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Monday, July 14, 2014

The Year of the Sky Key, Season 6 of the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign, is approaching, and that means the new Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play is on its way. It's still a few weeks before we preview the new guide, but we can share a few new options available at the start of Season 6. In fact, there's something for players and something for GMs and organizers.

I imagine you've already spotted the art and guessed that expanded race access is one announcement—spot on. Just as non-standard race access is a hot topic on the messageboards, it's a common talking point during our meetings. It's tough to balance the lure of race boons for conventions against letting as many people as possible play the types of characters they want. Add to that the heated discussions about whether or not some non-standard races are overpowered and the concerns about the so-called "cantina effect." That's a lot to juggle when making a decision, but we decided that introducing a few new options would be best for the campaign. Beginning August 14th 2014 at Gen Con, three new races will be available for play without requiring a special Chronicle sheet: kitsune, nagaji, and wayang. These races have been in circulation through extra Chronicle sheets for nearly three years now, and even though some players have had an opportunity to create these characters, we want newer players to have new options to enjoy. Like other race options, it is still necessary that a player have a book or watermarked pdf reference for the race, such as from Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Dragon Empires Gazetteer, Pathfinder Player Companion: Dragon Empires Primer, Pathfinder RPG: Advanced Race Guide, or Pathfinder RPG Bestiary: Bestiary 4.


Illustration by Eva Widermann

So let's see... seven core races plus three Bestiary races plus three Dragon Empires races. That equals 13, right? Well, there's one piece missing from that equation. We're also removing two races.

For several years, aasimar and tieflings have enjoyed a prominent role in the Pathfinder Society, but as the organization concludes its work in Mendev—where numerous pit-born fight for recognition and heaven-blooded warriors wage holy war—it's time for them to step back. Beginning on August 14th, creating an aasimar or tiefling character will require a special Chronicle sheet, as was the case years ago. The exception is any aasimar or tielfing character with at least 1 XP; these characters are grandfathered into the campaign.

Does this mean you can create several new characters, play a scenario with each, and have several native outsiders waiting for when you need them? Well, we debated long and hard whether to require 4 XP per character, as at that point one is past the free rebuilding stage. However, we also recognized this as unnecessarily punitive to casual players who may only be able to play once or twice in the next month. To answer your question, yes, you can make 10 aasimars and play The Confirmation an equal number of times, but we're trusting you'll exercise some good taste and respect a decision made with the larger community in mind.

Now that we've covered the more controversial news, let's wrap things up with something outright awesome.

We (both Mike and John) both have experience as venture-officers and event coordinators, and we understand that sometimes it's tough to convince a new player to commit to a full 4-5 hour experience. Some events just are not conducive to running a full game, whether that's because it's a weeknight with lots of folks who need to get to bed early or because the location is only open for a few hours. What do you do when a scenario just isn't short enough?

For years the answer has been quests, one-hour mini-adventures intended to last an hour or less. They're great little adventures, but they're a little difficult to schedule for a few reasons. First, there's no easy way to tell a bigger story by connecting a few quests together. Second, the quests—though replayable—offer no gold, XP, or Prestige Points, giving them a reputation of risk for little reward. The most difficult hurdle is that there are only two of them in print (not counting the Goblin Attack demos or Beginner's Box Bash demos).

This year at Gen Con, we're debuting six new 1st-level Pathfinder Quests that take place in and around the River Kingdoms. Each one is a standalone adventure, but they are all loosely tied into a common plot thread, allowing a GM to combine anywhere from two to all six to make a larger adventure as suits the needs of the group and event location. Play them in any order—one can even play the finale quest early—and earn a Chronicle sheet with rewards that scale based on the number of adventures you played.

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Expanded race options are cool, but I'm not looking forward to playing with all the big, dumb Nagaji paladins, battle oracles, bloodragers, naga aspirants, and cavaliers. I'll have to start carrying mops and buckets on my PCs just to clean up all the drool.

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Dan Houser wrote:
For example, could 8 INT Fighters even complete their faction missions? They're usually handed a note. Or, are they able to read as well?

You seem to misunderstand how serious an 8 is.

An 8 is normal.

Pathfinder did away with the (frankly ridiculous) idea that being an average person meant being perfectly average in every individual ability (11/11/11/10/10/10). In Pathfinder, every NPC-classed person (unless they're a special exception) has 13/12/11/10/9/8. Yes, as you walk down the streets of Absalom, every random merchant/beggar/farmer/aristocrat/adept/priest/whatever has an 8 somewhere. They have a 9 somewhere, too.

Normal people have an 8.

PC-classed NPCs instead have 15/14/13/12/10/8. That's right, even the exceptional people have an 8.

It is normal for someone to have an 8 somewhere.

An 8 is within the range of normal.

And this is all before we even get into racial modifiers—normal dwarves' CHA ranges from 11 to 6, and they function as a society. Ordinary nagaji's INT also ranges from 11 to 6, and they too are functional members of society.

You and the game world have different ideas of what an 8 means, so unless you're willing to recalibrate how you think about ability scores, I guess you'll just need to get used to friction.

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Mark Stratton wrote:

I am asking this question in all sincerity, so if my post comes across as snarky or whatever, I really do apologize up front.

Aasimar and Tiefling have been allowed to be played without a boon for how long? Someone told me it has been since Season 3. But, let's just say it's been two years.

If people wanted to make characters of those races, they certainly have had plenty of time, haven't they? Why is it a problem for them now?

And really, I'm just trying to understand that because I don't.

They became legal without a boon at the start of season 4 (GenCon 2012), so it's been two years.

Personally, I've been an active PFS player most of that time, and I don't have a single aasimar or tiefling character. I make a lot of characters, and I've had ideas for possible PCs in those races, but I never had a sense of urgency to create them right away. I just bought Blood of Fiends a week or two ago, to start making tiefling PCs. So now I'll make the one tiefling I really want to do, and that will be it. I could probably get a second PC of these races using my GM credits if I wanted, but I just don't care that much.

Really, I don't think anyone's complaining much about this. I think it'll have a bigger impact on new players than anyone else, since some of them might be joining just in time to miss the cutoff and feel gypped that they didn't have the chance to make those PCs.

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Lamontius wrote:

because not everyone has been playing for those two years or longer

Sure, that make sense. But, wouldn't the same argument hold true for boon-only races, like goblins? I mean, if one wasn't playing PFS at the time the boon was available, it's too late for them, right?

I guess the fact that some people weren't playing the past two years is a non-issue for me, though I'll grant it might be for others.

But the campaign leadership doesn't go back and say, "well, we had this boon at the time, but since people weren't playing at the time, we'll keep handing out those boons."

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If you haven't been playing long enough to have had the opportunity to make an Aasimar or Tiefling, then why is the removal of them as always available options such a pain point? Surely you would have made one already if you were interested in them, and if you just started playing PFS, the change really doesn't effect you, as there will still be 11 different races for you to explore. Even if it is a big deal, simply play 1 game in the next 30 days to "lock in" an Aasimar or Tiefling.

I find it both unfortunate and unlucky if you can't find the few hours needed to play a single scenario before GenCon. If I had Aasimar or Tiefling boons to ship out to folks that are in that boat I'd gladly do so.

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What do boon-only races have to do with people feeling upset that they missed their chance at non-boon options?

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Lamontius wrote:
Norowareta Nagagorjo wrote:
Rasmarr wrote:
"Rasmarr is excited about fellow Nagaji joining Pathfinders. It might mean his people are finally throwing off bonds of slavery. They should join Rasmarr in Liberty's Edge to show other Nagaji that one who serves a master, even one as great as the Naga, is still a slave."

"I agree that liberty and freedom are noble causssesss, worthy of my sssword. Though I've jussst returned to Absssalom after my firssst visssit to Andoran sssincsse pledging my sssword to their caussse, and I wasss quite disssappointed to find corruption in their democratic government.

But to be able to return home to Nagajor, to live a sssimple life ssserving the Naga, will alwaysss be my greatessst wish."

If you play your character with that voice at the table, eventually the other players are going to toss you out for the 4,923,845,853 times you unintentionally spit on them during the session

"Thisss hasss never been a problem for me. My tongue may be forked, but I don't ssspit."

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well, it'll mean less tables filled with planetouched, which is good. But it looks like I'll still need to scrounge around looking for a catfolk boon.

Good thing Cindy has still has a lot of life left.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
What do boon-only races have to do with people feeling upset that they missed their chance at non-boon options?

I have read complaints from people that they couldn't attend Gen Con one year and so missed out on the boons to play Goblins, I think it was. And that argument is parallel to "well, I wasn't playing at the time this thing happened to allow this race."

That's the point I was making - the arguments are similar on that point. I wasn't trying to draw a larger correlation between them.

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Raymond Lambert wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:
Yes, play The Confirmation 10 more times in the next month.
Mr. Baird, you should petition for the chance to run your scenario as often as you like at Gencon, as the last official chances to play open access Aasimar and tieflings.

I am signed up to run it several times. Come find me!

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
What do boon-only races have to do with people feeling upset that they missed their chance at non-boon options?

It's a good thing they still have a month to play a 2 hour game of We Be Goblins to get that 1 xp for their character.

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Raymond Lambert wrote:

I have one problem with this, otherwise, I like what I read.

Many people have already invested in expensive travel and hotel costs for Gencon. They may have had the intention of beginning a new Aasimar and/or tiefling at the con. Not everyone can game every month. Even if we can play between now and then, it might be a high level game and having to use a pregen to apply credit to a brand new PC instead of a real character we designed ourself is not a best solution. The month notice is much nicer than only a week or weekend. I still think the whole gencon convention weekend should be open to both of the races leaving, a fair well send off.

Carve out four hours and sign up for the PFS Online Collective and play one of the "three times a day, every day" runs of the Confirmation that will no doubt start soon.

Or if you're very bold, GM a game.

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Walter Sheppard wrote:

If you haven't been playing long enough to have had the opportunity to make an Aasimar or Tiefling, then why is the removal of them as always available options such a pain point? Surely you would have made one already if you were interested in them, and if you just started playing PFS, the change really doesn't effect you, as there will still be 11 different races for you to explore. Even if it is a big deal, simply play 1 game in the next 30 days to "lock in" an Aasimar or Tiefling.

I find it both unfortunate and unlucky if you can't find the few hours needed to play a single scenario before GenCon. If I had Aasimar or Tiefling boons to ship out to folks that are in that boat I'd gladly do so.

But Walter... The sky is falling! THE FREAKING SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!

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I'm super excited about the new races. But I think I'm even a bit more excited that there's another year of elemental race boons! I've been agonizing over whether or not to go ahead with the concepts I had for each of them, or combine into a sylph. Now I can do both!

Now to figure out what to do with a kitsune and nagaji that aren't horrible, but there won't be a million of. Hmm...

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Walter Sheppard wrote:

If you haven't been playing long enough to have had the opportunity to make an Aasimar or Tiefling, then why is the removal of them as always available options such a pain point? Surely you would have made one already if you were interested in them, and if you just started playing PFS, the change really doesn't effect you, as there will still be 11 different races for you to explore. Even if it is a big deal, simply play 1 game in the next 30 days to "lock in" an Aasimar or Tiefling.

I find it both unfortunate and unlucky if you can't find the few hours needed to play a single scenario before GenCon. If I had Aasimar or Tiefling boons to ship out to folks that are in that boat I'd gladly do so.

Oh, and if someone really needs the play credit they can undoubtedly find a online session on the PFSoC


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Reynard de' Bonaire wrote:

May as well start this now...:)

"...like an angel in disguise."

Hey, that's what became of all the Aasimar!

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Kyle Baird wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
What do boon-only races have to do with people feeling upset that they missed their chance at non-boon options?
It's a good thing they still have a month to play a 2 hour game of We Be Goblins to get that 1 xp for their character.

Yes, we were speaking of the time after that. Or at least I was. Try to keep up, Baird. :P

Personally, I'm using First Steps because We Be Goblins only grants 1 PP. ;)

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Mark Stratton wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
What do boon-only races have to do with people feeling upset that they missed their chance at non-boon options?

I have read complaints from people that they couldn't attend Gen Con one year and so missed out on the boons to play Goblins, I think it was. And that argument is parallel to "well, I wasn't playing at the time this thing happened to allow this race."

That's the point I was making - the arguments are similar on that point. I wasn't trying to draw a larger correlation between them.

To me, at least, there's a difference between "You could've made one if you'd started playing a month ago" and "You could've made one if you'd started playing a month ago and gone to a specific convention and won a competition that only a small handful of people won."

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37 people, as I heard it. So a very small handful. (Remember that competition spots were limited as well.)

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Kyle Baird wrote:
Raymond Lambert wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:
Yes, play The Confirmation 10 more times in the next month.
Mr. Baird, you should petition for the chance to run your scenario as often as you like at Gencon, as the last official chances to play open access Aasimar and tieflings.
I am signed up to run it several times. Come find me!

Oh Hi, Admiral Akbar! What are you doing here???

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Dan Houser wrote:
SCPRedMage wrote:
Dan Houser wrote:
If this announcement had involved - Hey, as GM, you can have more leeway to have accurate interactions with these lovely 8 CHA players, I.E. they go into a town without a bag on their head, and the townsfolk are ready with pitchforks and torches -- or it's just basically the same old/ same old.
Do you also make the halfling with 8 Strength carry all the gear, too?
Well no, of course I wouldn't. But there ARE cases in modules where having an 8 Strength WILL definitely affect a situation. There are very few cases where an 8 Charisma affect anything. There is no risk/reward for taking an 8 Charisma but there TOTALLY is by taking an 8 in any of the combat related stats.

I'm thinking you haven't played the scenario with an affliction that does Charisma damage. Or run into the trap that does temporary 7 INT/7 WIS/7 CHA damage -- that one can instantly incapacitate extremely min-maxed characters.

There aren't a *lot* of those situations, but they do come up.


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Also, for the over-looked quests:

I'm really looking forward to these new quests, set in the River Kingdoms. That region is quite lovely and under-explored. This is, especially for smaller stores or stores burning through content, quite a boon!

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I'm trying to decide how pissed off new people should be that they never got the chance to play with a summoner or vivisectionist before they got banned.

Or how pissed off a new player should be that they didn't get the chance to play the playtest version of the warpriest before the ACG comes out this August and (psuedo)nerfs the class.

Or how pissed off a new player should be that they didn't get to play during the Zero Year when clerics channeling positive energy both healed the living and damaged undead AT THE SAME TIME (so broken).

Oh...right...They shouldn't be pissed off. It's a game, right?

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Scribbling Rambler wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:
Raymond Lambert wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:
Yes, play The Confirmation 10 more times in the next month.
Mr. Baird, you should petition for the chance to run your scenario as often as you like at Gencon, as the last official chances to play open access Aasimar and tieflings.
I am signed up to run it several times. Come find me!
Oh Hi, Admiral Akbar! What are you doing here???

I am making no promises that freshly made Aasimar and Tieflings who show up at my tables during Gen Con will survive to see 1 xp. This is clearly not a tarp.

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Drogon wrote:

I'm trying to decide how pissed off new people should be that they never got the chance to play with a summoner or vivesectionist before they got banned.

Or how pissed off a new player should be that they didn't get the chance to play the playtest version of the warpriest before the ACG comes out this August and (psuedo)nerfs the class.

Or how pissed off a new player should be that they didn't get to play during the Zero Year when clerics channeling positive energy both healed the living and damaged undead AT THE SAME TIME (so broken).

Oh...right...They shouldn't be pissed off. It's a game, right?

Again, there's a difference between "No one gets to play these now" and "I can play this now because I started a little bit earlier than you, but you can't."

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I just don't agree with that, I guess. To each their own.

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Drogon wrote:

I'm trying to decide how pissed off new people should be that they never got the chance to play with a summoner or vivesectionist before they got banned.

Or how pissed off a new player should be that they didn't get the chance to play the playtest version of the warpriest before the ACG comes out this August and (psuedo)nerfs the class.

Or how pissed off a new player should be that they didn't get to play during the Zero Year when clerics channeling positive energy both healed the living and damaged undead AT THE SAME TIME (so broken).

Oh...right...They shouldn't be pissed off. It's a game, right?

Of course, those options went away for everybody. With the Aasimars and Tieflings, a new player could easily be playing alongside a really cool character only to be told THAT other guy gets to play it, but the new guy didn't start soon enough.

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And that's why it's cool. Just like that's why Kitsune have been cool up 'til now. And is why when aasimar/tiefling boons become available they will be cool again.

It's still a game.

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shows up with a stack of 15 lvl 1 aasimars and a case of red bull
the odds are in my favor, baird

one will slip through your defenses

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Drogon wrote:

I'm trying to decide how pissed off new people should be that they never got the chance to play with a summoner or vivisectionist before they got banned.

Or how pissed off a new player should be that they didn't get the chance to play the playtest version of the warpriest before the ACG comes out this August and (psuedo)nerfs the class.

Or how pissed off a new player should be that they didn't get to play during the Zero Year when clerics channeling positive energy both healed the living and damaged undead AT THE SAME TIME (so broken).

Oh...right...They shouldn't be pissed off. It's a game, right?

VERY ANGRY!

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Lamontius wrote:

shows up with a stack of 15 lvl 1 aasimars and a case of red bull

the odds are in my favor, baird

one will slip through your defenses

I do enjoy tears of the hopeful..

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I'm mostly positive on this change, but it does mean that I have to play the aasimar shaman I was planning on waiting for the final version of the class to start a bit early...

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Drogon wrote:
Oh...right...They shouldn't be pissed off. It's a game, right?

Like I shouldn't be upset that I never got to attend a Beatles/Elvis/Doors/Queen concert? It's just music, right?

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Lamontius wrote:

shows up with a stack of 15 lvl 1 aasimars and a case of red bull

the odds are in my favor, baird

one will slip through your defenses

this is relevant

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Drogon wrote:
Oh...right...They shouldn't be pissed off. It's a game, right?
Like I shouldn't be pissed off that I never got to attend a Beatles/Elvis/Doors/Queen concert? It's just music, right?

correct.

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One could, theoretically, create an aasimar or tiefling now, get to 1, 2, or 3 xp and after August 14th, rebuild for free into an ACG class without changing the race. Correct?

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Lamontius wrote:

shows up with a stack of 15 lvl 1 aasimars and a case of red bull

the odds are in my favor, baird

one will slip through your defenses

Hmm... I'm thinking level 1 tiefling fighter with maxed out constitution, Toughness, and Armor of the Pit.

Rebuild after you get the 1 xp.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Drogon wrote:
Oh...right...They shouldn't be pissed off. It's a game, right?
Like I shouldn't be upset that I never got to attend a Beatles/Elvis/Doors/Queen concert? It's just music, right?

I never realized they ever toured together. That sounds epic.

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Kyle Baird wrote:
One could, theoretically, create an aasimar or tiefling now, get to 1, 2, or 3 xp and after August 14th, rebuild for free into an ACG class without changing the race. Correct?
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Kyle Baird wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
What do boon-only races have to do with people feeling upset that they missed their chance at non-boon options?
It's a good thing they still have a month to play a 2 hour game of We Be Goblins to get that 1 xp for their character.

Yes, we were speaking of the time after that. Or at least I was. Try to keep up, Baird. :P

Personally, I'm using First Steps because We Be Goblins only grants 1 PP. ;)

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I like the changes

Cycling through exotic races is a good idea. Now that for the first time some races get retired please announce the retirement of the next batch a little bit earlier - as I assume this will now happen on a yearly basis.

Small quests are great. I try to build up some gaming at a shop and 4 hours can be difficult to lure in new players. It also is easier to have a new GM do a shorter quest first.

New races for the old ones is a fair deal in my view.

There always will be an issue if people feel something is 'taken away'. Need to check with my son who was working on a aasimar oracle.

And I think this is a good compromise to listening to players as well as GMs.

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Dylos wrote:
Lamontius wrote:

shows up with a stack of 15 lvl 1 aasimars and a case of red bull

the odds are in my favor, baird

one will slip through your defenses

this is relevant

HIDE BEHIND THE MOUND OF DEAD TIEFLINGS

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Is anyone really upset about the removal of these races? I know I'm surprised Paizo did this, because I'd expect some players will be upset, but the response on this thread has been far more positive than negative. I can't recall a single post from someone who was genuinely upset by it.

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Fromper wrote:

Is anyone really upset about the removal of these races? I know I'm surprised Paizo did this, because I'd expect some players will be upset, but the response on this thread has been far more positive than negative. I can't recall a single post from someone who was genuinely upset by it.

It was literally the second post in this thread.

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RainyDayNinja wrote:
Fromper wrote:

Is anyone really upset about the removal of these races? I know I'm surprised Paizo did this, because I'd expect some players will be upset, but the response on this thread has been far more positive than negative. I can't recall a single post from someone who was genuinely upset by it.

It was literally the second post in this thread.

I think he meant seriously upset, rather than just upset in general. In which case I don't think anyone who's actually posted has been really seriously upset.

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Jeff Merola wrote:
RainyDayNinja wrote:
Fromper wrote:

Is anyone really upset about the removal of these races? I know I'm surprised Paizo did this, because I'd expect some players will be upset, but the response on this thread has been far more positive than negative. I can't recall a single post from someone who was genuinely upset by it.

It was literally the second post in this thread.
I think he meant seriously upset, rather than just upset in general. In which case I don't think anyone who's actually posted has been really seriously upset.

Yeah, there's a difference between mildly disappointed and actually upset.

Personally, I'm mildly disappointed that I never got around to make an aasimar character while I had the chance. I'm not disappointed by the change, though.

In fact, I think the way the change is being rolled out (adding some races while taking others away) is perfect. As mentioned earlier, the only thing I would have done different is given more than a month warning, for the sake of giving people more time to make a grandfathered PC. But that's a very minor complaint, IMHO.

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