Not just you. I very much prefer her old look and happily backed the kickstarter of her statue which will be displayed in my home.
Having said that though, I don't hate this new look. As an alternate universe Seoni, she still looks great. But I feel that she (and nearly all the other iconics for that matter) looks better in her original artwork.
Keith Richmond wrote:
Nobody says "Gee, I wish I would fail more checks" but people _do_ say that they want more illusion of danger, challenge, less sameness, and a vast variety of things that actually translate as "I wish I thought I might fail more checks, even if I don't actually."
I'm curious of the sample size you used to reach the inference that this is what most players want. There's a notable difference between an illusion of danger that requires gambling with using bonuses to ensure passing one particular check at the risk of not having those bonuses on a possibly more important future check and an illusion of danger that relies on making checks more random.
Granted there is a sense of satisfaction at passing that last difficult to achieve check with only one turn left and the odds not quite in your favor, this should be an exceptional case not the norm and is quite simply achieved by increasing the difficulty of the final villain. It's something you already do to great effect. And you've already solved the problem of trivializing that final check by limiting the number of blessings that can be played on it.
Sam Phelan wrote:
I just checked, and it's showing in my downloads now. Thank you!
I ordered Pathfinder Society Adventure Card Guild #5-4: Rise From the Wreckage PDF back in December, but the PDF still isn't able to be downloaded by me. Other members have reported being able to download their copy last month, so I'm curious the order still shows as Pending for me.
When I click on the order, it says the PDF is currently not available, then immediately under that it says it's in my downloads (which it is not). Please help correct this.
Doktor Weasel wrote:
Well considering it's been officially pronounced Kie-ra for around a decade, it's not easy to suddenly change the way you pronounce her name based on a decision made a month ago.
I sent them an email as you suggested several days ago, but I still haven't heard anything back from them. Not that I'm in any major hurry. There are plenty of other board games I'm still in the middle of, so I'm not sure when my group will get back to playing PACG.
Still, do you have an idea of how long they usually take to respond? I did pay for the PDF, so if it's an error on their end, I would like to be able to download it. If it's just not released yet, then I'll just keep waiting.
I really like a lot of the changes being made. There are a couple questionable ones (like the location banishing), but I can't say whether that's good or bad without some context in how new cards will interact with that.
The one thing I wish the team would stop spending its energy on is trying to make this game backwards compatible. There are enough changes being made that likely HUNDREDS of cards will need to receive errata.
In my opinion (and I'm not sure how unpopular an opinion it would be), instead of generating a mountain of errata to fix the old cards, new versions of the old cards should be reprinted for use in the new "edition". This would give a chance to revisit the old class decks and bring them up to the current power level of cards. Those original seven class decks especially need some updating. I would much prefer to have a new version of the class deck to buy (with some all new characters included) to constantly referencing errata. It would also allow the cards to match the new style and save a bit of frustration for those of us with OCD. And it shouldn't require too much effort since many of the cards can be reused with minor adjustments to fit the new rules.
I'm in agreement with others that she looks far too frail. I don't agree that muscled barbarians are a "cliché". It's a natural result of constantly lifting and swinging around heavy objects their entire life. In Amiri's case, it's an extremely heavy and unwieldy object. You're bound to develop muscles in a career such as hers. She has a natural 18 STR before raging. For a human that means she's going to be muscular.
In my personal opinion - of all the artwork I've seen, I prefer the originals in nearly every single case.
Ideally, this is what I would have liked to see the game evolve towards as well. I've lost count of the number of times I've mistakenly misplayed a card because I was reading it too quickly and missed a word towards the end of the paragraph of instructions. Magic: the Gathering also started out with rather verbose instructions, but they quickly moved to a more concise and consistent format which greatly improved card readability.
Although given that the RPG has a similar problem, I don't anticipate the game moving in this direction. It would be nice to at least keep it under consideration, though.
Hopefully you enjoy it as much as I do! I've played WotR Seoni with Pathfinder Tales and Ultimate Magic 4 or 5 times now, and I haven't gotten tired of it.
Brother Tyler wrote:
can we still expect to see all of the classes getting a class/character deck?
I'm still hoping for a Swashbuckler, one of my favorite classes to play in the RPG. Until then it'd be nice if they relaxed the restrictions a bit. For example, you're allowed to use Jirelle with the Rogue class deck, but I'd really like to use her with the Pathfinder Tales character deck. I'm fighting the rules stickler in me to just do it anyway for my home game. From the transitive property, since rogues can use the Pathfinder Tales deck and Jirelle can use the Rogue Class deck, Jirelle should be able to use the Pathfinder Tales deck lol.
The same with Seoni. It bugs me that every version of Seoni can use the Pathfinder Tales deck except Sorcerer Class deck Seoni. But I'm hoping the new Core Set Seoni will rectify that by becoming my new favorite Seoni - a mix between Wrath and Sorcerer Class deck. I love Wrath's ability to reuse a spell repeatedly (by not recharging it); but the d6 strength, d4 dexterity and use of armor are a bit off from the character.
Anyhow, I'm super excited about the new Core and Adventure Path as well. These months can't go by quickly enough!
I picked one of these up and so far, I am impressed. I haven't loaded it with cards yet, but I am excited to do so. I plan to use it to hold class decks. A quick test shows that the ultra pro deck boxes (such as this) will fit in the top two slots.
Do the PACG deck boxes fit though? It doesn't look like it, and I don't want to risk buying a chest it they won't fit. I like the fact that they can hold my PSACG deck including the class deck and ultimate deck, all neatly divided. I have a separate box for each character, so it'd be nice to have an official case to carry them in plus my dice, but I get the feeling this chest isn't it.
Yeah, even though it still hasn't been put into the official card errata, we've been playing it as such. Our Zova player was also abusing the heck out of it. He seemed to always have it in his hand any time we encountered any before/after encounter monsters. It trivialized so many encounters that required making a certain check to play spells/weapons or that caused automatic damage. I was actually having less fun because I would have cards in my deck specifically to help me in those situations, and he would just Cloud Puff away every time. (And with Zova's ability to cycle through her deck so easily, it never took long for Cloud Puff to come back.)
After changing Cloud Puff to only affecting his own location, the game seemed to return to normal.
As I mentioned in another thread, I'd love to have something like this. An entire party tracker would be really nice for my group that meets and plays fairly regularly. It wouldn't have to be too fancy. A way to have a quick list of each card name, type, AD#, and where it came from would be very handy. A nice visual interface is a bonus, but frankly anything is better than my current spreadsheet.
James McKendrew wrote:
We need an app like the one for Apocrypha that lets you track your decks (though it'd need to be expanded to track removed-from-game cards) online.
I can't believe there still isn't something like this, even fan-made. For most other games I play that require deckbuilding, I've easily found apps to keep track of multiple decks. I haven't been able to find anything for PACG. It wasn't a big deal prior to Ultimate decks, but now I have several society campaigns going on simultaneously (which as Brother Tyler mentioned will also cause a problem in the future APs), and although I like to play different character classes in each, sometimes I end up using the same Ultimate Deck.
Currently, I'm using a spreadsheet to keep track of my decks, but it would save quite a bit of time if there was an app out there. (And unfortunately I don't have any app coding skills to make one myself.)
If memory serves, seized ships don't carry over to the next scenario. They're only valid for the scenario in which they have been seized.
Yeah as someone already mentioned, you can use seized ships at the start of any scenario.
The Dominator specifically says it cannot be seized.
Well, I wasn't sure what the ship name was. I guessed that one, but it clearly wasn't it since that ship doesn't reduce structural damage by 2. It was Mistmourn.
In Tapestry's Tides thus far (halfway through 5-2), we've repaired our ship ~5-6 times. We often prefer to wreck the ship instead of taking 3-5 structural damage - which happened to us more than once.
It helps that we're using Jirelle and have seized the ship that reduces structural damage by an additional 2 (Dominator was it?). So at most, we've only had to discard 1 card so far, and Lirianne is usually carrying an extra pistol in her hand that she doesn't need which she happily discards so that she can recharge it the next time she encounters a monster.
I'm envious you are already playing 5-2. I'm still waiting for it to show up in the store to download. I was told it was supposed to come out yesterday, but it's still unavailable.
We have yet to use this reward. Not a single person in our group thinks getting a basic boon shuffled into a deck is better than potentially getting those elusive 1 (and hopefully soon 2 - where are you 5-2?) deck upgrades.
Also I agree that some of the S&S mechanics were kinda underplayed. We've gone through S&S, Season of the Shackles, and now Tapestry's Tides and have never had to repair a ship. I think that discarding cards to prevent structural damage shouldn't have been a thing. It would have made things a bit more interesting to have to force players to repair the ship. Of course the penalty should have been a little lessened then - perhaps a d6 roll at the start of each turn to determine if a plundered card was lost.
Like Yewstance, I don't want to agree with the Guide in this situation (and others) either, but I have this odd inability to deviate from the rules as written. Once I tried to get my 6-player group to deviate away from the 30-card blessing deck to a 42-card blessing deck because I felt that some scenarios were not balanced with 6 players in mind. (In a 4-player game, each player gets at least 7 turns; but in a 6-player they only get 5 turns. And in some of those "close all locations" scenarios with can get challenging). But it didn't sit well with me after a few sessions, and I insisted we go back to 30 cards.
However, since I avoided addressing the OP - I want to like Athnul. I've always been a fan of the weaponless martial arts types in various games (mostly on digital platforms). I've tried using Athnul about half a dozen times in various adventure paths. My biggest problem with her is that I get bored after several scenarios. I felt very little sense of progression with her, and felt a bit envious when other players were getting a fancy new weapon or spell; and once I upgraded to the item or ally I wanted, I would often get nothing at all.
I always get excited when looking at her role card and imagining all the ways I can utilize her to help my party, but in practice I have never even made it to her role card once without getting bored and switching over to another character.
How would I address this? "Spells". Kinda like how Reiko in the Ultimate Equipment deck can use spells that can be recharged by Ninjas, I think having Monk "spells" could have been interesting. I'm sure they could have added a single spell in Ultimate Equipment that could be recharged by monks to give Athnul something interesting to use. But they probably didn't want to spend time on a single card that would have really only have benefited a single character in the entire game.
Three months late on this response (I haven't checked the ACG forums in a long time due to lack of new material), but it seems like a couple people in this thread are doing this wrong. And I could have sworn there was a discussion on this before, but I found nothing from a search.
Athnul can't put AD3 Cure in her deck pre-role*. The adventure card guild rules specifically say you can't have a card in your deck higher than your tier. So choosing spell as a card feat prior to tier 3 isn't legal because you can't make a legal deck (unless you use an Ultimate deck in combination with her).
* Unless of course your tier 3 scenario offers a card feat as a reward (which I can't recall any that do) or after receiving your card feat at tier 3, you choose not to level up to tier 4.
I just opened up my Ultimate Wilderness, and I was quite surprised by the number of Alchemical cards. I'll have to let our Damiel player know, so he can decide between Equipment and Wilderness.
Also, it's funny how I was just saying how there are no Desna cards to support Arushaelae, and Wilderness has 2. Not a whole lot, but it's something to think about. And there are several ranged weapons for her to choose from as well. Intrigue is probably still a better option, but Wilderness wouldn't be wasted on her.
I actually didn't know either and had to dig around for an answer. Keith posted the relevant information here:
edit: Of course rereading it, the boon only allowed use of her in Season of the Righteous, so she can't even be used in the other adventures (unless there was a later addendum). I'm really hoping there's a new official way to play her soon, but like you, I'm not really holding my breath.
EDIT: I'm also a little surprised that Tyler didn't mention using Ultimate Magic with Arueshalae, when it's got quite a bit of Diplomacy-matters...
Sorry for the additional post quoting your message, but the site was acting up for me, and it kept crashing when I tried to edit the message.
I was curious about this, so I decided to pull out my Ultimate Magic deck to see if I'd enjoy using it with Arueshalae. Aside from the Codex of Conversations you mentioned, I wasn't able to find any other cards that utilized her Diplomacy. Maybe my eyes are tired and I'm completely overlooking them, but it seems like Intrigue might be a better fit if you're looking for Diplomacy-related cards. I'll take a look at it again later after I've rested my eyes. :)
Sorry to take away that skill feat, but I was just finishing up a spreadsheet I was working on for quick reference to characters I have an interest in playing and which add-on decks I wanted to use with them. I noticed that Tyler doesn't have Channa-Ti listed anywhere in the above lists. I'm pretty certain he'd go with "Wilderness", but nevertheless she's not up there. ;)
Actually you do. The boon that allows you to play her specifically says you also use her Owner cards when you reach the adventure level.
To be fair, only 1 of Arueshalae's roles makes any reference to the Desna trait, and it only references it once, in a single power that can actually be used with any blessing.
I'm not sure what you mean by her Owner cards having a very narrow purpose. I used them quite a bit in WotR, and I would make use of them a lot in OP if I had more Desna cards to work with them. (Well maybe not the staff so much, but the bracers and bow would still be useful in any OP adventure if she had some Blessings of the Starsong.)
Sadly, I haven't been able to play her in "official" games yet, so I'm very much looking forward to her becoming openly available.
Tyler Beck wrote:
Sadly, I was hoping that meant there would be some Desna cards in Ultimate Intrigue and disappointed to find none. This currently is the biggest hurdle in making full use of Arueshalae's cards. There are Desna blessings available while playing Wrath of the Righteous, but in a PFSACG setting, they're nonexistent (aside from the extremely slim chance of temporarily acquiring one in Season of the Righteous).
Tyler Beck wrote:
Rogue Arueshalae Intrigue
Okay I'm really late coming back to this party, but thanks for the list! It helps my friend and I plan in advance which characters to use for future parties since we each only have one of each Ultimate deck.
I'm a bit confused about one thing. In your first post you put Arueshalae - Combat. Then 3 days later you posted Arueshalae again but put Intrigue. Which one would you recommend more? (I guess I can determine for myself in a couple weeks once Intrigue arrives, but I was curious why you changed your mind.)
So with the efforts to make "sword & board" more viable, will the requirements to use lay on hands be made more explicit? I know a couple GMs who say you can't use it if your hands are currently preoccupied (e.g. holding a weapon and a shield). This caused some players to come up with creative ways to drop and retrieve their weapon, or to just use a 2h weapon (which was often better anyway). But now that it costs actions to do this, it becomes even harder to use LoH in the middle of battle.
Thematically, S&B paladins have always been more appealing to me, and I'm hoping to them become more viable. The blog even mentions a case of a paladin using LoH on himself and raising a shield for even more AC. I'm hoping this is all doable without also dropping his sword.
Agent Eclipse wrote:
Super excited to be able to play the Arcanist finally!
A version of Enora's been in play for a couple years now. Unless you mean the Wizard class deck and Pathfinder Tales decks weren't good enough for her in Adventure Card Guild. In which case, super excited to be able to play Seoni finally! ^_^
I have bought all of the Character packs up to this point but most of them do nothing for me really, and there are so many now. At this point, it seems strange that no other content has been developed outside of the 'Character Pack' format.
This was my point when I said they should add more characters. I own all the character packs as well, and I will never play 70 to 80 percent of them because they don't interest me at all. Everyone has different tastes and different concepts they enjoy, so there will never be enough characters released so long as there are still more archetypes that haven't been covered.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be more banes. I would absolutely love that. But for me, I'd like to be able to play versions of the characters I play in the RPG.
I have to agree with the side that feels this is bad news. I've been playing Pathfinder for a long time and even spent an entire summer participating with strangers in local PFS groups (which is a big step for me since I'm normally too introverted to go out by myself and talk to a group of people I don't know). That's how much I loved Pathfinder.
I enjoyed playing D&D 3.5, and when it become 4E, I disliked the change. I tried it, but really disliked it. Then I found out about Pathfinder, and it was exactly what I was looking for. I introduced some of my old 3.5 friends to it, the ones who were also disappointed with 4E, and together we started playing Pathfinder. And we loved it. It's hard to believe we've invested nearly 10 years in it already.
But now it feels like a legacy is coming to an end. It's a bit disheartening, but I guess nothing good lasts forever. I already know I will dislike 2nd Edition based on some of the things I've read. That doesn't mean I won't give it a try. I gave D&D 4E and even 5E a try, but I didn't like either of them. And I'll give Pathfinder 2E a try. But I really doubt it'll give me the enjoyment Pathfinder has given me all these years, so I will most likely not invest any more money into it.
It's a shame that this is the decision Paizo has come to. I didn't think they were hurting this badly. In each of the local gaming stores I do my shopping, Pathfinder by far dominates the RPG section. There's only one tiny shelf for D&D products, while Pathfinder covers nearly a dozen others. And I feel this decision only serves to split the playerbase. If new blood is what they were looking for, it would have been a much wiser decision to simply relaunch the game with a fully compatible system. In exactly the same way the Unchained book brought new life to several classes, a new "Unchained" core book with the original classes and races would have been better - a stepping on point for new players where you could make the changes that need to be made for new players and players who want the change; but still allowing older players to continue moving forward with what they've already invested in.
This is mostly for those who haven't tried out the Magus deck yet or are on the fence over grabbing it: it's one of my favorites. I've played Talitha quite a bit, and her ability to bury blessings to later retrieve them is tremedously powerful. And even though she's classified as a "staff mage", I gave her Gallivance and never looked back. Gallivance was almost made for her! (I think Seltyiel stole it from her.) I love being able to bury a blessing to add her high Arcane skill to her melee checks, with the ability to use that blessing to reroll a die that rolled a bit too low. She rarely ever fails checks. Then later when she gets her Holy Avenger role, she can add the number of buried blessings to ALL checks (after a feat)!
Kudos to whomever designed this deck. I haven't gotten tired of using it!
It would be very easy to stay in same locations with bigger parties, if there is more time. So big party would steamroll scenarios with that variation... so the limitations should be something different... I am not sure that this is a thing that needs fixing. I enjoy the difference between 2 Person or 6 Person game. It is like different game all together, so more interesting to play again with different size croup.
I've played nothing but 6 player games, and we've never found staying at the same location to be very beneficial. If you find the villain, and nobody is covering the other locations, he could end up anywhere, and you waste time trying to locate him again. Also there are many cards that affect everyone at your location, so we try to avoid that. And of course, not everyone is going to be able to close the location very easily, so you could end up with the wrong character finding the henchmen, and suddenly your group is using extra blessings just to get the location closed, meaning even less explores available.
The only time we really group at a location is if there's nowhere else to go (we've already closed the others), or if it's a really nasty location with a mean "start of turn" effect, and we just want to close it as quickly as possible.
And if big parties aren't currently "steamrolling scenarios", and in fact have an issue with time many times, I don't see how giving everyone an extra turn is going to suddenly make the game too easy.
Ah, I see. Yes balancing the two would make things fun. The time factor is easy - there should be a variable number of cards in the blessings deck depending on the size of the party. Then to mitigate the fact that more characters gives more blessings and other forms of help which diminish the need for healing, the best solution is to probably limit the "range" of these cards. You can only play cards to help a character at your location or an adjacent location, for example. Something that doesn't hurt small parties with few locations but does affect large parties with many locations.
In regards to Brother Tyler's post, I feel the perceived notion that the game is too combat-focused is because most of the banes encountered are monsters, especially henchmen and villains. Barriers are meant to represent the non-combat obstacles. They're not necessarily just traps (though most of them fall into that category), but can also represent other sticky situations like the Shopkeeper's Daughter.
This isn't an issue solely with the Adventure Card Game. Pathfinder in general is built around this for the most part. When you play Pathfinder Society, the henchmen and final boss are nearly always combat encounters. That's just what most people expect, and probably what most people want. Even in the RPG, being a non-combat character is usually going to be pretty boring for a majority of the scenario. I remember playing alongside a player who loved being the party "face", but when it came to combat (which it inevitably does in PFS), he was almost completely ineffective. The GM did his best to allow him to roleplay his way through some things, but for the most part, combat encounters require combat. If more than one player were doing this, we likely wouldn't survive.
Similary in PFACG, in a 6p game you could likely have 1 player be non-combat, and the others could carry them through the combat portions of the game. But I wouldn't try it with a 2nd player doing that until they start making adventures that are more barrier-focused.
Please no. It's annoying enough to have to replay scenarios multiple times because we keep running out of time. If we have to have a healer run around healing people, that will mean even less time. Replaying an entire campaign because the group wants to try different characters - that's fun. But replaying a scenario when everyone wants to move on and continue the story - not fun.
Not necessarily a change, but something I would like to see added - more characters! Now that we have Ultimate decks coming out to supplement all the class/character decks, a character expansion set is completely viable. New archetypes for rangers, rogues, fighters, etc. etc. I've been hoping for a couple years now for my favorite divine hunter paladin to make an appearance (like the one in the NPC Codex that even has a miniature made already). Popular non-iconics such as Shalelu could be fun as well.
(I also considered having official OP rules for creating your own character, but creating a list of balanced power feats to choose from sounds like a bit too much work.)
I don't think zeroth_hour2 was saying it didn't work at all. I believe he was making the same point I was about Rivani. The spells are usable by them since they both have arcane. But the spells (and other cards) become better for those who have the perception skill, which unfortunately is everyone except the characters who are supposed to be the best at using those particular cards.
It was just an odd design choice that makes it seem like it was more of an oversight than actual intention. Nothing is broken here. There's just some lost flavor.
It seems that Kinetic Blast is a spell designed for Yoon, yet it has a Arcane and Perception check (which is the Psychic spell template) rather than the Arcane and Fortitude check. Is this intended? Yoon doesn't have Perception, so she's worse at using this than Erasmus.
I had this same question in another thread concerning psychic cards in the other Occult Adventures deck. Amusingly you even called this a "Psychic spell template", but even the Psychic character herself doesn't have the Perception skill. I understand that these cards need to be made usable by the other characters in their deck. I don't like the idea that the other characters are better at using these cards than the characters who they were designed for in the first place. But whatever the reason may be, they made it clear it was intended (or at least they're aware of it and have no intention of changing it).
One other thing I would like to see change is the utility of allies. I really haven't given it enough thought to offer any suggestion, but currently in my group (6 players), all the text printed on allies are a waste of ink. The only power we ever can afford to use them for is to explore again.
It might be more a problem with the fact that the countdown timer (the blessings deck) wasn't designed to scale to 6 players. 30 cards with 6 players means that we each only get 5 turns (as opposed to the 7.5 turns that 4 players have), so extra explores each turn becomes more of a necessity. So while it would be fun to hold on to that ally to use its other powers, instead it immediately gets discarded to explore again. (And even then, sometimes we still run out of time if the Villain ends up as the bottom card of a location.)
(Amusingly, I just came up with an idea while typing this.) Perhaps instead, allies can be displayed to explore again. Then you can still discard them to use their other powers. At the end of your turn, if it's displayed, discard it.