Natrim wrote:The chosen weapon is the dagger pistol itself in this example. It is a double weapon, ergo both ends count as the same weapon for proficiency and feats, essentially for everything besides enchanting, both ends are the same weapon, are they not? So could not a Kensai bladebound with a dagger pistol use Perfect Strike with the firearm aspect of the weapon?No because Precise Strike concerns Use, not item properties. A Longsword, for instance, is a one-handed slashing weapon. Consequently, it can be used as a one-handed slashing weapon (by a creature for which it is properly sized). You can apply two hands to it, but it's still a one-handed weapon as far as use as well as rules elements concerning it as an object. So for a properly sized Longsword, item properties happen to mesh up 100% with use properties. But if a Medium creature got a hold of a Large Longsword, things get a bit complicated. For rules elements concerning it as an object, it's still a one-handed slashing weapon. However, for rules concerning its use/wielding, it is used as a two-handed slashing weapon. Properties as an object and properties of use are different and, though they may agree 90% of the time, they still must be considered separately for just such situations as this. The Dagger Pistol is a one-handed firearm when considered as an item. But as far as use/wielding goes, it can be used as either a one-handed firearm or a light melee weapon. Here, you can see that use doesn't match up completely with item properties. Precise Strike requires the use of a light or one-handed piercing weapon. The Dagger Pistol, as an item, is a one-handed firearm but can be used as either a one-handed firearm or a light piercing melee weapon. You can only use Precise Strike when using it as a dagger and that doesn't translate over to using it as a firearm. Likewise, if you have a weapon that deals Bludgeoning or Piercing damage, and put Keen on it, you'd only benefit from the...
For this discussion, I am slightly confused in why you used the examples you did. Precise Strike, the feat and the ability with that name (Teamwork feat and the Duelist PrC ability) do not mention use or properties or wielding or anything of the sort.
If you mean 'Perfect Strike', the Kensai class ability of which I asked? It only specifies the Kensai's chosen weapon must be used. Which, in turn, is "A kensai is proficient in simple weapons and in a single martial or exotic melee weapon of his choice.". No limitations on use or size or properties besides 1) melee, and 2) martial or exotic. There's nothing about a light or one handed weapon mentioned.
Now, mechanically, this wouldn't be all that much here. A Coat Pistol, medium sized, is a single d4 of damage. Spending a point from an arcane pool to make it do...4! DAMAGE!! Is a underwhelming and poor utilization of those limited arcane pool points. Granted, if rolling a crit, turning a x3 into an x4 for 2 points IS rather nifty and probably worthwhile use of points, but that is something we generally don't try to build our expectations around, expecting a crit on a 20 only crit range. Also, this is at best a backup option for the character, given that range increment of... 10ft. Still, overall, a rather underwhelming build, and my curiosity is more for an idea then an attempt to...build the next super-martial-champion or whatever.
Also, didn't a dev clarify on the 'weapons that do more then one type of damage' debate that effects like Keen DO stack, in the example of the morningstar? That for determining the effects of DR, one went with the result that favored the weapon's wielder? If your inclusion of the word "or" was to delineate the difference between the damage type of the blade of the dagger/cane-sword and that of the bullet, well that would fall under the previously acknowledged caveat that both ends of a double weapon count separately for enchanting purposes. So...yeah. I'll re-admit to being confused at the examples again.
(Also apologies for any rudeness, I'm in the middle of moving and going back to college. Just a wee bit busy and stressed as you can imagine :).