligible to a settlement in the coming weeks). Because only Settlement will matter at the end of the day since belonging / being sponsored by them will be the only way to access to upper tier skills. BTW Congrats for this list it is very convenient. How old is the info on the ability to have membership with 3 CCs?Last week. IIRC it was "One settlement and three Companies", plus the companies a player associate with receiving diminishing Influence (like 100%, 50%, 0%). Couldn't find the info on the blog, I guess it was a comment by Ran himself. Does anyone have a link ?
While not great for gathering a bunch of players, I liked the idea of this group having an Elf or Half-Elf only policy. From what I understand you could actually outlaw other races from being in your settlement which sounds amusing. What is important is that we keep the feeling of an Elven settlement. As long as we have a strong majority of Elves going around it should be fine, but if we start seeing too much humans, yes such rule (if it exist) could help limiting visiting rights to Elves. So, if you're not belonging to the settlement or a sponsored company and want to visit, be sure to bring an Elf with you :) Maybe down the road you can revisit the idea or create a more extremist settlement offshoot. I hope that not too far down the road, we would have enough interested players to sponsor an Elven Supremacist company. This kind of characters will very likely be a minority but they add a lot of flavor to the settlement and the game, plus they are a very good trigger for politics and RP within the settlement given that the majority of Elves will very likely be the benevolent kind more-oriented towards NG than CN (the supremacists should also have mithril balls and be good PvPers because they will find no lack of enemies outside ;)
So I am not yet sure what I will be playing but I was thinking of one of my characters would be an Elven wizard or ranger. So I might want to join the Guild if that was cool. I would be interested to see how you guys RP in game as I think that would be interesting. Also as a side note I do not really play MMO very much. You are very welcome Brad. I have been doing a lot of RP in the past in PnP and expect to do the same online with PFO. Since I wasn't familiar with Golarion Lore till I joined TiD, I'm presently reading "Queen of Thorns" to improve my RP, so any interested partners to put that to use are welcome, moreso if you are familiar with Golarion's Elven Lore ! I'll be RPing mostly with Nolondil as a Mage/Cleric, but will also use an alt rogue/ranger for PvPing. You can join us on our forum and if you have not yet done so help us secure our settlement in the landrush by joining Taur-im-Duinath on GW's website (you need to log in using your GoblinWorks account and then select the Apply! button on the right of our Settlement name). Looking forward to read you.
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YES Companies can exist independently of Settlements and reciprocally. However a Settlement cannot expect to grow without sponsoring companies exploiting PoI linked to it and providing raw materials.
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