How about the healiest healer that ever healed? Kitsune Double Life Spirit Guide Oracle Spoiler:
At 1st level, worship Pharasma, take the life mystery and channel revelation. Take the wrecking mysticism curse, and the fey foundling feat for extra healing.
At 2nd level, get bonus magical tail feats instead of bonus mystery spells. At 3rd level, grab the life spirit and life link hex, replacing the lost revelation from the archetype, picking up selective channel. At 4th level, gain back all the bonus mystery spells you traded for magical tail feats. The life mystery and life spirit lists are identical. At 5th level, pick up the fateful channel feat, letting all your allies roll twice each time you channel energy. Then at 7th level, gain a second channel pool from life spirit, along with quick channel to let you burn those rounds fast and hard. This support build's focus is being a hit point dynamo, constantly tossing out channel energy bursts which also give allies rerolls on their attacks, saves or skills. It utilises a few great synergies in the archetype to gain more than it loses, adding bonus racial feats without losing anything compared to the base class. The build is strongest from 5th level onward, with 7th level doubling the effective channels per day for the build. It plays well as a summoner outside of the role of healer, since the channel bursts can also benefit summoned monster allies and grant them rerolls without any extra resources spent.
I do an 'every character kit' system that I use for Pathfinder Society games, where I have a standard list of items I feel are appropriate for every single 1st level character I create. Whilst it might not be exactly what you're thinking, perhaps you might find it useful for your purposes. I also highly recommend a 750gp wand of cure light wounds when you can afford it. Give it to your healer to cover yourself for heals. Adventuring Equipment
Sack of Powder - 1 cp (1/2 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Chalk - 1 cp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Torch - 1 cp (1 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Earplugs - 3 cp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
4 Candles - 4 cp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Inkpen - 1 sp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
3 Oil Flasks - 3 sp (3 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Waterproof Bag - 5 sp (1/2 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Wooden Holy Symbol - 1 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Grappling Hook - 1 gp (4 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Potion Sponge - 2 gp (0 lbs) [Advanced Race Guide]
Spring-Loaded Wrist Sheath - 5 gp (1 lb) [Adventurer's Armory]
Ink, 1 oz. vial - 8 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Journal - 10 gp (1 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
50 ft. Silk Rope - 10 gp (5 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Smoked Goggles - 10 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Pathfinder's Kit - 12 gp (22 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Total: 60 gp (38 lbs) - Leave your rations and bedroll at camp or on a mount to take 12 lbs off this total Weapons
Alchemical Silver Cestus - 25 gp (1 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Cold Iron Kunai - 4 gp (2 lbs) [Ranged Tactics Toolbox]
Total: 29 gp (3 lbs) Pets
Guard Dog - 25 gp [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Total: 25 gp Alchemical Items
Tindertwig - 1 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
2 Sunrods - 4 gp (2 lb) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Vermin Repellent - 5 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Smokestick - 20 gp (1/2 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Smelling Salts - 25 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Holy Water - 25 gp (1 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Smog Specialty Smoke Pellet - 40 gp (0 lbs) [Dungeoneer's Handbook]
Tanglefoot Bag - 50 gp (4 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Air Crystals - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Pathfinder Society Field Guide]
Total: 220 gp (7.5 lbs) Potions
Potion of Touch of the Sea - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Advanced Player's Guide]
Potion of Feather Step - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Advanced Player's Guide]
Potion of Remove Sickness - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Magic]
Potion of Protection from Evil - 50 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Total: 200 gp (0 lbs)
Rumors have it the head is actually a long lost artifact, the Head of Vecna! Oh wait, wrong universe.
The Dandy Lion wrote:
I did one for Pathfinder Society, and it rocked out quite hard in damn near every scenario I played. The basics of the build are below the spoiler, due to length. Invulnerable Rager: Race: Half-Orc
Alternate Racial Traits: Mystic, Dusksight Class: Barbarian Archetype: Invulnerable Rager Stats (20 Point Buy) Str: 15 +2 Racial Dex: 14 Con: 14 Int: 13 Wis: 12 Cha: 8 Favored Class: Barbarian Favored Class Bonus: +1/3 to the bonus from the superstition rage power each level Traits: Hermean Paragon, Fate's Favored Feats: Endurance (Shaman's Apprentice), Diehard (1st) So a few notes regarding alternate racial features and traits. Mystic gets you a free feat towards the prerequisites for Stalwart and a +1 luck bonus to all saves. This is by far the best package for you. Due to the +1 luck bonus, you want the Fate's Favored trait to double this as well. The final trait is simply a way to get +2 initiative without spending your combat trait, which you'll want later. You'll never regret having a higher bonus to initiative. The final alternate racial trait is Dusksight, which trades your racial weapon proficiencies away for low-light vision, a good trade considering you're already proficient with martial weapons and the exotics aren't really worth worrying over. With low-light vision, you can see 80 ft. distance by torchlight in darkness, better than your own 60 ft. Darkvision. 2nd
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Here's an example of what the build looks like at 12th level. The cornerstone of this build is rage cycling through use of Allnight. In combination with Superstition, Witch Hunter and Spell Sunder, it lets our combatant Sunder through most defensive spells and maintain extremely high saving throws, with a free action reroll on failed saving throws using Eater of Magic. Pre-fight buffs are consuming Allnight and a potion of Fly, then using Haste from boots and entering a rage as a free action. Beyond that, strategy revolves around closing to melee with the enemy as quickly as possible in order to bring the pain before they have time to cast too many spells, cycling a rage as a free action whenever possible. Offensively the focus is on melee damage to put the enemy down, and the greatsword attack sequence isn't counting Reckless Abandon or Haste to improve the attack bonus. Against extremely high AC enemies, the strategy would be to target any spells boosting defences by using the opening bonus Haste attack to perform a Strength Surge Spell Sunder (usually +37 with Haste and Reckless Abandon vs. DC 25 + CL to dispel, ignoring any miss chance caused by a spell or spell-like ability) against an ongoing effect on the target, dispelling things like Mirror Image, Barkskin or Shield of Faith. Note this provokes an attack of opportunity from the enemy, as the build does not include the Improved Sunder feat. Assuming free actions to cycle rage can occur between iterative attacks, this can possibly strip the opponent of multiple spells per round of full attacks, though many GMs limit free action rage cycling to once per round. Defenses include strong saving throws against magic including rerolls (once per rage using Eater of Magic, once per day with +4 Luck using Lucky Horseshoe) on failed saves, generous amounts of hit points, and the option to use Combat Expertise with Improved Stalwart to increase the DR from 6/- to 14/- at the expense of -4 to hit. If Strength Surge is unused during the current rage, it can be used defensively to add +12 to CMD vs. a single combat maneuver instead. All favored class bonuses have been put towards increasing the saving throw bonus of Superstition via human heritage. There's just enough ranks in Use Magic Device to activate wands on anything but a natural 1, and skills already include the skill penalty of Allnight and ACP. Scrolls are a riskier proposition, but available if required, mainly to counter invisible or stealthed opponents. Half-Orc barbarian (Invulnerable Rager) 12 (Advanced Player's Guide)
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Special Attacks greater rage (29 rounds/day), rage powers (reckless abandon +4, superstition +9, witch hunter +4, spell sunder, strength surge +12, eater of magic) --------------------
Consumables potion of enlarge person, potion of feather step, potion of protection from evil, potion of remove fear, potion of remove sickness, potion of touch of the sea, potion of countless eyes, potion of displacement, potion of fly x3, potion of haste, potion of heroism, potion of gaseous form, potion of good hope, potion of protection from energy: fire, potion of remove blindness/deafness, scroll of glitterdust x5, scroll of mirror image x5, scroll of see invisibility x5, scroll of invisibility purge x2, scroll of wind wall x2, wand of divine favor, wand of lead blades, wand of faerie fire, wand of long arm, wand of obscuring mist, wand of shield Weapons and armor +1 furious greatsword, +3 mithral breastplate Other gear belt of physical perfection +2, headband of inspired wisdom +4, boots of speed, cloak of resistance +4, cracked magenta prism ioun stone (UMD), cracked pale green prism ioun stone (attack), cracked pale green prism ioun stone (saves), cracked dusty rose prism ioun stone, goz mask[ISWG], lesser talisman of freedom[OA], lesser talisman of danger sense[OA], lesser talisman of warrior's courage[OA], lucky horseshoe[OA], pathfinder's kit, locked gauntlet, weapon cord, spring-loaded wrist sheath, allnight
Similarly to the above, I believe defensive barbarians are an underrated build. Specifically, the invulnerable rager archetype with the stalwart feat, stacking up the DR/- to negate the need for AC. Having played one to great effect, I find they're a refreshing type of character that employs a variety of tactical choices to dominate the battlefield. Pairing the reckless abandon rage power with the combat expertise feat feeding through stalwart to trade AC for DR, they can bring a hefty amount of damage dice whilst still soaking up generous levels of punishment without significantly denting their hit point pool, extending their staying power long after many other classes would be looking for a fast exit. Pairing this with spell sunder at later levels is almost cheating.
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So, to begin with, have you written up a formal code of conduct for your paladin? Two paladins might have very different approaches to the same problem, so it's useful to have a written code before you start. For example, here's two different codes based on two core deities: Quote:
Compare to the following: Quote:
A formal means of justifying your actions with the GM can go a long way towards avoiding alignment infractions in the first place, plus it makes a great roleplay tool!
In this scenario you're using the second function of the Gate spell, per the following: Gate Spell wrote: Calling Creatures: The second effect of the gate spell is to call an extraplanar creature to your aid (a calling effect). So to know if you can use it this way, let's check the rules for a calling effect. Conjuration Rules wrote: Calling: a calling spell transports a creature from another plane to the plane you are on. The spell grants the creature the one-time ability to return to its plane of origin, although the spell may limit the circumstances under which this is possible. Creatures who are called actually die when they are killed; they do not disappear and reform, as do those brought by a summoning spell (see below). The duration of a calling spell is instantaneous, which means that the called creature can’t be dispelled. So from this wording, we can see the following: 1. The Gate spell calls extraplanar creatures.
Thus, unless the Gate spell is cast on a different plane than the one where the 20th level monk currently resides, you can't use it to call them. Also note that in no way is Gate limited to calling creatures of the outsider type. You can use a Gate spell to call a 1st level human commoner from the elemental plane of fire if you wish, so long as they're considered an extraplanar creature.
ShroudedInLight wrote: From a design perspective, its really handy to have a Chart I can use for my NPCs with class levels to build them without needing to bother with a good portion of bean-counting. I often apply ABP to my NPCs in order to keep them current with the PCs without flooding the PCs with hundreds of cloaks of resistance and rings of protection. This is an awesome tip and I wanted to thank you for this idea. I'd never considered this route of applying ABP in generating NPCs, and I definitely agree that having unique, cool loot is far more interesting than, "you find each of the bandits has a cloak, ring and armor that detect as magical." Definitely stealing this one. Any suggestions for a good chart for on-the-fly NPC generation? (Sorry for the derail to the OP)
The NPC wealth should represent the gear which, under normal circumstances, the PCs might have access to using or selling. A lich's phylactery is only going to be valuable to the lich, barring its inherent value as a quest McGuffin. Likewise, I don't typically apply the cost of Permanency to spells on the NPC as a penalty to the loot. The NPC wealth by level should simply be whatever the group loots once the lich's dusty bones hit the floor, provided he didn't have time to use it during the battle.
No problem! It took me awhile to muddle through this hot mess of rules when I included it in one of my games, so I'm glad I could help. Also note that my math above was slightly off, in that it's a little over 100 days, not 1,000 days, before the business turns a profit. Still, the amount of return on investment is chump change for a PC that earns more loot in a single CR 2 encounter than the business makes in a month.
So, the assumption is that Ultimate Campaign is tracking time in units of downtime days, and resources in capital such as Goods, Influence, and Labor. Remember that you can substitute 1 point of Goods or Labor for 20 gp, 1 point of Influence for 30 gp, and 1 point of Magic for 100 gp where appropriate. To construct your Luxury Store, your player must invest 1,030 gp (or 28 Goods, 1 Influence, and 22 Labor). The added sewing room will cost an additional 300 gp (or 8 Goods and 7 Labor). Add all the time costs for the individual rooms to get your total for how long it takes to build this business before it can start to earn a profit. Next add your team of Craftspeople. These cost 200 gp to recruit for your business (or 3 Goods, 2 Influence, and 4 Labor). Now build your organization. To do this, add all the Earnings entries for your rooms and teams into one total. Luxury Store
Total: gp +26, Goods +26, Influence +22, or Labor +20 Also, a manager will cost a daily wage to watch the business. A good example here would be a Master Smith at 4 gp/day, but we'll call him a Master Tailor instead. Now let's assume the business simply uses Take 10 for its daily check to generate capital. And remember, the rules for Earning Capital requires you spend half the cost of the capital generated in raw materials to create the finished product. Thus, the organization generates 36 gold pieces per day, but costs 18 gold pieces per day in raw materials (or land taxes, wages, maintenance fees and what have you), plus an extra 4 gp per day for your manager. So after spending 1,530 gp on building a business, your player earns... 14 gp per day profit! In other words, the business will take more than 1,000 days of downtime to pay for itself, let alone earn your player a profit off their investment. So long as you don't give your character more than three years of downtime, you don't need to worry about this project throwing off their WBL.
I do a similar 'every character kit' system that I use for Pathfinder Society games, where I have a standard list of items I feel are appropriate for every single 1st level character I create. Whilst it might not be exactly what you're thinking, perhaps you might find it useful for your purposes. Adventuring Equipment
Sack of Powder - 1 cp (1/2 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Chalk - 1 cp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Torch - 1 cp (1 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Earplugs - 3 cp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
4 Candles - 4 cp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Inkpen - 1 sp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
3 Oil Flasks - 3 sp (3 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Waterproof Bag - 5 sp (1/2 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Wooden Holy Symbol - 1 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Grappling Hook - 1 gp (4 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Potion Sponge - 2 gp (0 lbs) [Advanced Race Guide]
Spring-Loaded Wrist Sheath - 5 gp (1 lb) [Adventurer's Armory]
Ink, 1 oz. vial - 8 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Journal - 10 gp (1 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
50 ft. Silk Rope - 10 gp (5 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Smoked Goggles - 10 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Pathfinder's Kit - 12 gp (22 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Total: 60 gp (38 lbs) - Leave your rations and bedroll at camp or on a mount to take 12 lbs off this total Weapons
Alchemical Silver Cestus - 25 gp (1 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Cold Iron Kunai - 4 gp (2 lbs) [Ranged Tactics Toolbox]
Total: 29 gp (3 lbs) Pets
Guard Dog - 25 gp [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Total: 25 gp Alchemical Items
Tindertwig - 1 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
2 Sunrods - 4 gp (2 lb) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Vermin Repellent - 5 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Smokestick - 20 gp (1/2 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Smelling Salts - 25 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Holy Water - 25 gp (1 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Smog Specialty Smoke Pellet - 40 gp (0 lbs) [Dungeoneer's Handbook]
Tanglefoot Bag - 50 gp (4 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Air Crystals - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Pathfinder Society Field Guide]
Total: 220 gp (7.5 lbs) Potions
Potion of Touch of the Sea - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Advanced Player's Guide]
Potion of Feather Step - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Advanced Player's Guide]
Potion of Remove Sickness - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Magic]
Potion of Protection from Evil - 50 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Total: 200 gp (0 lbs)
Also, if you accept 'official' modules as canonical lore, then there is a 2nd edition Planescape adventure which explains the fluff behind the abilities of demons and devils to teleport at will. Spoiler: In the Squaring the Circle adventure on page 39 of the War Games book in the Hellbound, the Blood War box set by Colin McComb published by TSR in 1996, the yugoloth gave the gift of teleportation to devils and demons through a massive creature known as Maeldur Et Kavurik.
The Maeldur is the living focus of a teleportational matrix that can open paths through reality for any creature whose name it knows if they subconsciously focus on their destination. The yugoloth constantly whisper the names of every created demon and devil to this creature, granting them the ability to teleport at will.
Note that if you're going for realism, a greatsword was usually carried on the shoulder unsheathed. Here's a video with historical depictions of mercenaries carrying greatswords from the time periods where they were considered relevant weapons. The video makes a good point in noting that carrying a greatsword is very similar to carrying a polearm weapon, where you'll typically have to have it occupying one hand at all times. Or you can accept that the game mechanics sometimes don't perfectly align with reality and keep your greatsword in a sheath.
Also, as for the Minor Image, here's an alternative to your planned big monster, either with two CR 1 fiendish wolves added, or just part of the illusion spell. Before encounter (if Erinyes spots group before they see her and has time to prepare an ambush): "You hear the shrill sound of a horse whinnying in pain echoing ahead." At start of encounter: "You round a bend in the road. A steep rocky cliff plunges down twenty feet, where you see the scene of an accident. A one horse cart appears to have fallen off the side of the road and overturned." "A horse is tangled in the reins of the cart, a broken bone sticking through the skin of one of its legs sickeningly as it struggles to free itself." "A man with sharp pointed ears, likely an elf, seems to have been thrown from the cart during the fall. Half of his head is covered with blood from a serious looking wound, and he lays motionless next to a large boulder which he appears to have hit when he fell." "A human woman is pinned by her legs underneath the overturned cart, her bulging belly clearly indicating she's in the late stages of pregnancy. She pushes against the cart with her arms feebly, panting and whimpering softly in pain with every movement." "The cart's contents are scattered across the ground below, a collection of clothes, camping supplies, pots, ropes, as well as a scattering of gold that appears to have been thrown from the storage chest on the back of the wagon." "From your vantage point you can clearly see two large wolves have been attracted by the injured horse, stalking towards it through the undergrowth at the bottom of the rocky cliff." Perception checks to spot Erinyes have +5 DC due to party being distracted by illusion, +1/10 ft. distance as well. Characters jumping down the cliff to rescue the (illusionary) injured travelers will require DC 15 Acrobatics to ignore first 10 ft. fallen. If they take any damage from the 20 ft. fall, they land prone. Interacting with the illusion requires a DC 17 Will save to disbelieve, otherwise describe their actions as if it was real (you try to lift the cart but it's just too heavy to move, you comfort the woman as best as possible as she moans in pain, you think the man is bleeding out and needs first aid or magical healing to save his life, etc) Characters that try to climb back up the cliff require a DC 15 Climb check and climb at a quarter their base speed as a move action, or half their base speed as a full round action, to ascend the 20 ft. cliff. The ideal situation is if the group's main melee fighters jump down to use their big muscles to lift the cart, leaving the squishier members at the top. The Erinyes tries to summon 2 bearded devils to engage this group, raining down arrows afterwards on the biggest threat.
Kitsune Spirit Guide Oracle of Pharasma. Take the Wrecking Mysticism curse, trade all your bonus mystery spells for extra kitsune tails. Take the Life mystery, picking up Channel Energy here along with anything else you want. Take the Life Spirit wandering spirit, picking up the Life Link hex and gaining a second pool of Channel Energy at 7th level, plus gaining all your bonus mystery spells back at 4th level as spirit magic spells (the lists are identical). Take Fateful Channel at 7th level, granting everyone you heal the ability to reroll a single attack roll, skill check, or saving throw of their choice within a number of rounds equal to your Charisma bonus. The build's got solid charisma with it being their primary casting stat, gobs of hit points, 12+ channel energy per day from 7th level along with free rerolls, and can also overcharge hit points if you pick up Spirit Boost. You also get full access to the Cleric spell list, which has all kinds of awesome on there. A great method is to combine this build with liberal use of Summon Monster spells to create temporary allies and use them to grant flanking, absorb hits, and generally ruin your GM's day.
"You gasp as the blade plunges into your heart, the grimy bandit grinning with malicious delight as he watches the light fade from your eyes. Everything turns black, and your soul leaves your body to face Pharasma's judgement." "An untold time passes as you drift through a sea of souls travelling the rivers of the afterlife, when with a pain that sears itself across your very essence, you find yourself yanked back through the void, plunging into your still-cold corpse. You retch and convulse, your half-rotten body twitching with exquisite agony unmatched by any experience you've ever had the misfortune to encounter." "As the pain finally fades, you perceive your surroundings, noting your your companions are laying next to you, all of you naked and barely alive. A soft cackling laugh draws your attention behind you, where a shriveled crone stands watching you with milky white eyes, her toothless mouth curled in a cruel smile at your suffering." "'Not yet my pretties,' she croons at you, waggling a black-nailed finger in your direction. 'You're not finished yet, not when others have claim on you. Such silly children you are, thinking you could escape your duties so easily. Oh no, you've far more work ahead of you yet before you get to rest, hehehe!'"
0th Level: Prestidigitation Also known as "Wish, Lesser" this cantrip has a myriad of uses. Create a crude spider and slip it inside the paladin's bedroll before they go to sleep. Change their armour fluorescent pink for an hour. Make their rations taste like dog poop. Soil their undergarments. The delight of gnomish pranksters everywhere! 1st Level: Silent Image Planning to siege a castle? Create a 3D image of the structure, complete with miniature figurines of your party members that you can rotate, zoom in, and colour code different sections. A thief just stole your coin purse? Create a full image of his appearance to show the city guards. Spreading your group's fame in the local tavern? Give the crowd a big-screen TV show of your latest adventure that would rival any action blockbuster. Or create a porn video starring the paladin in every role. 2nd Level: Tears to Wine A great excuse to piss in the Paladin's waterskin. 3rd Level: Explosive Runes Interesting fact: hiring a messenger to deliver someone a note only costs 2 copper pieces if they're within a mile.
Here's my 1st level Pathfinder Society shopping list. Much of the latter part of this list is wishlist items to pick up after you get a bit of gold to spend, but most of it should be obtainable before level 2. This list doesn't include the cost of your primary weapons and armor since it differs by character. This list contains no items that require a minimum amount of Fame to purchase, and everything is PFS legal, provided you own the required resources. Adventuring Equipment
Sack of Powder - 1 cp (1/2 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Chalk - 1 cp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Torch - 1 cp (1 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Earplugs - 3 cp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
4 Candles - 4 cp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Inkpen - 1 sp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
3 Oil Flasks - 3 sp (3 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Waterproof Bag - 5 sp (1/2 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Wooden Holy Symbol - 1 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Grappling Hook - 1 gp (4 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Potion Sponge - 2 gp (0 lbs) [Advanced Race Guide]
Spring-Loaded Wrist Sheath - 5 gp (1 lb) [Adventurer's Armory]
Ink, 1 oz. vial - 8 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Journal - 10 gp (1 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
50 ft. Silk Rope - 10 gp (5 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Smoked Goggles - 10 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Pathfinder's Kit - 12 gp (22 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Total: 60 gp (38 lbs) - Leave your rations and bedroll at camp or on a mount to take 12 lbs off this total Weapons
Alchemical Silver Cestus - 25 gp (1 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Cold Iron Kunai - 4 gp (2 lbs) [Ranged Tactics Toolbox]
Total: 29 gp (3 lbs) Pets
Guard Dog - 25 gp [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Total: 25 gp Alchemical Items
Tindertwig - 1 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
2 Sunrods - 4 gp (2 lb) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Vermin Repellent - 5 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Smokestick - 20 gp (1/2 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Smelling Salts - 25 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Equipment]
Holy Water - 25 gp (1 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Smog Specialty Smoke Pellet - 40 gp (0 lbs) [Dungeoneer's Handbook]
Tanglefoot Bag - 50 gp (4 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Air Crystals - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Pathfinder Society Field Guide]
Total: 220 gp (7.5 lbs) Potions
Potion of Touch of the Sea - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Advanced Player's Guide]
Potion of Feather Step - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Advanced Player's Guide]
Potion of Remove Sickness - 50 gp (0 lbs) [Ultimate Magic]
Potion of Protection from Evil - 50 gp (0 lbs) [PRPG Core Rulebook]
Total: 200 gp (0 lbs)
Just finished the first half of a session of Doomsday Dawn at 1st level with myself as an Elf Wizard, along with a Dwarf Fighter, a Gnome Ranger, a Goblin Barbarian and a Human Bard. Overall, I can see myself spending my 2nd level skill feat on Trick Magic Item and picking up a wand of 1st level heal, and I'll be highly recommending it for all my allies too. The game does not balance well for a group without a Cleric, and it's only thanks to my own preparation in buying multiple scrolls of Soothe that we didn't end up with a party wipe. I forsee myself still passing out heals from the wand, attempting to overspend resonance to get a few more activations out of it, then passing it around to everyone else with the Trick Magic Item feat when I fail my check, grabbing their wand and trying until I crit fail my check. I don't see it changing the issue of using wands to top up after battle, because there's still no alternative system to allow characters to heal between fights that don't rely on a specific class. All it does is add an extra layer of potential failure.
It's amusing, because I thought pre-playtest that Paizo would be giving the Alchemist class special treatment as their golden-boy poster child for the game. Instead, I was surprised at how little love Alchemists ended up getting. Between being starved for Resonance due to all class abilities triggering off the same pool and the issues they have with mandatory bulk, they're probably competing for last place with Sorcerers for least viable class.
I agree, it's good feedback! As a player, I'm the kind of person that always has some obscure item from a rulebook somewhere that happens to be the perfect tool for the job (what, you mean you didn't know a cold iron kunai can be used as a crowbar?) and I value the ability to carry a range of tools with me to suit the occasion. The bulk system has its merits, but there's also some failings as well. I think that lowering the bulk of a few kits would go a long way towards solving this problem. Alchemist's tools in particular have a strong argument from a gameplay balance perspective to be reduced to at least 1 bulk if not lower.
John Teixeira wrote:
Only if the enemy's using Readied Actions or access to Attack of Opportunity. Concentration breaks only if the damage is dealt as a reaction the action to maintain concentration. Even if the enemy strikes you three times on their turn, you don't lose the spell.
Don't forget the part before the section you quoted: Playtest Rulebook, p. 318 wrote: In general when retraining, you can’t make choices that you couldn’t when first making your character If it's legal when first making the choice for your character, it's legal for retraining at a later level. And selecting any archetype feat for any class feat is legal.
Fuzzypaws wrote:
You're committing a logic fallacy in your interpretation. Observation: Class Feats have level prerequisites.
This is wrong. The level prerequisites are the minimum character level you must be to take that Feat. You can select a 1st level Class Feat at 5th level because you meet the prerequisites of being at least 1st level. You can select a 4th level Archetype Feat at 5th level because you meet the prerequisites of being at least 4th level. You can select any Archetype Feat in place of a Class Feat if you meet the prerequisites. Thus you can select a 4th level Archetype Feat in place of a 1st level Class Feat at 5th level.
The reason Dex to damage isn't available is due to how many things already key off Dex in comparison to Str. Str gives carrying capacity, melee and thrown damage, and one skill (Athletics). Dex gives AC, TAC, Ref saves, ranged attack, and three skills (Acrobatics, Stealth, Thievery). Taking damage from Str and giving it to Dex unfairly weights the choice between the two. Personally, I feel happy that the designers haven't given a means of Dex to damage.
I am not a personal fan of Signature Skills capping skill progression. I believe a character with strong motivation to excel within a nonstandard field shouldn't be arbitrarily prevented from doing so. Nevertheless, the argument is sound that a class should define, to an extent, what training you'd receive. Thus, my proposed alternative is as follows: Signature skills define the training a class provides. At 1st level, you begin play Trained in the class's signature skills. Characters also begin play Trained in an additional amount of skills equal to their Intelligence modifier. You may advance any skill to Master/Legendary at the appropriate level as normal. This solves two issues: First, this assigns more value to Intelligence. Currently it's a clear dump stat, but giving it the option of allowing flexibility in adding an extra Trained skill might tempt more classes into putting a free boost or two into it. Second, this gives incentive to classes to invest into Signature skills as they level up, but allows them to go a different direction if they prefer. Third, this solves many of the "Cleric doesn't know about Religion, Druid doesn't know about Nature, Rogue doesn't know how to Pick Locks" issues. Currently, (with the exception of Druids, after Jason's post) every class gains a number of bonus Trained skills equal to their number of Signature skills. It's obviously intended that they invest these into the skills for that class. Let's cut out the middle man. Some would rightly feel this limits creativity at character creation, but I feel this preserves the core concept that your class defines your initial training, but doesn't necessarily limit or prevent you from still working outside the box. At most, you're 1 skill level down in a skill outside your Signature Skills, and you have the choice to negate that entirely if you invest into Intelligence rather than treating it as a dump stat. At present, besides the issues outlined above, the only other conflict I can see to this alternative interacting with the current rules is meeting 2nd level prerequisites for multiclassing. A character with less than 12 Int wouldn't be able to qualify for the Trained prerequisite of their multiclass archetype feat's Signature Skill. This can be likely solved by simply removing the 12 Int prerequisite on the Skill Training skill feat. Thus, a character without at least 12 Int can still multiclass at 2nd level at the cost of their 2nd level Skill Feat on Skill Training and 2nd level class feat on Dedication.
Ventnor wrote:
Why not? I appreciate your comment, but could I ask you to include details as to which rule you're using in the Playtest Rulebook to back up this statement? My own reading is that it is legal, precisely because p. 279 allows any class feat to be used for any archetype feat, without any wording restricting them by level. The only restriction is prerequisites, which are all met at 5th level in the example.
Question #1 Can the bonus class feat from Natural Ambition be used to purchase a multiclass feat in place of a class feat provided the player meets the prerequisites? Playtest Rulebook, p. 37 wrote:
Playtest Rulebook, p. 279 wrote: Applying an archetype requires you to spend your class feats on archetype feats instead of class feats. Start by finding the archetype that best fits your character concept, and select the archetype’s dedication feat using one of your class feat choices. Once you have the dedication feat, you can select any feat from that archetype in place of a class feat as long as you meet its prerequisites. Example: Gish the Human Wizard decides to multiclass into Fighter. They take Fighter Dedication as their 2nd level class feat, Basic Maneuver as their 4th level class feat, and select Natural Ambition as their 5th level Ancestry Feat, gaining a 1st level class feat. Can Gish use this class feat to purchase the archetype feat Fighter Resiliency? Question #2 Table 5-1 on p. 160 lists Non-Skill Feats. Several of these feats carry the Skill trait in their individual description. Can the following Feats be selected using a Skill feat? Diehard
Question #3 Playtest Rulebook, p. 280 wrote: You cast spells like a cleric. ...Choose a deity as you would if you were a cleric. You’re bound by that deity’s anathema. Playtest Rulebook, p. 70 wrote: Your deity also adds spells to your spell list. When preparing spells, you can select from these in addition to the spells on the divine list once you can cast that level of spell. Does a character with the Cleric Dedication and Basic Cleric Spellcasting archetype feats add their deity's 1st level Domain spell to their spell list?
I am not a personal fan of Signature Skills capping skill progression. I believe a character with strong motivation to excel within a nonstandard field shouldn't be arbitrarily prevented from doing so. Nevertheless, the argument is sound that a class should define, to an extent, what training you'd receive. Thus, my proposed alternative is as follows: Signature skills define the training a class provides. At 1st level, you begin play Trained in the class's signature skills. Characters also begin play Trained in an additional amount of skills equal to their Intelligence modifier. You may advance any skill to Master/Legendary at the appropriate level as normal. This solves two issues: First, this assigns more value to Intelligence. Currently it's a clear dump stat, but giving it the option of allowing flexibility in adding an extra Trained skill might tempt more classes into putting a free boost or two into it. Second, this gives incentive to classes to invest into Signature skills as they level up, but allows them to go a different direction if they prefer. Third, this solves many of the "Cleric doesn't know about Religion, Druid doesn't know about Nature, Rogue doesn't know how to Pick Locks" issues. Currently, (with the exception of Alchemists, for reasons unknown) every class gains a number of bonus Trained skills equal to their number of Signature skills. It's obviously intended that they invest these into the skills for that class. Let's cut out the middle man.
Good catch, though given the title, it's obviously not gonna work. Also, even if you prepare it, there's no wording that says the spell becomes an arcane spell, and therefore the Wizard Arcane Spellcasting class feature that gives you "the power to cast arcane spells using the Cast a Spell activity" on p. 135 won't let you cast a prepared Occult spell, even if it's in one of your slots.
Franz Lunzer wrote:
I think you're a bit unclear on the way multiclassing works based on your comment here. A multiclassed character doesn't get to select class feats from their secondary class. They select from the list of multiclass archetype feats from p. 279 onwards. Some of these let you pick a 1st or 2nd level class feat, some add different features. The rules on p. 279 state "once you have the dedication feat, you can select any feat from that archetype in place of a class feat as long as you meet its prerequisites." Natural Ambition grants a 1st level class feat. You can select any feat from your archetype in place of a class feat. Ergo, you can select an archetype feat in place of a 1st level class feat unless you know of a rule that says this is an exception to the rules for archetypes? Darres147 wrote:
Can you clarify where you think there's rules stating this doesn't work? Because the rules for multiclassing let you take a multiclass archetype feat in replacement of a class feat, and Natural Ambition grants you a level 1 class feat. Seems pretty clear it does work according to the rules. And thus Ancestral Paragon becomes a great 3rd level general feat to get early progress into your multiclass.
You really, really don't want this. Currently one the biggest issues facing the Alchemist is their reliance on a single class of point resources: Resonance. Number-crunching has revealed that Alchemists, after using their class abilities that key off this single pool, often end up with a single encounter's worth of abilities to use, and their lack of cantrips means they usually rely on a crossbow for further actions. Having separate pools of points to track for channel energy might be a slight increase in bookwork, but gives you the default best (and in many cases, only) source of reliable healing in the game.
From my other post regarding Wizard Signature skills, here's my list of number of Signature skill by class as well as trained skills by class: Alchemist: 3 (2+Int trained)
Not that due to the mechanics of flat level based skill increases, you can theoretically only train a maximum of 7 skills total to Master level, or 3 Legendary and 1 Master skill. It's interesting to note that both Int based classes get the least amount of bonus trained skills, meaning an 18 Int Wizard is trained in only one more skill than a 10 Int Sorcerer, and has far fewer class Signature skill options to increase above Expert. Overall, I highly dislike Signature skills as a mechanic and believe they should be removed entirely, allowing any class to spend their levels in any skill they wish. I don't see anything inherently unbalancing in a Fighter that's trained his whole life in moving stealthily, or a Monk that's spent years becoming one with Nature.
Planar Binding is now a ritual rather than a spell, and crit failure summons a face-eating-thing-that-should-not-be rather than your original target. Blink makes you appear 10 ft. in a random direction determined by the DM at the end of each of your turns for 1 minute. No longer lets you move through walls or objects, can't use it to bypass locked doors unless you get lucky with your random direction (and the DM can simply choose not to let you go that way anyhow). A bunch of Conjuration stuff got moved around:
This, plus the explicit ban on using multiple summoned creatures due to action economy, means it's a bad day for Conjurers. In other news, Rope Trick got bumped from 2nd to 4th, as well as made Uncommon (A.K.A not for players, enemies only). Also, no more window outside, and can be dispelled by enemies with a successful Athletics check on the rope. So basically, they took the spell out the back and layed into it with nerf bats.
Here's my 1st level Pathfinder Society shopping list. Much of the latter part of this list is wishlist items to pick up after you get a bit of gold to spend, but most of it should be obtainable before level 2. This list doesn't include the cost of your primary weapons and armor since it differs by character. This list contains no items that require a minimum amount of Fame to purchase, and everything is PFS legal, provided you own the required resources. I also heartily recommend your first 2PP be spent on a Wand of Cure Light Wounds or a Wand of Infernal Healing. BYO heals! Adventuring Equipment
Sack of Powder - 1 cp (1/2 lbs)
Chalk - 1 cp (0 lbs)
Torch - 1 cp (1 lbs)
Earplugs - 3 cp (0 lbs)
4 Candles - 4 cp (0 lbs)
Inkpen - 1 sp (0 lbs)
3 Oil Flasks - 3 sp (3 lbs)
Waterproof Bag - 5 sp (1/2 lbs)
Wooden Holy Symbol - 1 gp (0 lbs)
Grappling Hook - 1 gp (4 lbs)
Potion Sponge - 2 gp (0 lbs)
Spring-Loaded Wrist Sheath - 5 gp (1 lb)
Ink, 1 oz. vial - 8 gp (0 lbs)
Journal - 10 gp (1 lbs)
50 ft. Silk Rope - 10 gp (5 lbs)
Smoked Goggles - 10 gp (0 lbs)
Pathfinder's Kit - 12 gp (22 lbs)
Total: 60 gp (38 lbs) - Leave your rations and bedroll at camp or on a mount to take 12 lbs off this total Weapons
Alchemical Silver Cestus - 25 gp (1 lbs)
Cold Iron Kunai - 4 gp (2 lbs)
Total: 29 gp (3 lbs) Pets
Guard Dog - 25 gp
Total: 25 gp Alchemical Items
Tindertwig - 1 gp (0 lbs)
2 Sunrods - 4 gp (2 lb)
Vermin Repellent - 5 gp (0 lbs)
Smokestick - 20 gp (1/2 lbs)
Smelling Salts - 25 gp (0 lbs)
Holy Water - 25 gp (1 lbs)
Smog Smoke Pellet - 40 gp (0 lbs)
Tanglefoot Bag - 50 gp (4 lbs)
Air Crystals - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Total: 220 gp (7.5 lbs) Potions
Potion of Touch of the Sea - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Potion of Feather Step - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Potion of Remove Sickness - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Potion of Protection from Evil - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Total: 200 gp (0 lbs)
Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
I disagree, and therefore I'm going to separate every paragraph you wrote into individual quotes and reply to each one separately.
Here's my 1st level Pathfinder Society shopping list. Much of the latter part of this list is wishlist items to pick up after you get a bit of gold to spend, but most of it should be obtainable before level 2. This list doesn't include the cost of your primary weapons and armor since it differs by character. This list contains no items that require a minimum amount of Fame to purchase, and everything is PFS legal, provided you own the required resources. Adventuring Equipment
Sack of Powder - 1 cp (1/2 lbs)
Chalk - 1 cp (0 lbs)
Torch - 1 cp (1 lbs)
Earplugs - 3 cp (0 lbs)
4 Candles - 4 cp (0 lbs)
Inkpen - 1 sp (0 lbs)
3 Oil Flasks - 3 sp (3 lbs)
Waterproof Bag - 5 sp (1/2 lbs)
Wooden Holy Symbol - 1 gp (0 lbs)
Grappling Hook - 1 gp (4 lbs)
Potion Sponge - 2 gp (0 lbs)
Spring-Loaded Wrist Sheath - 5 gp (1 lb)
Ink, 1 oz. vial - 8 gp (0 lbs)
Journal - 10 gp (1 lbs)
50 ft. Silk Rope - 10 gp (5 lbs)
Smoked Goggles - 10 gp (0 lbs)
Pathfinder's Kit - 12 gp (22 lbs)
Total: 60 gp (38 lbs) - Leave your rations and bedroll at camp or on a mount to take 12 lbs off this total Weapons
Alchemical Silver Cestus - 25 gp (1 lbs)
Total: 25 gp (1 lbs) Pets
Guard Dog - 25 gp
Total: 25 gp Alchemical Items
Tindertwig - 1 gp (0 lbs)
2 Sunrods - 4 gp (2 lb)
Vermin Repellent - 5 gp (0 lbs)
Smokestick - 20 gp (1/2 lbs)
Smelling Salts - 25 gp (0 lbs)
Holy Water - 25 gp (1 lbs)
Smog Smoke Pellet - 40 gp (0 lbs)
Tanglefoot Bag - 50 gp (4 lbs)
Air Crystals - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Total: 220 gp (7.5 lbs) Potions
Potion of Touch of the Sea - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Potion of Feather Step - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Potion of Remove Sickness - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Potion of Protection from Evil - 50 gp (0 lbs)
Total: 200 gp (0 lbs)
I'm completely open to the idea of the Leadership feat in my own home game, and we've had some wonderful characters evolve from this. One character's cohort was a knight rescued from a gnoll slave pit. He'd suffered tortures at their hands, his eyes put out and missing various other body parts, yet he threatened to fight the party if they moved to hurt the other slaves with him, establishing him as an important NPC in the process. Of course they rescued him, the cleric got the opportunity to fix him up with the Regenerate spell they'd just accessed by the end of the story arc, and he swore his life to her and her god in return. The whole party ended up having an interplanar transport accident soon afterwards, smashing their way into an umbral dragon's castle by accident. But instead of attacking them immediately, the dragon insisted on treating them as his unexpected guests and demanded they accept his hospitality and stay an evening with him. He even showered the with gifts, but of course he had other goals, using enchantment magic to convince the party cleric to express her desire to stay with the dragon a bit longer. Not wanting to pick a fight right then and there, the rest of the party allowed it in order to escape and prepare for a rescue mission later. Of course, the knight had ended up falling in love with the cleric at this stage. He ended up selling the right to the soul of his first-born child with the cleric to Nocticula in exchange for a +1 holy longsword of dragon bane and various other guarantees that he could defeat the dragon, whereupon there was a climactic battle, resulting in only the cleric and her knight still standing as the final blow was struck, slaying the dragon and winning his love's freedom. The cleric is now pregnant in this current game, and I'm looking forward to the future confrontation over the child's fate with great glee. A well developed NPC can add a lot of fun to a game, provided they're used effectively as a plot device.
Bob Bob Bob wrote: Here's your mistake. You want Flesh to Stone or Trap the Soul. Death is the easiest condition to fix so you need a better one. I mean, nothing stops divinations in the end (some way to permanent mindblank? Probably not worth it cost-wise) but you can make it more difficult than just resurrecting the dead guy and asking them what happened. Keep in mind that outsiders already can't be raised from the dead by anything short of a limited wish, wish, miracle, or true resurrection. After a few divinations to determine how the wish giver was trapped, "I wish the efreeti was flesh again" or "I wish the gem holding the efreeti's soul was broken" are both options on the table under the "undo the harmful effects of many spells" clause of Wish or Limited Wish. |