The FAQ That Time Forgot

Thanks, Jason, for making my job easier. Now I can tell my player that it was you who said no to the ring of continuation and not me. :)

Thanks for this. I had ruled that Viscious Stomp worked the way that you verify here in my home game, for the same reasons you have listed, so I'm glad that there's something backing it up besides GM fiat and rational thinking (which, in a perfect world, would work all the time).

Please sir, can we have another? (Whenever possible.)

Finally the double totem silliness can come to an end.

Thanks bunches Jason, these kinds of posts are never unwelcome.

The charm answer didn't really clear things up for me; the example of tilling a field is still within the vague range of something a friend might do for you. How about ordering a man to murder his wife and children?

Thank you Jason!

Nice, thank you.

But in light of this, what does Totem Warrior actually do?

Can you explain what Totem Warrior does?

Do you have to take it to take Totem Rage powers? Are you then restricted to just the totem powers you chose and the ones listed in the archetype? Is there no downside to taking the archetype (such that you aren't restricted in powers)?

The charm answer didn't really clear things up for me; the example of tilling a field is still within the vague range of something a friend might do for you. How about ordering a man to murder his wife and children?

Well, the point here is that it is really up to the GM to decide what is inside and outside a creature's general willingness. Tilling a field might really depend on the creature (I dont think Orcs care much for farming), but killing loved ones is probably always going to require a check, and might not even work (the creature might take its own life instead, its not your puppet after all).

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Can you explain what Totem Warrior does?

Do you have to take it to take Totem Rage powers? Are you then restricted to just the totem powers you chose and the ones listed in the archetype? Is there no downside to taking the archetype (such that you aren't restricted in powers)?

The Totem Warrior was really just put in to give us a place to talk about the powers as a whole. Its not something you are required to take to acquire a group of totem powers.

Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing

Excellent, thanks.

Yay, I'm glad that you're going to errata the ring of continuation. I was dreading the moment that someone in one of my groups tried to abuse that thing.

Glad to see that the Barbarian contingent was correctly ignoring the Totem Warrior archetype.

Does the ring of continuation (Ultimate Equipment, page 168) allow you to cast time stop with a duration of 24 hours?

This item has had some unintended consequences and needs a fix. Change the second sentence of the description to read as follows: "Whenever the wearer of the ring casts a spell with a range of personal and a duration of 10 minutes per level or greater, that spell remains in effect for 24 hours or until the wearer casts another spell with a range of personal (whichever comes first)."

10 minutes per level? Not 1 min per level? How many spells does that leave really...? No shield, no beast shape... a quick look using d20pfsrd only shows the following personal, 10min/lvl or hour/lvl spells:

I might be missing some... can anyone add anything else?

Some of these aren't terrible spells, but the item is suddenly a lot less useful.

Also the wording about the spell replacement probably needs changing too, something like:
"that spell remains in effect for 24 hours or until the wearer casts another spell with a range of personal and a duration of 10 minutes per level or greater(whichever comes first)"
Otherwise, casting another short personal spell would end your 24 hour spell, despite the fact that short spells can't be extended anymore, unless that's intentional... in which case... supernerf?!

EDIT: added touch injection, Veil Of Heaven.

Onepluss999, I thought that too originally.

But after checking out d20pfsrd's spells DB, I was able to find quite a few spells that work with it.

And after checking again, here is the full list of spells the ring works with. Well, of the ones the DB has entries for.

Comprehend Languages

Contingency
Disguise Self
False Life
Find the Path
Foresight
Freedom of Movement
Glibness
Longstrider
Meld into Stone
Moment of Prescience
Overland Flight
Read Magic
See Invisibility
Shapechange
Tree Shape
Tree Stride
Zone of Silence
Ancestral Gift
Aura of Greater Courage
Bloodhound
Delayed Consumption
Follow Aura
Guiding Star
Honeyed Tongue
Planar Adaptation
Resurgent Transformation
Shadow Projection
Spite
Threefold Aspect
Tireless Pursuit
Veil of Positive Energy
Perceive Cues
Age Resistance, Lesser
Age Resistance, Greater
Age Resistance
Aura of Doom
Echolocation
False Life, Greater
Ghostly Disguise
Holy Shield
Play Instrument
Skinsend
Cultural Adaptation
Seducer's Eyes

Kinda glad it doesn't work with Beast Shape, tbh.

This is true... I'm doing a search of my own and I'm having trouble finding spells that can be cast on the ring now. There are still a few good options like Shapechange and Disguise Self, but still. Maybe a 1 min/lvl duration would be more reasonable? Or is there some specific spell with that duration that you're worried about?

Edit: ninjaed and disproven ;)

Yeah that's a better list than I thought, not sure why all those are getting filtered out on mine.

When you cast a spell that allows you to make a ranged touch attack, such as scorching ray, and an enemy is within reach, do you provoke two attacks of opportunity?

Yes, you provoke two attacks of opportunity, one for casting the spell and one for making a ranged attack, since these are two separate events. As a note, since all of the rays are fired simultaneously (in the case of scorching ray), you would only provoke one attack of opportunity for making the ranged attack, even if you fired more than one ray.

The Greater Trip feat allows you to take an attack of opportunity against a foe that you trip. The Viscious Stomp feat allows you to take an attack of opportunity against a foe that falls prone adjacent to you. If you have both these feats and trip a foe, do you get to make two attacks of opportunity (assuming that you can)?

Yes, the two triggering acts are similar here but they are different. One occurs when you trip a foe. The other occurs when a foe falls prone. It requires a large number of feats to accomplish, but you can really pile on the attacks with this combination.

Huzzah! This had an unbelievable amount of noise generated over it. Glad to see it finally sorted.

You have a lot of spells on there that already last 24 hours (Age resist, threefold aspect, etc), so I wouldn't count those.

I'm not sure what was going on w/ my filters before, but I think this is the list.

Comprehend Languages

Disguise Self
Find the Path
Foresight
Freedom of Movement
Glibness
Meld into Stone
Read Magic
See Invisibility
Shapechange
Ancestral Gift
Aura of Greater Courage
Follow Aura
Honeyed Tongue
Veil of Positive Energy
Perceive Cues
Aura of Doom
Echolocation
Ghostly Disguise
Holy Shield
Play Instrument
Cultural Adaptation
Seducer's Eyes
Aram Zey's Trap Ward
Absorb Toxicity
Resinous Skin
Blend
Whispering Lore
Veil Of Heaven
Cloud Shape
Commune With Birds

I did include everything higher than 10 minutes, even if it doesn't necessarily make sense. Like 1 day / lvl spells.

You need to take the whole table and do some pruning because apparently there are like 10 formulations of 10 min/level

The charisma check would presumably have circumstance modifiers. I think the issue was that getting them to till a field and kill a loved one should not be the same check.

On the plus site, you don't have to worry as much about accidentally deactivating the ring by casting a random spell with a range of personal now that the list is a bit more limited.

Happy to see the FAQ back on the attack.

The charm answer didn't really clear things up for me; the example of tilling a field is still within the vague range of something a friend might do for you. How about ordering a man to murder his wife and children?

I'd file this under "obviously harmful orders."

So... I can still have a 24 hour glibness.... excelent...

I'm happy to see the rest of the FAQ, though disappointed in the Totem Warrior archetype. I feel like listing it is a bit misleading and it should be removed altogether.

The charisma check would presumably have circumstance modifiers. I think the issue was that getting them to till a field and kill a loved one should not be the same check.

The wonderful thing about circumstance bonuses is that the GM is encouraged to hand them out like candy. Because they are usually based on circumstances outside of the rules.

Thanks Jason!

ciretose wrote:

The charisma check would presumably have circumstance modifiers. I think the issue was that getting them to till a field and kill a loved one should not be the same check.

The wonderful thing about circumstance bonuses is that the GM is encouraged to hand them out like candy. Because they are usually based on circumstances outside of the rules.

I know I do. And penalties too.

Yes, you provoke two attacks of opportunity, one for casting the spell and one for making a ranged attack, since these are two separate events. As a note, since all of the rays are fired simultaneously (in the case of scorching ray), you would only provoke one attack of opportunity for making the ranged attack, even if you fired more than one ray.

Does this mean if an archer full attacks with the bow, he can draw an AoO from each time he fires an arrow? What about manyshot?

Faqman wrote:

Yes, you provoke two attacks of opportunity, one for casting the spell and one for making a ranged attack, since these are two separate events. As a note, since all of the rays are fired simultaneously (in the case of scorching ray), you would only provoke one attack of opportunity for making the ranged attack, even if you fired more than one ray.

Does this mean if an archer full attacks with the bow, he can draw an AoO from each time he fires an arrow? What about manyshot?

I don't think full attacking with a biow would provoke more than once as it would be like moving past more than one threatened square (provokes once).

Archers have to swallow an AoO each time they fire an arrow, yea.

Manyshot would presumably fall under the same logic as the "simultaneous rays" thing.

It's what makes being an archer in melee a really bad idea.

Ouch. Really? Sucks for them.

keep em coming Jason.

It's what makes this so nice for archers :)

So we now have a new term "event." Not liking the ray AoO wording. Not so much bothered by the tripping one, I can see that, but the double AoO seems harsh and unreasonable to me. Fortunately, not a lot of monsters pick combat reflexes.

If multiple rays are fired, how is that really different from multiple arrows? I understand it mechanically but not practically.

thanks Jason. I'd like to see these blog/FAQ more frequently :)

so about those flurry of Blows?

Love the FAQ answers. Keep 'em coming.

Man, I should've taken that bet on how fast someone would complain about this not being flurry of blows.

Man, I should've taken that bet on how fast someone would complain about this not being flurry of blows.

And it wasn't me. Now, about those flurry of blows . . . LOL

MA

I think one of the big hang ups for Charm Person, is what does 'obviously harmful' mean, or is that a GM question? Does it mean causing harm to anyone, or causing harm to oneself? If it's causing harm to oneself, does that mean emotional harm? Physical harm? Financial harm? Political harm?

That was kind of one of the things that really blew up the Charm Person thread awhile back.

That and Ciretose and I don't agree on most things other than Monks need fix.

:P

So we now have a new term "event." Not liking the ray AoO wording. Not so much bothered by the tripping one, I can see that, but the double AoO seems harsh and unreasonable to me. Fortunately, not a lot of monsters pick combat reflexes.

If multiple rays are fired, how is that really different from multiple arrows? I understand it mechanically but not practically.

Use the term opportunity, if you want. That's all it's describing.

Each of those situations provokes twice. So each counts as two opportunities. Referring to the rule:

If the same opponent provokes two attacks of opportunity from you, you could make two separate attacks of opportunity (since each one represents a different opportunity).

The wording is a little unfortunate with Scorching Ray. It does say the rays are simultaneous, but simultaneity isn't really a limiting factor for AoO, as demonstrated by Greater Trip + Vicious Stomp. It'd be better if it were clear that it's a single ranged attack that happens to target multiple enemies.

d20pfsrd.com has been updated with these FAQs.

It does say the rays are simultaneous, but simultaneity isn't really a limiting factor for AoO, as demonstrated by Greater Trip + Vicious Stomp.

What makes you think those are simultaneous? They're not even the same trigger.

Faqman wrote:

Yes, you provoke two attacks of opportunity, one for casting the spell and one for making a ranged attack, since these are two separate events. As a note, since all of the rays are fired simultaneously (in the case of scorching ray), you would only provoke one attack of opportunity for making the ranged attack, even if you fired more than one ray.

Does this mean if an archer full attacks with the bow, he can draw an AoO from each time he fires an arrow? What about manyshot?

yes, if you have a 16 BAB, and fire 4 arrows (16, 11, 6, 1) then you provoke four attacks of opportunity.

Manyshot allows you to shoot two arrows with one attack, one attack roll, they either both hit or both miss, so only one AoO.

Man, I should've taken that bet on how fast someone would complain about this not being flurry of blows.

it was more of a passive aggressive joke. that complaint, I have stopped lovign monks and now play brawlers and unarmed fighters to have my monster puncher.

Onepluss999, I thought that too originally.

But after checking out d20pfsrd's spells DB, I was able to find quite a few spells that work with it.

And after checking again, here is the full list of spells the ring works with. Well, of the ones the DB has entries for.

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NO LIGHT LANCE

Kinda glad it doesn't work with Beast Shape, tbh.

I'm disappointed by this. I want to hold aloft my Light Lance and bathe a radius of 28,798 miles in pure holy light. When I stand on top of a mountain I want to be a shining beacon of good that half the world can see. I want people being awakened by my burning presence at 3AM in the morning going, "DEAR GOD WHAT IS THAT!? IS THAT THE SUN!?" I want the orc army planning a surprise attack to be totally caught off guard. I want to attract Mothra. I want the poor souls of Lordren to see me and go PRAISE THE SUN!